Re: Sam Rainsy should not make political games out of border dispute
Anyone who wrote….hunger + stupid+ fear = khmer, is slowly poisoning himself and those around him. Do you think you are better than mr kangaroo? I think not. Healthy, abundant and prosperity! These are the key words you think all the times. Healthy, abundant and prosperity = all human beings On Feb 7, 4:20 pm, Mekong River phoum.da...@gmail.com wrote: koncakloo, I understand you are a yuon, so why do you care so much about Khmer ? The best you can do to help us is by staying out of Khmer affairs because every time you yuon people stick you heads in our affairs, it makes the situation worse. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 4:01 PM, kangaroo therabbitn...@yahoo.com wrote: On Feb 5, 5:46 pm, Khmer Young khmeryo...@gmail.com wrote: Sure but why you are condemning Sam Rainsy whose act is to serve the interest of the nation. This is where we are different. I don't believe that Sam Rainsy is doing things to serve the Cambodian people. Actually, he is dividing his society. Remember Hun Sen and his supporters are Cambodains too. If Sam Rainsy is so good, he could have lead a coalition to unite Cambodia for the sake of his country. Unfortunately, he is hiding behind his democracy movement. He is using it to promote his prestige so he can be in power one day. It will never happen. Look at where he is now. Instead of leading his troops to fight for their causes, he is hiding in France for his comfort. Is that what you call a true leadership? Sam Rainsy has been cornered by the monopolitic approach of CPP in both assembly and nationwide compaign to shut the mouth of opposition. I would do the same if Sam Rainsy continue to divide the society. You have said it yourself. Sam Rainsy is an opposition. He opposes evething that Hun Sen government has been doing. Nothing can be right except Sam Rainsy stuffs. So he is trying to say that Hun Sen and CPP followers should not be a part of the Cambodian society. This is where Sam Rainsy is wrong. So that why Sam Rainsy responded like that. Because Sam Rainsy wants his own way, or else. Let go Sam Rainsy to file legal letters to all signatories nations about the border violation of Vietnam. Even Hun Sen is supporting this task. Sam Rainsy has done it all except his own people in his own country. It means that he is drumming his support from other countries to hate his own people in his own country. That's exactly what Sam RAinsy is doing. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) -www.cambodia.org group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. To post to this group, send email to camdisc@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to camdisc-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc Learn more -http://www.cambodia.org -- MR, Khlean + Khlao + Khlach = Khmer -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. To post to this group, send email to camdisc@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to camdisc-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc Learn more - http://www.cambodia.org
Re: CAMBODIAN JUDICIARY'S DOUBLE STANDARD
I had been to the fantasy island for the last three weeks busy enjoy it that I forget to go to a toilet. After returning from the trip, I went to the toilet and guess what…, I nearly filled it up! On Feb 8, 3:41 pm, kangaroo therabbitn...@yahoo.com wrote: On Feb 3, 6:09 pm, thisbugone thisbug...@gmail.com wrote: Same here. I only express my opinions and if Kangaroo thinks he knows it all, that is up to him. If he thinks he is full of it then it is up to him. No one is better than anyone or at least I think so. We are here to express our opinions nothing more or nothing less. So let us hear your expression. Remember! what you put out is subject for discussion. Some may favor you. and some may not. Don't get mad. If you present facts for your opinions, then you mostlikely not to get serious criticism. If you think that your expression is fact, then you live in a fantacsy land. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. To post to this group, send email to camdisc@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to camdisc-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc Learn more - http://www.cambodia.org
Cambodia issues Sam Rainsy arrest warrant
Summary from the source. The 1,270-kilometre (790-mile) border has remained essentially unmarked and vague since French colonial times, with stone markers and boundary flags having disappeared, while trees once lining it were cut down. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8436851.stm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. To post to this group, send email to camdisc@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to camdisc-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc Learn more - http://www.cambodia.org
Re: What Cambodian government says about Sam Rainsy on Cambodian/Vietnam border
Two CPP government officials stayed at our house. I had a chance to ask of them on this subject. He said some of these people lived in Cambodia before the Khmer Rogue took over, and his government can’t do much when they return from Vietnam. He also said when these people bringing in lots of money, they are most welcome and have a high priority to stay. I think they are not protecting these people, but rather the money these people have. Most of the government officials’ people have little integrity. All they care about is money and money, and nothing else. They could not provide a job and look after its own people. Yet they think a settler with money could solve their problems. However when a settler makes profit from their money, they will for sure take it back to their own country of origin. Money is not a mean to survival as people can live of the land. Money is a form of energy that can be exchange for another form of energy. A friend been to Cambodia and he said things are bad over there compare to two years ago. Many lost money on properties. Money and greed inflates the prices on properties. Once when it reaches its peak, the only inlet it can move is down and hard. In Camdisc wrote: The questions answered years ago. NA DA! ( Do-Nothing) With or without border, it doesn't means a thing to Cambodian Government. Every Vietnamese settlement to Cambodia, CPP provided housing, plus 5x20 meters of land and local village protections. From: timothych...@aol.com timothych...@aol.com To: camdisc@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, December 28, 2009 4:15:48 PM Subject: What Cambodian government says about Sam Rainsy on Cambodian/Vietnam border http://www.khmerlive.tv/archive/20091225_Sam_Rainsy_-_Khmer_Vietnam_Border.html-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. To post to this group, send email to camdisc@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to camdisc-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc Learn more - http://www.cambodia.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. To post to this group, send email to camdisc@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to camdisc-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc Learn more - http://www.cambodia.org
Re: US: Cambodia's deportation of Uighurs violates obligations
You can’t blame the US for that; Thailand is loaded with weapon from the US while Cambodia is loaded with weapon from Russia and China and North Korea. You have to support your customer/ buyer or they won’t buy anymore weapon from you. On Dec 21, 3:20 pm, rattanakiri rattanak...@gmail.com wrote: It is very sad and deplorable act. It is part of geopolitics, the end justifies the means. The US is partial the blame, for years, the US pushes Cambodia further to depend on China financially and politically. During the Thai attempt to occupied Cambodian land, the US took the Thai side by saying it is between Thai and Cambodia. Only China tolf Thailand to back down. timothych...@aol.com wrote: Cambodia is a one of the Chinese clients. China has funded Cambodia billions, while the US restrains its financial tie to a certain limit, way behind other donors. The US must protest against the main culprit rather than complaining against a country that is merely at the mercy of China, Vietnam and other dictatorship nations. How about go to the main source of oppression--China? Can the US do anything about that? The answers lie behind the real strength of the USA. There is nothing much that the US can do except some lip servicing statements to help placate the Human Rights Activists. China owns most parts of the world now and the US (private company and the US Government) owes trillions of dollars to the Chinese. That is the value of Hawaii, maybe? :-) If we understand the politics of the world, we will not be too upset over why things always go wrong with the weaker countries--financially and militarily. --- Monday, December 21, 2009 US: Cambodia's deportation of Uighurs violates obligations http://ki-media.blogspot.com/2009/12/us-cambodias-deportation-of-uigh... Dec 20, 2009 DPA Washington - The United States Sunday denounced Cambodia's deportation to China of 20 Uighur asylum seekers, saying it appeared to violate Cambodia's international obligations and would have long- term consequences for bilateral ties. The United States was 'deeply concerned' about the welfare of the individuals who had been deported, said Gordon Duguid, acting spokesman of the US State Department in a statement. 'We are also deeply disturbed that the Cambodian government decided to forcibly remove the group without the benefit of a credible process for determining refugee status and without appropriate participation by the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees,' Duguid said. The State Department said the incident would affect Cambodia's relationship with the US and its international standing. The US urged the government of China to ensure proper treatment of the asylum seekers and uphold standards of human rights. The 20 Chinese Muslims had arrived in Cambodia last month from the far western Xinjiang region. Cambodia deported the Uighurs on the eve of the Chinese vice president's arrival in the country Sunday on a state visit, drawing immediate criticism from the United Nations. 'We are a greatly disappointed with this because Cambodia has signed the International Refugee Convention so they are supposed to protect refugees under this law,' Christophe Pescoux, Cambodia representative of the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (UNHCR), said. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) -www.cambodia.org group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. To post to this group, send email to camdisc@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to camdisc-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc Learn more -http://www.cambodia.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. To post to this group, send email to camdisc@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to camdisc-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc Learn more - http://www.cambodia.org
Re: Rape, abuse in Kingdom is reaching crisis level: minister
The Earth orbits and rotates around the Sun according to its law. The Moon orbits around the Earth according to its law. Man made satellites orbit around the Earth are made use of the law of gravity. Electricity and electronic devices are all operate according to its law. Natures operate according to its law. Everything on this Earth runs according to its law. There are laws for everything. Man makes and breaks law. Their leaders’ thoughts like this and it’s affecting the general population. Most of the government officials are playboys. With lots of money and power, they abuse their own people at will and it’s affecting the mental mind of the population. The rich and powerful have got everything except happiness. They chase after happiness by breaking so many laws which the make this country so dumb at so many things. Sometimes the outer world can give the inner world some temporary pleasures, but at what cost. The Cambodian leaders are trying to change the outer world to suite their inner world of their mind, which is impossible as it only making their country closer and closer to total collapse. Their past leaders had done it so many times, the results were the lost of lands and populations. And now they are doing it again and again and again. They are bleeding Cambodia from good order to chaos and they will not find happiness. They can bleed Cambodia to death, and they still won’t find it either. Because what they do not realize is there is no happiness in the outer world, happiness is found in the inner world. The smaller ones are imitating the bigger ones by preying on people who are weaker than themselves. One of the six laws is the law of the mind is the law of interconnected. What you see on the outer world is the reflection of what kind of thoughts is in the mind of the inner world of people live that country. Their thoughts speak of a woman as beautiful, ugly, skinny, fat, prostitute, intelligent and stupid. They should train thoughts to sees in every woman a mother, a sister, or a daughter of every man. Cambodia could not be fixed from outer world, but from in the inner world. On Nov 27, 5:30 pm, timothych...@aol.com wrote: Rape, abuse in Kingdom is reaching crisis level: minister Rape, abuse in Kingdom is reaching crisis level: minister Thursday, 26 November 2009 15:02 Lily Partand Siem Reap SEXUAL and domestic violence against women and girls has become a problem of pandemic proportions that is stalling development of the Kingdom, according to Minister for Women’s Affairs Ing Kantha Phavi. She spoke on Wednesday at the opening session of the two-day Asia Pacific Regional Conference on Primary Prevention of Violence Against Women and Children: Focus on Urban Youth, which included 120 participants and speakers from countries throughout the Asia-Pacific region. Ing Kantha Phavi said that although the number of rapes and sexual assaults that get reported is increasing, the number of cases that go unreported is of even greater concern. “In Cambodia, the reported rate of domestic and sexual violence is 22 percent. But due to our culture of silence and shame, and the widespread p ractice of victims accepting compensation instead of prosecuting their abusers, the actual rate of violence could be much higher. This risks jeopardising the recent development and progress of Cambodia,” she said. First lady Bun Rany spoke of the importance of youth in tackling the issue in Cambodia, where 56 percent of the population is under the age of 25. “If we can develop effective initiatives for youth, we will be able to reach young people while their attitudes towards gender equality, relationships and violence are still being formed. If we succeed, this could have a significant impact on reducing violence against women and children,” she said. Facilitator Ellen Minotti, who has worked in the field in Cambodia for 17 years, said the conference would help identify best practices and find ways to evaluate the effectiveness of prevention programmes. “One of the points made ... was that there’s been lots of work done on domestic violence and sexual violence, and the rate is not going down anywhere. So we need to look at new ways, but we also need to measure if they are working or not,” Minotti said. Dr Jean D’Cunha, regional programme director for the UN Development Fund for Women in East and Southeast Asia, said it was important to involve men and boys in the campaign against sexual and domestic violence. “We’ve done very little work with men and boys, but this is not just an issue for women and girls – it concerns the whole of our society. Men and boys need to be partners with women and girls against violence.” The conference, which concludes today, was organised by the Ministry of Women’s Affairs. The results will be used to shape recommendations for Cambodia’s National Action Plan to Prevent Violence against
Re: Cambodia at the brink of self-suicide
For Sam Rainsy, I know the name, and not the man. I think you him better. On Nov 26, 5:21 pm, kangaroo therabbitn...@netscape.net wrote: Is Sam Rainsy one of them? Is that why Sam Rainsy always run for help overseas? Is that why Sam Rainsy doesn't really fight along side his constituents? On Nov 25, 6:30 pm, starplatinum silenfo...@gmail.com wrote: There are people from overseas who have good intention of helping Cambodia. Once when you step foot there, the environment is a bit different. People from overseas think of change, however the people in Cambodia think of survival. There are four goals we can aim for… 1. short term 2. medium term 3. long term 4. unrealistic term Many Cambodians aim for short term which is survival, and medium term which is making money. For you KY, survival and making money is certain so you usually think of long term goal which is change. Change is something many Cambodians have giving up; can you talk them into it? The only you can change is yourself. I can’t change Cambodia either, but I change myself. If you can change yourself first, there is a chance that you might be able to change Cambodia to some degrees. To change yourself, you should realize your mind is not you, but part of you. You mind can help you and also trick you. We have two minds, the conscious mind and the subconscious mind. The conscious mind has it limitations, but the subconscious mind is not. The subconscious is the most powerful, which is like a God. There six laws of the mind. 1. thoughts are real forces 2. your mind is a sending and receiving station of thoughts 3. when you thoughts are emotionalized, it attracts similar thoughts 4. you can either entertain those thoughts that come to your mind or dismiss them 5. thoughts can be add or subtract from the mind 6. the inner and outer world are connected – the inner thoughts of your world and the outside circumstance of your situation are related To read a book about marital art will not change you into a martial art expert. To study and not do your homework will not help you to learn. If you want something and do not put exercise into it, it’s only a desire. If you write to change something and you do not put exercise into it, it’s only a desire. To know those six laws will do nothing to change you. To change you have to do practices or exercises. There many ways to do exercise, but I’m going to stop at this point. Just one point to remember is the outer world will change itself once the inner world is changed. On Nov 24, 6:06 pm, Khmer Young khmeryo...@gmail.com wrote: Just make it easier in putting your thought into Cambodia's fraudulent election: 1. Government control national budget, officers, staff and national assets to serve its interests and power 2. Every public servants has been overwhelmingly politicized. For instance, to be a teacher you have to register CPP's membership and get card, and pay 10% from monthly salary...it is not volunteerily paid but forcefully 3. National election committees are not independent 4. Cambodian farmers are intimidated by villages chiefs 5. Cambodian poor families and farmers are offered many things ( as a vote-buying) 6. Mass media is very unequal distributed 7. Fear impede the actual conscience of Cambodian people to vote 8. Others... Your perspective of who is like who is coming from those biased mass media. Of course because of the propaganda of politicians are the same: they need power in order to invest money is overwhelmingly bombarding Cambodian people and including you here who are also bombarded by that propaganda. With this propaganda, Cambodian voters realize that current national assembly is the dictatorship assembly...as a Cambodian do you want Cambodia to have such a current assembly or what? Of course, SRP has its shortcomings. For instance, its short of budget, human resources, and inconsistency of proper goal, policy and implementation. But the questions are pointing to you on how you can help improve and make a positive change in Cambodia? Mr. Timothy, Chun Chomleas and Kangaroo? KY On Nov 23, 9:16 pm, timothych...@aol.com wrote: Realistically speaking, every voter in Cambodia knew the Sam Rainsy Party well during the past elections. Although the CPP controlled the media, people had good ideas what Sam Rainsy and other opposition parties represented. They realized that there was an alternative to the CPP, but most of them saw little different between leaders of SRP and leaders of the CPP. They would rather be stuck with the devil that they already knew and had known for many years. I had no doubt that there were irregularities during the past election, I was there and saw
Re: Cambodia at the brink of self-suicide
Very true, imagine if someone has these three qualities, 3 in 1. He would have the power to move a mountain. On Nov 26, 6:06 pm, Ta Prum pru...@sbcglobal.net wrote: As I always encourage involvement and integration. There are only three ways we can help ourselves here and in Cambodia: 1- Financial success; therefore financial means to help 2 - Political success, therefore power to shape and help protect our community 3 - Intellectual success, therefore the power to shape the mind of those in power Perom Uch http://perom.businesscard2. com/http://www.thinkmassmedia.com/PUINT01.html --- On Wed, 11/25/09, starplatinum silenfo...@gmail.com wrote: From: starplatinum silenfo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Cambodia at the brink of self-suicide To: Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) -www.cambodia.org camdisc@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 6:30 PM There are people from overseas who have good intention of helping Cambodia. Once when you step foot there, the environment is a bit different. People from overseas think of change, however the people in Cambodia think of survival. There are four goals we can aim for… 1.short term 2.medium term 3.long term 4.unrealistic term Many Cambodians aim for short term which is survival, and medium term which is making money. For you KY, survival and making money is certain so you usually think of long term goal which is change. Change is something many Cambodians have giving up; can you talk them into it? The only you can change is yourself. I can’t change Cambodia either, but I change myself. If you can change yourself first, there is a chance that you might be able to change Cambodia to some degrees. To change yourself, you should realize your mind is not you, but part of you. You mind can help you and also trick you. We have two minds, the conscious mind and the subconscious mind. The conscious mind has it limitations, but the subconscious mind is not. The subconscious is the most powerful, which is like a God. There six laws of the mind. 1.thoughts are real forces 2.your mind is a sending and receiving station of thoughts 3.when you thoughts are emotionalized, it attracts similar thoughts 4.you can either entertain those thoughts that come to your mind or dismiss them 5.thoughts can be add or subtract from the mind 6.the inner and outer world are connected – the inner thoughts of your world and the outside circumstance of your situation are related To read a book about marital art will not change you into a martial art expert. To study and not do your homework will not help you to learn. If you want something and do not put exercise into it, it’s only a desire. If you write to change something and you do not put exercise into it, it’s only a desire. To know those six laws will do nothing to change you. To change you have to do practices or exercises. There many ways to do exercise, but I’m going to stop at this point. Just one point to remember is the outer world will change itself once the inner world is changed. On Nov 24, 6:06 pm, Khmer Young khmeryo...@gmail.com wrote: Just make it easier in putting your thought into Cambodia's fraudulent election: 1. Government control national budget, officers, staff and national assets to serve its interests and power 2. Every public servants has been overwhelmingly politicized. For instance, to be a teacher you have to register CPP's membership and get card, and pay 10% from monthly salary...it is not volunteerily paid but forcefully 3. National election committees are not independent 4. Cambodian farmers are intimidated by villages chiefs 5. Cambodian poor families and farmers are offered many things ( as a vote-buying) 6. Mass media is very unequal distributed 7. Fear impede the actual conscience of Cambodian people to vote 8. Others... Your perspective of who is like who is coming from those biased mass media. Of course because of the propaganda of politicians are the same: they need power in order to invest money is overwhelmingly bombarding Cambodian people and including you here who are also bombarded by that propaganda. With this propaganda, Cambodian voters realize that current national assembly is the dictatorship assembly...as a Cambodian do you want Cambodia to have such a current assembly or what? Of course, SRP has its shortcomings. For instance, its short of budget, human resources, and inconsistency of proper goal, policy and implementation. But the questions are pointing to you on how you can help improve and make a positive change in Cambodia? Mr. Timothy, Chun Chomleas and Kangaroo? KY On Nov 23, 9:16 pm, timothych...@aol.com wrote: Realistically speaking, every voter in Cambodia knew the Sam Rainsy Party well during the past elections. Although the CPP controlled the media, people had good ideas what
Re: Cambodia at the brink of self-suicide
There are people from overseas who have good intention of helping Cambodia. Once when you step foot there, the environment is a bit different. People from overseas think of change, however the people in Cambodia think of survival. There are four goals we can aim for… 1. short term 2. medium term 3. long term 4. unrealistic term Many Cambodians aim for short term which is survival, and medium term which is making money. For you KY, survival and making money is certain so you usually think of long term goal which is change. Change is something many Cambodians have giving up; can you talk them into it? The only you can change is yourself. I can’t change Cambodia either, but I change myself. If you can change yourself first, there is a chance that you might be able to change Cambodia to some degrees. To change yourself, you should realize your mind is not you, but part of you. You mind can help you and also trick you. We have two minds, the conscious mind and the subconscious mind. The conscious mind has it limitations, but the subconscious mind is not. The subconscious is the most powerful, which is like a God. There six laws of the mind. 1. thoughts are real forces 2. your mind is a sending and receiving station of thoughts 3. when you thoughts are emotionalized, it attracts similar thoughts 4. you can either entertain those thoughts that come to your mind or dismiss them 5. thoughts can be add or subtract from the mind 6. the inner and outer world are connected – the inner thoughts of your world and the outside circumstance of your situation are related To read a book about marital art will not change you into a martial art expert. To study and not do your homework will not help you to learn. If you want something and do not put exercise into it, it’s only a desire. If you write to change something and you do not put exercise into it, it’s only a desire. To know those six laws will do nothing to change you. To change you have to do practices or exercises. There many ways to do exercise, but I’m going to stop at this point. Just one point to remember is the outer world will change itself once the inner world is changed. On Nov 24, 6:06 pm, Khmer Young khmeryo...@gmail.com wrote: Just make it easier in putting your thought into Cambodia's fraudulent election: 1. Government control national budget, officers, staff and national assets to serve its interests and power 2. Every public servants has been overwhelmingly politicized. For instance, to be a teacher you have to register CPP's membership and get card, and pay 10% from monthly salary...it is not volunteerily paid but forcefully 3. National election committees are not independent 4. Cambodian farmers are intimidated by villages chiefs 5. Cambodian poor families and farmers are offered many things ( as a vote-buying) 6. Mass media is very unequal distributed 7. Fear impede the actual conscience of Cambodian people to vote 8. Others... Your perspective of who is like who is coming from those biased mass media. Of course because of the propaganda of politicians are the same: they need power in order to invest money is overwhelmingly bombarding Cambodian people and including you here who are also bombarded by that propaganda. With this propaganda, Cambodian voters realize that current national assembly is the dictatorship assembly...as a Cambodian do you want Cambodia to have such a current assembly or what? Of course, SRP has its shortcomings. For instance, its short of budget, human resources, and inconsistency of proper goal, policy and implementation. But the questions are pointing to you on how you can help improve and make a positive change in Cambodia? Mr. Timothy, Chun Chomleas and Kangaroo? KY On Nov 23, 9:16 pm, timothych...@aol.com wrote: Realistically speaking, every voter in Cambodia knew the Sam Rainsy Party well during the past elections. Although the CPP controlled the media, people had good ideas what Sam Rainsy and other opposition parties represented. They realized that there was an alternative to the CPP, but most of them saw little different between leaders of SRP and leaders of the CPP. They would rather be stuck with the devil that they already knew and had known for many years. I had no doubt that there were irregularities during the past election, I was there and saw them all. The oppositions campaigned real hard regarding the issues of Vietnamese encroachment, illegal immigration and corruption. However, the majority of the people still voted for the CPP regardless. Many people failed to see the Vietnamese threat as their main concern or as evil enough for them to risk their life to vote for the alternative. There were not enough people who truly thought that the issues were serious enough to change their vote. The oppositions would get some additional seats, but given the current
Re: Vietnam eyes rubber
I have to say that US$600 million is not much as it’s only printed papers. The Chinese tried to throw away billions in US dollars by trying to buy mines in Australia. It’s was blocked. Sooner or later the US currency will have no value and the real values are the investment properties. While the Thais seen as the bad guys or bad flavors of the year, it making the real bad guys looks less and they know that. Now they are taking advantages large investments in Cambodia while Cambodia isn’t looking behind its back and down its feet. While the country are occupying with the Thais are an unrealistic enemy, their real adversary is gathering harvests under the Cambodians’ feet. On Nov 24, 12:03 am, timothych...@aol.com wrote: Vietnam eyes rubber Monday, 23 November 2009 15:00 Chun Sophal VIETNAMESE firms have invested US$600 million in Cambodia’s rubber sector this year, according the head of a consortium representing 14 companies from across the border. Leng Rithy, the leading representative of the Vietnam Rubber Group in Cambodia, said Sunday that the capital has gone to plantations in Kratie, Kampong Thom, Preah Vihear, Ratanakkiri and Mondulkiri provinces, and more Vietnamese companies want to invest in the Kingdom. “We will have planted rubber trees on 100,000 hectares of land concessions from the government by 2012, and 10 processing plants will be built to produce dry rubber for exports to international markets,” he said. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. To post to this group, send email to camdisc@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to camdisc-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc Learn more - http://www.cambodia.org
Re: In many ways Thaksin, Hun Sen are political clones
Chhim, thanks for posting the latest news, this article is exceptional good to read. - Hun Sen is “the village tyrant” - Hun Sen is the Robert Mugabe of Asia - Hun Sen is the big bully of Cambodia - Hun Sen is just common crooks and criminals with self-perceived class These are the qualities Kangaroo and his mate Neak Kampuchea have a high regard for and hero worship. One man loves Hun Sen to exterminate it so it can become part of Thailand, while another man loves Hun Sen to exterminate it so it can become part of Vietnam. What’s happening to some people in this world? Do they inherited an evil or just mentally retard? On Nov 16, 8:35 pm, timothych...@aol.com wrote: _http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009/11/17/opinion/opinion_30116712.php_ (http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009/11/17/opinion/opinion_30116712.php) Opinion SIDELINES In many ways Thaksin, Hun Sen are political clones Published on November 17, 2009 IF fugitive Thaksin Shinawatra is predictable in any way, it is that he never admits any wrongdoing. Call it a sense of survival or deniability. It just does not make any difference. In his own view, he is a man who does no wrong. Shortly after somebody hurled a grenade into the rally site of the People's Alliance for Democracy on Sunday night, causing several injuries, Thaksin wrote on Twitter that he had nothing to do with the act. But nobody had yet to accuse him of anything. It was the purpose of deniability, all the same. There was something quite odd about the content of his denial. He was profusely forceful in the message that such an act should be condemned, and that he professed a peaceful path in dealing with conflicts. Such comments are alien to the nature of a man who made rousing speeches instigating red shirts to create havoc in Bangkok during the last Songkran festival. Or is it because he does not want Thais to forget him so quickly that he must get himself in the news by whatever means? Of course, nobody would imagine that it was his hand that triggered the attack after jetting away from Cambodian soil a day earlier. His habits show. Thaksin is a man who sees an opportunity in any crisis. The number of people killed or injured by whatever cause won't trouble his conscience, judging from the thousands of victims murdered by the police during his war against drugs several years ago. In that war, he claimed heroic deeds were done, though many of the victims were killed mercilessly and without recourse to justice. Investigations moving at a snail's pace have yielded nothing substantive, failing to punish any culprits. But the crisis Thaksin has created in souring relations between Thailand and Cambodia continues to raise doubts as to the consequences. Big bully Hun Sen still enjoys one-upmanship when he deals with Prime Minister Abhisit. It's like a cat and mouse game, and he knows well that he looks like a villain in the eyes of the international community. Why did Thaksin leave in a hurry despite his earlier hints that he might stay on for a few more days in Cambodia? The country serves as a safe refuge despite a Thai request for his extradition to serve his two-year jail term. He must have sensed something quite eerie during his presence. The boastful style, being Mr Know All in giving a lecture on Thaksinomics for 300-plus Cambodian economic planners and businessmen - failed to make a positive impression on the doubting Cambodians, who have never trusted Thais during our long and sometimes bitter history. Thaksin might not be sure that Hun Sen still has a firm control now that the conflict with Thailand has escalated and that Cambodian people stand to suffer - especially if the border is closed. With casinos counting less revenue from Thai gamblers, the financial fortunes of Hun Sen also dwindle. Surely not all the smiles directed at Thaksin during his stay as an adviser to the Cambodian government were genuine. The Cambodians too know the art of hiding long fangs; they went through a long and bloody civil war when they murdered one another in the killing fields. That brutality ranks not far behind the Nazi holocaust. Some Cambodians such as Sam Rainsy view Thaksin as an opportunist who likes to fish in somebody else's pond and troubled waters if he can make some money. The opposition leader had his parliamentary privilege revoked yesterday, and that will cause more resentment towards Hun Sen among Cambodians. Deep in his heart, Thaksin realises that he is the cause of these worsening diplomatic ties. Hun Sen took the matter personally due to the stake he has with Thaksin in oil and gas ventures offshore, and other spoils they intend to share. Cambodia will be a land of opportunity for Thaksin unless the people rise against the village tyrant who has ruled the country for 24
Re: Cambodia is approaching to prostrate Vietnam under Hun Sen leadership
The majority are doing very well, there is no for you to make it more majority. When you have $150,000,000 in your bank, it is rich indeed. If I give you an extra $2,000,000, it would not make you any richer, would it? However, the $2,000,000 means a lot to a minority. It’s the jobs of the strong to look after the weak, the poor and the minorities. It’s the ugly at ones who usually do the opposite. On Nov 14, 8:00 am, Neak Kampuchea kampuchun2...@yahoo.com wrote: we the people of internet understand very well what all gentlemen politicians are doing for. But reality is not politics, so please are you willing to survire on minority side for ever wouldn't you?If no why don't you choose the wright thing to say for achiveing majority? On Nov 13, 10:30 am, kangaroo therabbitn...@netscape.net wrote: Cambodians joining Vietnamese as a nation is one idea. But it's a greater idea yet when Cambodians join Thai people as one nation under the great institution called the Kingdom of Thailand. On Nov 12, 7:24 pm, Khmer Young khmeryo...@gmail.com wrote: Cambodia is approaching to prostrate Vietnam under Hun Sen leadershiphttp://cambodianbrightfuture.blogspot.com/2009/11/cambodia-is-approac... Political Analysis: Op-Ed: Khmer Young http://cambodianbrightfuture.blogspot.com/ CPP is expecting to divert attention of Cambodian people via its scheme with Thailand and its dominate and biased mass media. But border issue with Vietnam is neglected by the CPP. Not that only neglegence, CPP is moving ahead according to what Vietnamese leader acquired, to sue and lift immunity of Sam Rainsy. We can see that what Hun Sen said Khmer is one is contradict because under CPP, in order to comply with Vietnam's order, this party can do anything including to jail or kill our Khmer nationals. Hun Sen has learned a relevant diplomatic speech http://ki-media.blogspot.com/2009/11/hun-sen-and-thaksin-press-confer...but it seems helpful only to those Cambodian farmers and less educated people to believe in him. Important thing, Hun Sen still need to clearly answer the hidden multi-purposes in welcoming and appointing Thaksin as advisor. Whenever Cambodia and Thailand conflict accelerated, Vietnam can strengthen its hegemony over Cambodia unavoidably. To serve the interests of Cambodia, Hun Sen has to balance the political weigh between Thailand and Vietnam. But I am saddened when Cambodia and Thailand government has skyrocketed enmity with each other. But Cambodia-Vietnam relationship is increasingly bolstered. Hun Sen said Khmers have only one color now is Khmer. But according to this speechhttp://ki-media.blogspot.com/2009/11/hun-sen-and-thaksin-press-confer..., Hun Sen has created only CPP color but condemn other. CPP color is likely Vietnamese by nature. CPP is undeniably under pressure of Vietnam as Hun Sen is proceeding to implement this policy. CPP is strengthening its close relationship with Thaksin party in order to fight against Abhisit party. With this act, it benefits a lot for Vietnam, not for Cambodia. Worse than that, Hun Sen and CPP is not reluctantly proceeding the propose of Vietnam to sue Sam Rainsy to their biased court regarding Sam Rainsy's concern of border poles planted in Cambodian farmers at Svay Rieng. Var Kimhong is afraid of losing his face about this poles planting in Cambodian farmer land, or his mentality might already sell to Vietnam or he is Vietnamese (who know?). He accepted to follow the complex GIS procedure of border map by neglecting the complaints of Cambodian farmers who lost their land in this border demarcation procedure. Have you seen any GIS map that Cambodian border poles are planting in Vietnamese farms? Vietnam has overwhelmingly stepped over Cambodian head to proceed its successful hegemony and neo-imperialistic domination over Cambodia. King Sihanouk's letter is seems neglected by Var Kimhong. What Var Kinhong will do next is to maintain face of himself and CPP by allowing Vietnam encroaching Cambodian farmers' land and utilize its strategy of divide and conquer in Cambodia. CPP is approaching its end-dead as usual for their fear of Vietnam and autocratic leadership of Hun Sen. Sam Rainsy might face with Cambodian biased court and immunity lifting of hi parliamentary shell. But this time, Sam Rainsy will become an hero of Cambodia and Cambodian people will vote for SRP to take turn in serving Cambodia nation. CPP is expecting to divert attention of Cambodian people via its scheme with Thailand and its dominate and biased mass media. But border issue with Vietnam is neglected by the CPP. Not that only neglegence, CPP is moving ahead according to what Vietnamese leader acquired, to sue and lift immunity of Sam Rainsy. We can see that what Hun Sen
Re: Thailand-Cambodia dispute: Key points
Your thoughts are thoughts of self destruct when you want to eliminate Cambodia. I hope my respond to you will not amplify your emotional thought of harming yourself. On Nov 12, 12:27 pm, kangaroo therabbitn...@netscape.net wrote: Here is what I think. Cambodians should join hands with Thai people as one nation called THE KINGDOM OF THAILAND. Cambodians have been suffered enough from their own people in their own country. It is time for them to find ways so they can bring peace and prosperity for their own future generation. Joining Thailand as one nation is a great idea. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. To post to this group, send email to camdisc@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to camdisc-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc Learn more - http://www.cambodia.org
Re: Thailand-Cambodia dispute: Key points
What a great though you have, peace and prosperity by eliminate Cambodia and its people. If you can bring peace and prosperity by eliminate yourself, you should prove it first, and then people would believe you. On Nov 13, 5:03 am, kangaroo therabbitn...@netscape.net wrote: On Nov 12, 4:27 am, starplatinum silenfo...@gmail.com wrote: Your thoughts are thoughts of self destruct when you want to eliminate Cambodia. I hope my respond to you will not amplify your emotional thought of harming yourself. My friend, You can agree and disagree. My writing is coming from me. You can take it or loose it. Perhaps, you are trying to steer the subject to something else, me in particular. That's fine. But I would like to steer you back to the subject. Perhaps, you can give us your view on it. The Cambodian people have been suffered enough from the hansds of their own people. They destroy their own country and killed their people all the way to ground zero. No one had ever done before in the world history. Do you think that those people still deserve to exist? Read the writings including yours. What does it show you? That's right. You would see QUERRELs among Cambodians of different ideologies. You see before your eyes. Why do you think that Cambodians are still good. My view is very clear to end the suffering of human beings, Cambodians in particular. So I suggest that Cambodians should joint Thailand as one country called the Kingdom of Thailand so the people can have true peace to themselves and prosperity as the Thai people have under the leadership of Thai monarchy. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. To post to this group, send email to camdisc@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to camdisc-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc Learn more - http://www.cambodia.org
Re: October 23rd, 1991: Date of Khmer lost their land for ever.
Don’t be silly. As long as the bodies of powerful UN, US, China and Russia exist, Cambodia is continuing to exist. It’s their jobs to monitor bigger nations do not take over small nations. I know Cambodia have had bad experience in the past. Without the UN a powerful nation wants to invade a weaker nation, that’s why we had WW111. Most people in this forum are being self-hypnosis by Bury Chau. His materials are dangerous to read, he is mostly concentrated on blames and self destruction, like most of his supporters. I remembered a couple of years ago when I raised this issue, some of his supporters viciously attacked me in cold blood. Despite that I still firmly am standing in my position. Some young Cambodians go online to look for interesting topics on Cambodia to enhance their self image just to meet his madman Bury Chau preaching and creating endless lies that Cambodians are inferior, stupid, loser, and dumb, every day for over 20 years. New comers come in and left worst off and confused than ever before. It’s of a little wonder Cambodians are confusing people. Compare to a great country like Japan, it accidentally liberated South East Asia from Western colonization was far greater than it lost the war. However, Japan does not teach about their lost in WW11 to their children. Lots of forums have people from other countries of different background for discussion, but here, this sadistic madman Bury is monopolizing Camdisc. On Oct 23, 1:29 am, In Camdisc incamd...@yahoo.com wrote: Many people are celebrating October 23rd, 1991 as peaceful day or peace treaty. For me , I called October 3rd, 1991 is the day that Khmer were lost their land for ever, and it is just like Kampuchea Krom and the October 23rd, 1991 is the sad day for Khmer race , which became the minority in their land. Savun --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. To post to this group, send email to camdisc@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to camdisc-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc Learn more - http://www.cambodia.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: POLNEWS IN CAMBODIA OCCUPIED BY VIETNAM IN VIOLATION OF 10 UN RESOLUTIONS
A pack of lies, the occupation of Cambodia was from 1979 to 1993, and ended in 1993. The occupation of Cambodia is in your brain or mentally sick mind. The entire government officials are Khmers. The entire government officials they send to oversea each year are all Khmers. All the people work at various embassies in oversea countries oversea Khmers. You are the only Yuon here. On Sep 2, 3:14 am, Bury Chau chaub...@hotmail.com wrote: TO UNDERSTAND THE VIETNAMESE LIES READ THIS . UN Passes Strong Resolution on Cambodia Human Rights Abuses Feb. 27, 1982 : UN Commission on Human Rights meeting in Geneva adopted a resolution condemning Vietnam's occupation of Cambodia as a violation of Cambodian human rights. The vote was 28 in favor, 8 against, and 5 abstentions. Oct. 21, 1986 The UN General Assembly adopted a resolution A/RES/41/6, by vote of 116-21 with 13 abstentions, calling for a withdrawal of Vietnamese forces from Cambodia. Kaing Kek Iev, aka Duch, was arrested in 1999. According to the Morphology study on race and forensic data analysis ,Kaing Kek Iev, aka Duch is A VIETNAMESE. 100 TORTURE CENTERS across CAMBODIA. Vietnam's occupation of Cambodia 1979-1989 under Le Duc Tho rule. An estimated 460 000 innocent Cambodians died , killed , tortured, etc... 100 Torture centers were established across Cambodia. (Methods of torture described to Amnesty International). Methods of torture described to Amnesty International as being used by the Vietnamese forces of invasion and occupation of Cambodia under Le Duc Tho's rule, from 1979-1989, through the CPP/HUN SEN regime.( an estimated 460 000 innocent Cambodians died during that period) 1. Beatings with truncheons, sharp-edged wooden staves, and iron bars and whippings with chains and rubber hoses.( Methods of torture described to Amnesty International) 2. Near-suffocation with plastic bags,( Methods of torture described to Amnesty International) 3. Near-drowning in vats of water,( Methods of torture described to Amnesty International(Methods of torture described to Amnesty International) 4. Burial alive, and(Methods of torture described to Amnesty International) 5. Forced ingestion of irritant liquids have also been reported to the organization ( Amnesty International report) 6. Electric shocks .In addition, former prisoners have testified that their interrogators administered electric shocks,( Methods of torture described to Amnesty International) 7.Burned them with hot irons, and (Methods of torture described to Amnesty International) 8.Forced them into petrol drums, which were then covered and repeatedly struck from the outside. The high noise level causes pain and disorientation. (Methods of torture described to Amnesty International). FOR CAMBODIA ? Vietnam, has not respected the UN CHARTER, the Paris Peace agreement with the US . A.. VIETNAM INVASION AND OCCUPATION OF CAMBODIA 1978-2009. December 25, 1978 Invasion of Cambodia. Some 100,000 Vietnamese with 20,000 KUFNS troops, under the direction of Gen. Van Tien Dung, launch an invasion of Cambodia. B.. CHINESE INVASION OF VIETNAM (SHORT) Feb.. 17, 1979 Teaching a lesson. Some 170,000 Chinese troops with 700 warplanes, and 250-300 tanks launched an invasion of Vietnam to punish it for invading of Cambodia. THE WORDS OF THE VIETNAMESE ARE PURE LIES : Study these words made by by PHAM VAN DONG, the Prime Minister of North Vietnam, his public statement, his promises made to Prince Sihanouk and his orders to launch an invasion of Cambodia. It reflects the Vietnamese culture of lies. It reflects also the Vietnamese race and national character based on dishonesty ,deception , and pure lies. . VIETNAM WORDS OF LIES : June 8, 1967 North VN PM Pham Van Dong makes a declaration of recognizing Cambodian independence, neutrality, sovereignty and territorial integrity. The declaration makes in response to Prince Sihanouk s appeal for the recognition and respect of Cambodia s territorial integrity. VIETNAM CRIMES AGAINST CAMBODIA : VIETNAM INVASION OF CAMBODIA 1978. Dec. 25, 1978 PM Pham Van Dong launched an invasion of Cambodia. Some 100,000 Vietnamese with 20,000 KUFNS troops, under the direction of Gen.Van Tien Dung, launch an invasion of Cambodia. VIETNAM OCCUPATION OF CAMBODIA : Under Vietnam occupation of Cambodia in 10 years 1979-1989 : Under Le Duc Tho rule alone 1979-1989 an estimate 460 000 innocent Cambodian had died through TORTURE, BURIED ALIVE, SIMPLE EXECUTION, foced labor,famine ,stravation, malnutrition and sponsor starvation by the CPP regime recorded by Amnestry international and others. IT CONFIRMS BY THIS BOOK : on the behavior and character of a Vietnamese. BOOK GIAI PHONG by T Terzani. It describes a Vietnamese as THIEF, A LIAR, A KILLER, A DECEIVER , a sleeper .. And this proof shows how 116 UN member countries condemned the Vietnamese
Re: Characteristic and quality of Cambodian leaders
KY, I don’t think Hun Sen cannot follow the footstep of Duch. In the past Cambodia was in the dark which the world could not see those dictators. Now with the high speed of information such as the Internet and other real-time information dictators have been discouraged greatly. They can’t do this without getting punish quickly. Hun Sen can be ruthless words, his deed is not anymore. He is not a builder of Cambodia, but this country has more freedom than in the US. sf11 On Aug 19, 1:02 pm, Khmer Young khmeryo...@gmail.com wrote: Characteristic and quality of Cambodian leadershttp://cambodianbrightfuture.blogspot.com/2009/08/characteristic-and-... http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_jVCbxaOxjhA/SoqEmyi1bBI/AS0/eUq7V2n... You see the characteristic and public speech, Hun Sen and Duch have shared close similarity such as: very eloquently, straight forwards, powerfully and commandingly. This picture illustrates some aspects of Cambodian leaders' characteristic and quality: while they are having power, they can make every one laugh with a goosebumps and scary tone, but when they are powerless they can accept guilty and accept to death by stoning. Hun Sen and Duch have become good case study for this astonishing thought of ours. When Hun Sen lost election for Funcipec in 1993, he was very humble and very pitiful, but when he can consolidate the power like nowadays, he can use every game he want to play: via through his court (sue me and countersue you), or through military (I can sweep you out from Phnom Penh in 2 hours). In contrast, Duch confess his guilty and accept to death by stoning. But we don't know how will Hun Sen change his ruthless characteristic? Next 5 years, 10 years, or he will be in the situation like Duch, or after his life ended? You see the characteristic and public speech, Hun Sen and Duch have shared close similarity such as: very eloquently, straight forwards, powerfully and commandingly. As the outcome, we can conclude that these two leaders are very good in taming his own Cambodian people in expressing both cruelty and confession. Question and quiz for younger Cambodian like me and others: we want to know how many more Cambodian leaders who have shared this characteristics? When these groups of leader will be retired or died, and younger generation of Cambodia like me and others can take turn to refurbish or change this ruthless characteristics? Please, help me answer this question! KY -- Cambodian Brighter Future depends on enduring conscience and tireless strivings of Cambodian Younger Generation!http://cambodianbrightfuture.blogspot.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. To post to this group, send email to camdisc@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to camdisc-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc Learn more - http://www.cambodia.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Characteristic and quality of Cambodian leaders
Kangaroo, You are not listening and only interested in shooting your points across. If you are in Cambodia and have a gun, you would have shoot KY and other people who do not agree with you. It’s a typical Cambodian style. If you are not part of the people who kill each other, why you not go and post at a place who loves each other? If you want to kill Sam Rainsy, go and do it yourself. You can’t expect KY to do it for you because he is living in the US and probably in the same state as you do. KY did not say you have to or should do anything in Cambodia. Go reread, rethink about it and you will see the word “WISH” to do something good. sf11 On Aug 20, 2:48 pm, kangaroo therabbitn...@netscape.net wrote: On Aug 20, 1:57 am, Khmer Young khmeryo...@gmail.com wrote: But you have posted here tremendously...this is what? Are you trying to say that I am supposed to do something with the people who kill each other? By the way, is this about me now? Remember what I've said about the typical Cambodian behavior. This is what I was talking about. On Aug 19, 7:07 pm, kangaroo therabbitn...@netscape.net wrote: Ask that question to the Cambodian people. I have no desire to do anything for Cambodia. Don't think that I have anything to do with Cambodia. Rethink about it. On Aug 19, 12:45 pm, Khmer Young khmeryo...@gmail.com wrote: So you just follow those low class home-made products in Cambodia or you wish to fix or refurbish it? Curious! On Aug 19, 6:33 am, kangaroo therabbitn...@netscape.net wrote: Have you ever looked back at the history of Cambodia? Look at Sihanouk, Lon Nol, Pol Pot, Heng Samrin, Hun Sen. What are you seeing? Can't you just say that THEY ARE MADE IN CAMBODIA? On Aug 19, 4:02 am, Khmer Young khmeryo...@gmail.com wrote: Characteristic and quality of Cambodian leadershttp://cambodianbrightfuture.blogspot.com/2009/08/characteristic-and-... http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_jVCbxaOxjhA/SoqEmyi1bBI/AS0/eUq7V2n... You see the characteristic and public speech, Hun Sen and Duch have shared close similarity such as: very eloquently, straight forwards, powerfully and commandingly. This picture illustrates some aspects of Cambodian leaders' characteristic and quality: while they are having power, they can make every one laugh with a goosebumps and scary tone, but when they are powerless they can accept guilty and accept to death by stoning. Hun Sen and Duch have become good case study for this astonishing thought of ours. When Hun Sen lost election for Funcipec in 1993, he was very humble and very pitiful, but when he can consolidate the power like nowadays, he can use every game he want to play: via through his court (sue me and countersue you), or through military (I can sweep you out from Phnom Penh in 2 hours). In contrast, Duch confess his guilty and accept to death by stoning. But we don't know how will Hun Sen change his ruthless characteristic? Next 5 years, 10 years, or he will be in the situation like Duch, or after his life ended? You see the characteristic and public speech, Hun Sen and Duch have shared close similarity such as: very eloquently, straight forwards, powerfully and commandingly. As the outcome, we can conclude that these two leaders are very good in taming his own Cambodian people in expressing both cruelty and confession. Question and quiz for younger Cambodian like me and others: we want to know how many more Cambodian leaders who have shared this characteristics? When these groups of leader will be retired or died, and younger generation of Cambodia like me and others can take turn to refurbish or change this ruthless characteristics? Please, help me answer this question! KY -- Cambodian Brighter Future depends on enduring conscience and tireless strivings of Cambodian Younger Generation!http://cambodianbrightfuture.blogspot.com-Hidequotedtext - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. To post to this group, send email to camdisc@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to camdisc-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc Learn more - http://www.cambodia.org
Henry Kissinger, the Vietnam’s War and the affects on Cambodia
The war one side involved South Vietnam, United States (helped by Australia) and the other side involved North Vietnam (helped by Russia China). The Cold War between the Soviet Union and the United States made the Communist country very closed with the Middle East. The Middle East conflict during the 1970s between the Arab world and Israel worried Henry Kissinger significantly as the Soviet Union was providing the Arab world with increasing firepower that would finally defeat Israel. Should Henry Kissinger act as a Jewish or American? Option 1: Bring a victory to the United States and defeat to Israel Option 2: Bring a defeat to the United States and victory to Israel. He acted on Option 2 to save Israel, but brought shamed to the United States and destructions to Cambodia. The defeated of United States in Vietnam was plot by Kissinger to pull the American troop out the war. There was a secret deal that has never been revealed to the public and will never do so to avoid backlash on the Jewish people in America and Kissinger himself. The secret deal made between Kissinger and the Soviet Union was the United States was to pull its troops out of South Vietnam and the Soviet Union was to stop arming the Arab world. If the US did not pull its troops out from South Vietnam 1975, the Khmer Rogue would never come to power in Cambodia in 1975. Kissinger’s decision still affecting Cambodia badly and cost over two millions Khmers lives and the country has not fully recovered yet. sf11 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. To post to this group, send email to camdisc@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to camdisc-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc Learn more - http://www.cambodia.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PM warns opponents away from lawsuits
Interesting article Tim, there was no thank god he won the case. It seems he expected and demanded to win the lawsuite plus the coming two elections. Mu Sochua's battle with him was a good one for the publics to see the darkness side of Hun Sen. He is over arrogant, confident and he thinks he can live forever. He won the case, but his speeches will bring him down in popularity to his donors when he said he is able to silence all the oppositions in just 2 hours, meaning to forces to arrest them when he said forget about run hide. He is untouchable, the United Nations should abandon the election monitors process as Hun Sen is giving a hint that he will forces to rule even he lose an election. sf11 On Aug 13, 7:15 pm, timothych...@aol.com wrote: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxrDjmeQqGI_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxrDjmeQqGI) PM warns opponents away from lawsuits Thursday, 13 August 2009 15:04 Meas Sokchea (http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php/component/option,com_mailto/li... 5hbC1uZXdzL3BtLXdhcm5zLW9wcG9uZW50cy1hd2F5LWZyb20tbGF3c3VpdHMuaHRtbA==/tmpl , component/) (http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php/2009081327732/National-news/pm...) (http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php/pdf/2009081327732/National-new... y-from-lawsuits.pdf) Photo by: Sovan Philong Hun Sen appearing at a graduation ceremony on Wednesday. Hun Sen says verdict against Mu Sochua a lesson to critics. PRIME Minister Hun Sen has spoken out for the first time about his recent legal victory over opposition lawmaker Mu Sochua, which he said should serve as a warning to anyone else who might consider suing him. If you want to play legal games, I will also play legal games, he said during a graduation ceremony at the Royal University of Law and Economics on Wednesday. If you play political games, I will also play political games. And if you play military games, I will also play military games. Hun Sen said he would be able to silence all opposition voices in only two hours if he decided to use force rather than file complaints in court. You wouldn't be able to run, he said. All of you would be arrested. On August 4, Phnom Penh Municipal Court found Mu Sochua guilty of defamation and ordered her to pay 8.5 million riels (US$2,028) in fines and 8 million riels ($1,909) in compensation to the prime minister. The case stemmed from a speech Hun Sen gave on April 4 in Kampot province. Mu Sochua, a Sam Rainsy Party parliamentarian, said the premier made derogatory references to her in the speech and filed defamation charges against him. Her case was thrown out, but Hun Sen's countersuit was allowed to proceed, resulting in last week's verdict. The prime minister's legal attack - along with other defamation suits launched against the government's critics - drew sharp criticism from a number of groups, including the European Union, which said they represented a weakening of democracy in Cambodia. External groups, please listen closely, Hun Sen said during Wednesday's address. If you do not sue me, then I will not file a countersuit. Hun Sen went on to criticise civil society groups as servants and spokespeople for opposition political parties. Commenting on the current Cambodian People's Party majority in the National Assembly, which was further cemented during last year's elections, Hun Sen said he could continue serving as prime minister even if the CPP lost 10 seats in both the 2012 and 2017 elections. So, all of you opposition groups, check your age, he said. However long you can live, I can accompany you to the end. Strong reaction Hun Sen's comments drew criticism from both opposition politicians and civil society actors. SRP lawmaker and spokesman Yim Sovann said it was inappropriate for the premier to talk about using the military against the opposition. If he wants to use the armed forces to fight a broader enemy, that is fine, but to fight opposition parties is not right, he said. Human Rights Party President Kem Sokha said there were many issues - including poverty, land disputes and corruption - that could potentially bring down the CPP so long as elections were free and fair. Whether the CPP wins or loses depends on the election system, he said. Yeng Virak, executive director of the Community Legal Education Centre, said Hun Sen's comments about civil society groups misrepresented their work in Cambodia. We have worked with everyone, he said. We have worked with the ruling party more than the opposition party. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. To post to this group, send email to
Re: PM warns opponents away from lawsuits
Interesting article Tim, there was no thank god he won the case. It seems he expected and demanded to win the lawsuite plus the coming two elections. Mu Sochua's battle with him was a good one for the publics to see the darkness side of Hun Sen. He is over arrogant, confident and he thinks he can live forever. He won the case, but his speeches will bring him down in popularity to his donors when he said he is able to silence all the oppositions in just 2 hours, meaning to forces to arrest them when he said forget about run hide. He is untouchable, the United Nations should abandon the election monitors process as Hun Sen is giving a hint that he will forces to rule even he lose an election. sf11 On Aug 13, 7:15 pm, timothych...@aol.com wrote: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxrDjmeQqGI_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxrDjmeQqGI) PM warns opponents away from lawsuits Thursday, 13 August 2009 15:04 Meas Sokchea (http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php/component/option,com_mailto/li... 5hbC1uZXdzL3BtLXdhcm5zLW9wcG9uZW50cy1hd2F5LWZyb20tbGF3c3VpdHMuaHRtbA==/tmpl , component/) (http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php/2009081327732/National-news/pm...) (http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php/pdf/2009081327732/National-new... y-from-lawsuits.pdf) Photo by: Sovan Philong Hun Sen appearing at a graduation ceremony on Wednesday. Hun Sen says verdict against Mu Sochua a lesson to critics. PRIME Minister Hun Sen has spoken out for the first time about his recent legal victory over opposition lawmaker Mu Sochua, which he said should serve as a warning to anyone else who might consider suing him. If you want to play legal games, I will also play legal games, he said during a graduation ceremony at the Royal University of Law and Economics on Wednesday. If you play political games, I will also play political games. And if you play military games, I will also play military games. Hun Sen said he would be able to silence all opposition voices in only two hours if he decided to use force rather than file complaints in court. You wouldn't be able to run, he said. All of you would be arrested. On August 4, Phnom Penh Municipal Court found Mu Sochua guilty of defamation and ordered her to pay 8.5 million riels (US$2,028) in fines and 8 million riels ($1,909) in compensation to the prime minister. The case stemmed from a speech Hun Sen gave on April 4 in Kampot province. Mu Sochua, a Sam Rainsy Party parliamentarian, said the premier made derogatory references to her in the speech and filed defamation charges against him. Her case was thrown out, but Hun Sen's countersuit was allowed to proceed, resulting in last week's verdict. The prime minister's legal attack - along with other defamation suits launched against the government's critics - drew sharp criticism from a number of groups, including the European Union, which said they represented a weakening of democracy in Cambodia. External groups, please listen closely, Hun Sen said during Wednesday's address. If you do not sue me, then I will not file a countersuit. Hun Sen went on to criticise civil society groups as servants and spokespeople for opposition political parties. Commenting on the current Cambodian People's Party majority in the National Assembly, which was further cemented during last year's elections, Hun Sen said he could continue serving as prime minister even if the CPP lost 10 seats in both the 2012 and 2017 elections. So, all of you opposition groups, check your age, he said. However long you can live, I can accompany you to the end. Strong reaction Hun Sen's comments drew criticism from both opposition politicians and civil society actors. SRP lawmaker and spokesman Yim Sovann said it was inappropriate for the premier to talk about using the military against the opposition. If he wants to use the armed forces to fight a broader enemy, that is fine, but to fight opposition parties is not right, he said. Human Rights Party President Kem Sokha said there were many issues - including poverty, land disputes and corruption - that could potentially bring down the CPP so long as elections were free and fair. Whether the CPP wins or loses depends on the election system, he said. Yeng Virak, executive director of the Community Legal Education Centre, said Hun Sen's comments about civil society groups misrepresented their work in Cambodia. We have worked with everyone, he said. We have worked with the ruling party more than the opposition party. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. To post to this group, send email to
Re: Political confrontation continues
Sacravatoons, I understood your point of view. At the time, Prince Ranaridth won the election and Sam Rainsy was not a contender for the election. Ranaridth compromised and became the 1st prime minister and Hun Sen became the 2nd prime minister, unheard of in the history of any election. As soon as Ranaridth’s father disappeared to China, his power disappeared as well. This man’s popularity came directly from his father, without him, he was as weak as weasel. That was how Hun Sen came into power. The scenario is Hun Sen could easily win one of the coming elections even he wasn’t the 2nd prime minister. Prince Ranaridth and his father Norodom Sihanouk, like father like son, both are as dumb as a donkey [excuse me if I offended anyone]. At least the father has a lot of charismas, the son has none. sf11 On Aug 12, 7:06 pm, sacravatoons sacravato...@optusnet.com.au wrote: As we speak, Hun Sen is (and has been) the real ruler in Cambodia. Cambodians deserve him, according to the last poll accepted by all political parties and international community. In fact, the whole world is dealing with him regardless. Don't get Hun Sen off the hook and blame the Vietnamese: he is the Cambodian ruler. Is Hun Xen a real Leader in Cambodia,isn't he ? Ok ,we should go back to year of UNTAC's Election,1993.Khmer people had decided to kick CPP of Yuon-Hanoi out from the power. But CPP and Hun Xen had theaten to return Cambodia to chaos war...And we all know after the first Election which was helped by UNTAC, the second ,the third. until the last election in 2008 was controlled 100% by CPP's Tool,NEC. Cambodians deserve to having the Good Khmer-Leader, not a dumb one like Hun Xen. And Yuon-Hanoi had chosen a few Dumpests to oppress khmer-People such Heng Xamrin as the Top Law maker (?),Chea Xim , the President of Khmer-Senator (?). Do you think Cambodians deserve them ?...or they are just the Yuon-Hanoi's puppet ? Page 80, UNTAC in Cambodia by Caroline Hughes The royal government of Cambodia The impact on Human Rights Immediately after the Elections in May 1993, a process of jockeying for power began which saw an attempted secession by CPP leaders in the eastern provinces threaten to return Cambodia to chaos and war...more details pls go to :http://books.google.com.au/books?id=7JtWLcNBt4ACpg=PA80lpg=PA80dq=... Members of opposition parties work with him and his colleagues every day. Many officials of the oppositions do business with members of Hun Sen's party--the CPP. What do we call people who work with the Vietnamese puppet? Any name? Opportunists, maybe? See this is an ignorant question. My answer : Did I have to call myself a Khmer Rouge who was living under Pol Pot regime ? They have to live and survive under the oppression of the evilly regime of Yuon-Hanoi's lackey. Sometime they have to live and to fight for another day.so we have to live as the Grass is flexible to adapted the big WIND. I call them : the Survivors .cuz they live there.They cannot go back to the safe heaven like us,America or Australia. They cannot to winging winging even they disappointed of something. What do we call members of the oppositions who work for the government of Cambodia ruled by Hun Sen? The puppet's employees? See, you do not understand their lives there...even you were toured a few months as a Tourist-Candidate of HRP. I call them : Khmer-Heroes who are sruggling to fight what they belive in their heart .They wait . What do we call all members of Cambodian congress and Senate which are chaired by Heng Samrin and Chea Sim? I call them : The Policians .and the Politichiens As I said Heng Xamrin Chea Xin are not the rulers...but Yuon-Hanoi's Puppets. Do Khmer People deserve to having them as the Law Makers of Cambodia ? Yuon have chesen them as their Puppets to collaborate for the accomplishment of Ho's Indochinese Federation. What do we call those millions of voters who voted for the CPP? Puppet's kisser? See,you never understand the FEAR the INTIMIDATION under the communist regime of Yuon-Hanoi its Puppets. During the Democratic Kampuchea of Khmer Rouge regime,in March 20 1976.I had have to vote among more than 10,000 peple, to select my unknown MP,Tum Choen. Did I have a choice ? Was I a Khmer Rouge's kisser ? It was nearly 4 yrs that I was living under the communist regime of Pol Pot. I listened to my heart was pounding every night from FEAR INTIMIDATION' situation ...we were so frightening of our lives. Right now I'm in the shoes of Cambodians who live under the tyranny regime of Hun Xen,the Yuon-Hanoi Puppet without brain. Can you entertain the above questions Lok Moha Thae of Sidney? Many
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Re: Mu Sochua is not fighting for nothing
Bun Heang, I heard all these before. North Korea accused Japan a puppet of the US. North Korea accused South Korea a puppet of the US. Japan and the US accused North Korea a puppet of China or even Russia. The Al-Qaeda accused the US a puppet of Israel. The US accused Al-Qaeda a puppet of Bin Laden. And so on. sf11 On Aug 12, 10:21 am, sacravatoons sacravato...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Hun Xe is just the Yuon-Puppet with no brain ! Everyday he takes advices from his Yuon-Hanoi's Advisers at the Toul Krasaing Yuon-Hanoi armed forces police forces have control all of Khmer ministry Depts. As i said he's a Tool Killer of Youn-Hanoi's plot. If you want to know he's smart or dumb, pls listen to his speech at the public speaking. We can see only his hatred face voice against his own people.Pls observe him. And also his clonies : Khieu Kanharith,Phay Siphan,Kuy Koung,Chheam Yiep and his others Parrots. If Pen Sovan was good Tool...he would be stayed in power until nowand again Hun Xen is just nobody in CPP. I was listening him once before I escaped to Thailand.at the meeting Hun Xen had given a very boring speech as a real Puppet.None Sense. And he repeated repeated..again and again for 3 hours and maybe in that time he might be do not know what was he talking about ? He was so skinny like our famous comedian 32...now look at him who's the BIG FAT CAT . Cheers, Ung Bun Heang, Note : MIth Duch was a Tool killing machine of Khmer Rouge regime, why and why he is in courts now ?what is the different between Duch and Hun Xen ? The two puppets are without brain but their hands were stained with Khmer Blood. Wouldn't you want to know how a puppet does his work so effectively? But, if he is nothing, just a puppet, why do we blame him? Obviously he is somebody, isn't he. I would hold him responsible for what he does so he cannot have any excuses. = In a message dated 8/11/2009 7:28:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sacravato...@optusnet.com.au writes: Hun Xen is just nothinghe'll be replaced at anytime as Hanoi wishes. But Yuon-Hanoi uses him as a great Khmer's Tool Killer.This evilly guy can kill any khmer at anytime without remorse for the sake of Youn-Hanoi. Hanoi will use him as long as he serves Yuon's interests of Vietnamezation.The Indochinese Federation. Pls answer me, Have you ever seen any designed-Puppet in the world have a brain ? The Puppet is always moving acting by the string of the Master-Show. Cheers, Ung Bun Heang Yes, I have posted a lot of comments made by Hun Sen for those readers/watcher to think! If you want to deal with Hun Sen, you need to know what he says and what he thinks. The problem is not too many people study his activities and find out more about how he does work. The oppositions are too busy looking for bad things that Hun Sen does. The majority of Cambodian people are busy seeing good things that he has done. They don't care how he does it. Hun Sen has his own ways of capturing many people's heart and mind... The CPP has spent a lot of time and money in building their political and financial infrastructures from top to bottom. It shows in Hun Sen's every days activities... We may say what Hun Sen does/have done are wrong, but most people don't think so and he stays with them. The oppositions need to be better than Hun Sen...Otherwise, they are his alibis. == In a message dated 8/11/2009 6:33:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, krakmo.ka...@orange.fr writes: Here Lok TIM that what I wrote as attachment. Thanks Message du 12/08/09 00:16 De : timothych...@aol.com A : camdisc@googlegroups.com Copie à : Objet : Re: Mu Sochua is not fighting for nothing Is there a way that I can translate these boxes? In a message dated 8/11/2009 5:42:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, krakmo.ka...@orange.fr writes: -- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. To post to this group, send email to camdisc@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to camdisc-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc Learn more - http://www.cambodia.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Political confrontation continues
Bury, Have you ever considered doing something good for Cambodia by retiring or commit a PATRIOT suicide? You have a right to express your opinion the same as everyone else here, but when you don’t admit your liability, you can’t learn and move on. Bury is too busy focus on what he doesn’t want for Cambodia, while his enemies are too busying focusing on what they want. This should explain why your enemies are successful while you felt so resent because you are too busy wanting for what you don’t want. No one cares if you only keep your dirty mouth to yourself or keep Cambodia off your menu. I’m not against you, but your disturbing messages. Thing will improve naturally if you close your mouth for once. Here is a reason why… Keep focusing and talking on whatever you don’t want, it will move closer and closer to you. I know you want to whole world to read and hear your messages so they can help, but you are dead wrong. Your messages have been all about what you don’t want to happen to Cambodia, it isn’t a good idea as the more people read and hear your messages the sooner your reality would come true. Whatever coming closer to you is also coming closer to other Cambodians, and you wouldn’t want that or would you? Your bad mouth through the mass media is more like a Khmer rebel terrorist, you are sabotaging Cambodia. I drummed it to you before and now again. Keep focusing on whatever you want, it will move closer and closer to you. To live healthily you should replace with what you don’t want with what you want whether for yourself, your country or your love ones. sf11 On Aug 8, 9:17 pm, Bury Chau chaub...@hotmail.com wrote: Dec. 25, 1978 Invasion of Cambodia. Some 100,000 Vietnamese with 20,000 KUFNS troops, under the direction of Gen. Van Tien Dung, launch an invasion of Cambodia. THE CPP IS THE GENERAL VAN TIEN DUNG'S TROOPS OF OCCUPATION OF CAMBODIA FROM 1979-2009 THE FACTS : CAMBODIA REMAINS OCCUPIED BY VIETNAM IN VIOLATION OF 10 UN RESOLUTIONS. UN Passes Strong Resolution on Cambodia Human Rights Abuses Feb. 27, 1982 : UN Commission on Human Rights meeting in Geneva adopted a resolution condemning Vietnam’s occupation of Cambodia as a violation of Cambodian human rights. The vote was 28 in favor, 8 against, and 5 abstentions. Oct. 21, 1986 The UN General Assembly adopted a resolution A/RES/41/6, by vote of 116-21 with 13 abstentions, calling for a withdrawal of Vietnamese forces from Cambodia. IT'S IMPERATIVE FOR VIETNAM TO COMPLY WITH THIS UN RESOLUTION --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. To post to this group, send email to camdisc@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to camdisc-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc Learn more - http://www.cambodia.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: VIETNAM OCCUPATION OF CAMBODIA RE: Political confrontation continues
[I post too quickly, I’m going to arrange my words and post it again to make more readable.] Bury Chau, What a shame, Chau is a surname from Kampuchea Krom. By your quick respond it shows that an old dog can’t learn a new trick, hopefully it will be useful to someone else. Have you ever considered doing something good for Cambodia by retiring or commit a Patriot suicide? You have a right to express your opinion the same as everyone else here, but when you don’t admit your liability, you can’t learn and move on. While you are too busy focusing on what you don’t want for Cambodia, your enemies are too busying focusing on what they want. This should explain why your enemies are successful while you felt so resent. No one cares if you only keep your dirty mouth to yourself or keep Cambodia off your menu. I’m not against you, but your disturbing messages. Thing will improve naturally if you close your mouth for once. Here is a reason why… By focusing and talking on what you don’t want, it will move closer to you. I know you want to whole world to read and hear your messages so they can help, but you are dead wrong. Your posts have been all about what you don’t want to happen to Cambodia, it isn’t a good idea as the more people read and hear your messages the sooner your reality would come true. Whatever coming closer to you is also coming closer to other Cambodians, and you wouldn’t want that or would you? Your bad mouth through the mass media is more like a Khmer rebel terrorist, you are sabotaging Cambodia. I drummed it to you before and now again. On the other hand, if you keep focusing on what you want, it will also move closer and closer to you. To live a health life you should replace with what you don’t want with what you want whether for yourself, your country or your love ones. sf11 On Aug 10, 10:42 pm, Bury Chau chaub...@hotmail.com wrote: Heng Samrin'S OATH OF ALLEGIANCE TO HO CHI MINH ,VIETNAM : Our people would like to pay respect and express profound gratitude to Chairman Ho Chi Minh, founder of the ICP, who had left a brilliant example of the precious patrotic spirit and clear-sighted international solidarity-an invincible force no power can destroy-to the next generations. This oath of allegiance to Ho chi Minh allows the CPP to bring Vietnamese invaders illegal Vietnamese settlers to run Cambodia as of today. 200 000 Vietnamese troops remains in Cambodia hiding in the 19 Vietnamese associations across Cambodia and through the CPP army/police militia and Officials of the Cambodian government of Hun Sen/Heng Samrin/Chea Sim from 1978-2009. 1.Gen.Van Tien Dung, launch an invasion of Cambodia Dec 25 1978 2.IT CONFIRMS BY THIS BOOK : on the behavior and character of a Vietnamese. BOOK GIAI PHONG by T Terzani. It describes a Vietnamese as THIEF, A LIAR, A KILLER, A DECEIVER , a sleeper .. THE FACTS : CAMBODIA REMAINS OCCUPIED BY VIETNAM IN VIOLATION OF 10 UN RESOLUTIONS. UN Passes Strong Resolution on Cambodia Human Rights Abuses Feb. 27, 1982 : UN Commission on Human Rights meeting in Geneva adopted a resolution condemning Vietnam’s occupation of Cambodia as a violation of Cambodian human rights. The vote was 28 in favor, 8 against, and 5 abstentions. Oct. 21, 1986 The UN General Assembly adopted a resolution A/RES/41/6, by vote of 116-21 with 13 abstentions, calling for a withdrawal of Vietnamese forces from Cambodia. IT'S IMPERATIVE FOR VIETNAM TO COMPLY WITH THIS UN RESOLUTION Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 05:35:12 -0700 Subject: Re: Political confrontation continues From: silenfo...@gmail.com To: camdisc@googlegroups.com Bury, Have you ever considered doing something good for Cambodia by retiring or commit a PATRIOT suicide? You have a right to express your opinion the same as everyone else here, but when you don’t admit your liability, you can’t learn and move on. Bury is too busy focus on what he doesn’t want for Cambodia, while his enemies are too busying focusing on what they want. This should explain why your enemies are successful while you felt so resent because you are too busy wanting for what you don’t want. No one cares if you only keep your dirty mouth to yourself or keep Cambodia off your menu. I’m not against you, but your disturbing messages. Thing will improve naturally if you close your mouth for once. Here is a reason why… Keep focusing and talking on whatever you don’t want, it will move closer and closer to you. I know you want to whole world to read and hear your messages so they can help, but you are dead wrong. Your messages have been all about what you don’t want to happen to Cambodia, it isn’t a good idea as the more people read and hear your messages the sooner your reality would come true. Whatever coming closer to you is also coming closer to other Cambodians, and you wouldn’t want that or would you? Your bad mouth through the mass media
Re: VIETNAM OCCUPATION OF CAMBODIA 100 TORTURE CENTERS ACROSS CAMBODIA\: Political confrontation continues
Frankly my dear, I don't know about all those things, but the thing is I also don't care. I don't spend more than 2 seconds looking at your post if I happen to scroll across it. My conclusion to you is I don't know and I don't care The whole world doesn't care either. sf11 On Aug 10, 5:10 pm, Bury Chau chaub...@hotmail.com wrote: Vietnam, has not respected the UN CHARTER, the Paris Peace agreement with the US . A.. VIETNAM INVASION AND OCCUPATION OF CAMBODIA 1978-2009. December 25, 1978 Invasion of Cambodia. Some 100,000 Vietnamese with 20,000 KUFNS troops, under the direction of It describes a Vietnamese as THIEF, A LIAR, A KILLER, A DECEIVER , a sleeper .. B.. CHINESE INVASION OF VIETNAM (SHORT) Feb.. 17, 1979 Teaching a lesson. Some 170,000 Chinese troops with 700 warplanes, and 250-300 tanks launched an invasion of Vietnam to punish it for invading of Cambodia. 100 TORTURE CENTERS across CAMBODIA. Vietnam's occupation of Cambodia 1979-1989 under Le Duc Tho rule. An estimated 460 000 innocent Cambodians died , killed , tortured, etc... 100 Torture centers were established across Cambodia. (Methods of torture described to Amnesty International). Methods of torture described to Amnesty International as being used by the Vietnamese forces of invasion and occupation of Cambodia under Le Duc Tho's rule, from 1979-1989, through the CPP/HUN SEN regime.( an estimated 460 000 innocent Cambodians died during that period) 1. Beatings with truncheons, sharp-edged wooden staves, and iron bars and whippings with chains and rubber hoses.( Methods of torture described to Amnesty International) 2. Near-suffocation with plastic bags,( Methods of torture described to Amnesty International) 3. Near-drowning in vats of water,( Methods of torture described to Amnesty International(Methods of torture described to Amnesty International) 4. Burial alive, and(Methods of torture described to Amnesty International) 5. Forced ingestion of irritant liquids have also been reported to the organization ( Amnesty International report) 6. Electric shocks .In addition, former prisoners have testified that their interrogators administered electric shocks,( Methods of torture described to Amnesty International) 7.Burned them with hot irons, and (Methods of torture described to Amnesty International) 8.Forced them into petrol drums, which were then covered and repeatedly struck from the outside. The high noise level causes pain and disorientation. (Methods of torture described to Amnesty International) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:04:02 -0700 Subject: Re: VIETNAM OCCUPATION OF CAMBODIA RE: Political confrontation continues From: silenfo...@gmail.com To: camdisc@googlegroups.com [I post too quickly, I’m going to arrange my words and post it again to make more readable.] Bury Chau, What a shame, Chau is a surname from Kampuchea Krom. By your quick respond it shows that an old dog can’t learn a new trick, hopefully it will be useful to someone else. Have you ever considered doing something good for Cambodia by retiring or commit a Patriot suicide? You have a right to express your opinion the same as everyone else here, but when you don’t admit your liability, you can’t learn and move on. While you are too busy focusing on what you don’t want for Cambodia, your enemies are too busying focusing on what they want. This should explain why your enemies are successful while you felt so resent. No one cares if you only keep your dirty mouth to yourself or keep Cambodia off your menu. I’m not against you, but your disturbing messages. Thing will improve naturally if you close your mouth for once. Here is a reason why… By focusing and talking on what you don’t want, it will move closer to you. I know you want to whole world to read and hear your messages so they can help, but you are dead wrong. Your posts have been all about what you don’t want to happen to Cambodia, it isn’t a good idea as the more people read and hear your messages the sooner your reality would come true. Whatever coming closer to you is also coming closer to other Cambodians, and you wouldn’t want that or would you? Your bad mouth through the mass media is more like a Khmer rebel terrorist, you are sabotaging Cambodia. I drummed it to you before and now again. On the other hand, if you keep focusing on what you want, it will also move closer and closer to you. To live a health life you should replace with what you don’t want with what you want whether for yourself, your country or your love ones. sf11 On Aug 10, 10:42 pm, Bury Chau chaub...@hotmail.com wrote: Heng Samrin'S OATH OF ALLEGIANCE TO HO CHI MINH ,VIETNAM : Our people would like to pay respect and express profound gratitude to Chairman Ho Chi Minh, founder of the ICP, who had left a brilliant example of the precious patrotic
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Re: How Thais teach their people history
Chetrasena, What are you trying to say? One race is traitor, one race is a trickier and another race is a lowest class. What is this Hindou's class? I checked Google and I could not find the meaning of it. Can you provide a link of reference for that article? I’m just curious. Are there a high class of races and a lower class of races? I have heard of higher class of people and lower class of people, but race? I checked Google and there is no such material related to the issue brought up by you. Every race has it been up and down in time. The Mongolians at once conquered and controlled most of East, Central and Western Europe, the Middle East, and most of Asia. The Caucasians conquered North and South America, Asia and Africa etc. Ttechnologies were once started from the East, and then flowed to the West. Now it’s flowing back to the East again. Japan was at once time control most of Asia too. The United States was the most powerful country in the world and shrinking fast. Russia at once time was the super power of Asia, but China has taken that spot and is competing with the United States. The Khmers at once time controlled most of South East Asia and now they are not. There is nothing permanent in this world. Everything is changing by the hours. The blacks were slaved of the whites. Time has changed and now a black is the president for one of the most powerful in country on Earth. The Mongolia at once time was ten thousand times more powerful than the Khmer Empire. Now they are spends $23.1 million per year on military, while Cambodia spends $112 million per year on their military. Cambodia is five times more powerful than Mongolia. Is Mongolia in a lower class now? My summary is anyone who wrote or brings up an issue like one race is traitor, one race is a trickier and one race is a low class has to be retard. On Jul 12, 12:31 pm, Chetrasena sdokkokt...@gmail.com wrote: People : Thai's people has its own institution from the founding father of Sokhothai, Ayuthia up to Chakry dynasty,because Thai has its sasstra (Kbuon), and Yuon has trick (Put) for Khmer Sottrot (this word is deriving from Hindou's class, Soutras which means, the lowest class ). That what we are right now. You need an institution to fight against hunger in Africa, Obama said. On Jul 12, 3:07 am, timothych...@aol.com wrote: _http://www.ilovethailand.org/videos/id_36/title_lost-territory/_ (http://www.ilovethailand.org/videos/id_36/title_lost-territory/) Timothychhim.blogspot.comhttp://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=search_query=timothy+chhi... **An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377098x1201454399/aol?red... yExcfooterNO62) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. To post to this group, send email to camdisc@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to camdisc-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc Learn more - http://www.cambodia.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cambodia marks anniversary of temple's world heritage listing/Questions remain.
Lenny, On a Cambodian satellite TV CTN, it shows the road to Preah Vihear is being built. Last time I saw someone posted in this forum about Hun Sen talking to the public that Cambodia alone is no match for Thailand. He was talking about not much forest in Cambodia to support guerilla warfare. So it seems he is already chicken out, it must be his old age. I disagree with him. A war with Thailand isn’t a bad idea. There aren’t many infrastructures in Cambodia to be damaged from a war. Many Khmer still remembered freshly how Thailand treated them when they escaped to the border for help. Thailand is facing big problems from the Muslims when they annexed two provinces from Malaysia long ago. These two provinces are causing Thailand weaker in term of economics and military. A majority of people in Surin of Thailand are Khmer would rise up once a war is broke out. A united between Khmer and Khmer Surin can free the Khmer Krom and make Kampuchea Krom and Surin part of Cambodia again which will then become the Greater Kampuchea. On Jul 9, 5:36 pm, Len Graceffo rosedalepa...@hotmail.com wrote: I'm confused. Was the land surrounding Preah Vihear not officially given to Cambodia in 1962 as I read on another member of Camdisc's reply? Why hasn't the CPP built a high quality road /entrance for tourists ? Why did they wait so long to complete the road from Siem Reap to Anlong Veng? What is the status of the road from Anlong Veng to Preah Vihear temple? That road would also be of grat value to the small villages along the way. The CPP make foolish stupid mistakes. That temple should of been commercialized years ago. By relying on the Thai's initiative to set up and use their roads Cambodia allowed themselves to be DEPENDANT on the Thai's. Why would the CPP allow another country to dictate how many tourists can visit a Cambodian temple ? Us foreigners have to pay twice remember from the Thai side. Hun Sen is a soldier, not a public adminstrator and should stick to wars. Regards, Lenny Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 23:53:11 -0700 Subject: Re: Cambodia marks anniversary of temple's world heritage listing From: khmeryo...@gmail.com To: camdisc@googlegroups.com There are many things to clarify to the Cambodian people, but SRP has no ability to voice their concerns to reach Cambodian people at all because of mass media has been monopolized by the CPP to fool Cambodian people. While Angkor Wat, the icon of the nation has been listed by UNESCO, why the government in that time didn't sponsor or persuade through mass media to call for Cambodian nationalism and celebration? What is the expecting outcome from nationalism celebration of this Preah Vihear? It makes Cambodians feel good or it will become ultra racial nationalism towards Thai people? Or it is just showing Sok An's work to raise himself up higher than others inside the CPP, his key contenders? How about the good intention to deal with Thailand? Any good mechanisms being raised now? Or just declared war again and again by Hun Sen, and continue to celebrate nationalism until Thai embassy will be burned again? This nationalism celebration is sponsored by the government - government put high expectation to legitimize their power regardless that legitimization will skip the Cambodian interests. So on and on to say... KY On Jul 8, 6:50 am, timothych...@aol.com wrote: Cambodia needs to address its border’s issues with every neighboring country, especially with Vietnam and Thailand because it has been reported that these countries continue to encroach Cambodian territory. Recently, Thailand has had its national political problems, gradually more from the time after Mr. Thaksin was ousted. The current administration needs to do something to satisfy Thai Voters. Campaign promises of the current Thai’s ruling party regarding Preah Vihear must be handled properly. Good relationship between Ex-PM Thaksin and Premier Hun Sen is a thorn that troubles current Thai Prime Minister. He is looking for more reasons to divert Thais people from its internal problems. Border tensions between the two countries have helped both political parties—current ruling party of Cambodia and of Thailand. Unfortunately, Cambodia/Vietnam border’s issues have been forgotten and the CPP is not going to stir up the problems with the Vietnamese. First, if it does, Cambodia cannot handle two enemies at the same time; secondly, the CPP will lose the friendship protection from Vietnamese incase it has to battle the Thai forces. However, the border problems with Thailand, should give the Cambodian government a good reason to also settle border's problems with Vietnam correctly. The opposition parties are stuck. They cannot make much noises against the CPP in any case at this time. Any move will be seen as if
Re: MR. TIMOTHY CHHIM
Tim, I agree with your conclusion. Cambodia is not that bad, from your experience people are allowed to start an opposition party. I hope you learned your past experiences and go back to create your own party, you have qualities and talents in that area. The biggest obstacle is probably funding, it’s easier to join a party that’s already existed. It seems that all the oppositions are there to anti the ruling party, the CPP. To topple and to win in order to improve this nation then here is a chance they might win, but to topple and to win so they can make lots of money then the chance is they will never win. By doing so about making money they would get a similar and equal reaction. The ruling party has been there for many years and has a strong foundation. It can not be up rooted by a new comer. An opposition party existed to anti another party is not healthy at all. There should be a motto to keep all members in line. The motto should be about improving and creating. Everything begins with one step at a time. It doesn’t work and giving up too soon is the lack planning in advance. Many people join a political party because they want to make money or be rich, but get disappoint and left when there is not any. When the party has a problem with funding or money is because their organization doesn’t invest to generate enough income. What people don’t realize is the CPP has investments everywhere in the country to generate the income they needed. If the opposition parties stop thinking about anti and put their energy into making money like the CPP, sooner or later they will become force to be reckoned with. On Jul 7, 3:05 pm, timothych...@aol.com wrote: silenfores, It is strange that the oppositions, whose jobs are to criticize the ruling party, are really defensive over my critiques. It appears that they cannot take criticism very well. I take it that the majority of them are hardcore followers and don't have their mind open to criticisms. One can only imagine what their attitude will be if they have a chance to become the ruling party. When I campaigned in last year's general election, one of the objection to change was them being skeptical over the new leadership of the new party. They had said, the politicians are the same. Others were enthusiastic about our messages, but they were not sure the promises could be carried out. One comment was kind of stuck in my mind was the question related to my ex-party. They had asked many times if it was funded by Premier Hun Sen as such information was broadcast daily on the radio. If it was, then why the change? The majority of Cambodians are afraid to change. I don't think any opposition party can manage to run Cambodia by itself without full cooperation from the CPP. The current leadership of all opposition parties must be better (in all aspects) than the leadership of the CPP in order for the people to feel comfortable to change. Otherwise, the CPP will run the country forever. In a message dated 7/6/2009 8:30:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, silenfo...@gmail.com writes: Tim, “Many career politicians take advantage over your silence and abuse your trust, patriotism and nationalism.” You are somewhat right on the one above. Many Khmers follow their leaders blindly without a question ask. They suddenly become followers because there is a leader available. A leadership without a transparent quality is ought to be avoided. Are they looking for a leadership who is going to bring a better life for the people or are they look for a leader who are polite and have nice smile in public? The Khmers still have a frame of references that polite and nice smile are the way to go. Khmer leaders learned this trick and are good putting that role. Apart from such a role, they are completely useless. You have many criticisms from people. Those people tend to support a party, simply because they dislike the current ruling leader. Although he is bad, still there is one else is better than him, for now. I have heard this man has done some good deeds comparing to the oppositions who are only interested in talking. On Jul 7, 2:29 am, timothych...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/5/2009 6:45:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, infos.kh...@gmail.com writes: Dear Compatriots, I feel very insulted by the remarks of Mr. Chhim in these messages. But I prefer to ignore it and concentrate my efforts, just give my availability to a priority is to save Cambodia from the clutches of Yuon instead of wasting my time responding to such messages and avoiding to show that we are divided. I am sorry to see an educated person like Mr. Chhim, is always criticism and blame the oppositions. even though I disagree with your approach. But I hope you do with good will, without attempting lick the feet of the servants of yuon directly or indirectly.
Re: MR. TIMOTHY CHHIM
Tim, “Many career politicians take advantage over your silence and abuse your trust, patriotism and nationalism.” You are somewhat right on the one above. Many Khmers follow their leaders blindly without a question ask. They suddenly become followers because there is a leader available. A leadership without a transparent quality is ought to be avoided. Are they looking for a leadership who is going to bring a better life for the people or are they look for a leader who are polite and have nice smile in public? The Khmers still have a frame of references that polite and nice smile are the way to go. Khmer leaders learned this trick and are good putting that role. Apart from such a role, they are completely useless. You have many criticisms from people. Those people tend to support a party, simply because they dislike the current ruling leader. Although he is bad, still there is one else is better than him, for now. I have heard this man has done some good deeds comparing to the oppositions who are only interested in talking. On Jul 7, 2:29 am, timothych...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/5/2009 6:45:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, infos.kh...@gmail.com writes: Dear Compatriots, I feel very insulted by the remarks of Mr. Chhim in these messages. But I prefer to ignore it and concentrate my efforts, just give my availability to a priority is to save Cambodia from the clutches of Yuon instead of wasting my time responding to such messages and avoiding to show that we are divided. I am sorry to see an educated person like Mr. Chhim, is always criticism and blame the oppositions. even though I disagree with your approach. But I hope you do with good will, without attempting lick the feet of the servants of yuon directly or indirectly. This is the factual problems with you and your group's mind-set. Whenever a person doesn't agree with your ways of doing things or being a critique of your political Party; he/she is being labeled a Yuon’s servants, puppet or CPP’s feet licker. Such attitude is no different from the Khmer Rouges' approaches that had killed everyone who opposed to their policy. I urge you and your party’s leaders to reconsider that there are people outside of your party who do love their country as much as you do. Become a group of open minded people and consider opinions of other people carefully and stop that kind of rhetoric. Such an attack will not benefit your party and the country because it will repel good people away from joining for the good cause. Nevertheless, I appreciate your true color and I am sure that the public will also learn the fact that there is no different between yours and the communist’s. Retrain your thoughts and tell your mind that it’s ok to be different, it’s ok to accept criticism and that those who criticize you and your party are not your enemies. = Mr. Chhim , the proof courage, of determination and of sacrifice extraordinary leaders and members SRP, touches the bottom of my heart, my conscience tells me that if I love justice, be fair with friendly people, I must dare to board the same boat, paddling, pushing, through the barrier together, today I am proud to join myself to SRP, to give my time and personal resources to encourage these people who I have great respect for bravely working a noble cause. == My critiques do not call for you or anyone to stop doing what you want and what you can do to help Cambodia. I always admire those who have sacrificed for the country, however I will not close my ears and eyes and be a yes-man to individuals who abuse people’s trust. == Mr. Chhim , Cambodians are not stupid. We must stop attacking the nationalists to try to make a place in politics. On several occasions, experience has shown us clearly that this approach is to destroy youself and destroy your country. == The nationalists are everywhere. You and your group don't own the rights to be the only group of nationalists. By labeling others that they are not nationalists because they have different opinion than yours you will not just destroy yourself and your group but you will also destroy the country. You are right Lok Sokha, the Cambodian people are not as ignorant as you think; that’s why they can smell bad politicians from miles away. If your group is “good” you don't need to worry, do you? == In closing, I hope that Mr. Chhim, is focusing his energy to criticize, to suggest with a constructive way to unite, to encourage, to promote those who dare to sacrifice their time, resources, their personal lives, family, professional, without asking anything back to save our beloved Cambodia, instead of spending time in his living room to blame for destroying Good 4th of July. Sokha Ly === It’s all in your mind, Lok Sokha. My critiques can be
Re: MR. TIMOTHY CHHIM
Correction, I left out “no” which make no sense Although he is bad, still there is one else is better than him, for now. should be Although he is bad, still there is no one else is better than him, for now. On Jul 7, 10:29 am, starplatinum silenfo...@gmail.com wrote: Tim, “Many career politicians take advantage over your silence and abuse your trust, patriotism and nationalism.” You are somewhat right on the one above. Many Khmers follow their leaders blindly without a question ask. They suddenly become followers because there is a leader available. A leadership without a transparent quality is ought to be avoided. Are they looking for a leadership who is going to bring a better life for the people or are they look for a leader who are polite and have nice smile in public? The Khmers still have a frame of references that polite and nice smile are the way to go. Khmer leaders learned this trick and are good putting that role. Apart from such a role, they are completely useless. You have many criticisms from people. Those people tend to support a party, simply because they dislike the current ruling leader. Although he is bad, still there is one else is better than him, for now. I have heard this man has done some good deeds comparing to the oppositions who are only interested in talking. On Jul 7, 2:29 am, timothych...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/5/2009 6:45:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, infos.kh...@gmail.com writes: Dear Compatriots, I feel very insulted by the remarks of Mr. Chhim in these messages. But I prefer to ignore it and concentrate my efforts, just give my availability to a priority is to save Cambodia from the clutches of Yuon instead of wasting my time responding to such messages and avoiding to show that we are divided. I am sorry to see an educated person like Mr. Chhim, is always criticism and blame the oppositions. even though I disagree with your approach. But I hope you do with good will, without attempting lick the feet of the servants of yuon directly or indirectly. This is the factual problems with you and your group's mind-set. Whenever a person doesn't agree with your ways of doing things or being a critique of your political Party; he/she is being labeled a Yuon’s servants, puppet or CPP’s feet licker. Such attitude is no different from the Khmer Rouges' approaches that had killed everyone who opposed to their policy. I urge you and your party’s leaders to reconsider that there are people outside of your party who do love their country as much as you do. Become a group of open minded people and consider opinions of other people carefully and stop that kind of rhetoric. Such an attack will not benefit your party and the country because it will repel good people away from joining for the good cause. Nevertheless, I appreciate your true color and I am sure that the public will also learn the fact that there is no different between yours and the communist’s. Retrain your thoughts and tell your mind that it’s ok to be different, it’s ok to accept criticism and that those who criticize you and your party are not your enemies. = Mr. Chhim , the proof courage, of determination and of sacrifice extraordinary leaders and members SRP, touches the bottom of my heart, my conscience tells me that if I love justice, be fair with friendly people, I must dare to board the same boat, paddling, pushing, through the barrier together, today I am proud to join myself to SRP, to give my time and personal resources to encourage these people who I have great respect for bravely working a noble cause. == My critiques do not call for you or anyone to stop doing what you want and what you can do to help Cambodia. I always admire those who have sacrificed for the country, however I will not close my ears and eyes and be a yes-man to individuals who abuse people’s trust. == Mr. Chhim , Cambodians are not stupid. We must stop attacking the nationalists to try to make a place in politics. On several occasions, experience has shown us clearly that this approach is to destroy youself and destroy your country. == The nationalists are everywhere. You and your group don't own the rights to be the only group of nationalists. By labeling others that they are not nationalists because they have different opinion than yours you will not just destroy yourself and your group but you will also destroy the country. You are right Lok Sokha, the Cambodian people are not as ignorant as you think; that’s why they can smell bad politicians from miles away. If your group is “good” you don't need to worry, do you? == In closing, I hope that Mr. Chhim, is focusing his energy to criticize, to suggest with a constructive way to unite
Re: The devil that they don't know
Chhim, When it comes to politics, there is no such thing as an honest politician. You can’t be too truthful if you want to maneuver with other opponents. This is an example. Saddam Hussein, the former president of Iraq, wanted alliance with the U.S. He thought he was one, but the U.S. betrayed him. They gave him chemical weapon to gas his opposition the jihadists, which the U.S later condemned him for gassing his own people but the U.S secret wanted gassed. The U.S used him to do their own dirty work. When the job was done, they provoked, toppled and executed him. This is a real devil to do this to him. Sometimes if want to fight a devil you have to become a devil yourself or make one like Saddam. The Cambodian politicians are too naïve and ignorance to see far outside of their own country. They only use deceptions on their own, where as the U.S politicians use deceptions mainly on the people outside of their own country. On Jun 27, 1:13 pm, timothych...@aol.com wrote: The devil that they don't know The Cambodian People's Party (CPP) has been gaining its grounds in most towns and cities in the U.S.A. where Cambodian populations are highly concentrated. Various Cambodian associations are now either sympathized with the CPP or being neutralized. Many overseas vocal activists are getting old and weak both physically and financially. Those who used to be against the CPP now are working with this organization openly and covertly. Many politicians have switched to rally behind the CPP and Hun Sen. Business entrepreneurs have little choice but to cooperate with the government of Cambodia to gain maximum profits and to be safe. Politicians who have businesses inside Cambodia are subjected to the same condition. The recent opening of a Cambodian consulate in Lowell, Massachusetts, was a real blow to the oppositions and those who counter to the government’s policy. The CPP has picked an ex-SRP’s official to head the consulate. This has added a thorn in the eye of the SRP’s political organization in North America. CTN and TVK are the main sources of government and the CPP’s propaganda. These television stations have reached many Cambodian families, including retail business locations in the U.S. By watching their various programs that show all “great” news about economic achievements, social developments and various entertainments, many Cambodians are now at ease with the government and some even praise the works it has done in spite of of the charges by some national and international community that it is one of the worst administrations in the world. In regards to Preah Vihear, it is a symbol of nationalism and patriotism for the majority of Cambodian populations. It undoubtedly helps boost the image of Premier Hun Sen and his political party. The people will rally behind Hun Sen if there are more fights at the borders. The majority of Cambodians feels that Hun Sen is doing the right thing to protect Cambodian interests and disregard any political theaters staged by both Cambodia and Thailand. So far the oppositions are seen to be on the wrong side of this issue. Eng Chhay Eang's letter (and its contents) to protest against a ceremony held in Massachusetts to commemorate Preah Vihear was counterproductive. It was a bad move by SRP’s camp with regards to Preah Vihear issue. It seems that SRP is only looking to be in opposition to anything and everything that the government does. The lawsuits initiated by Mme Mu Soc Hua at this juncture will not help SRP in this particular issue either. It will be viewed as a “ wicked” strategic move of the oppositions to weekend Cambodian government; hence, they indirectly help Cambodia’s enemy. It is very difficult to fight the devil, but it can be done: One must not be the devil him/herself. Otherwise it will just be an endless vicious cycle. So far, many people have realized that the oppositions are not necessarily better than the ruling party. The lack of strong and effective organizational structures, the absence of self sustainable political infrastructures and the moral indifference among members of political parties give the Cambodian people little choice but to stick around with the devil they have and they know. By nature people are afraid to change, especially the change from the devil they know to the devil that they don't know. timothychhim.blogspot.com **An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585065x1201462786/aol?red... eExcfooterNO62) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. To
Re: The devil that they don't know
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Re: To silenfo...@gmail.com, Re: corruption
Timo, I’m thankful to see what you see, described thrdr environments in Cambodia in details and aware of what’s going on. Those bunches of politicians cannot live like they are not part of their surroundings anymore. Environments are part of our extended body. If they damage it, they damage everything else around including themselves. Talking about skyscrapers, why would ones indulge oneself likes Ferdinand Marcos of the Philippines who know mainly pleasure and little happiness in his life. He died a sad man, but cannot totally blame him because his egoism within drives him blind. I believe it may not be much different from the Cambodian politicians. All Cambodians ought to be aware of that wealth creations are within their on country, underneath their feet and within themselves if they want to enjoy success. They don’t need to look across the globe to find anything except all sorts of educations you can learn from. All creations must be come from within. They have stop dreaming that “the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.” It’s not wrong to think that some foreigners are richer, but they have mastered the skills of wealth creations and sometimes without realizing it. Man is in some ways similar to a fruit tree except he can create almost anything. God weren’t allow him visualize and create a thing quickly to safe guard against harming himself. Imagine if man have a miracle power to make anything quickly. He can think of brand new car, and it suddenly appears in front of him. Then the fears within him make him dream of a monster, and suddenly a monster appears in front of him too. If a man has such a power, the first one person he kills is probably himself. On Jun 11, 12:47 pm, timothych...@aol.com wrote: silenfores, You hit the nail right on the head when you stated that all Cambodians need is to take out the weeds and sow some seeds and Cambodia will be self sufficient. Comparing to other nations of the world, Cambodians are very lucky to have Cambodia as a place called home to some 14 Millions inhabitants. Cambodia is one of the most productive lands in South East Asia. The destructions of Cambodia and her people in the past few centuries have been manmade. Personal greed have played and continues to play a major role in Cambodia’s destruction. Instead of prudently taking care of the woodland, Cambodian leaders deforest their precious forestry; instead of preserving fishery in Tonle Sap Lake and Rivers, Cambodian rulers allow fishermen to catch them anarchically; instead of helping Cambodian farmers to farm their own productive land, Cambodian authorities sell or lease their fertile territory to foreign countries; Instead of using foreign contributions to help disadvantaged Cambodians, powerful Cambodians pocket millions to indulge their family members; instead of preserving national lakes and waterways, Cambodian leaders choke them up to make rooms for unnecessary skyscrapers, etc… and etc… I believe that if Cambodian government and politicians put the people first, Cambodians would be much better off than they are today. Cambodians cannot afford to have their politicians and government officials continued to play with their head any more. They have to demand full accountability from all sides of political ideology. The initiative of change should start with each Cambodian individual with the guidance of those who have high moral and ethical authority. Political leaders must have the will to take the lead by stopping all the rhetoric and becoming truthful to their members, followers and the entire people of Cambodia. Playing politics to “fill one’s pots” is not going to derail Cambodia from the abyss. Regards, = In a message dated 6/11/2009 10:06:47 A.M. Korea Standard Time, silenfo...@gmail.com writes: Tomo, the leasing of Cambodia’s land to other nations raised by you is an indication that the Cambodia is a place to create and growth. Such actions are unnecessarily and will cause and unwanted effects later on. All they should do is to take out the weeds, sow some seeds, everything will be ready for harvest. The ruling government did not see it, they see short term monetary gain. The natural world is smart and intelligent when left alone. Give it enough time it grows and provides, and never ask for any credit in return. Man of higher position goes in to upset its ecological balance and then ask those below him for credit. Cambodia is a poor state is not because the land is a barren region like some countries in the African continent, but man made. Receiving aid by Cambodia to patch over the top of some places is not good enough for itself and the donors. I cannot imagine what would happen if the aid is to be cut off suddenly. The other nations can not help Cambodia any better than giving some aid. They can not tell the Cambodian government to change the
Re: To silenfo...@gmail.com, Re: corruption
Timo, Good topic on stealing, I am amazed at your facts and findings. I hope your friend’s bad experience will not demoralize him in starting a new venture somewhere else. Stealing like this is likes cancer cells that are killing their own host in which cells has to die too when the host die. Stealing is so wrong because it’s like owing other people money and materials. When people steal, it’s mean they show lacking. The practice of stealing transfer serves the purpose ones temporarily, but may cause others to loss balance and hope in the course of servings and creating more which are good for humanity. In the practice stealing of lands by the government officials from the farmers are they throw the farmers off balance. In due course there will be less food for the country; consequently it increases the levels of corruptions, poverties and insecurities. Lacking is the opposite of the ability to create wealth and materials. One of the acts of lacking is by stealing. Those who did it would automatically attract more of the same lacking to them. Hence, no debt will go unpaid. The more they steal, the more lacking they will be. High ranking government officials fall into this category too. They might already have a million dollars, but the lacking mind wants more. Corruptions and stealing go together hand in hand to make good laws unenforceable. Bear in mind, there is nothing worst than seeing small children go hungry. My heart will always go out to them. On Jun 10, 1:27 pm, timothych...@aol.com wrote: During my stays in Cambodia, I have met/interviewed with young men and women who were HS students and University students about their future. Most of them had minimized their hope just to work in a factory, go overseas as laborer in foreign countries or simply hope for government jobs so they might land in kanleng klanh or gold mine in the departments in which you are talking about. What scares me the most is not only the corruption in the government sectors; it is also the corruption in business segments as well as in the whole society. A friend of mine used to own a hotel in PP but went out of business due to his employee's dishonesty. They stole everything ranging from kitchen utensils, computer chips to bed sheets; that just to name a few. Sometimes the numbers of days of occupancy in certain rooms shrunk (in paper) from one week to just 3 days. Workers reported that financial statements were lost due to computer problems. When the Hotel owner checked the computers, no chips remained in the CPUs. You are not going to find out who is corrupt or not corrupt easily because the bribers and those who receive bribes (bribees?) work together as a team. It’s the payers, donors and business owners who usually pay the price. Part of the problems is that most people in Cambodian society accept that bribery is tolerable and it is a part of their life. Government is still in denial that the level of corruption in Cambodia is not bad and that there is corruption in every country hence don't worry about it. It is ashamed to say that in politics, too, you will find the level of corruption, nepotism and favoritism, etc… in the same proportion in all political groups. When clean politicians are corrupt, corrupt politicians are clean then clean equal corrupt. Can you figure out that equation? Political contributions given to politicians to fight corruption, justice and freedom have been used to feed politicians, their family members and friends. Who/what is left to fight this monster called corruption? Most Cambodians have not learned that when everyone in the household steal from their own family, only their neighbors will get richer. No wonder why Cambodia is shrunk to where it is today. == In a message dated 6/10/2009 8:29:47 A.M. Korea Standard Time, silenfo...@gmail.com writes: Tim,Absolutely right, it’s not surprised at all. The ruling government lives on handout from the donors, what do you expected the millions of poor Cambodian to live on. The systems over there are most the corrupted and unproductive. You reap what you sow, if they don’t sow anything over there, of course they will have nothing to reap. Many people in the cities study real hard just are looking forward to get out of the country. The systems are unorganized and offer little opportunities for the populations as whole. The corrupted beaurocrates only interested in doing one signature and get at least $3,000. Someone I know wanted to help Cambodia so he organized to import agriculture products to sell at his shop. All those products have to pass about 5 signatures which would get him at least $15,000 excluding the cost of buying, containers and shipping. Where can he get the profit from? He also has to wait four weeks to get right amount he wants. In the end he has no choice but to import from Thailand and Vietnam.
Re: To silenfo...@gmail.com, Re: corruption
Tomo, the leasing of Cambodia’s land to other nations raised by you is an indication that the Cambodia is a place to create and growth. Such actions are unnecessarily and will cause and unwanted effects later on. All they should do is to take out the weeds, sow some seeds, everything will be ready for harvest. The ruling government did not see it, they see short term monetary gain. The natural world is smart and intelligent when left alone. Give it enough time it grows and provides, and never ask for any credit in return. Man of higher position goes in to upset its ecological balance and then ask those below him for credit. Cambodia is a poor state is not because the land is a barren region like some countries in the African continent, but man made. Receiving aid by Cambodia to patch over the top of some places is not good enough for itself and the donors. I cannot imagine what would happen if the aid is to be cut off suddenly. The other nations can not help Cambodia any better than giving some aid. They can not tell the Cambodian government to change the systems of rulings as they do not know its operational function levels, even if they do know and tell them it would still fall on deaf ears, beside it’s none of their business. We have been talking about some of the processes of cause and effect. What’s causing the destructives and creative processes? By understandings the root of it fundamentals problems it will help to give a long term solution to this country. At least there are still some people like you around with healthy mind whose is acting like an agent little by little for a healthier Cambodia. Instead of applying big forces randomly on wrong points and cause unwanted changes, the applying small forces on any right weak point will definitely cause big changes for the better. On Jun 11, 3:41 am, timothych...@aol.com wrote: Silenfores, Land-grabbing is a major problem facing Cambodian small farmers, peasants and poor. It is horrible to have the feeling that sooner or later your land and home will be stolen from you and there is nothing you can do to stop it. I wonder if PM Hun Sen and other officials ever have such a feeling like that. During last year electoral campaign, the issue was raised and put in front of Cambodian voters. However, most voters didn't think that it (land-grabbing) would happen to them. Additionally, the reasons why they didn't vote on this issue because they didn't belief that the oppositions could solve this issue either. Many felt that all politicians are the same and if the oppositions won the election, they would be more corrupt than the current officials. They believed that in Cambodian society poor people (if elected) tend to be more corrupt. Looking back to my experience in dealing with many politicians, I have to agree with the voters who thought that politicians are more or less the same. This is not to say that everyone is corrupt, but the majority are. My messages are always the same-- if you (politicians) are corrupt, you cannot blame on corruption by others. You just don't have that moral authority. Some writers put the blame on the Khmer Rouge era for the today's corruption and land-grabbing due to the fact that most of land and other documents were destroyed. We cannot use the Khmer Rouge as the scapegoat for everything that happens today. Leasing land to the neighboring countries and to the Gulf States for farming is a new problem and the government of both countries cannot practice forced evictions in the name of economic development just to please a few greedy investors (at the expense of poor and powerless Cambodians.) Regards, In a message dated 6/10/2009 11:50:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, silenfo...@gmail.com writes: Timo, Good topic on stealing, I am amazed at your facts and findings. I hope your friend’s bad experience will not demoralize him in starting a new venture somewhere else. Stealing like this is likes cancer cells that are killing their own host in which cells has to die too when the host die. Stealing is so wrong because it’s like owing other people money and materials. When people steal, it’s mean they show lacking. The practice of stealing transfer serves the purpose ones temporarily, but may cause others to loss balance and hope in the course of servings and creating more which are good for humanity. In the practice stealing of lands by the government officials from the farmers are they throw the farmers off balance. In due course there will be less food for the country; consequently it increases the levels of corruptions, poverties and insecurities. Lacking is the opposite of the ability to create wealth and materials. One of the acts of lacking is by stealing. Those who did it would automatically attract more of the same lacking to them. Hence, no debt will go unpaid. The more they steal, the more lacking they
Re: To silenfo...@gmail.com, Re: corruption
[Made some corrections:] Tomo, the leasing of Cambodia’s land to other nations raised by you is an indication that the Cambodia is a place to create and growth. Such actions are unnecessarily and will cause unwanted effects later on. All they should do is to take out the weeds, sow some seeds and everything will be ready for harvest. The ruling government did not see it as they see just short term monetary gain. The natural world is smart and intelligent when left alone. Give it enough time it grows and provides, and never ask for any credit in return. Man of higher position goes in to upset its ecological balance, causing undesired effects and even dare to ask those below him for credit. Cambodia is a poor state is not because the land is a barren region like some countries in the African continent, but man made. Receiving aid by Cambodia to patch over the top of some places is not good enough for itself and the donors. I cannot imagine what would happen if aid is to be cut off suddenly. The other nations can not help Cambodia any better than giving some aid. They can not tell the Cambodian government to change the systems of rulings as they do not know its operational function levels, even if they do know and tell them it would still fall on deaf ears, beside it’s none of their business. We have been talking about some of the processes of cause and effect. What’s causing the destructiveness and creativeness processes? By understandings the root of it fundamentals problems it will help to give a long term solution to this country. At least there are still some people like you around with healthy mind whose is acting like an agent little by little for a healthier Cambodia. Instead of applying big forces randomly on wrong points and cause unwanted changes, the applying small forces on any right weak point will definitely cause big changes for the better. On Jun 11, 11:06 am, starplatinum silenfo...@gmail.com wrote: Tomo, the leasing of Cambodia’s land to other nations raised by you is an indication that the Cambodia is a place to create and growth. Such actions are unnecessarily and will cause and unwanted effects later on. All they should do is to take out the weeds, sow some seeds, everything will be ready for harvest. The ruling government did not see it, they see short term monetary gain. The natural world is smart and intelligent when left alone. Give it enough time it grows and provides, and never ask for any credit in return. Man of higher position goes in to upset its ecological balance and then ask those below him for credit. Cambodia is a poor state is not because the land is a barren region like some countries in the African continent, but man made. Receiving aid by Cambodia to patch over the top of some places is not good enough for itself and the donors. I cannot imagine what would happen if the aid is to be cut off suddenly. The other nations can not help Cambodia any better than giving some aid. They can not tell the Cambodian government to change the systems of rulings as they do not know its operational function levels, even if they do know and tell them it would still fall on deaf ears, beside it’s none of their business. We have been talking about some of the processes of cause and effect. What’s causing the destructives and creative processes? By understandings the root of it fundamentals problems it will help to give a long term solution to this country. At least there are still some people like you around with healthy mind whose is acting like an agent little by little for a healthier Cambodia. Instead of applying big forces randomly on wrong points and cause unwanted changes, the applying small forces on any right weak point will definitely cause big changes for the better. On Jun 11, 3:41 am, timothych...@aol.com wrote: Silenfores, Land-grabbing is a major problem facing Cambodian small farmers, peasants and poor. It is horrible to have the feeling that sooner or later your land and home will be stolen from you and there is nothing you can do to stop it. I wonder if PM Hun Sen and other officials ever have such a feeling like that. During last year electoral campaign, the issue was raised and put in front of Cambodian voters. However, most voters didn't think that it (land-grabbing) would happen to them. Additionally, the reasons why they didn't vote on this issue because they didn't belief that the oppositions could solve this issue either. Many felt that all politicians are the same and if the oppositions won the election, they would be more corrupt than the current officials. They believed that in Cambodian society poor people (if elected) tend to be more corrupt. Looking back to my experience in dealing with many politicians, I have to agree with the voters who thought that politicians are more or less the same. This is not to say that everyone is corrupt, but the majority
Re: When it’s surplus it reduces.
[Made some minor corrections and n added on] Man is a frustrated animal. For example, at the age of 15 years old, he would be most happy if he has $2000 to spend. How happy he would be if he has $50,000 to spend. Slowly he accumulates it at the age of 30. Let’s make it to $100,000 for spending spree, and he reaches the age of 40. No, it’s still not exciting enough; he wants to accumulate it to $600,000. At the age of 60 he makes it, but it’s still not enough, he wants it more. Finally he reaches his goal and accumulates it to $1,000,000 at the age of 80. By this time at this age he would be too tire to enjoy life and his money is of little value to him. You go through prep, kindergarten, primary school, high school, college, and university and the end result can be disappointing. Man thinks the final end is the most fun, but it’s not true. It’s the journey along the ways that count. Stop worrying about this and that. Enjoy life to the full whether you are young or old. The world will know how to take care and balance itself out. Look at the global recession. Some parts of the world have too much and many parts have too little. Although the divine do not take away from the rich and give it to the poor, it is reducing the surplus of the rich worldwide; therefore it’s become a global recession. If the poor want to be rich they have to be efficient in creating something. The two laws of nature are: When it’s efficient it creates and increases. When it’s surplus it reduces. On Jun 9, 10:12 pm, starplatinum silenfo...@gmail.com wrote: Man is a frustrated animal. For example, the age of 15 years old, he would be most happy if he has $2000 to spend. How happy he would be if he has $50,000 to spend. Slowly he accumulates it at the age of 30. Let’s make it to $100,000 for spending spree, and he reaches the age of 40. No, it’s still not exciting enough; he wants to accumulate it to $600,000. At the age of 60 he makes it, but it’s still not enough, he wants it more. Finally he reaches his goal and accumulates it to $1,000,000 at the age of 80. By this time at this age he would be too tire to enjoy life and his money is of little value to him. You go through prep, kindergarten, primary school, high school, college, and university and the end result can be disappointing. Man thinks the final end is the most fun, but it’s not true. It’s the journey along the ways that count. Stop worrying about this and that. Enjoy life to the full whether you are young or old. The world will know how to take care and balance itself out. Look at the global recession. Some parts of the world have too much and many parts have too little. Although the divine do not take away from the rich and give it to the poor, it is reducing the surplus of the rich. If the poor want to be rich they have to be efficient in creating something. The nature law is: When it’s efficient it creates and increases. When it’s surplus it reduces. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. To post to this group, send email to camdisc@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to camdisc-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc Learn more - http://www.cambodia.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: When it’s surplus it reduces.
Tim,Absolutely right, it’s not surprised at all. The ruling government lives on handout from the donors, what do you expected the millions of poor Cambodian to live on. The systems over there are most the corrupted and unproductive. You reap what you sow, if they don’t sow anything over there, of course they will have nothing to reap. Many people in the cities study real hard just are looking forward to get out of the country. The systems are unorganized and offer little opportunities for the populations as whole. The corrupted beaurocrates only interested in doing one signature and get at least $3,000. Someone I know wanted to help Cambodia so he organized to import agriculture products to sell at his shop. All those products have to pass about 5 signatures which would get him at least $15,000 excluding the cost of buying, containers and shipping. Where can he get the profit from? He also has to wait four weeks to get right amount he wants. In the end he has no choice but to import from Thailand and Vietnam. Everyone over there only interested in reaping, but not sow. So, I am not the least surprised if they are starving. On Jun 10, 2:04 am, timothych...@aol.com wrote: Interesting! Millions of Cambodians now are at the stage where they just wish to have enough food to eat, some basic shelters to cover their head, little medication for their illness, peace, justice and freedom to live as frustrated animal. === In a message dated 6/9/2009 8:12:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, silenfo...@gmail.com writes: Man is a frustrated animal. For example, the age of 15 years old, he would be most happy if he has $2000 to spend. How happy he would be if he has $50,000 to spend. Slowly he accumulates it at the age of 30. Let’s make it to $100,000 for spending spree, and he reaches the age of 40. No, it’s still not exciting enough; he wants to accumulate it to $600,000. At the age of 60 he makes it, but it’s still not enough, he wants it more. Finally he reaches his goal and accumulates it to $1,000,000 at the age of 80. By this time at this age he would be too tire to enjoy life and his money is of little value to him. You go through prep, kindergarten, primary school, high school, college, and university and the end result can be disappointing. Man thinks the final end is the most fun, but it’s not true. It’s the journey along the ways that count. Stop worrying about this and that. Enjoy life to the full whether you are young or old. The world will know how to take care and balance itself out. Look at the global recession. Some parts of the world have too much and many parts have too little. Although the divine do not take away from the rich and give it to the poor, it is reducing the surplus of the rich. If the poor want to be rich they have to be efficient in creating something. The nature law is: When it’s efficient it creates and increases. When it’s surplus it reduces. **Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown...) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. To post to this group, send email to camdisc@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to camdisc-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc Learn more - http://www.cambodia.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Om Yintieng's strategy in Handling with all Critical Issues in Cambodia
KY, To be honest, I don’t know anything about the Cambodian politics. Who is Om Yintieng? I have no idea. It’s good to see you drill into something like this. If you are not preparing to an action, drilling into something like this is a wasteful energy. “Your homework from now is to find out that where is Om Yintieng coming from? To whom his family clan is? Who are those two accompanians? Also, seek the reality that many important grassroots policemen and police posts have been employing former Vietnamese troops or Cambodians?” To answer your question, here is my answer. My two cousins have Om as the surname, but one has changed to Tan which is Chinese to avoid being captured in a country he used to live in as he broke so many rules and law. This smartass guy was always on the runs until he changed his full names and escape to Cambodia. I believe he is now working bodyguard for some officials. Their father was a Vietnamese descent who was born and brought up in Cambodia. Too bad, a high ranking Cambodia official has an Om as a surname. On Jun 8, 10:46 am, Khmer Young khmeryo...@gmail.com wrote: Sunday, June 7, 2009 Om Yintieng's Strategy in Handling with all Critical Issues in Cambodiahttp://cambodianbrightfuture.blogspot.com/2009/06/om-yintiengs-strate... Om Yintieng has used the same strategy to respond to all critical public expression and criticism by using the tactis of to arbitrarily oppose them or push them to the corner. For instance, in case of UN's human rights commission Peter Lebridge, Yas Ghai, Global Witness, and present Ambassador Carol Rodly etc. Why Om Yintieng has used this strategy? 1. To intimidate and silence the Cambodian people, 2. To corner them in order to shut the mouth of those critics. *Om Yengtieng on Corruption Denialhttp://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9iiu2_om-yengtieng-on-corruption-de... * *Uploaded by khmermediawatch http://www.dailymotion.com/khmermediawatch. - News videos from around the world.http://www.dailymotion.com/us/channel/news * Just look at the external protocol, we know that Om Yintieng's strategy is to manipulate and divert the attention of Cambodian people as much as he can: 1. He is using National Television Network to persuade the Cambodian public. We don't know how many times this TVK has aired his speech, but his first intention is to give lesson to all Cambodian people with his personal logic to divert the real intention and the real issue of corruption. He justified many things involving corruption such as using his survey statistics (but in our mind want to know how many people he asked questions? How is his survey procedures etc? Why he didn't elaborate it). He used his speech to buy the mind of Cambodian farmers that corruption cannot instabilize the country or it is not the priority for Cambodia's current problems or curruption is not the serious thing for Cambodia. He accepted to resign from his post if he cannot achieve to pass the corruption laws, but it is clearly showing his unwillingness. 2. Everyone has been aware that corruption is underminding all problems in Cambodia: socio, political and economical problems. But Mr. Om Yintieng intentionally articulated his own rationalization by linking to the opinion of Cambodian people that corruption will solely help finding justice in legal system as well as court procedures in Cambodia. Your homework from now is to find out that where is Om Yintieng coming from? To whom his family clan is? Who are those two accompanians? Also, seek the reality that many important grassroots policemen and police posts have been employing former Vietnamese troops or Cambodians? 3. He also spoke on behalf of poor payment to teachers and public servants that the accusation to them about poor salary will conduct more corrupted can not be acceptable. He justified his righteousness to stay close with those poor and low classes ranking public servants. But in reality, everyone has clearly known that incumbent Cambodian government has treated those lower public servants poorly. Their salary cannot afford a decent living. Their hope is waiting the day that government will increase their salary. But at the present they have to try their best for their stomach and family. The morality and ethics of those public servants have been deteriorated by Om Yintieng's government. Those lower public servants are the victime of those powerful and Om Yintieng's vanguard. 4. Critically, the two men accompanied Om Yintieng in this TVK alienably look non-Khmer personality. This also include Om Yintieng himself. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jVCbxaOxjhA/SixMywSGMlI/ASM/JpkPalf...Your homework from now is to find out that where is Om Yintieng coming from? To whom his family clan is? Who are those two accompanians? Also, seek the reality that many important grassroots policemen and police posts have been employing former Vietnamese troops or Cambodians? The
Re: Khmers are Khmer
Tim, Agree, I like to add to it. There are many fundamental flaws in the Cambodia’s society that need to be changed in order to compete/ flow with the world. However, the one object that is needed to change now is they have been taught that power and wealth are outside of their own country. Cambodia has been reaching out to many nations for wealth and power for 101 years. Every time when the Khmer leaders go to visit other country, the first question they would normally raise is that they have money problems and they need help with money. They don’t go there to offer/ help other people, but to get and get with no shame. Occasionally they ask outside help to get involved in domestic disputes which resulted in shaping what Cambodia is now. Cambodia is now today is the result of Cambodia’s self creation. The laws of nature are powerful and should not be toyed with like a man made law. By misusing it, it can create great havocs. By using it properly it can create prosperity. By reaching out to the world for wealth, it’s recognized by the world as a beggar country. By reaching out to the world for power, it’s recognized by the world as incompetent and the disgraces in the killing fields will stain forever. And they still haven’t learned their lessons. The creation of power wealth are in every one of us regardless of nationalities and the creation of power wealth are in every country including Cambodia. On Jun 9, 4:19 am, timothych...@aol.com wrote: KC, It's important for all Khmers to stick together regardless of where we are and who we are. Geographical divisions should not divide our heart, mind, soul and nationality. Overseas Khmers have been called as Anekachun which by definition we are only foreign national living inside Cambodia under its protection. The intention to divide Khmer people should be stopped by all members of different political parties and political beliefs. We have been given ammunitions to other nations to destroy us for years. It's time to stop the rhetoric. Have a great day Bro, Regards, === In a message dated 6/8/2009 1:37:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kourk_chh...@yahoo.com writes: Dear bang and all, The point is the porverty problem cannot blame anybody but the government themself, it's the government job to use fund properly to help the poor not fillup their own bank accounts, we Khmer outside, some of us are barely support ourselves, pay our monthly debts, but we still be able to manage some little money to help our brothers, sisters their be cause they are one of us. KC Khoar Chev ( Made in Cambodia ) --- On Mon, 6/8/09, timothych...@aol.com timothych...@aol.com wrote: From: timothych...@aol.com timothych...@aol.com Subject: Khmers are Khmer To: camdisc@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 9:33 AM Download the _AOL Classifieds Toolbar_ (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown...) for local deals at your fingertips. **Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown...) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. To post to this group, send email to camdisc@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to camdisc-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc Learn more - http://www.cambodia.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Internalize beliefs, don't just talk
Kangaroo, I could not agree more! You are perfectly correct. On May 28, 1:36 am, kangaroo therabbitn...@netscape.net wrote: On May 27, 5:46 pm, starplatinum silenfo...@gmail.com wrote: Kangaroo, I don’t think you are ready for a deep answer, but I’m going to give some, even if you don’t understand because your ideology so deep seated, it will serve as useful purpose for other researchers. Perhaps you don't have any answers. If you do, you came out with it already instead of railroading it. I can say the same thing. I would not tell you anything since you don't have enough intelligent to understand it. In fact, this kind of comment is being used to side tract so one doesn't have to answer the question. Man goes to wars for many reasons, though the two popular wars are about greed and another one is about different in ideology, sometimes both. If you know so much, why can't you answer this simple question? Here it is again. If Cambodians really believed in Buddha, why did they kill millions of their own people in their own country? If a country goes to war on another country on greed, they would spare the enemies’ food supply, women children, culture and other treasures. Let's get back to the question. If Cambodians really believed in Buddha, why did they kill millions of their own people in their own country? You seems to be really intelligent to answer this simple question. Do you have the answer? In World War II, the Nazi started war in Europe was about greed when Europe was in a recession. However Hitler war on the Jews in Europe was about ideology and morality. The Nazi spare the life of non-Jews, but many Jews were totally terminated including women and children. You can't even compare Cambodians of any kind to Hitler regime. My friend, Nazi was an intellectual who lead a modern country, not like Cambodia who was searching for a solution for their own society. The last and bloody war in Cambodia was not about greed, but different in ideology and morality. The Khmer Rogues they hated the system of belief of their enemies so much, that their only solution was total termination of non-Khmer Rogues, and then replace it with their own which were never materialized. Yet, the question being asked remains the same. Why did Cambodians kill millions of their own people if they really believed in Buddha? Do you have any answers to that? They did not realize their stupidity in which they destroyed their temples, the cultures, the schools, the arts, music which were collect for many centuries. In fact, they destroyed everything they could get their hands on result in brought their own country back to the Year Zero. Now we are talking. It seems that those idiots did not believe in Buddha. They said they did. But they really didn't know what they said. Hence, the comment must be true. Cambodians do not truely believe in Buddha. They do when their belief benefits them. They don't when it doesn't. Is it true? The sad thing is their own enemies were their own kind. It means that they are not Budha believers. If they were, they would not have killed like people kill animals for foods. Now I would like to talk about you. Your Khmer attitude is appalling. Basically you should have a good look at yourself because your typically Khmer behavior is so disturbing that almost everyone here avoids you, but you are still chasing after them with your ideology which no one wants. And ..? What are we talking about here? What have you been doing it? Now are you trying to attack the messenger to avoid answering the questions? Many Cambodians have come before have done it. It's not new. That's right. They destroy one's personality to silent the truth. Is that what you are trying to do? You seem to have hatred for the ideology of this Cambodian opposition Sam Rainsy so much. If you were in power will you totally terminate and destroy him, his teams and supporters like the Khmer Rouges did to Cambodia in the past? That's right. Sam Rainsy and his clan are not different from many others. They destroy others so they can have the power. Sam Rainsy preached division from the very beginning. He uses democracy to cover his division. My friend, If he is a true country lover, he would preach unity of the Cambodian society, not some. Sam Rainsy preaches hates and elevate his own as the only good things in life. Any CPP and some others are not good enough. They deserve to be eliminated according to Sam Rainsy ideology. Is that what Cambodians really need after year zero? Here is my comment. Ofcourse, Cambodians don't need division as Sam Rainsy has been preaching. Cambodia badly needed unity than never before after the destruction of Khmer Rouge. Sam Rainsy and his party have not displayed any of that kind of couragement since the very beginning. He would run overseas whenever he has problem
Re: Internalize beliefs, don't just talk
Kangaroo, I don’t think you are ready for a deep answer, but I’m going to give some, even if you don’t understand because your ideology so deep seated, it will serve as useful purpose for other researchers. Man goes to wars for many reasons, though the two popular wars are about greed and another one is about different in ideology, sometimes both. If a country goes to war on another country on greed, they would spare the enemies’ food supply, women children, culture and other treasures. If a country goes to war because of their different in ideologies, nothing would be spared, it’s would be a total destruction. In World War II, the Nazi started war in Europe was about greed when Europe was in a recession. However Hitler war on the Jews in Europe was about ideology and morality. The Nazi spare the life of non-Jews, but many Jews were totally terminated including women and children. The last and bloody war in Cambodia was not about greed, but different in ideology and morality. The Khmer Rogues they hated the system of belief of their enemies so much, that their only solution was total termination of non-Khmer Rogues, and then replace it with their own which were never materialized. They did not realize their stupidity in which they destroyed their temples, the cultures, the schools, the arts, music which were collect for many centuries. In fact, they destroyed everything they could get their hands on result in brought their own country back to the Year Zero. The sad thing is their own enemies were their own kind. Now I would like to talk about you. Your Khmer attitude is appalling. Basically you should have a good look at yourself because your typically Khmer behavior is so disturbing that almost everyone here avoids you, but you are still chasing after them with your ideology which no one wants. You seem to have hatred for the ideology of this Cambodian opposition Sam Rainsy so much. If you were in power will you totally terminate and destroy him, his teams and supporters like the Khmer Rouges did to Cambodia in the past? On May 28, 3:36 am, kangaroo therabbitn...@netscape.net wrote: Thank you. This display is a typical behavior of many Cambodians who love to railroad a subject which lead to the ugly truth of the society. My friend, Cambodian facts cannot be changed. The fact is that Cambodians millions of their own people in their own country. The fact is that Cambodians have claimed to be Buddha believers. These two facts are contradicted. So which one is true. A conclusion can be found. We know that Cambodians killed millions of their own while claiming to be buddhists. So the claim of their belief is false. That's why we have come to a conclusion that Cambodian belief in Buddha is a seasonal belief. They only believe in buddha when it benefits them. They destroy them when they are not. This is only the conclusion that we can come out with from the reality in Cambodia. On May 26, 4:33 pm, starplatinum silenfo...@gmail.com wrote: Kangaroo, At that time in Cambodia agriculture was its number one priority. As a country in shortage of fertilizers, the massive killing were needed so they could growth food to keep some people like you alive. Buddha must be pleased to see you alive and have so much fun with the Internet while Buddha got at his time were Bodhi trees to sit under for its shades. On May 26, 5:03 pm, kangaroo therabbitn...@netscape.net wrote: My friend, That's called a seasonal belief. They believe in Buddha when it benefits them. They don't when it benefits them. It means that they really don't believe in Buddha. They only do it when it benefits them. On May 25, 1:04 am, Krakmo Kaing krakmo.ka...@orange.fr wrote: It's not an appropriated envirement to discuss this issue in this page bcz it's large to say. Cambodia has praticized bouddhism since several centuries and there we are as today as situation. So one day we will be together to have to review all the bouddhist institution(in Cambodia). You Kangaroo, it seems you blaspheme all kind of bouddhism and you have not deserve to raise this question. My friend, Cambodians don't show the world their own religion. If they really believe in Budha, they would not have done it as they have been doing in the last century. This is fact. How can a Budha believer kill? In the Cambodian case, they killed in millions. What kind of Budha believer is that? krakmo Message du 24/05/09 09:52 De : kangaroo A : Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) -www.cambodia.org Copie à : Objet : Re: Internalize beliefs, don't just talk Can't you answer the question? If Cambodians really believe in Buddha, why did they kill their own people in their own country? Does it mean that they stopped believing Buddha temporarily? On May 22, 2:07 pm, sacravatoons wrote: It's not the Religion
Re: Internalize beliefs, don't just talk
Kangaroo, I don’t think you are ready for a deep answer, but I’m going to give some, even if you don’t understand because your ideology so deep seated, it will serve as useful purpose for other researchers. Man goes to wars for many reasons, though the two popular wars are about greed and another one is about different in ideology, sometimes both. If a country goes to war on another country on greed, they would spare the enemies’ food supply, women children, culture and other treasures. If a country goes to war because of their different in ideologies, nothing would be spared, it’s would be a total destruction. In World War II, the Nazi started war in Europe was about greed when Europe was in a recession. However Hitler war on the Jews in Europe was about ideology and morality. The Nazi spare the life of non-Jews, but many Jews were totally terminated including women and children. The last and bloody war in Cambodia was not about greed, but different in ideology and morality. The Khmer Rogues they hated the system of belief of their enemies so much, that their only solution was total termination of non-Khmer Rogues, and then replace it with their own which were never materialized. They did not realize their stupidity in which they destroyed their temples, the cultures, the schools, the arts, music which were collect for many centuries. In fact, they destroyed everything they could get their hands on result in brought their own country back to the Year Zero. The sad thing is their own enemies were their own kind. Now I would like to talk about you. Your Khmer attitude is appalling. Basically you should have a good look at yourself because your typically Khmer behavior is so disturbing that almost everyone here avoids you, but you are still chasing after them with your ideology which no one wants. You seem to have hatred for the ideology of this Cambodian opposition Sam Rainsy so much. If you were in power will you totally terminate and destroy him, his teams and supporters like the Khmer Rouges did to Cambodia in the past? On May 28, 3:36 am, kangaroo therabbitn...@netscape.net wrote: Thank you. This display is a typical behavior of many Cambodians who love to railroad a subject which lead to the ugly truth of the society. My friend, Cambodian facts cannot be changed. The fact is that Cambodians millions of their own people in their own country. The fact is that Cambodians have claimed to be Buddha believers. These two facts are contradicted. So which one is true. A conclusion can be found. We know that Cambodians killed millions of their own while claiming to be buddhists. So the claim of their belief is false. That's why we have come to a conclusion that Cambodian belief in Buddha is a seasonal belief. They only believe in buddha when it benefits them. They destroy them when they are not. This is only the conclusion that we can come out with from the reality in Cambodia. On May 26, 4:33 pm, starplatinum silenfo...@gmail.com wrote: Kangaroo, At that time in Cambodia agriculture was its number one priority. As a country in shortage of fertilizers, the massive killing were needed so they could growth food to keep some people like you alive. Buddha must be pleased to see you alive and have so much fun with the Internet while Buddha got at his time were Bodhi trees to sit under for its shades. On May 26, 5:03 pm, kangaroo therabbitn...@netscape.net wrote: My friend, That's called a seasonal belief. They believe in Buddha when it benefits them. They don't when it benefits them. It means that they really don't believe in Buddha. They only do it when it benefits them. On May 25, 1:04 am, Krakmo Kaing krakmo.ka...@orange.fr wrote: It's not an appropriated envirement to discuss this issue in this page bcz it's large to say. Cambodia has praticized bouddhism since several centuries and there we are as today as situation. So one day we will be together to have to review all the bouddhist institution(in Cambodia). You Kangaroo, it seems you blaspheme all kind of bouddhism and you have not deserve to raise this question. My friend, Cambodians don't show the world their own religion. If they really believe in Budha, they would not have done it as they have been doing in the last century. This is fact. How can a Budha believer kill? In the Cambodian case, they killed in millions. What kind of Budha believer is that? krakmo Message du 24/05/09 09:52 De : kangaroo A : Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) -www.cambodia.org Copie à : Objet : Re: Internalize beliefs, don't just talk Can't you answer the question? If Cambodians really believe in Buddha, why did they kill their own people in their own country? Does it mean that they stopped believing Buddha temporarily? On May 22, 2:07 pm, sacravatoons wrote: It's not the Religion
Re: Internalize beliefs, don't just talk
Kangaroo, At that time in Cambodia agriculture was its number one priority. As a country in shortage of fertilizers, the massive killing were needed so they could growth food to keep some people like you alive. Buddha must be pleased to see you alive and have so much fun with the Internet while Buddha got at his time were Bodhi trees to sit under for its shades. On May 26, 5:03 pm, kangaroo therabbitn...@netscape.net wrote: My friend, That's called a seasonal belief. They believe in Buddha when it benefits them. They don't when it benefits them. It means that they really don't believe in Buddha. They only do it when it benefits them. On May 25, 1:04 am, Krakmo Kaing krakmo.ka...@orange.fr wrote: It's not an appropriated envirement to discuss this issue in this page bcz it's large to say. Cambodia has praticized bouddhism since several centuries and there we are as today as situation. So one day we will be together to have to review all the bouddhist institution(in Cambodia). You Kangaroo, it seems you blaspheme all kind of bouddhism and you have not deserve to raise this question. My friend, Cambodians don't show the world their own religion. If they really believe in Budha, they would not have done it as they have been doing in the last century. This is fact. How can a Budha believer kill? In the Cambodian case, they killed in millions. What kind of Budha believer is that? krakmo Message du 24/05/09 09:52 De : kangaroo A : Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) -www.cambodia.org Copie à : Objet : Re: Internalize beliefs, don't just talk Can't you answer the question? If Cambodians really believe in Buddha, why did they kill their own people in their own country? Does it mean that they stopped believing Buddha temporarily? On May 22, 2:07 pm, sacravatoons wrote: It's not the Religion believe at all. It's a brain washed and ideology. The Japanese Imperial Army had chopped off so many Chinese heads during their invasion in Nanjing Massacre,December 13,1939. Hitler's army had killed so many innocent people during the second World War,including the numbers of Jewish People. Islam, Buddhism, Christianity, and others religions do not tell people to kill each other . Because their greeds powers have lead them to achieve their goals by using the religions as its tool. Cheers, Bun H. Ung CAN I ASK A QUESTION ? IF CAMBODIANS REALLY BELIEVE IN BUDDHA IN GENERAL, WHY DID CAMBODIANS KILL AND TORTURED THE WHOLE COUNTRY DURING THE KHMER ROUGE REIGN? WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT A FEW BUNCH OF NUT CASES. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THOSE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS FROM A SMALL GROUP TO COMMUNE AND UP AT THE PEOPLE LEVEL. WHY DID THOSE PEOPLE KILL AND TORTURE THEIR OWN PEOPLE? IF YOU THINK THAT THEY DID BECAUSE THEY WERE TOLD TO DO IT, YOU MAY BE RIGHT. YET, THEY STILL KILLED AND TORTURED WITH THEIR OWN HANDS. WHY DID THEY DO It IF THEY BELIEVE IN BUDDHA VERY MUCH? On May 21, 8:54 am, kourk_chh...@yahoo.com wrote: KY, Good analyze! During the KR time, I lived next to a Pagoda in Phoum Chah, songkatt Teuk Cho, Preah Neth Preah, former Khet BB now Bonteay Mean Chei, there was a young monk named Nam ( in early 76'S there was still some buddah temples ), he was a very kind monk, he used to come to talked with my father, helping build our hut and sometime he brough left over food from the temple to my family. Later, the KR ordered to close all temples, Nam became a Chhloab ( Like Kinh or 2B ), and the same time the killing started, and something happened to him beyond my understand, he became a cruel killer, every night we lived in fear, especially when we heard Nam's horse bell ( unlike others whose rode a bike , he rode a horse ), we always asked ourselves Who is the one gonna be tonight? I saw him , one day, beat up a 7 year old boy who was accused of stealing water melon from the Suon Komar , and slam him against the temple wall... After all, I think we don't have to be Khmer Pouch Neak Chombaing or follow 100% the teaching of Buddah, however, remember one of the Buddah teaching Teung Pek Vear Dach...Thoo Pek Vear Phleav(?) (sorry, I'm not sure exactly what the word was ) , meanly Be flexible , not too arrogant nor humle, also we should understand that SOME Khmers have this attitude, if they see someone succeed/rising they jealous with them, dodn't want them to grow, but if they see someone so humble, they think those people are stupid and look down them as trash. Just my 2 Cambodian Cents KC Khoar Chev ( Made in Cambodia ) --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Khmer Young wrote: From: Khmer Young Subject: Internalize beliefs,
Re: Violence-prone political behavior of current Cambodian political leaders
*one correction on see* Khmer Young, I appreciate your analysis input into the situations where you find behavior of certain people is not appropriate. It’s not possible to change these people, but by becoming aware you do not want to behave like ones, is all you need for the moment. The opposite long is short, the opposite of good is evil, the opposite of birth is death, and the opposite of light is dark. The other end and its opposite is part of one another. Without the other one, you can’t define the other one. The opposite of ego is spiritual or sacred self. Ego is about threat, kill, destruction, arrogant, power, fame, greed and so on. Spiritual is about giving, caring, life, growth, healing, love, freedom and so on. Cambodia is a country run by the ego boost for a long time. This is why you see all the elements of ego in the country. Those who chosen ego as their behavior does not want to know anything about the dimensions of spirits. If you talk about spiritual to them, they will feel threaten by it. The ego is likely to have an ideology that falsely claim it be spiritual and forcing it onto other people. Those who do not agree with theirs belief system are view as enemies or even evil because they threaten by the spiritual dimensions. They will do anything to sabotage the arrival of any spiritual element onto them. It’s an unconsciously decision by the ego to protect itself. On May 23, 10:27 pm, starplatinum silenfo...@gmail.com wrote: Khmer Young, I appreciate your analysis input into the situations where you find behavior of certain people is not appropriate. It’s not possible to change these people, but by becoming aware you do not want to behave like ones, is all you need for the moment. The opposite long is short, the opposite of good is evil, the opposite of birth is death, and the opposite of light is dark. The other end and its opposite is part of one another. Without the other one, you can’t define the other one. The opposite of ego is spiritual or sacred self. Ego is about threat, kill, destruction, arrogant, power, fame, greed and so on. Spiritual is about giving, caring, life, growth, healing, love, freedom and so on. Cambodia is a country run by the ego boost for a long time. This is why you all the elements of ego in the country. Those who chosen ego as their behavior does not want to know anything about the dimensions of spirits. If you talk about spiritual to them, they will feel threaten by it. The ego is likely to have an ideology that falsely claim it be spiritual and forcing it onto other people. Those who do not agree with theirs belief system are view as enemies or even evil because they threaten by the spiritual dimensions. They will do anything to sabotage the arrival of any spiritual element onto them. It’s an unconsciously decision by the ego to protect itself. On May 23, 7:43 pm, Khmer Young khmeryo...@gmail.com wrote: Saturday, May 23, 2009 Violence-prone political behavior of Cambodian political leadershttp://cambodianbrightfuture.blogspot.com/2009/05/top-lawyer-declines... Comment: Incumbent Cambodian political leaders have excessively undertaken violence-prone political behavior. Though the brutal Khmer Rouge regime has been disappeared but its violent legacy is still spread via behavior of many current Cambodian political leaders. Hun Sen himself is the role model of violence-prone political leader in CPP. Beside him, many CPP's elites are violence-prone members such as Om Yintieng, Kiev Kannaridh, Phay Siphan, Hun Neng and Dr.Heng Vong Bunchat who experts in judiciary system in Cambodia. Many times, these leaders have publicly expressed violence through their public speech. Once, older brother of Hun Sen, Hun Neng wanted to hit global witness's staff with hammer. Now, Heng Vong Bunchat who is entitled as a doctor of laws has used his derogatory words explicitly intimidated VOA radio journalist. Violence-prone politics have deeply embedded in the CPP. Court Drops Judicial Academy Bribery Case By Sok Khemara, VOA Khmer Original report from Washington *22 May 2009* *Click here to listen the real audio interviewing with Dr.Heng Vong Bunchathttp://www.voanews.com/mediaassets/khmer/2009_05/Audio/Mp3/090522%20j... * *[Editor’s note: Four former and current students at the Royal Academy for Judicial Professions, a Phnom Penh court official, an official at the Ministry of Justice and others have explained to VOA Khmer in recent months that academy students must pay bribes of between $20,000 and $150,000 to have seats in the judicial system after they graduate. Government officials held a press conference last week to refute the allegations. For further clarification, VOA Khmer called one of the government’s top lawyers, Heng Vong Bunchat. He spoke on Wednesday to Sok Khemara, who called from Washington. Heng Vong Bunchat appeared to confuse Sok Khemara
Re: My Cambodian foster daughter
Dear Len, According to the law of increase, when you give, it should be a pleasure to give and for a right cause. If you are sincere, meaning to give without a string attach, what you gave out will return to you in multiply at a right place and time, not necessarily in term of money, but other things, sometime even money can not buy such as health, happiness and longer life. However, you are being deceived to give which you do not like when found out as the money is to be misused by a receiver or deceiver then it is like sowing a seed on a pavement road or in a desert, in this case it’s would be fruitless for anyone. Many government official workers get about $300 per month, but most drive Lexus SUV. They do not recognize any spiritual principle of generosity from their donors. If they do they would have share some of the donors’ aid with their own people, but they don’t. It's a blessing to give than to receive. Many countries including you are handling out aid to Cambodia and other poor third world countries and fulfill the law of increase. If Cambodia and its government are only interested in getting the handouts and never give anything back to less fortune countries than itself especially when in a bad disaster like earthquakes, cyclones, floods and wars then Cambodia will always remain poor for a very long time. You have good intention for your foster daughter. If she prepares to lie because someone else tells her to lie, she is partly responsible for that act and not totally innocent. You have the good intentions and hope it will bear some fruits some days. On May 18, 2:53 pm, Len Graceffo rosedalepa...@hotmail.com wrote: Dear TSC, Thank you for your feedback. I needed to hear that. I'm so ashamed of Canada for being a puppet of the U.S. and sitting back while the U.S. bombed the shit out of Cambodia. We're responsible for the KR's atrocities by allowing them to stay in power as long as we did. My hope was that maybe not the parents but the children would recognize the spiritual principle of generousity and incorporate that into their lives as they grow older. Planting a small seed might bear fruit down the road. Among people 40 and over trust seems to be an issue amongst themselves. When I started this 2 years ago I told the family I would do this until Srey Mach was 18. I've also told Srey Mach that I will send her to University with room and board if she wants/qualifies. Just her. I'm aware that if she chooses this I will have to put controls in place. You're absolutely right about the values of hard work but are there any jobs in the rual villages besides sporadic farming? Many people seem to be unemployed. Aside from the bustling markets and the older people who seem to be busy its the 18-25 year olds who seem to have a lot of time on their hands. Maybe I am doing more harm than good. I work a minimum of 60 hour weeks in the oilsands of Alberta, Canada. I know the value of a dollar. Thanx again. Regards, Lenny G Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 08:35:00 -0700 Subject: Re: My Cambodian foster daughter From: timothych...@aol.com To: camdisc@googlegroups.com Hi Lenny, You are caught in the never-ending support to these people. $100.00 a month falling from the sky is very helpful for any family, regardless of its size. Many people are breaking their back for $50.00 (of some 60 hours/week hard-laboring work) in a factory. While I appreciate your good intention, I think you do more harm than help by not teaching these people the values of hard work. I doubt that you can get this $100.00 from a Canadian tree; you work for it, don’t you? Cambodian society now is a society dominated by “beggars” where many people expect special handouts from people like you and others who are heartbroken from seeing their poverty and injustices in Cambodia. They love you to death when you feed them freely, but at the moment that you stop helping them or putting any conditions on them, it’s almost certain that you will become their foe overnight. If this will happen, please don’t be disappointed. Just think that it was an unconditional love that you have for them. Such thought may set you free, but that is what they are banking on. 100 years from now, these people will still begging for free contributions. There are so many tricks and lies (I have no ideas where they learned them from) to break your heart. Some use sickness, diseases and family’s problems to beg; some use social or political injustices to request your assistance; others just create their personal lies. It happens throughout the country and in all institutions. It is a cancer in Cambodian modern society. Government is looking for handouts; politicians are also looking for handouts and NGOs, too, are looking for handouts; and much of contributions have been abused. When is it going to end? One Cambodian lives near me here in New York was
