Re: Trying to convince management that Open Source is a good thing
Getting paid support is generally possible for most infrastructure type open source projects. - MySQL -> Pay oracle. - Linux -> Pay Redhat or Canonical For smaller non infrastructure type projects there is usually a developer or affiliated company that is happy to take money and be on a retainer in case something goes bad. -Mark On Sep 27, 10:40 am, "Yves S. Garret" wrote: > Sorry about this not being CakePHP specific, but rather something being > tangentially related to CakePHP. However, in my organization, there is a > serious issue with convincing management that Open Source is a good idea. > As a result we are stuck with using Windows servers and _forced_ to use > MSSQL. > > Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Microsoft (I run Mac, Windows and Linux at > home) or want to start a flamewar of some sort. However, I would like to > know of some BUSINESS REASONS that I can use to sell to management that this > is not only a good idea, but head and shoulders above our present way of > going. > > My reason for doing this is because it's so much easier to get updates, > fixes and improvements than with a close source approach. Management is > worried about support. I don't really care, I can admin my own box just > fine. They want an approach that will cover their rear ends in case > something bad happens (i.e. someone will come on-site and fix it for them). > Is there consultant group that provides support and other such services in > the Rhode Island area that we could tap into? I'd keep Windows around, but > since we do most of our development on the web, it's kind of pointless to > care too much what OS you're running. -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: Trying to convince management that Open Source is a good thing
Money is not an issue in such organizations. Most of the licenses are all ready bought. The fast response for new tasks is the main issue. You get this fast response because there is tons of libraries and code out there that you can integrate into your solution. Do it step by step: First, suggest to implement cake on windows with MSSQL For the support you have CakeDC. Then try to change the database to mysql and finally maybe you convince some one to try Linux Although I believe that In a 20K employees company you will find a Linux machine somewhere. The development is faster in open source also because you don't need as a developer to ask for license for your tools. When a new developer join the team it sometime take him more then a week to get vs2010 license. And don't forget that Wikipedia and Facebook are based on PHP and Amazone uses Linux servers. But you also take a chance that something will go wrong and you'll find yourself trying to convince your employer to use open source all over again, only this time it will be your new employer. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Thomas Ploch wrote: > Well, in a company with 20.000 employees I can imagine that the License > fees for Windows Servers (there probably are a lot of them) and MSSQL > databases (There probably are a lot of them too) are pretty high. So my > main argument would be the financial savings in licensing costs (running > costs) that are by far greater then the cost to actually change the > IT-infrastructure (single investment) after X months (subject to > calculation). Those managers do not understand things like "faster > development processes" but they understand things like "We will save a > big pile of cash". > > Kind regards > Thomas > > Am Dienstag, den 27.09.2011, 07:52 -0700 schrieb Yves S. Garret: > > Also, what was your experience in a similar situation? How did you > > handle it? We're a big organization with at least 20,000 people. > > > > On Sep 27, 10:40 am, "Yves S. Garret" > > wrote: > > > Sorry about this not being CakePHP specific, but rather something being > > > tangentially related to CakePHP. However, in my organization, there is > a > > > serious issue with convincing management that Open Source is a good > idea. > > > As a result we are stuck with using Windows servers and _forced_ to > use > > > MSSQL. > > > > > > Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Microsoft (I run Mac, Windows and > Linux at > > > home) or want to start a flamewar of some sort. However, I would like > to > > > know of some BUSINESS REASONS that I can use to sell to management that > this > > > is not only a good idea, but head and shoulders above our present way > of > > > going. > > > > > > My reason for doing this is because it's so much easier to get updates, > > > fixes and improvements than with a close source approach. Management > is > > > worried about support. I don't really care, I can admin my own box > just > > > fine. They want an approach that will cover their rear ends in case > > > something bad happens (i.e. someone will come on-site and fix it for > them). > > > Is there consultant group that provides support and other such > services in > > > the Rhode Island area that we could tap into? I'd keep Windows around, > but > > > since we do most of our development on the web, it's kind of pointless > to > > > care too much what OS you're running. > > > > > -- > Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials > http://tv.cakephp.org > Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help > others with their CakePHP related questions. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group > at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php > -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: Trying to convince management that Open Source is a good thing
Well, in a company with 20.000 employees I can imagine that the License fees for Windows Servers (there probably are a lot of them) and MSSQL databases (There probably are a lot of them too) are pretty high. So my main argument would be the financial savings in licensing costs (running costs) that are by far greater then the cost to actually change the IT-infrastructure (single investment) after X months (subject to calculation). Those managers do not understand things like "faster development processes" but they understand things like "We will save a big pile of cash". Kind regards Thomas Am Dienstag, den 27.09.2011, 07:52 -0700 schrieb Yves S. Garret: > Also, what was your experience in a similar situation? How did you > handle it? We're a big organization with at least 20,000 people. > > On Sep 27, 10:40 am, "Yves S. Garret" > wrote: > > Sorry about this not being CakePHP specific, but rather something being > > tangentially related to CakePHP. However, in my organization, there is a > > serious issue with convincing management that Open Source is a good idea. > > As a result we are stuck with using Windows servers and _forced_ to use > > MSSQL. > > > > Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Microsoft (I run Mac, Windows and Linux at > > home) or want to start a flamewar of some sort. However, I would like to > > know of some BUSINESS REASONS that I can use to sell to management that this > > is not only a good idea, but head and shoulders above our present way of > > going. > > > > My reason for doing this is because it's so much easier to get updates, > > fixes and improvements than with a close source approach. Management is > > worried about support. I don't really care, I can admin my own box just > > fine. They want an approach that will cover their rear ends in case > > something bad happens (i.e. someone will come on-site and fix it for them). > > Is there consultant group that provides support and other such services in > > the Rhode Island area that we could tap into? I'd keep Windows around, but > > since we do most of our development on the web, it's kind of pointless to > > care too much what OS you're running. > -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: Trying to convince management that Open Source is a good thing
The only argument they will listen to (and should) is money! Here are some points where they would save money with: - No Licence costs - Faster and easier developmnent process - More secure environment Thats it from me, but im sure there will be many more posts. -flosky "Yves S. Garret" schrieb: Sorry about this not being CakePHP specific, but rather something being tangentially related to CakePHP. However, in my organization, there is a serious issue with convincing management that Open Source is a good idea. As a result we are stuck with using Windows servers and _forced_ to use MSSQL. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Microsoft (I run Mac, Windows and Linux at home) or want to start a flamewar of some sort. However, I would like to know of some BUSINESS REASONS that I can use to sell to management that this is not only a good idea, but head and shoulders above our present way of going. My reason for doing this is because it's so much easier to get updates, fixes and improvements than with a close source approach. Management is worried about support. I don't really care, I can admin my own box just fine. They want an approach that will cover their rear ends in case something bad happens (i.e. someone will come on-site and fix it for them). Is there consultant group that provides support and other such services in the Rhode Island area that we could tap into? I'd keep Windows around, but since we do most of our development on the web, it's kind of pointless to care too much what OS you're running. -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: Trying to convince management that Open Source is a good thing
Also, what was your experience in a similar situation? How did you handle it? We're a big organization with at least 20,000 people. On Sep 27, 10:40 am, "Yves S. Garret" wrote: > Sorry about this not being CakePHP specific, but rather something being > tangentially related to CakePHP. However, in my organization, there is a > serious issue with convincing management that Open Source is a good idea. > As a result we are stuck with using Windows servers and _forced_ to use > MSSQL. > > Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Microsoft (I run Mac, Windows and Linux at > home) or want to start a flamewar of some sort. However, I would like to > know of some BUSINESS REASONS that I can use to sell to management that this > is not only a good idea, but head and shoulders above our present way of > going. > > My reason for doing this is because it's so much easier to get updates, > fixes and improvements than with a close source approach. Management is > worried about support. I don't really care, I can admin my own box just > fine. They want an approach that will cover their rear ends in case > something bad happens (i.e. someone will come on-site and fix it for them). > Is there consultant group that provides support and other such services in > the Rhode Island area that we could tap into? I'd keep Windows around, but > since we do most of our development on the web, it's kind of pointless to > care too much what OS you're running. -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Trying to convince management that Open Source is a good thing
Sorry about this not being CakePHP specific, but rather something being tangentially related to CakePHP. However, in my organization, there is a serious issue with convincing management that Open Source is a good idea. As a result we are stuck with using Windows servers and _forced_ to use MSSQL. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Microsoft (I run Mac, Windows and Linux at home) or want to start a flamewar of some sort. However, I would like to know of some BUSINESS REASONS that I can use to sell to management that this is not only a good idea, but head and shoulders above our present way of going. My reason for doing this is because it's so much easier to get updates, fixes and improvements than with a close source approach. Management is worried about support. I don't really care, I can admin my own box just fine. They want an approach that will cover their rear ends in case something bad happens (i.e. someone will come on-site and fix it for them). Is there consultant group that provides support and other such services in the Rhode Island area that we could tap into? I'd keep Windows around, but since we do most of our development on the web, it's kind of pointless to care too much what OS you're running. -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
