Re: [Captive-portals] IETF 99 minutes

[Tommy Pauly]

> On Aug 2, 2017, at 6:20 AM, Gunther Nitzsche  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> and thanks for the meeting minutes.
> 
> I have two (no..three :) small comments on that:
> There is an uncontradicted comment saying:
> 
> 
> David Dolson: need to
> notify non-http-80
> Tommy Pauly: expect to interact with web pages
> Martin:
> considers status code 511 to be dead until new information.
> 
> 
> I am wondering why the complete discussion in the last weeks
> regarding  511 - status on this mailing list seems to be completely
> ignored? At least for me it is still the preferred way to go as I mentioned
> earlier here.
> 
> And:
> 
> Martin:  Some
> feedback I got was (a) there are far too many bits & messages (maybe dest
> unreach is enough), you allow provider to provide discriminatory services.
> David
> B: That's what walled garden does. We shouldn't go there.
> 
> 
> ..and I thought, we had the consensus that walled garden
> is a perfect topic for this ml?
> 
> Further down:
> 
> Tommy: today, we wait for capport
> probe to complete until allowing network access.
> 
> 
> That is not what we do. Download of antivirus -patterns or
> self- reenabling after abuse block is a valid reason to
> reach parts of the network even when the customer is blocked.

Hi Gunther,

I was referring to what the behavior on Apple operating systems is. When a 
Wi-Fi network is joined, the captive portal probe is a generally a precondition 
for allowing the Wi-Fi network to be marked as the default route for the 
system. While traffic may still be allowed over that network when scoped, 
general networking traffic is not allowed until the probe completes.

Thanks,
Tommy
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Gunther
> 
> On 31.07.2017 03:00, Erik Kline wrote:
>> FYI: I have uploaded the meeting minutes as captured in Etherpad.
>> Many thanks to David Dolson (and any others) for taking notes.
>> 
>> You can find the minutes on the wg meetings page:
>> 
>>https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/capport/meetings/
>>https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/99/minutes/capport
>> 
>> and in the wg-materials repo on github:
>> 
>>https://github.com/capport-wg/wg-materials
>> 
>> I have not edited this initial upload of the minutes in any way.
>> 
>> Please review if/when you get a chance; we can post 
>> corrections/clarifications.
>> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Captive-portals] IETF 99 minutes

[Gunther Nitzsche]

Hi

and thanks for the meeting minutes.

I have two (no..three :) small comments on that:
There is an uncontradicted comment saying:


David Dolson: need to
notify non-http-80
Tommy Pauly: expect to interact with web pages
Martin:
considers status code 511 to be dead until new information.


I am wondering why the complete discussion in the last weeks
regarding  511 - status on this mailing list seems to be completely
ignored? At least for me it is still the preferred way to go as I mentioned
earlier here.

And:

Martin:  Some
feedback I got was (a) there are far too many bits & messages (maybe dest
unreach is enough), you allow provider to provide discriminatory services.
David
B: That's what walled garden does. We shouldn't go there.


..and I thought, we had the consensus that walled garden
is a perfect topic for this ml?

Further down:

Tommy: today, we wait for capport
probe to complete until allowing network access.


That is not what we do. Download of antivirus -patterns or
self- reenabling after abuse block is a valid reason to
reach parts of the network even when the customer is blocked.


Thanks

Gunther

On 31.07.2017 03:00, Erik Kline wrote:
> FYI: I have uploaded the meeting minutes as captured in Etherpad.
> Many thanks to David Dolson (and any others) for taking notes.
>
> You can find the minutes on the wg meetings page:
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/capport/meetings/
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/99/minutes/capport
>
> and in the wg-materials repo on github:
>
> https://github.com/capport-wg/wg-materials
>
> I have not edited this initial upload of the minutes in any way.
>
> Please review if/when you get a chance; we can post 
> corrections/clarifications.
>



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-- 
NetCologne Gesellschaft für Telekommunikation mbH
Am Coloneum 9 ; 50829 Köln
Geschäftsführer:   
  Timo von Lepel,
  Mario Wilhelm  
Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates:
  Dr. Andreas Cerbe
  HRB 25580, AG Köln


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