Re: [Care2002-developers] doc about care2x

[Ap.Muthu]

I wonder why the document is stated as for sale at:

http://uninsubria.academia.edu/StefanoBraghin/Papers/283611/Introducing_Privacy_In_a_Hospital_Information_System
and
http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1370907&coll=DL&dl=ACM&retn=1

while being publicly available (1.72 MB) at:

http://www.dicom.uninsubria.it/~stefano.braghin/files/presentations/sess2008.pdf

  Hi guys,

  have you seen this document? Very interesting. It uses the Care2x system as
  specimen to present their ideas of patient information privacy. It even 
proposes
  improvements on the Care2x system.

  Check it out.

  
http://delivery.acm.org/10.1145/138/1370907/p9-braghin.pdf?key1=1370907&key2=7497608921&coll=DL&dl=ACM&ip=204.60.184.1&CFID=10573936&CFTOKEN=51618395

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Re: [Care2002-developers] doc about care2x

[Claudio Giulio Torbinio]

Hi Elpidio Latorilla an carers
I know this project, was in touch with the authors, due to my position 
as referee in Italy.
The problem is, i think, that we can not have a clear structure able to 
valorize the  citations of our work.
As a biblio repository, we must collect and highlight all the uses of 
care2x worldwide.

Br
Claudio


Hi guys,
have you seen this document? Very interesting. It uses the Care2x 
system as
specimen to present their ideas of patient information privacy. It 
even proposes

improvements on the Care2x system.
Check it out.
http://delivery.acm.org/10.1145/138/1370907/p9-braghin.pdf?key1=1370907&key2=7497608921&coll=DL&dl=ACM&ip=204.60.184.1&CFID=10573936&CFTOKEN=51618395 


Elpidio


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Re: [Care2002-developers] doc about care2x

[Elpidio Latorilla]

To Ap.Muthu,

I don't know exactly how that happened. I was not aware that it is for sale.
The doc was
still open for public when I sent the email.

To Claudio,

You are right, it is good to have a place for collecting these docs and
articles about care2x.
We did that in the early years of the project. This was discontinued because
of various reasons,
no one available to do it regularly, the sites were hacked, had tech
troubles, and etc.

elpidio

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 4:52 AM, Claudio Giulio Torbinio <
claudiogiu...@email.it> wrote:

>  Hi Elpidio Latorilla an carers
> I know this project, was in touch with the authors, due to my position as
> referee in Italy.
> The problem is, i think, that we can not have a clear structure able to
> valorize the  citations of our work.
> As a biblio repository, we must collect and highlight all the uses of
> care2x worldwide.
> Br
> Claudio
>
>  Hi guys,
>
> have you seen this document? Very interesting. It uses the Care2x system as
> specimen to present their ideas of patient information privacy. It even
> proposes
> improvements on the Care2x system.
>
> Check it out.
>
>
> http://delivery.acm.org/10.1145/138/1370907/p9-braghin.pdf?key1=1370907&key2=7497608921&coll=DL&dl=ACM&ip=204.60.184.1&CFID=10573936&CFTOKEN=51618395
>
> Elpidio
>
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Re: [Care2002-developers] doc about care2x

[J. Antas]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:30:08 -0500, Elpidio Latorilla
 wrote:

> have you seen this document? Very interesting. It uses the Care2x
> system as specimen to present their ideas of patient information
> privacy. It even proposes improvements on the Care2x system.

>From that paper's "5.Conclusions": 
"Privacy is a fundamental issue in hospital information systems. In
fact most of the involved data are sensible and therefore their access
and manipulation is strongly regulated."

And from "3.3 Weaknesses":
"Care2x cannot be considered a privacy-aware system"

Using 'modus tollendo tollens', we can easily conclude from 3.3
and 5., that Care2x could not yet be proved to be a safe hospital
information systems supporting software package.
Meaning that in countries were there is regulation, it will be not possible to 
support any hospital information
system using the Care2x package.

After years following the Care2x project one wonders why it
could not solve this basic problem, that other projects
(http://www.oemr.org/ for instance) which had by then much less
resources, where able to solve easily in a few weeks (using the same
available open source ancillary resources).

As a matter of fact, I do believe that Care2x (which is more
directed towards hospital care support) would have much to
learn from (and could reuse lots of code from) if it could
find some way of establish a close cooperation with the said openemer
project (which is more directed to the private practice office).

Also it would be useful to find what turns Care2x in such an elusive
golden egg chicken and, either kill the chicken, or tell all those
would be gold diggers that this project will never lay eggs made of
gold.

At most what Care2x will do is help some lucky healthcare
providers to keep their patients safer while avoid the costs of
software vultures. And that 'per se' would be reason enough to keep
Care2x alive.


r.

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Re: [Care2002-developers] doc about care2x

[Mauri Niemi]

Hi Antas,

Thank you for your contribution. At the moment there are few people
contributing to the code actively and they are busy with the topics from
their own hospitals. But security is such a key core issue, that we whould
have a plan how to solve it. If questions are raised on  security it will be
the sole reason to discard the system in many places.

I hope Gjergj, Robert and Muthu bring ideas how to solve this technically.

Mauri

2011/2/21 J. Antas 

> On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:30:08 -0500, Elpidio Latorilla
>  wrote:
>
> > have you seen this document? Very interesting. It uses the Care2x
> > system as specimen to present their ideas of patient information
> > privacy. It even proposes improvements on the Care2x system.
>
> >From that paper's "5.Conclusions":
> "Privacy is a fundamental issue in hospital information systems. In
> fact most of the involved data are sensible and therefore their access
> and manipulation is strongly regulated."
>
> And from "3.3 Weaknesses":
> "Care2x cannot be considered a privacy-aware system"
>
> Using 'modus tollendo tollens', we can easily conclude from 3.3
> and 5., that Care2x could not yet be proved to be a safe hospital
> information systems supporting software package.
> Meaning that in countries were there is regulation, it will be not possible
> to support any hospital information
> system using the Care2x package.
>
> After years following the Care2x project one wonders why it
> could not solve this basic problem, that other projects
> (http://www.oemr.org/ for instance) which had by then much less
> resources, where able to solve easily in a few weeks (using the same
> available open source ancillary resources).
>
> As a matter of fact, I do believe that Care2x (which is more
> directed towards hospital care support) would have much to
> learn from (and could reuse lots of code from) if it could
> find some way of establish a close cooperation with the said openemer
> project (which is more directed to the private practice office).
>
> Also it would be useful to find what turns Care2x in such an elusive
> golden egg chicken and, either kill the chicken, or tell all those
> would be gold diggers that this project will never lay eggs made of
> gold.
>
> At most what Care2x will do is help some lucky healthcare
> providers to keep their patients safer while avoid the costs of
> software vultures. And that 'per se' would be reason enough to keep
> Care2x alive.
>
>
> r.
>
> JA
>
>
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> Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen.
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> Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance.
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