Re: svn or git?

2009-02-05 Thread grandpa

On Feb 4, 10:50 am, the_undefined  wrote:
> @pcdinh: The source repository of CakePHP is primarily a tool meant to
> assist the *developers* of CakePHP, not the users. Those who wish to
> contribute to the development of CakePHP will find Git to be a more
> powerful and social tool than SVN.
>
> What personal need to you have to interact with CakePHP's SVN
> repository?

I interact with cakes svn repo because I use Git to sync my servers to
the latest version of Cake. With Git I can have my own modifications
and plugins
and merge with the latest Cake version, then easily push to my
servers. Thats why
I interact with the SVN repo. I guess there are other ways, but since
Git has built in
support for SVN its really simple to get the changes, merge with your
local changes and
push to all your servers.


> I totally hear your argument that SVN currently enjoys better all-
> around support and wide-spread usage. I'm just not sure if it makes
> sense to apply in this context hence my previous question.
>
> -- Felix Geisendörfer aka the_undefined
>
> On Feb 3, 5:42 pm, pcdinh  wrote:
>
> > It just proves that Linux kernel development is too large and too
> > complex to be centralized. New drivers or new file systems can be
> > developed separately several years before being merged into the core.
> > That is why merging and branching are so good in Git.
>
> > Regarding to medium project like PHP or small project like CakePHP, is
> > it relevant to be distributed? Meanwhile, Subversion has better GUI
> > and Windows support. Lots of PHP developers out there do development
> > on Windows right? Subversion may be slower but I find that its
> > performance has been improved significantly in version 1.5. Even with
> > big repositories in Google Code, Subversion 1.4 is fast enough
>
> > On Feb 3, 8:11 pm, Esoteric  wrote:
>
> > > While the PHP Core team is important, the linux kernel the foundation
> > > of most modern linux systems is on git, that should prove something.
> > > (just playing devil's advocate to you comment.)
>
> > > On Feb 3, 4:44 am, Dinh  wrote:
>
> > > > PHP Core Team decides that Subversion is more relevant than Git.
> > > > That's why PHP source code is migrated from CVS to Subversion. Think
> > > > about that.
>
> > > > --
> > > > --http://groups.google.com/group/phpvietnam
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Re: svn or git?

2009-02-04 Thread the_undefined

@pcdinh: The source repository of CakePHP is primarily a tool meant to
assist the *developers* of CakePHP, not the users. Those who wish to
contribute to the development of CakePHP will find Git to be a more
powerful and social tool than SVN.

What personal need to you have to interact with CakePHP's SVN
repository?

I totally hear your argument that SVN currently enjoys better all-
around support and wide-spread usage. I'm just not sure if it makes
sense to apply in this context hence my previous question.

-- Felix Geisendörfer aka the_undefined

On Feb 3, 5:42 pm, pcdinh  wrote:
> It just proves that Linux kernel development is too large and too
> complex to be centralized. New drivers or new file systems can be
> developed separately several years before being merged into the core.
> That is why merging and branching are so good in Git.
>
> Regarding to medium project like PHP or small project like CakePHP, is
> it relevant to be distributed? Meanwhile, Subversion has better GUI
> and Windows support. Lots of PHP developers out there do development
> on Windows right? Subversion may be slower but I find that its
> performance has been improved significantly in version 1.5. Even with
> big repositories in Google Code, Subversion 1.4 is fast enough
>
> On Feb 3, 8:11 pm, Esoteric  wrote:
>
> > While the PHP Core team is important, the linux kernel the foundation
> > of most modern linux systems is on git, that should prove something.
> > (just playing devil's advocate to you comment.)
>
> > On Feb 3, 4:44 am, Dinh  wrote:
>
> > > PHP Core Team decides that Subversion is more relevant than Git.
> > > That's why PHP source code is migrated from CVS to Subversion. Think
> > > about that.
>
> > > --
> > > --http://groups.google.com/group/phpvietnam
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Re: svn or git?

2009-02-04 Thread grandpa

In my opinion, if you are on a *nix-system, there is no reason
whatsoever to use Subversion.
Git is so much better it's almost ridiculous. On Windows, I don't
know, but I've heard Git is
getting there...

At work we, unfortunately, switched from Subversion to Perforce.
Perforce is arguably a better system
than SVN but compared to Git it sucks too.

The good thing about Git is that you can use it both with Subversion
and Perforce. I almost don't
have to touch the shitty Perforce apps at all. Using Git with
Subversion is more or less completely
transparent. So my advice is to use Git.

Linus himself may be a git, but in this talk he is also right:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8

Git is much better suited to a lone developer OR a small dev team OR a
ridiculously large one. Using Git
for deployment is also really simple and cool, and can be used with
your own local repo as well.
Just check out .git/hooks dir in any Git repo. You can do something
like (this is from a hooks/post-receive, slightly
edited):

export PUBLISH=/home/someuser/public_html
export GIT_DIR=/home/git/somerepo/.git
rm -rf $PUBLISH/*
cd /home/git/somerepo
cd $PUBLISH
git checkout -f
mkdir -p $PUBLISH/tmp/cache/models
mkdir -p $PUBLISH/tmp/cache/persistent
mkdir -p $PUBLISH/tmp/cache/views
mkdir -p $PUBLISH/tmp/logs
mkdir -p $PUBLISH/tmp/sessions
mkdir -p $PUBLISH/tmp/tests
chmod -R 777 $PUBLISH/tmp
chmod -R 777 $PUBLISH/tmp/cache
echo "Published files to live web directory..."
cake migrate

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On Jan 28, 12:00 pm, leo  wrote:
> This has probably been discussed before, but I can't find anything
> specific.
>
> Why does CakePHP use SVN, while The Chaw appears to use GIT?
>
> Should I be using one rather than the other?
>
> Will CakePHP eventually migrate to GIT?
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Re: svn or git?

2009-02-03 Thread Sam Sherlock
windows git support is getting better.  SVN has a head start with GUI's, I
have found that git extensions for windows to be nice - though msys-git has
its quirks - I can't get gitweb to work from windows at all, but that is
just being extra anyway.

2009/2/3 Esoteric 

>
> I have used subversion for years, but what I love about git, is that I
> don't have to be online or dependent on a server to commit changes,
> commiting changes is almost completely instant with git and I only
> have to push to the server when I want to.
>
> Granted SVN has great windows support and GUI support, but I am a
> command line guy, and I don't use windows anymore for development. :)
>
> When it comes down to it, to each his own.
>
> On Feb 3, 11:42 am, pcdinh  wrote:
> > It just proves that Linux kernel development is too large and too
> > complex to be centralized. New drivers or new file systems can be
> > developed separately several years before being merged into the core.
> > That is why merging and branching are so good in Git.
> >
> > Regarding to medium project like PHP or small project like CakePHP, is
> > it relevant to be distributed? Meanwhile, Subversion has better GUI
> > and Windows support. Lots of PHP developers out there do development
> > on Windows right? Subversion may be slower but I find that its
> > performance has been improved significantly in version 1.5. Even with
> > big repositories in Google Code, Subversion 1.4 is fast enough
> >
> > On Feb 3, 8:11 pm, Esoteric  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > While the PHP Core team is important, the linux kernel the foundation
> > > of most modern linux systems is on git, that should prove something.
> > > (just playing devil's advocate to you comment.)
> >
> > > On Feb 3, 4:44 am, Dinh  wrote:
> >
> > > > PHP Core Team decides that Subversion is more relevant than Git.
> > > > That's why PHP source code is migrated from CVS to Subversion. Think
> > > > about that.
> >
> > > > --
> > > > --http://groups.google.com/group/phpvietnam- Hide quoted
> text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
> >
>

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Re: svn or git?

2009-02-03 Thread Esoteric

I have used subversion for years, but what I love about git, is that I
don't have to be online or dependent on a server to commit changes,
commiting changes is almost completely instant with git and I only
have to push to the server when I want to.

Granted SVN has great windows support and GUI support, but I am a
command line guy, and I don't use windows anymore for development. :)

When it comes down to it, to each his own.

On Feb 3, 11:42 am, pcdinh  wrote:
> It just proves that Linux kernel development is too large and too
> complex to be centralized. New drivers or new file systems can be
> developed separately several years before being merged into the core.
> That is why merging and branching are so good in Git.
>
> Regarding to medium project like PHP or small project like CakePHP, is
> it relevant to be distributed? Meanwhile, Subversion has better GUI
> and Windows support. Lots of PHP developers out there do development
> on Windows right? Subversion may be slower but I find that its
> performance has been improved significantly in version 1.5. Even with
> big repositories in Google Code, Subversion 1.4 is fast enough
>
> On Feb 3, 8:11 pm, Esoteric  wrote:
>
>
>
> > While the PHP Core team is important, the linux kernel the foundation
> > of most modern linux systems is on git, that should prove something.
> > (just playing devil's advocate to you comment.)
>
> > On Feb 3, 4:44 am, Dinh  wrote:
>
> > > PHP Core Team decides that Subversion is more relevant than Git.
> > > That's why PHP source code is migrated from CVS to Subversion. Think
> > > about that.
>
> > > --
> > > --http://groups.google.com/group/phpvietnam- Hide quoted text 
> > > -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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Re: svn or git?

2009-02-03 Thread pcdinh


It just proves that Linux kernel development is too large and too
complex to be centralized. New drivers or new file systems can be
developed separately several years before being merged into the core.
That is why merging and branching are so good in Git.

Regarding to medium project like PHP or small project like CakePHP, is
it relevant to be distributed? Meanwhile, Subversion has better GUI
and Windows support. Lots of PHP developers out there do development
on Windows right? Subversion may be slower but I find that its
performance has been improved significantly in version 1.5. Even with
big repositories in Google Code, Subversion 1.4 is fast enough

On Feb 3, 8:11 pm, Esoteric  wrote:
> While the PHP Core team is important, the linux kernel the foundation
> of most modern linux systems is on git, that should prove something.
> (just playing devil's advocate to you comment.)
>
> On Feb 3, 4:44 am, Dinh  wrote:
>
> > PHP Core Team decides that Subversion is more relevant than Git.
> > That's why PHP source code is migrated from CVS to Subversion. Think
> > about that.
>
> > --
> > --http://groups.google.com/group/phpvietnam
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Re: svn or git?

2009-02-03 Thread Martin Westin

@Sam

I use this to clean my folders before uploading to the production
server (I don't checkout to that server).

cd where/you/have/svn/crap
find ./ -name ".svn" -exec rm -rf {} \;

/Martin


On Feb 3, 2:34 pm, Sam Sherlock  wrote:
> For me Git because "complex is better than complicated, now is better than
> never"
>
> also AFAIK git can svn, though svn can not git.  I might perhaps revisit svn
> after becoming fully intimate with all that git has to offer.  As I never
> really got of the ground with SVN whereas I got right into git though
> perhaps trying to get to grips with svn give me a head start with git
>
> +also thanks to svn I have some undeletable folders with these 'paste line'
> files ?? and nothing will get rid of them
>
> http://neeraj.name/blog/articles/789-how-to-use-branch-feature-of-git...http://www.gnome.org/~newren/eg/git-for-svn-users.htmlhttp://git.or.cz/gitwiki/GitSvnComparsion
>
> 2009/2/3 Esoteric 
>
>
>
> > While the PHP Core team is important, the linux kernel the foundation
> > of most modern linux systems is on git, that should prove something.
> > (just playing devil's advocate to you comment.)
>
> > On Feb 3, 4:44 am, Dinh  wrote:
> > > PHP Core Team decides that Subversion is more relevant than Git.
> > > That's why PHP source code is migrated from CVS to Subversion. Think
> > > about that.
>
> > > --
> > > --http://groups.google.com/group/phpvietnam
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Re: svn or git?

2009-02-03 Thread Sam Sherlock
For me Git because "complex is better than complicated, now is better than
never"

also AFAIK git can svn, though svn can not git.  I might perhaps revisit svn
after becoming fully intimate with all that git has to offer.  As I never
really got of the ground with SVN whereas I got right into git though
perhaps trying to get to grips with svn give me a head start with git

+also thanks to svn I have some undeletable folders with these 'paste line'
files ?? and nothing will get rid of them

http://neeraj.name/blog/articles/789-how-to-use-branch-feature-of-git-and-work-with-github
http://www.gnome.org/~newren/eg/git-for-svn-users.html
http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/GitSvnComparsion


2009/2/3 Esoteric 

>
> While the PHP Core team is important, the linux kernel the foundation
> of most modern linux systems is on git, that should prove something.
> (just playing devil's advocate to you comment.)
>
> On Feb 3, 4:44 am, Dinh  wrote:
> > PHP Core Team decides that Subversion is more relevant than Git.
> > That's why PHP source code is migrated from CVS to Subversion. Think
> > about that.
> >
> > --
> > --http://groups.google.com/group/phpvietnam
> >
>

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Re: svn or git?

2009-02-03 Thread Esoteric

While the PHP Core team is important, the linux kernel the foundation
of most modern linux systems is on git, that should prove something.
(just playing devil's advocate to you comment.)

On Feb 3, 4:44 am, Dinh  wrote:
> PHP Core Team decides that Subversion is more relevant than Git.
> That's why PHP source code is migrated from CVS to Subversion. Think
> about that.
>
> --
> --http://groups.google.com/group/phpvietnam
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Re: svn or git?

2009-02-03 Thread Dinh

PHP Core Team decides that Subversion is more relevant than Git.
That's why PHP source code is migrated from CVS to Subversion. Think
about that.

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Re: svn or git?

2009-02-03 Thread Martin Westin

Just found this website in relation to the whole "What the Eff is this
git thing I keep hearing about?"

http://gitready.com/



On Feb 2, 1:40 pm, Martin Westin  wrote:
> @leo I know what you mean. That is why, for two years, I stubbornly
> kept using SmartSVN, which is free but horrible in comparison. After
> trying Cornerstone and smiling with every commit, I gladly paid the
> license for Cornerstone... or I should say my employer reluctantly
> did :)
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Re: svn or git?

2009-02-02 Thread Martin Westin


@leo I know what you mean. That is why, for two years, I stubbornly
kept using SmartSVN, which is free but horrible in comparison. After
trying Cornerstone and smiling with every commit, I gladly paid the
license for Cornerstone... or I should say my employer reluctantly
did :)


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Re: svn or git?

2009-01-30 Thread gerhardsletten

I use the Textmate Bundle SVNMate (http://ciaranwal.sh/2007/11/29/
svnmate-update) its really wonderfull working with. And on office
where we use svn+ssh protocol it even supports that to.

Also have the svnX, but its a little more hazzle working with.
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Re: svn or git?

2009-01-30 Thread frederic bollon

Personally I will continue to use Subversion, because in my context
(small developper team) Subversion is perfect and also my favorit
deployment tool, Fredistrano http://code.google.com/p/fredistrano/ ,
does not support Git yet.


On Jan 28, 12:00 pm, leo  wrote:
> This has probably been discussed before, but I can't find anything
> specific.
>
> Why does CakePHP use SVN, while The Chaw appears to use GIT?
>
> Should I be using one rather than the other?
>
> Will CakePHP eventually migrate to GIT?
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Re: svn or git?

2009-01-29 Thread teknoid

Using Git is cool. Don't you wanna be cool? :)
All the kids are using it, you should try it too...


On Jan 29, 10:07 am, leo  wrote:
> @martin - yep I agree. I've tried them both and Cornerstone is great.
> I don't like paying for stuff like that though. The kind of things
> that are almost always freeware on Windows are nearly always payware
> on Mac :(
>
> Don't really know which to go with. I guess I'll stick with Subversion
> for now, but keep an eye on Git. I work mainly by myself, so I could
> argue (with myself) that all I need is TimeMachine. But I don't think
> I'd go for that.
>
> On Jan 29, 3:16 pm, Martin Westin  wrote:
>
> > If you are on Mac OS X you should really look at Versions and
> > Cornerstone. They are both excellent subversion clients that are very
> > "Mac". I bought Cornerstone after using "Smart"SVN for a while (read
> > years) and it's a world of difference, even for something as basic as
> > versioning code.
>
> > Well, if you decide to stay with svn, that is. :)
>
> > (I love a server with cli but on a 24" screen I feel silly typing cli
> > commands all day)
>
> > On Jan 28, 1:09 pm, leo  wrote:
>
> > > > > Should I be using one rather than the other?
>
> > > > > Will CakePHP eventually migrate to GIT?
>
> > > Here I didn't mean which is best for me, but which way is CakePHP
> > > going and would I be advised to follow? I already use SVN but it was a
> > > git to set up on OS X.
>
>
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Re: svn or git?

2009-01-29 Thread leo

@martin - yep I agree. I've tried them both and Cornerstone is great.
I don't like paying for stuff like that though. The kind of things
that are almost always freeware on Windows are nearly always payware
on Mac :(

Don't really know which to go with. I guess I'll stick with Subversion
for now, but keep an eye on Git. I work mainly by myself, so I could
argue (with myself) that all I need is TimeMachine. But I don't think
I'd go for that.

On Jan 29, 3:16 pm, Martin Westin  wrote:
> If you are on Mac OS X you should really look at Versions and
> Cornerstone. They are both excellent subversion clients that are very
> "Mac". I bought Cornerstone after using "Smart"SVN for a while (read
> years) and it's a world of difference, even for something as basic as
> versioning code.
>
> Well, if you decide to stay with svn, that is. :)
>
> (I love a server with cli but on a 24" screen I feel silly typing cli
> commands all day)
>
> On Jan 28, 1:09 pm, leo  wrote:
>
> > > > Should I be using one rather than the other?
>
> > > > Will CakePHP eventually migrate to GIT?
>
> > Here I didn't mean which is best for me, but which way is CakePHP
> > going and would I be advised to follow? I already use SVN but it was a
> > git to set up on OS X.
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Re: svn or git?

2009-01-29 Thread Esoteric

In my opinion Git is where it is at and I am glad to see that CakePHP
will be moving to Git eventually, because it is vastly superior IMO
than SVN plus you don't have to rely on a server to commit changes as
it is all local until you wnat to push to a server if you choose to.

Enjoy.

-Erik


On Jan 29, 9:16 am, Martin Westin  wrote:
> If you are on Mac OS X you should really look at Versions and
> Cornerstone. They are both excellent subversion clients that are very
> "Mac". I bought Cornerstone after using "Smart"SVN for a while (read
> years) and it's a world of difference, even for something as basic as
> versioning code.
>
> Well, if you decide to stay with svn, that is. :)
>
> (I love a server with cli but on a 24" screen I feel silly typing cli
> commands all day)
>
> On Jan 28, 1:09 pm, leo  wrote:
>
>
>
> > > > Should I be using one rather than the other?
>
> > > > Will CakePHP eventually migrate to GIT?
>
> > Here I didn't mean which is best for me, but which way is CakePHP
> > going and would I be advised to follow? I already use SVN but it was a
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Re: svn or git?

2009-01-29 Thread Martin Westin

If you are on Mac OS X you should really look at Versions and
Cornerstone. They are both excellent subversion clients that are very
"Mac". I bought Cornerstone after using "Smart"SVN for a while (read
years) and it's a world of difference, even for something as basic as
versioning code.

Well, if you decide to stay with svn, that is. :)

(I love a server with cli but on a 24" screen I feel silly typing cli
commands all day)



On Jan 28, 1:09 pm, leo  wrote:
> > > Should I be using one rather than the other?
>
> > > Will CakePHP eventually migrate to GIT?
>
> Here I didn't mean which is best for me, but which way is CakePHP
> going and would I be advised to follow? I already use SVN but it was a
> git to set up on OS X.
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Re: svn or git?

2009-01-29 Thread leo

Thanks, Gwoo, that's what I wanted to know. It's like a vote of
confidence in Git. Now I'll investigate it.

On Jan 28, 7:48 pm, Gwoo  wrote:
> > Why does CakePHP use SVN.
>
> Because when we started CakePHP 3 years ago, Git did not exist.
>
> > while The Chaw appears to use GIT?
>
> Because now Git exists and we like it. But as was said Chaw supports
> both, so if you have a new project you can choose based on your
> preference.
>
> > Will CakePHP eventually migrate to GIT?
>
> yes.
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Re: svn or git?

2009-01-28 Thread Gwoo

> Why does CakePHP use SVN.

Because when we started CakePHP 3 years ago, Git did not exist.

> while The Chaw appears to use GIT?

Because now Git exists and we like it. But as was said Chaw supports
both, so if you have a new project you can choose based on your
preference.

> Will CakePHP eventually migrate to GIT?

yes.
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Re: svn or git?

2009-01-28 Thread mark_story

You should be able to install both SVN and Git with ease through
MacPorts.  That's how I installed them, was pretty easy.

-Mark

On Jan 28, 7:09 am, leo  wrote:
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>
> > > Will CakePHP eventually migrate to GIT?
>
> Here I didn't mean which is best for me, but which way is CakePHP
> going and would I be advised to follow? I already use SVN but it was a
> git to set up on OS X.
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Re: svn or git?

2009-01-28 Thread leo

> > Should I be using one rather than the other?
>
> > Will CakePHP eventually migrate to GIT?

Here I didn't mean which is best for me, but which way is CakePHP
going and would I be advised to follow? I already use SVN but it was a
git to set up on OS X.
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Re: svn or git?

2009-01-28 Thread Graham Weldon


The Chaw supports both SVN and Git.
You will find the core team move around between SVN ang Git for various
projects.

This question can probably be answered by looking at the key differences
between Git and Svn.
The most significant, and most obvious, being the distributed nature of
Git.

I suggest you dive into the documentation for Git, and for Subversion, and
see which best suits your needs.
If you still cant decide, just jump in and try one. Better to be versioning
code with the wrong system than with no system at all.

Lastly, try discussing it on the git or SVN mailing lists. Thats probably
the right spot for discussing it.

Cheers,
Graham


On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:00:30 -0800 (PST), leo  wrote:
> This has probably been discussed before, but I can't find anything
> specific.
> 
> Why does CakePHP use SVN, while The Chaw appears to use GIT?
> 
> Should I be using one rather than the other?
> 
> Will CakePHP eventually migrate to GIT?
> 
-- 
Cheers,

Graham Weldon
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e. gra...@grahamweldon.com
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