RE: softDelete, would anyone find useful enough....
I'm not into including this on the CakePHP core, it is so simple to add it by yourself that it is pointless adding it to the core. Soft deletes are for certain occasions while hard deletes are the most common thing. Other than that thanks for taking the effort to propose a new functionality to the community. -MI --- Remember, smart coders answer ten questions for every question they ask. So be smart, be cool, and share your knowledge. BAKE ON! blog: http://www.MarianoIglesias.com.ar -Mensaje original- De: cake-php@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Jon Bennett Enviado el: Miércoles, 07 de Febrero de 2007 08:08 a.m. Para: cake-php@googlegroups.com Asunto: softDelete, would anyone find useful enough ... to add to core? At present if a table has created and modifed fields, these are updated automatically, we could expand on this to include a deleted field, then add an extra param to Model-del($id,$cascade,$soft) and if $soft is true, it would first check the field exists with hasField, and then set the datetime. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: softDelete, would anyone find useful enough....
Why not write it up as a behavior? Mariano Iglesias wrote: I'm not into including this on the CakePHP core, it is so simple to add it by yourself that it is pointless adding it to the core. Soft deletes are for certain occasions while hard deletes are the most common thing. Other than that thanks for taking the effort to propose a new functionality to the community. -MI --- Remember, smart coders answer ten questions for every question they ask. So be smart, be cool, and share your knowledge. BAKE ON! blog: http://www.MarianoIglesias.com.ar -Mensaje original- De: cake-php@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Jon Bennett Enviado el: Miércoles, 07 de Febrero de 2007 08:08 a.m. Para: cake-php@googlegroups.com Asunto: softDelete, would anyone find useful enough ... to add to core? At present if a table has created and modifed fields, these are updated automatically, we could expand on this to include a deleted field, then add an extra param to Model-del($id,$cascade,$soft) and if $soft is true, it would first check the field exists with hasField, and then set the datetime. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: softDelete, would anyone find useful enough....
I definitely have the use for this functionality in 2 of my current projects. Although, I only need to perform the soft delete on certain tables, and not everywhere. What would be the best way to make this functionality modular so I can quickly and easily utilize either a soft or hard delete within my controller? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: softDelete, would anyone find useful enough....
See this ticket: https://trac.cakephp.org/ticket/664 And also follow message thread in there. -MI --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: softDelete, would anyone find useful enough....
As nate pointed out you can use Model behaviours to achieve this: http://api.cakephp.org/1.2/classModelBehavior.html -MI --- Remember, smart coders answer ten questions for every question they ask. So be smart, be cool, and share your knowledge. BAKE ON! blog: http://www.MarianoIglesias.com.ar -Mensaje original- De: cake-php@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Jon Bennett Enviado el: Miércoles, 07 de Febrero de 2007 03:05 p.m. Para: cake-php@googlegroups.com Asunto: Re: softDelete, would anyone find useful enough as you'll most likely want to do this on a model basis (eg, one Model would not want both delete and soft delete), just change the deletes in those controllers to softDelete() --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: softDelete, would anyone find useful enough....
Hi Jon I am just about to implement this exact functionality in an application. Like you, I also think that it would be a logical piece of functionality to include in the Cake core. After all, soft delete has exactly the same set of issues attached to it (cascading for instance) as does regular delete. Mariano says that it is so simple to implement that you wouldn't put it in the CakePHP core. Why then put delete in the core? Surely it would be just as simple to implement? What attracts me to Cake is that stuff like deleting is simple to do. As a consumer of Cake (as opposed to a developer), I would find soft deletes a useful feature to have built in. Obviously this is just my personal opinion / 2 cents worth etc :-) I would be interested to hear the reasons for not including this sort of functionality. Is is a matter of bloat? Regards, Langdon Jon Bennett wrote: ... to add to core? I've just reworked some core cake code (very slightly!), so I could have a cascadable, softDelete function, and have realised that if cake followed 1 more convention, it could be very easy to add this into the core. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: softDelete, would anyone find useful enough....
I have just looked through Jon's code for softDeleting and am now even more in favor of this functionality going into the core. My PHP knowledge and my Cake knowledge are not good enough to be able to implement what Jon has done. Certainly not without a couple of weeks work. This is definitely the sort of functionality that I would not like to have to re-implement in every project. Regards, Langdon Langdon Stevenson wrote: Hi Jon I am just about to implement this exact functionality in an application. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: softDelete, would anyone find useful enough....
Hi Jon I can't really take credit for it - it's basically a variant of the existing delete methods, I think that is the point :-) Ok, its a small modification, but it would have taken me a long time to figure out. This is definitely the sort of functionality that I would not like to have to re-implement in every project. well, you don't, do once, and add to your app_model - I always have unbindAll (and now softDelete) in my app_model when i start. Understood, but this is why I agree with you that it should be in the core. If you are including something in appModel (I always have the expects function for unbinding) for every project, doesn't this suggest that it really does belong in core? I can see that my appModel is quickly growing to be quite large, therefore making it a less convenient file to work with. Regards, Langdon --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: softDelete, would anyone find useful enough....
Understood, but this is why I agree with you that it should be in the core. we're both ignoring mariano's post earlier which linked to a ticket in track stating it would be here for 1.2 - couldn't find it in the API, so guess it's on its way some time soon. jon -- jon bennett t: +44 (0) 1225 341 039 w: http://www.jben.net/ iChat (AIM): jbendotnet Skype: jon-bennett --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: softDelete, would anyone find useful enough....
Understood, but this is why I agree with you that it should be in the core. we're both ignoring mariano's post earlier which linked to a ticket in track stating it would be here for 1.2 - couldn't find it in the API, so guess it's on its way some time soon. Good point :-) Lets wait for 1.2 then. Regards, Langdon --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: softDelete, would anyone find useful enough....
Just because there is an enhancement ticket that has been left open does not necessarily mean that something is going to be added to the core. In all likelihood, it will *not* be added to the core, as the Behaviors API provides a more-than-sufficient interface to plug this functionality in with an external class. On Feb 7, 4:59 pm, Jon Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Understood, but this is why I agree with you that it should be in the core. we're both ignoring mariano's post earlier which linked to a ticket in track stating it would be here for 1.2 - couldn't find it in the API, so guess it's on its way some time soon. jon -- jon bennett t: +44 (0) 1225 341 039 w:http://www.jben.net/ iChat (AIM): jbendotnet Skype: jon-bennett --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
