Re: [castor-dev] switch from CVS to Subversion
Jon, thank for your valuable feedback, and to some degree I agree with you. I for myself have never seen any problems with CVS (except for teams spread across locations such as New York, London and Tokyo, where all team members in a different location than the CVS repository suffer a performance penalty). Having said that, I hope you agree with me that the Castor project has shifted gears over the last 10 months or so, both in terms of the bugs being fixed and the number of people actively joining the (committer) team. Reading a statement such as yours >but I'd prefer to >see any effort of the Castor team geared toward >actually improve the Castor product itself I hope you understand that Castor is an open source project and hence relies on contributions from people like you. Please bear in mind that nobody is being paid for his role with Castor, and we all donate some of our spare time to grow and mature the product. The more time is being 'donated', the better the product will be in the end. But this relation can only be changed by adding more active people, but expecting more time for the existing (active) committers. Regards Werner On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:15:47 -0800 (PST), Jon Wilmoth wrote: > >Having used Castor for over 2 years and monitored the >mailing lists for almost as long I've never heard >anyone state a problem with CVS. I realize it's >probably not a big effort to change, but I'd prefer to >see any effort of the Castor team geared toward >actually improve the Castor product itself (i.e. >closing bugs, getting releases out). > >--- Werner Guttmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> Good evening everybody, >> >> trying to keep things short at this point in time, >> so please excuse my briefness. >> >> Werner >> >> On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:14:13 -0600 (CST), Keith Visco >> wrote: >> >> > >> > >> >Hey Martin, et al., >> > >> >I hope you had a wonderful holiday. >> > >> >As for Subversion, I think I'm in the "Why fix it >> if it isn't broke" camp >> >that Nick mentioned in his previous reponse. >> > >> >I really don't think we have any resources to put >> on this, and I'm very >> >happy with CVS and my WinCVS client that I don't >> really see any need to >> >switch. >> > >> >If we were experiencing problems with CVS or we >> desperately needed some >> >feature in Subversion that doesn't exist in CVS I >> think this would be more >> >of an issue. >> +1. Iow, exactly my thoughts. Is there anything that >> does not work properly (or at all) with CVS. Or does >> subversion offer features that we lack right now >> ? Having said that, please note that I am not on the >> resisting side, but just like to be convinced. >> >> >Just my $0.02. Of course with the U.S. Dollar being >> at an all time low >> >verse the Euro, I guess my 2 cents doesn't go as >> far as it used to! :-) >> Being on the Euro side of things, my 0.02 cents make >> me go further and further these days ... , >> >> Werner >> >> > >> >--Keith >> > >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> is there already any plan to switch from CVS as >> source code repository to >> >> the successor "Subversion"? >> >> I think Subversion has now become quite stable, >> and we could take >> >> advantage of reworked new tool. Here you can read >> about all the new >> >> features compared to CVS: >> >> http://subversion.tigris.org/ >> >> >> >> There exists a python script "cvs2svn", which >> makes the conversion of the >> >> CVS repository quite easy. I shortly did this >> transition with two CVS >> >> repos, >> >> and found now problems. The complete history is >> preserved, and even tags >> >> and branches are available after. >> >> >> >> On the client side there are available several >> different SVN clients. >> >> First of all there is the standard command line >> client. For integrated >> >> Java development there is Eclipse plugin called >> "Subclipse". And there >> >> is also a Explorer interface for MS Windows named >> "TortoiseSVN". >> >> >> >> If there is interest, I could help in setting up >> the SVN server. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >>Martin >> >> >> >> >> >--- >> >> If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing, >> send mail to >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of: >> >> unsubscribe castor-dev >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >>--- >> >> >If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing, send >> mail to >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of: >> >unsubscribe castor-dev >> > >> >> >> >> >--- >> >> If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing, send >> mail to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of: >> unsubscribe castor-dev >> > > > >--- >If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing, send mail to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of: >unsubscribe castor-dev > --
Re: [castor-dev] switch from CVS to Subversion
Having used Castor for over 2 years and monitored the mailing lists for almost as long I've never heard anyone state a problem with CVS. I realize it's probably not a big effort to change, but I'd prefer to see any effort of the Castor team geared toward actually improve the Castor product itself (i.e. closing bugs, getting releases out). --- Werner Guttmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Good evening everybody, > > trying to keep things short at this point in time, > so please excuse my briefness. > > Werner > > On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:14:13 -0600 (CST), Keith Visco > wrote: > > > > > > >Hey Martin, et al., > > > >I hope you had a wonderful holiday. > > > >As for Subversion, I think I'm in the "Why fix it > if it isn't broke" camp > >that Nick mentioned in his previous reponse. > > > >I really don't think we have any resources to put > on this, and I'm very > >happy with CVS and my WinCVS client that I don't > really see any need to > >switch. > > > >If we were experiencing problems with CVS or we > desperately needed some > >feature in Subversion that doesn't exist in CVS I > think this would be more > >of an issue. > +1. Iow, exactly my thoughts. Is there anything that > does not work properly (or at all) with CVS. Or does > subversion offer features that we lack right now > ? Having said that, please note that I am not on the > resisting side, but just like to be convinced. > > >Just my $0.02. Of course with the U.S. Dollar being > at an all time low > >verse the Euro, I guess my 2 cents doesn't go as > far as it used to! :-) > Being on the Euro side of things, my 0.02 cents make > me go further and further these days ... , > > Werner > > > > >--Keith > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> is there already any plan to switch from CVS as > source code repository to > >> the successor "Subversion"? > >> I think Subversion has now become quite stable, > and we could take > >> advantage of reworked new tool. Here you can read > about all the new > >> features compared to CVS: > >> http://subversion.tigris.org/ > >> > >> There exists a python script "cvs2svn", which > makes the conversion of the > >> CVS repository quite easy. I shortly did this > transition with two CVS > >> repos, > >> and found now problems. The complete history is > preserved, and even tags > >> and branches are available after. > >> > >> On the client side there are available several > different SVN clients. > >> First of all there is the standard command line > client. For integrated > >> Java development there is Eclipse plugin called > "Subclipse". And there > >> is also a Explorer interface for MS Windows named > "TortoiseSVN". > >> > >> If there is interest, I could help in setting up > the SVN server. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >>Martin > >> > >> > --- > >> If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing, > send mail to > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of: > >> unsubscribe castor-dev > >> > > > > > > > >--- > > >If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing, send > mail to > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of: > >unsubscribe castor-dev > > > > > > --- > > If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing, send > mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of: > unsubscribe castor-dev > --- If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of: unsubscribe castor-dev
Re: [castor-dev] switch from CVS to Subversion
Good evening everybody, trying to keep things short at this point in time, so please excuse my briefness. Werner On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:14:13 -0600 (CST), Keith Visco wrote: > > >Hey Martin, et al., > >I hope you had a wonderful holiday. > >As for Subversion, I think I'm in the "Why fix it if it isn't broke" camp >that Nick mentioned in his previous reponse. > >I really don't think we have any resources to put on this, and I'm very >happy with CVS and my WinCVS client that I don't really see any need to >switch. > >If we were experiencing problems with CVS or we desperately needed some >feature in Subversion that doesn't exist in CVS I think this would be more >of an issue. +1. Iow, exactly my thoughts. Is there anything that does not work properly (or at all) with CVS. Or does subversion offer features that we lack right now ? Having said that, please note that I am not on the resisting side, but just like to be convinced. >Just my $0.02. Of course with the U.S. Dollar being at an all time low >verse the Euro, I guess my 2 cents doesn't go as far as it used to! :-) Being on the Euro side of things, my 0.02 cents make me go further and further these days ... , Werner > >--Keith > >> Hello, >> >> is there already any plan to switch from CVS as source code repository to >> the successor "Subversion"? >> I think Subversion has now become quite stable, and we could take >> advantage of reworked new tool. Here you can read about all the new >> features compared to CVS: >> http://subversion.tigris.org/ >> >> There exists a python script "cvs2svn", which makes the conversion of the >> CVS repository quite easy. I shortly did this transition with two CVS >> repos, >> and found now problems. The complete history is preserved, and even tags >> and branches are available after. >> >> On the client side there are available several different SVN clients. >> First of all there is the standard command line client. For integrated >> Java development there is Eclipse plugin called "Subclipse". And there >> is also a Explorer interface for MS Windows named "TortoiseSVN". >> >> If there is interest, I could help in setting up the SVN server. >> >> Regards, >> >>Martin >> >> --- >> If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing, send mail to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of: >> unsubscribe castor-dev >> > > > >--- >If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing, send mail to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of: >unsubscribe castor-dev > --- If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of: unsubscribe castor-dev
Re: [castor-dev] switch from CVS to Subversion
Hey Martin, et al., I hope you had a wonderful holiday. As for Subversion, I think I'm in the "Why fix it if it isn't broke" camp that Nick mentioned in his previous reponse. I really don't think we have any resources to put on this, and I'm very happy with CVS and my WinCVS client that I don't really see any need to switch. If we were experiencing problems with CVS or we desperately needed some feature in Subversion that doesn't exist in CVS I think this would be more of an issue. Just my $0.02. Of course with the U.S. Dollar being at an all time low verse the Euro, I guess my 2 cents doesn't go as far as it used to! :-) --Keith > Hello, > > is there already any plan to switch from CVS as source code repository to > the successor "Subversion"? > I think Subversion has now become quite stable, and we could take > advantage of reworked new tool. Here you can read about all the new > features compared to CVS: > http://subversion.tigris.org/ > > There exists a python script "cvs2svn", which makes the conversion of the > CVS repository quite easy. I shortly did this transition with two CVS > repos, > and found now problems. The complete history is preserved, and even tags > and branches are available after. > > On the client side there are available several different SVN clients. > First of all there is the standard command line client. For integrated > Java development there is Eclipse plugin called "Subclipse". And there > is also a Explorer interface for MS Windows named "TortoiseSVN". > > If there is interest, I could help in setting up the SVN server. > > Regards, > >Martin > > --- > If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing, send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of: > unsubscribe castor-dev > --- If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of: unsubscribe castor-dev
Re: [castor-dev] switch from CVS to Subversion
Well, I can say I use subversion on a daily basis. On Linux I either use the good ol' command like (quick and dirty), eSVN (found it from somewhere, and it works quite well), or the NetBeans plugin for it (in 'alpha' stage, but found it has worked quite well'). And on windows my main tool of choice is TortoiseSVN which integrates nicely with windows explorer and is very easy to use. I know for the future KDE will have SVN in there Ceversa (sp?) client. I've had no problems with using any of the clients, besides a very occasional crash on eSVN with an older version, and have always been able to hack around with the command line as well, so I really doubt its a client issue. My biggest bet is that most people are afraid of change and the fact that there is work in switching from CVS to Subversion, although the tools do help a lot. And then some people are happy with CVS and will say 'why fix it if it aint broke?' You decide on who's right and come to your own conclusions. On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:22:34 -0500, Wade Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Martin Fuchs wrote: > > Hello, > > > > is there already any plan to switch from CVS as source code repository to > > the successor "Subversion"? > > I think Subversion has now become quite stable, and we could take > > advantage of reworked new tool. Here you can read about all the new > > features compared to CVS: > > http://subversion.tigris.org/ > > > > There exists a python script "cvs2svn", which makes the conversion of the > > CVS repository quite easy. I shortly did this transition with two CVS repos, > > and found now problems. The complete history is preserved, and even tags > > and branches are available after. > > > > On the client side there are available several different SVN clients. > > First of all there is the standard command line client. For integrated > > Java development there is Eclipse plugin called "Subclipse". And there > > is also a Explorer interface for MS Windows named "TortoiseSVN". > > > > If there is interest, I could help in setting up the SVN server. > > > > Regards, > > > >Martin > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing, send mail to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of: > > unsubscribe castor-dev > My experience with Subversion is that the clients suck. I have tried to > setup repositories before, and the server seemed to run fine, but the > clients would crash and act up on different OS, and there seem to not be > as many clients available for Subversion as for CVS. This has been my > experience. What version of Subversion are you using? Which clients > are you using? For instance, I don't use Eclipse. I use Netbeans. I > have wanted to use Subversion for a good while, but didn't have anyone > to ask who was using it in the real world. For instance, source forge > talked about Subversion a long while ago, yet they have never set it up. > They were going to keep both cvs and subversion, and allow project to > use either or, but subversion never came along. I don't know that many > projects using Subversion yet either. I guess I'm wondering why it > isn't widely used, and why there are not many clients for it. I would > have thought there would have been a good Linux client for it, but never > found one that ran correctly.beside the command line. > > Wade > > --- > If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing, send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of: > unsubscribe castor-dev > --- If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of: unsubscribe castor-dev
Re: [castor-dev] switch from CVS to Subversion
Martin Fuchs wrote: Hello, is there already any plan to switch from CVS as source code repository to the successor "Subversion"? I think Subversion has now become quite stable, and we could take advantage of reworked new tool. Here you can read about all the new features compared to CVS: http://subversion.tigris.org/ There exists a python script "cvs2svn", which makes the conversion of the CVS repository quite easy. I shortly did this transition with two CVS repos, and found now problems. The complete history is preserved, and even tags and branches are available after. On the client side there are available several different SVN clients. First of all there is the standard command line client. For integrated Java development there is Eclipse plugin called "Subclipse". And there is also a Explorer interface for MS Windows named "TortoiseSVN". If there is interest, I could help in setting up the SVN server. Regards, Martin --- If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of: unsubscribe castor-dev My experience with Subversion is that the clients suck. I have tried to setup repositories before, and the server seemed to run fine, but the clients would crash and act up on different OS, and there seem to not be as many clients available for Subversion as for CVS. This has been my experience. What version of Subversion are you using? Which clients are you using? For instance, I don't use Eclipse. I use Netbeans. I have wanted to use Subversion for a good while, but didn't have anyone to ask who was using it in the real world. For instance, source forge talked about Subversion a long while ago, yet they have never set it up. They were going to keep both cvs and subversion, and allow project to use either or, but subversion never came along. I don't know that many projects using Subversion yet either. I guess I'm wondering why it isn't widely used, and why there are not many clients for it. I would have thought there would have been a good Linux client for it, but never found one that ran correctly.beside the command line. Wade --- If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of: unsubscribe castor-dev
