Re: camping paid examples + screencasts ?
Great! The first thing is to decide *what* to screencast... the 'blog in 10 minutes' idea is a bit old (although an updated version would be good because there's an old Camping one out there somewhere)... Any suggestions for a useful, current and easy topic for a Camping screencast? - DaveE I'd be more than happy to help with screencasts and writing. I'm quite good with Final Cut and Motion, but someone else would need to take the lead on that and delegate tasks to me, as my mind is tied up in other projects for the next few months. ___ Camping-list mailing list Camping-list@rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list
Re: camping paid examples + screencasts ?
a site for your comics, a multiplayer game? — Jenna On Wednesday, 28 March 2012 at 1:45 AM, Dave Everitt wrote: > Great! The first thing is to decide *what* to screencast... the 'blog in 10 > minutes' idea is a bit old (although an updated version would be good because > there's an old Camping one out there somewhere)... > > Any suggestions for a useful, current and easy topic for a Camping screencast? > > - DaveE > > I'd be more than happy to help with screencasts and writing. I'm quite good > > with Final Cut and Motion, but someone else would need to take the lead on > > that and delegate tasks to me, as my mind is tied up in other projects for > > the next few months. > > > ___ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list@rubyforge.org (mailto:Camping-list@rubyforge.org) > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list > > ___ Camping-list mailing list Camping-list@rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list
Re: camping paid examples + screencasts ?
Camping sites camping site On Tuesday, March 27, 2012, Jenna Fox wrote: > a site for your comics, a multiplayer game? > — > Jenna > > On Wednesday, 28 March 2012 at 1:45 AM, Dave Everitt wrote: > > Great! The first thing is to decide *what* to screencast... the 'blog in 10 minutes' idea is a bit old (although an updated version would be good because there's an old Camping one out there somewhere)... > Any suggestions for a useful, current and easy topic for a Camping screencast? > - DaveE > > I'd be more than happy to help with screencasts and writing. I'm quite good with Final Cut and Motion, but someone else would need to take the lead on that and delegate tasks to me, as my mind is tied up in other projects for the next few months. > > ___ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list@rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list > -- =^.^=--- ___ Camping-list mailing list Camping-list@rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list
Re: camping paid examples + screencasts ?
Hello :) Isak and I are working on some screencasts but of course the more the better :) BTW the blog idea is indeed old but, excuse my ignorance, working as a complete beginning with the example at http://stuff.judofyr.net/camping-docs/book/02_getting_started.html I don't really like that the camping.db is hidden somewhere e.g. should be in the home directory but is not. My feeling is that perhaps this example is more for people familiar with rails or the whole active record system. Coming from PHP it is really different. On another note I read recently running Sinatra (from o'reilly) and I was very disappointed with their blog example. It basically has no login and serves static pages to reduce the overhead. Fine here but I did the same on my blog in bash with 20 lines with no dependencies. Perhaps I am missing something great about all this ..well hidden under the hood ? Jenna: love the comics idea. Would you have any time to do it ? Would make it a paid project for you be of any help ? I read that you will be busy in the next months so I am not sure if is something you can do or it would be after 2-3 months :) Thanks David On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Jenna Fox wrote: > a site for your comics, a multiplayer game? > > — > Jenna > > On Wednesday, 28 March 2012 at 1:45 AM, Dave Everitt wrote: > > Great! The first thing is to decide *what* to screencast... the 'blog in > 10 minutes' idea is a bit old (although an updated version would be good > because there's an old Camping one out there somewhere)... > > Any suggestions for a useful, current and easy topic for a Camping > screencast? > > - DaveE > > I'd be more than happy to help with screencasts and writing. I'm quite > good with Final Cut and Motion, but someone else would need to take the > lead on that and delegate tasks to me, as my mind is tied up in other > projects for the next few months. > > ___ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list@rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list > > > > ___ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list@rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list > ___ Camping-list mailing list Camping-list@rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list
Re: camping paid examples + screencasts ?
Hi Adam, do you mean the camping website to be done in camping ? If it is so good point. Well I am sure that Jenna and Magnus had many things to take care of and what they went for was the most suitable solution. Still I think that having the camping website done in camping would make a lot of sense. After all why someone would use it if the main camping website doesn't ? The problem is always time I guess so better a simple no-camping website than no website I guess :) Regards David On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 5:03 PM, adam moore wrote: > Camping sites camping site > > > On Tuesday, March 27, 2012, Jenna Fox wrote: > > a site for your comics, a multiplayer game? > > — > > Jenna > > > > On Wednesday, 28 March 2012 at 1:45 AM, Dave Everitt wrote: > > > > Great! The first thing is to decide *what* to screencast... the 'blog in > 10 minutes' idea is a bit old (although an updated version would be good > because there's an old Camping one out there somewhere)... > > Any suggestions for a useful, current and easy topic for a Camping > screencast? > > - DaveE > > > > I'd be more than happy to help with screencasts and writing. I'm quite > good with Final Cut and Motion, but someone else would need to take the > lead on that and delegate tasks to me, as my mind is tied up in other > projects for the next few months. > > > > ___ > > Camping-list mailing list > > Camping-list@rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list > > > > -- > =^.^=--- > > ___ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list@rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list > ___ Camping-list mailing list Camping-list@rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list
Re: camping paid examples + screencasts ?
Isak and I are working on some screencasts but of course the more the better :) well, if you're already at work, let's wait... no need to duplicate results! Perhaps post here for comments before the final edit? BTW the blog idea is indeed old but, excuse my ignorance, working as a complete beginning with the example at http://stuff.judofyr.net/camping-docs/book/02_getting_started.html Fine - there's also the blog example that illustrates Camping's all-in- one-file capability :-) https://github.com/camping/camping/blob/master/examples/blog.rb I don't really like that the camping.db is hidden somewhere e.g. should be in the home directory but is not. It doesn't have to be. You could include setting the path in your screencast: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9086590/where-does-camping-store-my-database My feeling is that perhaps this example is more for people familiar with rails or the whole active record system. I agree that a 'pure' Camping approach is best - people are coming from other backgrounds. And (as you probably know) Camping can use other ORMs and/or DBs: Mongo: http://blog.monnet-usa.com/?p=288 CouchDB (might need a test/update): http://www.timgittos.com/archives/going-camping-with-couchdb-on-os-x-tiger/ https://github.com/Bluebie/ShyCouch DaveE ___ Camping-list mailing list Camping-list@rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list
Re: camping paid examples + screencasts ?
Hi Dave! > It doesn't have to be. You could include setting the path in your > screencast: > > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9086590/where-does-camping-store-my-database > > Right I found this too but seriously do a normal, new user have to dig till stackoverflow to find this out ? I think that db connection, especially MySQL (because I don't think the small average web app would need mongo/couch but that's just me) should be fairly straightforward. Again since I do not have knowledge of rails this might be just my problem ... if the target is people using rails may be more clarity is not needed. Will read further on the coach db - camping stuff. Thanks for sharing this ! (BTW perhaps it would make sense to unify some of these tutorials on the camping website?). I hope I am not being too critical. Just sharing my view as someone with no rails background jumping into this. Regards David ___ Camping-list mailing list Camping-list@rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list
Re: camping paid examples + screencasts ?
Hi David seriously do a normal, new user have to dig till stackoverflow to find this out ? I think that db connection, especially MySQL (because I don't think the small average web app would need mongo/ couch but that's just me) should be fairly straightforward. it is, it's just not immediately documented although there are some (a bit out-of-date) posts on MySQL and Camping. The idea is that you can use what you like, but perhaps an example for each case would be in order... Again since I do not have knowledge of rails this might be just my problem ... if the target is people using rails may be more clarity is not needed. no, I think camping has a separate user base (wild claim, no stats) and although (being Ruby) many are familiar with/also use RoR, this isn't taken for granted and shouldn't appear as if it is... (BTW perhaps it would make sense to unify some of these tutorials on the camping website?). I hope I am not being too critical. not at all, it's good to have new users! As for unifying things... well, that's been tried before :-) the thing is, although we all get on, the varying ideas about Camping's 'public face' each have a unique take on things. http://camping.rubyforge.org/ is the main starting- point, and (as you know) Philippe Monnet's site also has a lot of useful tutorials e.g. this one on OAuth http://blog.monnet-usa.com/?p=293 But if you'd like to list what you've found useful (or compile a set of ideas for brief guides to Camping) at some point I'm sure there'll be a way to get it added somewhere findable... I might even do it myself :-) Dave ___ Camping-list mailing list Camping-list@rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list
Re: camping paid examples + screencasts ?
Hi Dave :) On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Dave Everitt wrote: > > it is, it's just not immediately documented although there are some (a bit > out-of-date) posts on MySQL and Camping. The idea is that you can use what > you like, but perhaps an example for each case would be in order... > Yes what I mean for example is that somewhere clearly on the camping book we should have something like "Database: by default and in this example... camping creates an sqlite database called camping.db located by default in your home folder under .camping.db This is done for simplicity but you can easily define your own db engine .." I don't want to compare this to other solutions but for example in php pear libraries (few of which I developed including Sqlite tools) It is very straightforward to any user (with PHP experience or not) what is going on. Perhaps this is not the aim of a ruby framework like camping where, if you have experience with MVC and ruby, you can figure out things pretty easily. If that is the case I might be totally off track ! I am giving you the view of someone with some programming experience in php, perl, bash but not a lot in ruby or rails. Hopefully the screencasts will clear many of these doubts to new users and be of help. I am somehow convinced that documentations/screencasts are as important as good code to get some decent usage and expansion in a project. This because programmers are exposed to so many options that you need to have a compelling story to tell :) > > > no, I think camping has a separate user base (wild claim, no stats) and > although (being Ruby) many are familiar with/also use RoR, this isn't taken > for granted and shouldn't appear as if it is... > > Thanks for this it is very clear. Again it could be that I am weak on this point so what is obvious to you or many camping users is a bit less obvious to me. > not at all, it's good to have new users! As for unifying things... well, > that's been tried before :-) the thing is, although we all get on, the > varying ideas about Camping's 'public face' each have a unique take on > things. http://camping.rubyforge.org/ is the main starting-point, and (as > you know) Philippe Monnet's site also has a lot of useful tutorials e.g. > this one on OAuth http://blog.monnet-usa.com/?p=293 But if you'd like to > list what you've found useful (or compile a set of ideas for brief guides > to Camping) at some point I'm sure there'll be a way to get it added > somewhere findable... I might even do it myself :-) > > I think it is fair for users like Philippe Monnet to have their own tutorials on their website :) Getting back to the database issue: when I came to camping the description was a micro web framework which is great. Now If you ask me micro and simple should let you set your db on the fly, easily like definedb or something to overwrite the existing DB or, on the fly, use another db engine. From the post http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9086590/where-does-camping-store-my-databaseit seems pretty easy but it has to be obvious. If you have an example about building a db backed simple website and don't tell me where the db is well, that is a bit too much hidden for my taste :) I think that if we want people to use camping in real projects (even dead simple ones like blogs, simple websites which I think should be the aim given that camping wouldn't be suitable, I think, for huge projects) a small chapter on "using databases" is pretty much needed ! :) Will get sure that Isak has a screencasts about this because, to me, it is actually the very first thing I would look from a framework! Best Regards David ___ Camping-list mailing list Camping-list@rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list
Re: camping paid examples + screencasts ?
Hey Dave I actually meant a website to do with camping (the outdoor pastime) done in camping.. Planning locations, to do list, inviting friends through Facebook haha Too meta? Adam On Wednesday, March 28, 2012, david costa wrote: > Hi Adam, > do you mean the camping website to be done in camping ? > If it is so good point. Well I am sure that Jenna and Magnus had many things to take care of and what they went for was the most suitable solution. > Still I think that having the camping website done in camping would make a lot of sense. After all why someone would use it if the main camping website doesn't ? > The problem is always time I guess so better a simple no-camping website than no website I guess :) > Regards > David > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 5:03 PM, adam moore wrote: >> >> Camping sites camping site >> >> On Tuesday, March 27, 2012, Jenna Fox wrote: >> > a site for your comics, a multiplayer game? >> > — >> > Jenna >> > >> > On Wednesday, 28 March 2012 at 1:45 AM, Dave Everitt wrote: >> > >> > Great! The first thing is to decide *what* to screencast... the 'blog in 10 minutes' idea is a bit old (although an updated version would be good because there's an old Camping one out there somewhere)... >> > Any suggestions for a useful, current and easy topic for a Camping screencast? >> > - DaveE >> > >> > I'd be more than happy to help with screencasts and writing. I'm quite good with Final Cut and Motion, but someone else would need to take the lead on that and delegate tasks to me, as my mind is tied up in other projects for the next few months. >> > >> > ___ >> > Camping-list mailing list >> > Camping-list@rubyforge.org >> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list >> > >> >> -- >> =^.^=--- >> >> ___ >> Camping-list mailing list >> Camping-list@rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list > > -- =^.^=--- ___ Camping-list mailing list Camping-list@rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list
Re: camping paid examples + screencasts ?
I actually meant a website to do with camping (the outdoor pastime) done in camping.. Planning locations, to do list, inviting friends through Facebook haha LOL! I missed the whole 'actual real camping with tents' thing and got all recursive (a Camping site built with Camping about... Camping) instead of getting the whole... meta thing :-) Love the idea.___ Camping-list mailing list Camping-list@rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list
