Re: To model or not to model

2008-09-25 Thread Grzegorz Pawlik

 Still thinks that executing queries is needed?
Yes. Sometimes You have uncommon database design, and You can't
EFFECTIVELY receive data just by using standard, even magic, model
functions. In that case you should create method in model that
executes your custom query with inner, outer, left joins, subqueries
and other fancy stuff :)
But I agree that one should check if it's possible to do this with
standard model, and then if isn't - write some queries.
In my team I has some people that likes sql so much, that $this-Model-
query was substitute even for findAll (sic!). I spent quite a long
time explaining why it's not good.


On Sep 24, 1:32 pm, Rafael Bandeira aka rafaelbandeira3
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 First of all people: what Rule? It's not made of rules, it's a pattern
 to follow - but follow as you want.
 Second, no, it doesn't break the Rule it only makes your code uglier
 and hard to read - see above - but the thing is,
 why to use a hand made query when you can easily/prettier/readablier
 use Model built-in methods to accomplish the same?

 About performing custom find methods, with default/mandatory/pre-
 defined params you should read:

   http://rafaelbandeira3.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/the-new-way-to-define...
   http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2008/09/23/an-alternative-way-to-define-cus...

 About the rules:
 Even being annoying, executing hand made queries on the controller
 still leaves all the data transaction and structuration on the Model
 side,
 and it lets the pattern intended to be followed intact, but it's not
 the best practice. If even following the links presented - and links
 cited inside them, you
 still not find the solution for a more complex and featured query, try
 to implement it inside a model method to make your controller cleaner:

 $this-Model-find(where id=xyz)
 becomes
 $this-Model-find('axis', array('id' = 'xyz')); // following those
 links
 or
 $this-Model-getByAxis($axis);

 But in the specific case you presented, you could easily use Model
 methods overload by calling $this-Model-findById($id), $this-Model-

 findByFieldName($fieldValue);

 Still thinks that executing queries is needed?

 rafaelbandeira3http://rafaelbandeira3.wordpress.com

  but i heared if you direct query in controller will violate the MVC
  rule

  i.e if you use $this-Model-query(select * from models);

  the above query will violate the MVC rule.

  i heared the queries shouldnotbe written in controller it should be
  inmodeli.e in urmodel.php

  even i am alsonotabsolute on this part

  On Sep 23, 2:33 pm, forrestgump [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Hey guys,
    Considering the fact that CakePhp follows the MVC architecture, id
   like to know...y we dont make function calls such as $this-find(where 
   id=xyz) from function blocks typed out in Models rather

   than controllersim sure there is a logical reason to it...but
   someone asked me this question and i couldnotgive her a good enuf
   answerdoes making function calls to queries like find(), save()
   work better in models or controllers?.and is it good practice to
   pass conditions in your function call while using it in a controller?
   eg find(where id=1) ;

   Does using $this-find() in controller violate the MVC architecture in
   any manner?

   Can someone please clarify these question for us?

   Thanks in advance,
   forrestgump
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Re: To model or not to model

2008-09-25 Thread Rafael Bandeira aka rafaelbandeira3

  Still thinks that executing queries is needed?

 Yes. Sometimes You have uncommon database design, and You can't
 EFFECTIVELY receive data just by using standard, even magic, model

Definetly correct, my sentence wasn't much happy. I meant for the
cases he presented.
Anyway, keep in mind that you should - as a good design principle -
encapsulate hand made sql queries in Model methods,
so you'll avoid having data fetching logic in your Controller. And
take a good look at the built-in query structure, it covers lots of
usages
I got pretty complex queries for data reporting and they're all using
cake's query structure.

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Re: To model or not to model

2008-09-24 Thread forrestgump

Thanks for the info guys...really appreciate it
@RichardAtHome.whoops i forgot to mention the model
inbetweentypo...thnx for pointing tht out

Forrestgump

On Sep 23, 2:54 pm, techiguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 hi forrestgump,

 using $this-find() in controller doesn't voilate the MVC architecture
 even if you use $this-find('all')

 but i heared if you direct query in controller will violate the MVC
 rule

 i.e if you use $this-Model-query(select * from models);

 the above query will violate the MVC rule.

 i heared the queries should not be written in controller it should be
 in model i.e in ur model.php

 even i am also not absolute on this part

 On Sep 23, 2:33 pm, forrestgump [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hey guys,
   Considering the fact that CakePhp follows the MVC architecture, id
  like to know...y we dont make function calls such as $this-find(where 
  id=xyz) from function blocks typed out in Models rather

  than controllersim sure there is a logical reason to it...but
  someone asked me this question and i could not give her a good enuf
  answerdoes making function calls to queries like find(), save()
  work better in models or controllers?.and is it good practice to
  pass conditions in your function call while using it in a controller?
  eg find(where id=1) ;

  Does using $this-find() in controller violate the MVC architecture in
  any manner?

  Can someone please clarify these question for us?

  Thanks in advance,
  forrestgump
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Re: To model or not to model

2008-09-24 Thread Rafael Bandeira aka rafaelbandeira3

First of all people: what Rule? It's not made of rules, it's a pattern
to follow - but follow as you want.
Second, no, it doesn't break the Rule it only makes your code uglier
and hard to read - see above - but the thing is,
why to use a hand made query when you can easily/prettier/readablier
use Model built-in methods to accomplish the same?

About performing custom find methods, with default/mandatory/pre-
defined params you should read:

  
 http://rafaelbandeira3.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/the-new-way-to-define-find-methods/
  
 http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2008/09/23/an-alternative-way-to-define-custom-find-types/

About the rules:
Even being annoying, executing hand made queries on the controller
still leaves all the data transaction and structuration on the Model
side,
and it lets the pattern intended to be followed intact, but it's not
the best practice. If even following the links presented - and links
cited inside them, you
still not find the solution for a more complex and featured query, try
to implement it inside a model method to make your controller cleaner:

$this-Model-find(where id=xyz)
becomes
$this-Model-find('axis', array('id' = 'xyz')); // following those
links
or
$this-Model-getByAxis($axis);

But in the specific case you presented, you could easily use Model
methods overload by calling $this-Model-findById($id), $this-Model-
findByFieldName($fieldValue);

Still thinks that executing queries is needed?

rafaelbandeira3
http://rafaelbandeira3.wordpress.com

 but i heared if you direct query in controller will violate the MVC
 rule

 i.e if you use $this-Model-query(select * from models);

 the above query will violate the MVC rule.

 i heared the queries shouldnotbe written in controller it should be
 inmodeli.e in urmodel.php

 even i am alsonotabsolute on this part

 On Sep 23, 2:33 pm, forrestgump [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hey guys,
   Considering the fact that CakePhp follows the MVC architecture, id
  like to know...y we dont make function calls such as $this-find(where 
  id=xyz) from function blocks typed out in Models rather

  than controllersim sure there is a logical reason to it...but
  someone asked me this question and i couldnotgive her a good enuf
  answerdoes making function calls to queries like find(), save()
  work better in models or controllers?.and is it good practice to
  pass conditions in your function call while using it in a controller?
  eg find(where id=1) ;

  Does using $this-find() in controller violate the MVC architecture in
  any manner?

  Can someone please clarify these question for us?

  Thanks in advance,
  forrestgump
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Re: To model or not to model

2008-09-24 Thread forrestgump

I dont think i asked anything bout using queries..i just wanted to
know wht would be the best practice..but thnx for the info...will
avoid $this-Model-query()

On Sep 24, 4:32 pm, Rafael Bandeira aka rafaelbandeira3
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 First of all people: what Rule? It's not made of rules, it's a pattern
 to follow - but follow as you want.
 Second, no, it doesn't break the Rule it only makes your code uglier
 and hard to read - see above - but the thing is,
 why to use a hand made query when you can easily/prettier/readablier
 use Model built-in methods to accomplish the same?

 About performing custom find methods, with default/mandatory/pre-
 defined params you should read:

   http://rafaelbandeira3.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/the-new-way-to-define...
   http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2008/09/23/an-alternative-way-to-define-cus...

 About the rules:
 Even being annoying, executing hand made queries on the controller
 still leaves all the data transaction and structuration on the Model
 side,
 and it lets the pattern intended to be followed intact, but it's not
 the best practice. If even following the links presented - and links
 cited inside them, you
 still not find the solution for a more complex and featured query, try
 to implement it inside a model method to make your controller cleaner:

 $this-Model-find(where id=xyz)
 becomes
 $this-Model-find('axis', array('id' = 'xyz')); // following those
 links
 or
 $this-Model-getByAxis($axis);

 But in the specific case you presented, you could easily use Model
 methods overload by calling $this-Model-findById($id), $this-Model-

 findByFieldName($fieldValue);

 Still thinks that executing queries is needed?

 rafaelbandeira3http://rafaelbandeira3.wordpress.com

  but i heared if you direct query in controller will violate the MVC
  rule

  i.e if you use $this-Model-query(select * from models);

  the above query will violate the MVC rule.

  i heared the queries shouldnotbe written in controller it should be
  inmodeli.e in urmodel.php

  even i am alsonotabsolute on this part

  On Sep 23, 2:33 pm, forrestgump [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Hey guys,
    Considering the fact that CakePhp follows the MVC architecture, id
   like to know...y we dont make function calls such as $this-find(where 
   id=xyz) from function blocks typed out in Models rather

   than controllersim sure there is a logical reason to it...but
   someone asked me this question and i couldnotgive her a good enuf
   answerdoes making function calls to queries like find(), save()
   work better in models or controllers?.and is it good practice to
   pass conditions in your function call while using it in a controller?
   eg find(where id=1) ;

   Does using $this-find() in controller violate the MVC architecture in
   any manner?

   Can someone please clarify these question for us?

   Thanks in advance,
   forrestgump
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Re: To model or not to model

2008-09-24 Thread forrestgump

Ohk...sry rafael...i did not read the entire thread

On Sep 24, 5:17 pm, forrestgump [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I dont think i asked anything bout using queries..i just wanted to
 know wht would be the best practice..but thnx for the info...will
 avoid $this-Model-query()

 On Sep 24, 4:32 pm, Rafael Bandeira aka rafaelbandeira3

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  First of all people: what Rule? It's not made of rules, it's a pattern
  to follow - but follow as you want.
  Second, no, it doesn't break the Rule it only makes your code uglier
  and hard to read - see above - but the thing is,
  why to use a hand made query when you can easily/prettier/readablier
  use Model built-in methods to accomplish the same?

  About performing custom find methods, with default/mandatory/pre-
  defined params you should read:

    http://rafaelbandeira3.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/the-new-way-to-define...
    http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2008/09/23/an-alternative-way-to-define-cus...

  About the rules:
  Even being annoying, executing hand made queries on the controller
  still leaves all the data transaction and structuration on the Model
  side,
  and it lets the pattern intended to be followed intact, but it's not
  the best practice. If even following the links presented - and links
  cited inside them, you
  still not find the solution for a more complex and featured query, try
  to implement it inside a model method to make your controller cleaner:

  $this-Model-find(where id=xyz)
  becomes
  $this-Model-find('axis', array('id' = 'xyz')); // following those
  links
  or
  $this-Model-getByAxis($axis);

  But in the specific case you presented, you could easily use Model
  methods overload by calling $this-Model-findById($id), $this-Model-

  findByFieldName($fieldValue);

  Still thinks that executing queries is needed?

  rafaelbandeira3http://rafaelbandeira3.wordpress.com

   but i heared if you direct query in controller will violate the MVC
   rule

   i.e if you use $this-Model-query(select * from models);

   the above query will violate the MVC rule.

   i heared the queries shouldnotbe written in controller it should be
   inmodeli.e in urmodel.php

   even i am alsonotabsolute on this part

   On Sep 23, 2:33 pm, forrestgump [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hey guys,
 Considering the fact that CakePhp follows the MVC architecture, id
like to know...y we dont make function calls such as $this-find(where 
id=xyz) from function blocks typed out in Models rather

than controllersim sure there is a logical reason to it...but
someone asked me this question and i couldnotgive her a good enuf
answerdoes making function calls to queries like find(), save()
work better in models or controllers?.and is it good practice to
pass conditions in your function call while using it in a controller?
eg find(where id=1) ;

Does using $this-find() in controller violate the MVC architecture in
any manner?

Can someone please clarify these question for us?

Thanks in advance,
forrestgump
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Re: To model or not to model

2008-09-24 Thread dr. Hannibal Lecter
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Rafael Bandeira aka rafaelbandeira3 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 First of all people: what Rule?


Rule of thumb perhaps? :)

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Re: To model or not to model

2008-09-24 Thread Rafael Bandeira aka rafaelbandeira3


 Rule of thumb perhaps? :)


If you really mean it: Let's say rule of thumb isn't exactly a rule.
Now, if you were being ironic: Yay right, that's the kind of rule that
can be applied to a pattern!
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Re: To model or not to model

2008-09-23 Thread dr. Hannibal Lecter

Well, calling find() in a controller is not a violation, but not the
best practice if overused.

Of course, calling find() from a controller is the fastest way to get
your data, but usually, the find() call has other stuff around it,
stuff that might be common to each call. The idea is to make fat
models, thin controllers, meaning that you put as much as you can in
your models.

Maybe an example is better. Let's say you have a certain criteria for
getting an article from the Article model. You can call this from a
controller each time you want to get an article:

$article = $this-Article-find
(
'first',
array
(
'conditions' = array('Article.slug' = $slug),
'contain' = array('ArticleCategory', 'Rating')
)
);

or you can make it cleaner and easier by declaring a function in your
model, for example getArticle:

function getArticle($slug)
{
$_slug = Sanitize::escape($slug);

return $this-find
(
'first',
array
(
'conditions' = array('Article.slug' = $_slug),
'contain' = array('ArticleCategory', 'Rating')
)
);
}

this makes your controller much thinner and easier to follow:

$article = $this-Article-getSingle($slug);

All you have to remember is that all apps work with some sort of data,
and in Cake, models work with data, not controllers.

I hope that helps a bit. ;)

On Sep 23, 11:33 am, forrestgump [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hey guys,
  Considering the fact that CakePhp follows the MVC architecture, id
 like to know...y we dont make function calls such as $this-find(where 
 id=xyz) from function blocks typed out in Models rather

 than controllersim sure there is a logical reason to it...but
 someone asked me this question and i could not give her a good enuf
 answerdoes making function calls to queries like find(), save()
 work better in models or controllers?.and is it good practice to
 pass conditions in your function call while using it in a controller?
 eg find(where id=1) ;

 Does using $this-find() in controller violate the MVC architecture in
 any manner?

 Can someone please clarify these question for us?

 Thanks in advance,
 forrestgump
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Re: To model or not to model

2008-09-23 Thread RichardAtHome

Also worth noting: A controller can have multiple Models.

Which model would $this-find() use?

On Sep 23, 12:28 pm, dr. Hannibal Lecter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Well, calling find() in a controller is not a violation, but not the
 best practice if overused.

 Of course, calling find() from a controller is the fastest way to get
 your data, but usually, the find() call has other stuff around it,
 stuff that might be common to each call. The idea is to make fat
 models, thin controllers, meaning that you put as much as you can in
 your models.

 Maybe an example is better. Let's say you have a certain criteria for
 getting an article from the Article model. You can call this from a
 controller each time you want to get an article:

 $article = $this-Article-find
         (
                 'first',
                 array
                 (
                         'conditions' = array('Article.slug' = $slug),
                         'contain' = array('ArticleCategory', 'Rating')
                 )
         );

 or you can make it cleaner and easier by declaring a function in your
 model, for example getArticle:

 function getArticle($slug)
 {
         $_slug = Sanitize::escape($slug);

         return $this-find
                 (
                         'first',
                         array
                         (
                                 'conditions' = array('Article.slug' = 
 $_slug),
                                 'contain' = array('ArticleCategory', 
 'Rating')
                         )
                 );

 }

 this makes your controller much thinner and easier to follow:

 $article = $this-Article-getSingle($slug);

 All you have to remember is that all apps work with some sort of data,
 and in Cake, models work with data, not controllers.

 I hope that helps a bit. ;)

 On Sep 23, 11:33 am, forrestgump [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hey guys,
   Considering the fact that CakePhp follows the MVC architecture, id
  like to know...y we dont make function calls such as $this-find(where 
  id=xyz) from function blocks typed out in Models rather

  than controllersim sure there is a logical reason to it...but
  someone asked me this question and i could not give her a good enuf
  answerdoes making function calls to queries like find(), save()
  work better in models or controllers?.and is it good practice to
  pass conditions in your function call while using it in a controller?
  eg find(where id=1) ;

  Does using $this-find() in controller violate the MVC architecture in
  any manner?

  Can someone please clarify these question for us?

  Thanks in advance,
  forrestgump
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Re: To model or not to model

2008-09-23 Thread techiguy

hi forrestgump,

using $this-find() in controller doesn't voilate the MVC architecture
even if you use $this-find('all')

but i heared if you direct query in controller will violate the MVC
rule

i.e if you use $this-Model-query(select * from models);

the above query will violate the MVC rule.

i heared the queries should not be written in controller it should be
in model i.e in ur model.php

even i am also not absolute on this part

On Sep 23, 2:33 pm, forrestgump [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hey guys,
  Considering the fact that CakePhp follows the MVC architecture, id
 like to know...y we dont make function calls such as $this-find(where 
 id=xyz) from function blocks typed out in Models rather

 than controllersim sure there is a logical reason to it...but
 someone asked me this question and i could not give her a good enuf
 answerdoes making function calls to queries like find(), save()
 work better in models or controllers?.and is it good practice to
 pass conditions in your function call while using it in a controller?
 eg find(where id=1) ;

 Does using $this-find() in controller violate the MVC architecture in
 any manner?

 Can someone please clarify these question for us?

 Thanks in advance,
 forrestgump

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Re: accessing model from inside another model

2007-02-22 Thread Riky Kurniawan
You can use:
1. app_model.php
2. request action in different controller
3. var uses if you want the 2 model in the same controller

-- 

http://riky.kurniawan.us


On 2/22/07, teesea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I'm trying to access a model from another model when I perform a save,
 there is no association between the two, but in the system i am trying
 to complete one does have a logically effect on the other and I would
 like to run code in one model which then runs code on another. Anyone
 know how to do this?

 Cheers

 Teesea


 


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RE: accessing model from inside another model

2007-02-22 Thread Mariano Iglesias

If there's no relation betweeen the two and you really need it, put this
incide your model:

loadModel('ModelB');
$ModelB = new ModelB();

And now you can use $ModelB as any normal model.

-MI

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So be smart, be cool, and share your knowledge. 

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Enviado el: Jueves, 22 de Febrero de 2007 11:25 a.m.
Para: Cake PHP
Asunto: accessing model from inside another model

I'm trying to access a model from another model when I perform a save,
there is no association between the two, but in the system i am trying
to complete one does have a logically effect on the other and I would
like to run code in one model which then runs code on another. Anyone
know how to do this?


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Re: accessing model from inside another model

2007-02-22 Thread Riky Kurniawan
wow, I never realize loadModul

Thanx Mariano

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On 2/22/07, Mariano Iglesias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 If there's no relation betweeen the two and you really need it, put this
 incide your model:

 loadModel('ModelB');
 $ModelB = new ModelB();

 And now you can use $ModelB as any normal model.

 -MI


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 De: cake-php@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre
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 Enviado el: Jueves, 22 de Febrero de 2007 11:25 a.m.
 Para: Cake PHP
 Asunto: accessing model from inside another model

 I'm trying to access a model from another model when I perform a save,
 there is no association between the two, but in the system i am trying
 to complete one does have a logically effect on the other and I would
 like to run code in one model which then runs code on another. Anyone
 know how to do this?


 


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Re: accessing model from inside another model

2007-02-22 Thread teesea

Thanks both of you for your help :D

On 22 Feb, 15:36, Riky Kurniawan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 wow, I never realize loadModul

 Thanx Mariano

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 http://riky.kurniawan.us
 

 On 2/22/07, Mariano Iglesias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  If there's no relation betweeen the two and you really need it, put this
  incide your model:

  loadModel('ModelB');
  $ModelB = new ModelB();

  And now you can use $ModelB as any normal model.

  -MI

  ---

  Remember, smart coders answer ten questions for every question they ask.
  So be smart, be cool, and share your knowledge.

  BAKE ON!

  blog:http://www.MarianoIglesias.com.ar

  -Mensaje original-
  De: cake-php@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre
  de teesea
  Enviado el: Jueves, 22 de Febrero de 2007 11:25 a.m.
  Para: Cake PHP
  Asunto: accessing model from inside another model

  I'm trying to access a model from another model when I perform a save,
  there is no association between the two, but in the system i am trying
  to complete one does have a logically effect on the other and I would
  like to run code in one model which then runs code on another. Anyone
  know how to do this?


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Re: $this-Model-findAll() with a model over 5000 records.

2006-06-16 Thread davide
Maybe you can even use pagination[1] :)

HTH bye
Davide

1. http://wiki.cakephp.org/tutorials:pagination





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Re: $this-Model-findAll() with a model over 5000 records.

2006-06-15 Thread Grant Cox

To retrieve that many records and instantiate the classes, it is using
more than your PHP settings allow for a single script ( see
memory_limit in your php.ini , default is 8MB ).

So, you can either retrieve less records, or you can increase this
memory limit.  To only retrieve the 50 records that used to be the
default for findAll (but was removed around v1.0), then just have

$this-set('data', $this-Product-findAll(null,null,null,50));

Or, to increase the memory PHP can use for your script (if you do want
all 5000 records)

ini_set( 'memory_limit', '64M' );

(or whatever memory size seems appropriate for your server specs and
load)


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Re: $this-Model-findAll() with a model over 5000 records.

2006-06-15 Thread Carlos Mauricio Samour

Thanks that did the trick!
Apreciate your help. I guess I will have to learn how pagination works
to display all that data.

On 6/15/06, Grant Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 To retrieve that many records and instantiate the classes, it is using
 more than your PHP settings allow for a single script ( see
 memory_limit in your php.ini , default is 8MB ).

 So, you can either retrieve less records, or you can increase this
 memory limit.  To only retrieve the 50 records that used to be the
 default for findAll (but was removed around v1.0), then just have

 $this-set('data', $this-Product-findAll(null,null,null,50));

 Or, to increase the memory PHP can use for your script (if you do want
 all 5000 records)

 ini_set( 'memory_limit', '64M' );

 (or whatever memory size seems appropriate for your server specs and
 load)


 


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Re: $this-Model-findAll() with a model over 5000 records.

2006-06-15 Thread lorenzo


Carlos Mauricio Samour ha scritto:

 Hi everyone. I am having this problem trying to retrieve the data from
 one of my models.
 In my controller I use:
 function index(){
   $this-set('data', $this-Product-findAll());
   }

set to the findAll function a field array: get only the data you need !
$this-set('data',
$this-Product-findAll(null,array('id','name','price',description)));


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