Re: [Callers] Young Adult Rose

[Kalia Kliban via Callers]

On 3/27/2016 6:15 PM, David A Kaynor via Callers wrote:

Hi Everyone,

The “Young Adult Rose” which I made up goes thus:

Duple Improper
A1:  w/neighbor, balance and swing end progressed
A2:  Circle left 3/4 til gents are back home; w/partner, pass right
shoulder; w/shadow, left hand turn
B1:  With partner, balance and swing
B2:  Ladies chain across; star left


Thank you so much for chiming in on this!


I will just observe that, even if different from and perhaps somewhat
less satisfying than what I made up, having to turn with *right*
hands rather than left hands seems a bit inconsequential to me,
considering what’s going on in the world around us  these days.


As problems go, it's a delightful one to have.


One might well wonder if the revolting individuals chose to at least be
gracious.


They were having a good time but fighting mightily with their (as it 
turned out, correct) inclinations to allemande left.  There was a 
collective sigh of relief when I made the change from the mic.  This is 
a group with a lot of beginners, and I had just given them a 
no-walk-through medley for possibly their first time (it was certainly 
my first time).  We were all finding our way through it together, and it 
was a good ride.


Kalia

Re: [Callers] Thoughts on B2/A1 swings and having time to flourish

[Jeff Kaufman via Callers]

Hmm, I think I've seen people be late with it on twice count swings too? My
interpretation is more like, when dancers are starting to learn swing
ending flourishes the "counting from the end" to end things on time is
hard, and they tend to be late a lot. The longer the flourish they're
trying to lead, the longer in advance they need to start it and the less
likely they are to leave enough time?

(This is all still an aside, though, and I'm interested in discussion of
the main point of your post.)
On Mar 27, 2016 9:19 PM, "tavi merrill"  wrote:

> Needs 4 counts (8 beats) to be executed well. My experience is that using
> it on 8-count swings makes a lot of people late, because most aren't
> willing to cut the swing off early enough to fit the twirl in without being
> late. Hence the usefulness of 16-count swings / utility of flourishes to
> 16-count swings, which i see as a reciprocal relationship.
>
> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Jeff Kaufman 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mar 27, 2016 8:38 PM, "tavi merrill via Callers" <
>> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>> > like the ripcord twirl, seen in the wild here
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVpR6SxWsM4=RDIVquC0jqCXs=2m2s
>> and taught here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbyoOPc0rHQ, one of my
>> favorite swing ending flourishes but one that takes too much time to be
>> executed in an 8-count swing window
>> >
>>
>> This is a tangent, but that flourish looks like only four beats to me?
>>
>
>

Re: [Callers] Thoughts on B2/A1 swings and having time to flourish

[tavi merrill via Callers]

Needs 4 counts (8 beats) to be executed well. My experience is that using
it on 8-count swings makes a lot of people late, because most aren't
willing to cut the swing off early enough to fit the twirl in without being
late. Hence the usefulness of 16-count swings / utility of flourishes to
16-count swings, which i see as a reciprocal relationship.

On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Jeff Kaufman 
wrote:

>
> On Mar 27, 2016 8:38 PM, "tavi merrill via Callers" <
> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> > like the ripcord twirl, seen in the wild here
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVpR6SxWsM4=RDIVquC0jqCXs=2m2s and
> taught here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbyoOPc0rHQ, one of my
> favorite swing ending flourishes but one that takes too much time to be
> executed in an 8-count swing window
> >
>
> This is a tangent, but that flourish looks like only four beats to me?
>

Re: [Callers] Young Adult Rose

[David A Kaynor via Callers]

Hi Everyone,

The “Young Adult Rose” which I made up goes thus:

Duple Improper

A1:  w/neighbor, balance and swing
end progressed

A2:  Circle left 3/4 til gents are back home;
w/partner, pass right shoulder;
w/shadow, left hand turn

B1:  With partner, balance and swing

B2:  Ladies chain across;
star left

The only differences from The Baby Rose are (1) the title, the “baby” having 
become a “young adult” when, over 20 years later, we met at Camp Unirondack and 
he introduced himself (“I was the Baby Rose!”), and (2) the latter part of A2, 
wherein the arguably overly accommodating partner dos-a-dos morphs into what's 
above.

I will just observe that, even if different from and perhaps somewhat less 
satisfying than what I made up, having to turn with *right* hands rather than 
left hands seems a bit inconsequential to me, considering what’s going on in 
the world around us  these days.  One might well wonder if the revolting 
individuals chose to at least be gracious.

David Kaynor

> On Mar 27, 2016, at 8:13 PM, Kalia Kliban via Callers 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 3/27/2016 5:09 PM, JD Erskine via Callers wrote:
>> On 2016-03-27 1324, Kalia Kliban via Callers wrote:
>>> I called Young Adult Rose last night and experienced a near-complete
>>> dancer revolt about the shadow allemande.  The dance is written with a
>>> circle left 3/4, pass P by R along the line then allemande shadow R 1x,
>>> before coming back to P for a balance and swing.  The dancers all
>>> _really_ wanted to do the allemande by the left.  I tried calling it a
>>> few times with the R hand, then gave up and called it L and they were
>>> all much happier.  Anyone else experienced this?
>>> 
>>> Kalia
>> 
>> I don't have the dance mentioned so I started to analyse what I'd be
>> able to respond to by reformatting the above to short lines of complete,
>> necessary words. I just couldn't picture it in the narrative style.
>> 
>> It looked like I was missing something for my understanding of the
>> dance. I didn't find it on-line, however looking in my personal archives
>> of this list I found a discussion about the dance from 2012.10.26-28
>> 
>> According to one poster Young Adult Rose _is_ danced with an allemande
>> left.
>> 
>> Young Adult Rose
>> 
>> Dup imp/L2i
>> 
>> A1 N Bal. & Sw
>> A2 Cir. L 3/4, pass through
>>   Shadow Al. L 1x
>> B1 P Bal. & Sw
>> B2 Ladies Chain
>>  LH Star 1x
>> 
>> "identical to "Baby" except for the A2."
> 
> Hmm, this is interesting.  I picked it up from JoLaine Jones-Pokorney's site, 
> where it's written as allemande R.  I haven't been able to find the notes 
> anywhere else, when I was looking to see whether I just had an odd version.  
> Anybody else have this in their files?  Is it left or right in your version?
> 
> Kalia
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Re: [Callers] Thoughts on B2/A1 swings and having time to flourish

[Jeff Kaufman via Callers]

On Mar 27, 2016 8:38 PM, "tavi merrill via Callers" <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> like the ripcord twirl, seen in the wild here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVpR6SxWsM4=RDIVquC0jqCXs=2m2s and
taught here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbyoOPc0rHQ, one of my favorite
swing ending flourishes but one that takes too much time to be executed in
an 8-count swing window
>

This is a tangent, but that flourish looks like only four beats to me?

Re: [Callers] Rates for private events (weddings etc)?

[Martha Wild via Callers]

After having some serious delays at weddings (like 5 hours between when we were 
supposed to be on and when we actually went on) I now (either as a caller or 
with one of my bands) charge at least $100-$150 per band/caller person, but 
include the caveat that a half hour delay is free, but every half hour after 
that is an extra $50 (not per person but total). This seems to be enough to 
have made people be a lot tighter on getting to the dancing on time.
Martha

> On Mar 26, 2016, at 11:55 AM, Jeff Kaufman via Callers 
>  wrote:
> 
> I would ask for about 3x more for a wedding then for an evening of dancing:
> 
> * weddings are a lot of hassle
> 
> * you're only playing/calling for a short time, but you need to be there very 
> early and schedules are not reliable at weddings -- this may be worse for 
> bands than callers
> 
> * people spend so much at most weddings these days that they're typically 
> willing to pay whatever (once I let someone negotiate me down a lot by them 
> saying they were trying to save money and when I got therei found out that 
> the food cost more per guest then they were paying each of us)
> 
> * I'd charge much less or free for a friend, especially if I would be at 
> their wedding anyway: it's like a wedding gift
> 
> On Mar 26, 2016 2:23 PM, "Michael Fuerst via Callers" 
> > 
> wrote:
> Central Illinois where I live?  $35-50, although our local callers would 
> probably do such for free.
> NYC?  $2000, but  $3000 if on a weekend
>  
> Michael Fuerst  802 N Broadway  Urbana IL 61801  217 239 5844 
> 
> 
> 
> On Saturday, March 26, 2016 1:13 PM, Maia McCormick via Callers 
> > 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hey folks,
> 
> I've just been asked to call a wedding, and I don't have a good idea for what 
> the going rate for these things is. What do you all charge for a wedding 
> (say, 30 mins-an hour of dancing)? (And how might you adjust this rate for 
> NYC?)
> 
> Thanks,
> Maia
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[Callers] Calling and timing

[Roger Hayes via Callers]

Some thoughts on timing, in part inspired by the recent discussion of
"Young Adult Rose" (btw, I hope we get a series of dances up to and
including "Revered Elder Rose" -- alternatively "That Old Rascal Rose").

As the dancers get the dance into their body, I'll shift from calling early
for direction to calling on the beat for timing. Of course it would be
ideal to be able to do both; I think it's possible with artful word choice,
but not always, not for me.

Sometimes I get the control thing going and want to exert a strong
influence over the timing -- "balance Now!".  It's often more fun to shut
up and let the dancers sort out the timing - it's great to see people
adjust to make a dance flow.

Sometimes I enjoy dancing a dance with imperfect timing or flow, just to
see how the hall will adjust and make sense of it. A lot of the figures we
dance are not so precise as we think they are; for example, many "allemande
once" figures are really more like 1/2, to reverse direction. This is why I
prefer to teach with "far enough so you can..." rather than "exactly N" --
I want the dancers to think about flow and connection, not about completing
one figure before attending to the next.

On the other hand, I'm a total curmudgeon about lazy not-quite-far-enough
circles. And being late for your neighbor? Awful. Breaks down the trust
that builds up when we're all there for each other, on time and in the
right place.

- Roger Hayes

[Callers] Thoughts on B2/A1 swings and having time to flourish

[tavi merrill via Callers]

Hola all,

So Amy's followup to her "Is this a new dance" query brought up something
i've been thinking about for a while. (Amy & Tom - i'm collecting it with
Tom's B2 modification and attributing it as Wimmer, variation Hinds.)

A 16-count swing does go on forever. But it is also awesome - and i mean
truly awesome - to have a full 12-count swing plus 4 counts to pull off one
of the more time consuming flourishes (like the ripcord twirl, seen in the
wild here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVpR6SxWsM4=RDIVquC0jqCXs=2m2s and
taught here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbyoOPc0rHQ, one of my favorite
swing ending flourishes but one that takes too much time to be executed in
an 8-count swing window).

I know attitudes on twirls vary, so i should state clearly my opinion: i
think flourishes, while neither traditional nor intrinsic to our dance
form, add a lot to contra when they are executed safely, consensually, and
in a manner mindful of the foursome and set as a whole. That to me implies
that when and how to use twirls well - and how to time them - can be a
potential style point when dances allow for them, particularly where a
16-count swing may bore or tire dancers, yet allows plenty of time to
flourish and arrive on time for the next move. We could, as
choreographers, maybe even write more 16-count swings for use with the
crowds that love to flourish. Less subtle: If you're calling a 16-count
swing, why not point out to the dancers there's no excuse for arriving late
after a flourish?

The A1 placement of the partner swing in Amy's dance "Feelin' the Bern"
also appeals to me for a quite specific reason. Some callers are of a mind
that every dance should end with a swing, while others (this camp including
myself) feel that getting back on the microphone to change the final B to
accomplish that is bad form, but do appreciate the elegance of being with
or at least aimed toward your partner at the end of a dance and try to
facilitate that effect when possible, and others don't give a crap about
where dancers are facing when the music stops. (NOTE: This is to
acknowledge the various camps, not to launch a thread on which approach is
better!!!) Flowing from this, i fully support A1 partner swings, because
it's another way to accomplish the aimed-toward-partner-when-dance-ends
thing that doesn't involve an A1 circle L or slide. ;-)

On a slightly different but related note: As i work to assemble a DJ
repertoire of contradanceable EDM, i've noticed that many remixes are
perfectly contra-ready save for a "build to drop" element that occurs in
the music where the B2 ends, in effect adding from 4 to 8 counts to the B2
but usually only once through. Rather than re-working the track to
eliminate the build/drop element, which would create the feeling something
substantial is missing, I'm toying with the notion of pairing such material
with B2 swings so dancers get a slightly longer swing during that iteration
of the dance. Thinking getting back on microphone to say "keep swinging"
and then prompt the A1 with recorded music isn't such bad form. Open to
feedback on that.

I'd appreciate if folks keep responses to this message
positive/constructive in tone (vis-a-vis argumentative or dismissive) as
i've been super depressed lately and positivity helps. Hope you all are
having a good holiday weekend whether you're celebrating Easter or
recovering from a raucous Purim or burning off all those Newroz treats or
still doing laundry after Holi (did i get them all?!)

Tavi

Re: [Callers] Young Adult Rose

[Kalia Kliban via Callers]

On 3/27/2016 5:09 PM, JD Erskine via Callers wrote:

On 2016-03-27 1324, Kalia Kliban via Callers wrote:

I called Young Adult Rose last night and experienced a near-complete
dancer revolt about the shadow allemande.  The dance is written with a
circle left 3/4, pass P by R along the line then allemande shadow R 1x,
before coming back to P for a balance and swing.  The dancers all
_really_ wanted to do the allemande by the left.  I tried calling it a
few times with the R hand, then gave up and called it L and they were
all much happier.  Anyone else experienced this?

Kalia


I don't have the dance mentioned so I started to analyse what I'd be
able to respond to by reformatting the above to short lines of complete,
necessary words. I just couldn't picture it in the narrative style.

It looked like I was missing something for my understanding of the
dance. I didn't find it on-line, however looking in my personal archives
of this list I found a discussion about the dance from 2012.10.26-28

According to one poster Young Adult Rose _is_ danced with an allemande
left.

Young Adult Rose

Dup imp/L2i

A1 N Bal. & Sw
A2 Cir. L 3/4, pass through
   Shadow Al. L 1x
B1 P Bal. & Sw
B2 Ladies Chain
  LH Star 1x

"identical to "Baby" except for the A2."


Hmm, this is interesting.  I picked it up from JoLaine Jones-Pokorney's 
site, where it's written as allemande R.  I haven't been able to find 
the notes anywhere else, when I was looking to see whether I just had an 
odd version.  Anybody else have this in their files?  Is it left or 
right in your version?


Kalia

Re: [Callers] Young Adult Rose

[JD Erskine via Callers]

On 2016-03-27 1324, Kalia Kliban via Callers wrote:

I called Young Adult Rose last night and experienced a near-complete
dancer revolt about the shadow allemande.  The dance is written with a
circle left 3/4, pass P by R along the line then allemande shadow R 1x,
before coming back to P for a balance and swing.  The dancers all
_really_ wanted to do the allemande by the left.  I tried calling it a
few times with the R hand, then gave up and called it L and they were
all much happier.  Anyone else experienced this?

Kalia


I don't have the dance mentioned so I started to analyse what I'd be 
able to respond to by reformatting the above to short lines of complete, 
necessary words. I just couldn't picture it in the narrative style.


It looked like I was missing something for my understanding of the 
dance. I didn't find it on-line, however looking in my personal archives 
of this list I found a discussion about the dance from 2012.10.26-28


According to one poster Young Adult Rose _is_ danced with an allemande left.

Young Adult Rose

Dup imp/L2i

A1 N Bal. & Sw
A2 Cir. L 3/4, pass through
  Shadow Al. L 1x
B1 P Bal. & Sw
B2 Ladies Chain
 LH Star 1x

"identical to "Baby" except for the A2."

Cheers, John
--
J.D. Erskine
Victoria, BC

Re: [Callers] Young Adult Rose

[Bob Morgan via Callers]

As I visualize the figure I'm thinking that shadow allemande right is less
than one, essentially enough to take the dancers around each other to
change direction only but changing from outside to inside track or vice
versa.  They're then heading back on the other track to balance and swing
(actually I'd prefer to go without the balance to maintain momentum, but it
elongates the swing) in the right orientation to enter the swing properly.
If you call it as a whole allemande I'd agree left is easier for entering
the swing.

I've never had an outright rebellion, a fair amount of misinterpretation
from caller and dancers and dances just not working but they're generally
fairly amenable.

Bob

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 12:41 AM, Rich Sbardella via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> In Another Nice Combination, dancers Pass P by R to Shadow DSD which is a
> right (handed) move, before returning to a partner swing.  There is no
> choice required since DSD is almost always right shoulder.
>
> Rich
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Jonathan Sivier via Callers <
> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>>I've not encountered problems with dancers not doing the figures
>> described in the dance, but I have experienced a certain amount of
>> dissatisfaction when dancing dances with similar figures.  I think there is
>> a tendency to want to alternate hands/shoulders as you encounter other
>> dancers.  Similar to a hey or Right and Left Grand if you pass one person
>> by the right the tendency is to want to interact with the next by the
>> left.  This can be overcome, but requires thinking about what the next
>> figure is rather than just doing it and it can make it difficult to "get
>> into the groove" the way many dancers like to do.  I don't think this is
>> always the case, but I have certainly come across occasions when it just
>> seemed like we were turning by the wrong hand or whatever.
>>
>> Jonathan
>> -
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>> Caller of Contra, Square, English and Early American Dances
>> jsivier AT illinois DOT edu
>> Dance Page: http://www.sivier.me/dance_leader.html
>> -
>> Q: How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
>> A: It depends on what dance you call!
>>
>> On 3/27/2016 3:24 PM, Kalia Kliban via Callers wrote:
>>
>>> I called Young Adult Rose last night and experienced a near-complete
>>> dancer revolt about the shadow allemande.  The dance is written with a
>>> circle left 3/4, pass P by R along the line then allemande shadow R 1x,
>>> before coming back to P for a balance and swing.  The dancers all
>>> _really_ wanted to do the allemande by the left.  I tried calling it a
>>> few times with the R hand, then gave up and called it L and they were
>>> all much happier.  Anyone else experienced this?
>>>
>>> Kalia
>>>
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Re: [Callers] Young Adult Rose

[Rich Sbardella via Callers]

In Another Nice Combination, dancers Pass P by R to Shadow DSD which is a
right (handed) move, before returning to a partner swing.  There is no
choice required since DSD is almost always right shoulder.

Rich


On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Jonathan Sivier via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

>I've not encountered problems with dancers not doing the figures
> described in the dance, but I have experienced a certain amount of
> dissatisfaction when dancing dances with similar figures.  I think there is
> a tendency to want to alternate hands/shoulders as you encounter other
> dancers.  Similar to a hey or Right and Left Grand if you pass one person
> by the right the tendency is to want to interact with the next by the
> left.  This can be overcome, but requires thinking about what the next
> figure is rather than just doing it and it can make it difficult to "get
> into the groove" the way many dancers like to do.  I don't think this is
> always the case, but I have certainly come across occasions when it just
> seemed like we were turning by the wrong hand or whatever.
>
> Jonathan
> -
> Jonathan Sivier
> Caller of Contra, Square, English and Early American Dances
> jsivier AT illinois DOT edu
> Dance Page: http://www.sivier.me/dance_leader.html
> -
> Q: How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
> A: It depends on what dance you call!
>
> On 3/27/2016 3:24 PM, Kalia Kliban via Callers wrote:
>
>> I called Young Adult Rose last night and experienced a near-complete
>> dancer revolt about the shadow allemande.  The dance is written with a
>> circle left 3/4, pass P by R along the line then allemande shadow R 1x,
>> before coming back to P for a balance and swing.  The dancers all
>> _really_ wanted to do the allemande by the left.  I tried calling it a
>> few times with the R hand, then gave up and called it L and they were
>> all much happier.  Anyone else experienced this?
>>
>> Kalia
>>
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Re: [Callers] Young Adult Rose

[Jonathan Sivier via Callers]

   I've not encountered problems with dancers not doing the figures 
described in the dance, but I have experienced a certain amount of 
dissatisfaction when dancing dances with similar figures.  I think there 
is a tendency to want to alternate hands/shoulders as you encounter 
other dancers.  Similar to a hey or Right and Left Grand if you pass one 
person by the right the tendency is to want to interact with the next by 
the left.  This can be overcome, but requires thinking about what the 
next figure is rather than just doing it and it can make it difficult to 
"get into the groove" the way many dancers like to do.  I don't think 
this is always the case, but I have certainly come across occasions when 
it just seemed like we were turning by the wrong hand or whatever.


Jonathan
-
Jonathan Sivier
Caller of Contra, Square, English and Early American Dances
jsivier AT illinois DOT edu
Dance Page: http://www.sivier.me/dance_leader.html
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Q: How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
A: It depends on what dance you call!

On 3/27/2016 3:24 PM, Kalia Kliban via Callers wrote:

I called Young Adult Rose last night and experienced a near-complete
dancer revolt about the shadow allemande.  The dance is written with a
circle left 3/4, pass P by R along the line then allemande shadow R 1x,
before coming back to P for a balance and swing.  The dancers all
_really_ wanted to do the allemande by the left.  I tried calling it a
few times with the R hand, then gave up and called it L and they were
all much happier.  Anyone else experienced this?

Kalia

[Callers] Young Adult Rose

[Michael Fuerst via Callers]

 May this be your biggest disappointment in life.  :)
(Allemande left works much  better, because it gives dancers a better direction 
for starting  the swing.When calling the dance on a Saturday I probably use 
left shoulder gypsy instead of the allemande.) Michael Fuerst      802 N 
Broadway      Urbana IL 61801  217 239 5844  

[Callers] Young Adult Rose

[Kalia Kliban via Callers]

I called Young Adult Rose last night and experienced a near-complete 
dancer revolt about the shadow allemande.  The dance is written with a 
circle left 3/4, pass P by R along the line then allemande shadow R 1x, 
before coming back to P for a balance and swing.  The dancers all 
_really_ wanted to do the allemande by the left.  I tried calling it a 
few times with the R hand, then gave up and called it L and they were 
all much happier.  Anyone else experienced this?


Kalia

Re: [Callers] New dance?

[Pat Hoekje via Callers]

I am trying to visualize the circle R to star R with new neighbor from the 
women's place and I have to turn around (or drop from the circle right a bit 
early to star right with the next neighbor.  What am I not seeing correctly or 
is that true?  
Thanks,Pat 

On Sunday, March 27, 2016 4:22 AM, Amy Wimmer via Callers 
 wrote:
 

 Tom and Erik are quite right about that swing. It lasts FOREVER, which
is a little too long.  I took Michael's suggestion and started at A2.
I also took Michael's suggestion of turning the allemande into a
two-eyed turn (an "eye-lemande" as my friend Matthew coined). Thank
you for the suggestions for changing that bit.

Two callers danced it tonight. One (my husband, Tom) thought the flow
was good, but the swing was definitely too long. The other caller said
she really liked that the mad robin wasn't with your partner, which
she said tends to make a dance seem very partner-only-centric,
ignoring the neighbors. She agreed with me that I need to figure out a
better way to teach it. One of the band members noticed the long swing
and said it needs some other element to break it up.

This particular dance community has lots of beginners and folks who
just don't dance very well. It took them a while to get the circle
right-to star right transition. Tom thought that part was simple. He
noticed that when one is out at the ends one should not cross over,
but should stand "proper."

I very much appreciate your input, guys. Next time I'll try some more
of your ideas.

-Amy

> On Mar 26, 2016, at 5:50 PM, Tom Hinds  wrote:
>
> Nice dance Amy.  I really like the sequence of moves.
> I'm trying to imagine this in my head and assume that the allemande right is 
> once around which takes less than 8 beats to do.
>
> Hope you don't mind suggesting a change.  I would change the allemande right 
> to once and a half.  That would give us:
>
> B2    neighbor allemande right 1 1/2
>    ladies ric.  men pass left
>
> T
>
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Re: [Callers] Rates for private events (weddings etc)?

[John Sweeney via Callers]

Hi Maia,

First you have to decide whether you are running a business or 
enjoying a hobby.

 

I do both and the rates are completely different.  As a hobby I 
charge whatever the gig can afford, going as low as zero.  But that has to be 
stuff that you want to do for fun, for friends, for charity, or whatever.

 

As a business you need to take into account ALL your expenses: 
equipment, depreciation, travel costs, your time preparing for the gig and 
getting to and from the gig, set up and break down time, insurance, licenses 
for playing music, etc.

 

How long they dance for is completely irrelevant.  You are 
providing your services for that evening and you can’t do another gig at the 
same time.  They are paying you for using up your whole evening regardless of 
how much dancing they want.  I have done weddings where I have only called 
three dances, and weddings where I have called 15 dances.  In both cases the 
bride and groom were delighted, they got exactly what they wanted and lots of 
great photos and memories.  The charge was the same for both!

 

A good place to start is by using Google or Yellow Pages to contact 
a few local DJs.  Ask them how much they charge for a wedding in the relevant 
area.  You should be charging at least as much as the DJ as you do the same job 
PLUS calling!  I charge a flat rate plus petrol for all private gigs.

 

Hope that helps.

 

Happy dancing,

   John

 

John Sweeney, Dancer, England 
j...@modernjive.com 01233 625 362 & 07802 940 574

  http://www.modernjive.com for Modern Jive Events & 
DVDs

  http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in 
Kent

 

From: Maia McCormick via Callers [mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net] 
Sent: 26 March 2016 18:13
To: callers@lists.sharedweight.net
Subject: [Callers] Rates for private events (weddings etc)?

 

Hey folks,

 

I've just been asked to call a wedding, and I don't have a good idea for what 
the going rate for these things is. What do you all charge for a wedding (say, 
30 mins-an hour of dancing)? (And how might you adjust this rate for NYC?)

 

Thanks,

Maia

Re: [Callers] New dance?

[Amy Wimmer via Callers]

Tom and Erik are quite right about that swing. It lasts FOREVER, which
is a little too long.  I took Michael's suggestion and started at A2.
I also took Michael's suggestion of turning the allemande into a
two-eyed turn (an "eye-lemande" as my friend Matthew coined). Thank
you for the suggestions for changing that bit.

Two callers danced it tonight. One (my husband, Tom) thought the flow
was good, but the swing was definitely too long. The other caller said
she really liked that the mad robin wasn't with your partner, which
she said tends to make a dance seem very partner-only-centric,
ignoring the neighbors. She agreed with me that I need to figure out a
better way to teach it. One of the band members noticed the long swing
and said it needs some other element to break it up.

This particular dance community has lots of beginners and folks who
just don't dance very well. It took them a while to get the circle
right-to star right transition. Tom thought that part was simple. He
noticed that when one is out at the ends one should not cross over,
but should stand "proper."

I very much appreciate your input, guys. Next time I'll try some more
of your ideas.

-Amy

> On Mar 26, 2016, at 5:50 PM, Tom Hinds  wrote:
>
> Nice dance Amy.  I really like the sequence of moves.
> I'm trying to imagine this in my head and assume that the allemande right is 
> once around which takes less than 8 beats to do.
>
> Hope you don't mind suggesting a change.  I would change the allemande right 
> to once and a half.  That would give us:
>
> B2neighbor allemande right 1 1/2
>ladies ric.  men pass left
>
> T
>