Re: Good cakephp developer

2008-04-20 Thread jonknee

> what is the general hourly charge of a cakephp developer. Can some one
> recomend a good way to hire one without being ripped off or getting
> poor quality work?

It depends on the developer. An experienced developer can get a
project done more quickly (while at the same time with a higher
quality) and should be rewarded as such. I usually bill out at around
$75-100/hr for contracting gigs. I don't factor something like CakePHP
in, I just use the tools that fit the job. If I have a little more
leeway I tend to charge less than if I am just following orders since
I get to do things my way and it's more enjoyable.
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Re: Good cakephp developer

2008-04-20 Thread simonb


I would like to add to this. I won't mention names but sometimes you
may be asked to do some work and not get the full story about what the
requirements are.

It would be advisable to get some form of contract containing.
1. The specifics of the task itself. what do they want you to do.
2. What resources you require eg ftp access, svn access
3. When the job starts and finishes.

I wasted a good 5 hours this week due to someone not passing on the
points mentioned above to me. The Model is the most important part of
the design process and if you do not have an idea of the real world
objects you are modelling then you cannot proceed.


> needed, there are very few qualified people to fill those roles, so they
> tend to be compensated at least decently.
>
> Now, personally, I work on a contract basis so I prefer to get paid by
> the project rather than by the hour. Overall, I don't make as much money
> as I could if I did things hourly, but most people would spend 2-3 times
> more on hourly work if things went that way. I work my freelance stuff
> part-time, outside of my normal day job, so this is something I am fine
> with doing anyhow.
>
> The best way I believe to avoid getting ripped off (from my development
> perspective):
> 1) Check your developer's work in the CakePHP domain. Have they
> contributed to the community? Will they show you physical code? Do they
> have working references (people) you can talk to about their work?
> 2) Make sure your developer isn't just outsourcing your work. If this is
> okay with you, that's fine, but if you are not expecting it, this can be
> a headache. This will contribute to delays in development as
> communication through the third party you hired will be slow.
> 3) If the developer you are hiring will not sign a physical contract,
> look elsewhere. This is something you absolutely need. This protects you
> AND it protects the developer. Any freelancer who shirks signed
> contracts is trouble or looking for it. I have had several jobs where
> arrangements were "verbal" contracts and either scope creep was so
> terrible that nothing got done or I simply did work I never got paid for.
>
> As you might be able to tell from the notes above, I am as much a
> believer in good employers as being a good employee.
>
> Good luck,
> Fredfoongoos wrote:
> > what is the general hourly charge of a cakephp developer. Can some one
> > recomend a good way to hire one without being ripped off or getting
> > poor quality work?

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Re: Good cakephp developer

2008-04-20 Thread Fred Hirsch

In my market (Toronto), Cake development is a bit of a niche market. It 
is fairly difficult to find specific Cake work. If you are lucky as a 
freelancer, you might be able to join a project early enough to suggest 
Cake in the design phase. However, most projects have those things 
worked out before they get to the hiring stage. Rails seems to be the 
buzzword framework of choice, so there is more demand for those 
developers. However, from what I understand, when a Cake developer is 
needed, there are very few qualified people to fill those roles, so they 
tend to be compensated at least decently.

Now, personally, I work on a contract basis so I prefer to get paid by 
the project rather than by the hour. Overall, I don't make as much money 
as I could if I did things hourly, but most people would spend 2-3 times 
more on hourly work if things went that way. I work my freelance stuff 
part-time, outside of my normal day job, so this is something I am fine 
with doing anyhow.

The best way I believe to avoid getting ripped off (from my development 
perspective):
1) Check your developer's work in the CakePHP domain. Have they 
contributed to the community? Will they show you physical code? Do they 
have working references (people) you can talk to about their work?
2) Make sure your developer isn't just outsourcing your work. If this is 
okay with you, that's fine, but if you are not expecting it, this can be 
a headache. This will contribute to delays in development as 
communication through the third party you hired will be slow.
3) If the developer you are hiring will not sign a physical contract, 
look elsewhere. This is something you absolutely need. This protects you 
AND it protects the developer. Any freelancer who shirks signed 
contracts is trouble or looking for it. I have had several jobs where 
arrangements were "verbal" contracts and either scope creep was so 
terrible that nothing got done or I simply did work I never got paid for.

As you might be able to tell from the notes above, I am as much a 
believer in good employers as being a good employee.

Good luck,
Fred

foongoos wrote:
> what is the general hourly charge of a cakephp developer. Can some one
> recomend a good way to hire one without being ripped off or getting
> poor quality work?
>
> >
>
>   


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Good cakephp developer

2008-04-20 Thread foongoos

what is the general hourly charge of a cakephp developer. Can some one
recomend a good way to hire one without being ripped off or getting
poor quality work?

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