CakePHP 2.0 upgrade - benefit vs pain scale
Hi guys, I have already started my first project in Cake 1.3, and have managed to set everything up the way I want it, that includes the basics, authentication, unit testing, i18n and a few other things. I had a look at the change logs of Cake 2.0 and all the updates look like good stuff. However I'm not sure if upgrading at this point of time would be so wise as it'd mean upgrading a whole lot of components, behaviors, tests and may end up costing a lot of time in the future, due to lack of compatibility with existing plugins written for 1.3. Hence, I was wondering about your opinion on these : - Are the non-tangible benefits of Cake 2.0 (such as performance and code clean-ness) worth the pain of upgrading ? - How much effort was involved in upgrading all your stuff to 2.0 ? - What's your experience been like so far with the new framework ? Cheers, Shukuboy -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: CakePHP 2.0 upgrade - benefit vs pain scale
I'm also upgrading a 1.3 app but it's proving to be problematic :-S I'd say if you aren't too far along in your project then upgrade, but If you're using custom plugins and behaviors prepare for a bit of hair pulling ;-) On Oct 27, 1:38 pm, Shukuboy shuku...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, I have already started my first project in Cake 1.3, and have managed to set everything up the way I want it, that includes the basics, authentication, unit testing, i18n and a few other things. I had a look at the change logs of Cake 2.0 and all the updates look like good stuff. However I'm not sure if upgrading at this point of time would be so wise as it'd mean upgrading a whole lot of components, behaviors, tests and may end up costing a lot of time in the future, due to lack of compatibility with existing plugins written for 1.3. Hence, I was wondering about your opinion on these : - Are the non-tangible benefits of Cake 2.0 (such as performance and code clean-ness) worth the pain of upgrading ? - How much effort was involved in upgrading all your stuff to 2.0 ? - What's your experience been like so far with the new framework ? Cheers, Shukuboy -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: CakePHP 2.0 upgrade - benefit vs pain scale
It took me 7, 15 hour days to get my app mostly back to normal after the upgrade. Its pretty painful, but the performance upgrade is worth it in my opinion. (1.3 is so slow, its close to unusable for larger applications, so far 2.0 has been a substantial upgrade in performance) -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: CakePHP 2.0 upgrade - benefit vs pain scale
Well in my case, I've written a couple of bits and pieces myself, but haven't used too many plugins yet. Question is if there will be plenty of grief in using custom plugins working in the future ? Performance is definitely a key thing, so I might give this upgrade a try. Plus things like improved Auth and removal of shortcut methods, more use of statics and inherent functions are definitely good things. On Oct 27, 1:14 pm, zuha rich...@razorit.com wrote: It took me 7, 15 hour days to get my app mostly back to normal after the upgrade. Its pretty painful, but the performance upgrade is worth it in my opinion. (1.3 is so slow, its close to unusable for larger applications, so far 2.0 has been a substantial upgrade in performance) -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: CakePHP 2.0 upgrade - benefit vs pain scale
I would love to see some benchmarks on this. I have a pretty traffic heavy site that does just fine on 1.3. And if anything, the speed improvements in 2.0 may be negligible to notice, especially if caching is on. On Oct 27, 9:14 am, zuha rich...@razorit.com wrote: It took me 7, 15 hour days to get my app mostly back to normal after the upgrade. Its pretty painful, but the performance upgrade is worth it in my opinion. (1.3 is so slow, its close to unusable for larger applications, so far 2.0 has been a substantial upgrade in performance) -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: CakePHP 2.0 upgrade - benefit vs pain scale
How many tables are in your database for this site, and do you use ACL? I'd like to see some bench marks too, but don't necessarily think that the biggest improvements would be shown in a straight setup. Instead, I'd like to see benchmarks based on some use cases of core components. -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: CakePHP 2.0 upgrade - benefit vs pain scale
using the current core UpgradeShell would be very painful indeed. I have hundreds of those files as well. Without my custom UpgradeShell I would have never ported it. I also submitted a lot of my improvements. Maybe they will find their way into the core shell. As soon as you have more than 20-40 models/controllers each it gets ugly really fast otherwise. Not counting 5-10 plugins. Anyway. The improvements are huge. First of all speed and performance. At least some small and middle-sized apps are almost 4 times faster (or so it feels). Its not yet totally bugfree and stable. But the core team is fast on fixing the important bugs. Many things are solved cleaner than in 1.3. Many things are more extensible and customizable. After all its probably worth a try. On 27 Okt., 20:48, zuha rich...@razorit.com wrote: How many tables are in your database for this site, and do you use ACL? I'd like to see some bench marks too, but don't necessarily think that the biggest improvements would be shown in a straight setup. Instead, I'd like to see benchmarks based on some use cases of core components. -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: CakePHP 2.0 upgrade - benefit vs pain scale
My experience - I'm in the middle of doing my first upgrade. The application that I'm upgrading is quite mature (started as 1.2, then upgraded to 1.3, now going to 2.0) and has 22 plugins, for a total of 85 controllers, 75 models, and a ton of other stuff (components, behaviors, helpers, view files, etc.). The MySQL database has around 2.5GB of data in 81 tables. I've been at it for about three days. To say it's been painful would be the understatement of the year. :) I like the changes made in 2.0, but, with the amount of time I'm going to have invested in upgrading by the end, I'm wondering if the improvements will be drastic enough to justify the time spent. On Oct 27, 5:38 am, Shukuboy shuku...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, I have already started my first project in Cake 1.3, and have managed to set everything up the way I want it, that includes the basics, authentication, unit testing, i18n and a few other things. I had a look at the change logs of Cake 2.0 and all the updates look like good stuff. However I'm not sure if upgrading at this point of time would be so wise as it'd mean upgrading a whole lot of components, behaviors, tests and may end up costing a lot of time in the future, due to lack of compatibility with existing plugins written for 1.3. Hence, I was wondering about your opinion on these : - Are the non-tangible benefits of Cake 2.0 (such as performance and code clean-ness) worth the pain of upgrading ? - How much effort was involved in upgrading all your stuff to 2.0 ? - What's your experience been like so far with the new framework ? Cheers, Shukuboy -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: CakePHP 2.0 upgrade - benefit vs pain scale
I can vouch that performance under 2.0 certainly seems much, much snappier (unscientific statement). I ran the upgrade script over a pretty meaty existing app and it just plain didn't work afterwards. I was left with a ton of errors I'd not seen before, so had that really uncomfortable wtf feeling. If you know 2.0 backwards you'd be able to go straight to the problem source and fix it. If not, it's like being a first timer again. I stopped the migration and started on the tutorial, just to learn it. The move from 1.3 to 2.0 is definitely worth it for all the reasons stated, but as it stands migrating is something that will take time. It's not like updating a Mac from one version of OS X to another where everything is over and done in a few minutes. It's a project that demands planning, time and knowledge. I wouldn't trust my own upgraded app in a production environment just yet, but I won't start anything new on 1.3. Jeremy Burns Class Outfit http://www.classoutfit.com On 28 Oct 2011, at 01:25, Jamie wrote: My experience - I'm in the middle of doing my first upgrade. The application that I'm upgrading is quite mature (started as 1.2, then upgraded to 1.3, now going to 2.0) and has 22 plugins, for a total of 85 controllers, 75 models, and a ton of other stuff (components, behaviors, helpers, view files, etc.). The MySQL database has around 2.5GB of data in 81 tables. I've been at it for about three days. To say it's been painful would be the understatement of the year. :) I like the changes made in 2.0, but, with the amount of time I'm going to have invested in upgrading by the end, I'm wondering if the improvements will be drastic enough to justify the time spent. On Oct 27, 5:38 am, Shukuboy shuku...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, I have already started my first project in Cake 1.3, and have managed to set everything up the way I want it, that includes the basics, authentication, unit testing, i18n and a few other things. I had a look at the change logs of Cake 2.0 and all the updates look like good stuff. However I'm not sure if upgrading at this point of time would be so wise as it'd mean upgrading a whole lot of components, behaviors, tests and may end up costing a lot of time in the future, due to lack of compatibility with existing plugins written for 1.3. Hence, I was wondering about your opinion on these : - Are the non-tangible benefits of Cake 2.0 (such as performance and code clean-ness) worth the pain of upgrading ? - How much effort was involved in upgrading all your stuff to 2.0 ? - What's your experience been like so far with the new framework ? Cheers, Shukuboy -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
