Re: [Catalyst] Re: CMS
Andreas, Thank you very much for the reply! I will check it out. I wonder why not in CPAN or catalystframework.org. Matt ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] + in GET param
I wonder if this is similar to something bug I saw a few months ago.
I tried to pass a GET url into a TT2 field but the question mark in the url
kept getting url-encoded to %3F. I was wondering if it was a Unicode
problem, but it may have been wrong url_for syntax.
Here is a snippet from the old code before I solved the problem (the chr
didn't work IIRC).
my $qm = chr(63); # my terminal can't print a question mark in utf8 it makes
a hex code %3F!
$c-stash-{prevpageurl} =
$c-uri_for(/admin/admin_portal_transactions_list.$qm.page=$prevpagecollapsed=$collapsed);
IIRC I was unable to solve the problem using the stash, and possibly I also
tried uri_for then.
Finally I solved it by converting the function to pass parameters as virtual
folders in the url path.
However yes I just tried what Miyagawa-san had and did it with a TT template
too. It works fine with url_for.
Matt R.
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Re: [Catalyst] TT and UNICODE: Garbled special characters
Have you tried setting shell locale to utf8? A long time ago there were utf8 in tt threads but I haven't had trouble myself. However I have indeed had massive trouble trying to get a simple question mark (a GET url) to print that I put in the stash, like you are doing now, because tt would url-encode it. So my recommendation is, don't give it an umlaut. :) FYI the trouble came when I was using xemacs -nw in utf8 mode due to the default shell of the remote session being in utf8 locale, which I was not used to. Not that emacs is amazing at utf\d+ . Perhaps starting a utf8 terminal session to be sure, will help. There are so many transparent re-encodings going on this is hard to trace outside your environment. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] (en) error screen translations
Here is the Korean error message, from a native with whom I work. It should show up as Hangul characters in your browser. (kr) 나중에 오세요. Matt Rosin ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Is there any way to change the catalyst model parameters at the runtime ?
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Re: [Catalyst] Attribute::Handlers wont work in own classes under catalyst
Brian said you were reinventing Moose.. if so then maybe you have the same problem with attributes in Catalyst as mentioned in Moose::Cookbook::WTF (Why don't inherited attributes work). Of course you don't have Moose' extends statement... ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] (en) error screen translations
Some have periods and some don't. Is French SVP really polite compared to s'il vous plait (circonflex on i I believe)? be fi se etc. missing, perhaps not many European catalysts? ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Re: [Catalyst-dev] Ignoring Emacs temp files
Ouch. I use xemacs -nw and FindBin but haven't seen this explosion, I think. What autodiscovery are you using that makes it require Foo:::#Bar ? blows up when it tries to do something like: eval require Foo::.#Bar ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] About output in a browser
FWIW I recently used keywords in TT template filenames to identify which CSS file to use (public,admin portal, customer portal, etc.). But the default wrapper (root/lib/site/wrapper) will use text/plain if the filename has css|js|txt in it. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] CMS
Dear Matt, Wow, you have blown me away again. So many things on the wishlist already executed. Whew! I had trouble finding Reaction code/docs - is it in prealpha or actually production grade now? I haven't used Moose before (silly me..) after reading a few presentations I'm very impressed. Re svk I was thinking of something for a nontechnical client, but I'll look at svk interfaces available, thanks. I'm not sure if I can provide a full download of the entire site as it could give a competitor an advantage, but the portal side templates and code I see as something that would evolve across many projects so putting templates and modules for those portals into a tgz would be okay. Of course then you want to start cleaning things.. for example I have a toggle that ought to use a gif like gmail's star or a flag but never got to that, also to refactor a little.. well we'll see I may just say here it is and let it be torn apart. I'd like to find out more about Reaction and how much is useable now, where its HP/wiki is etc. Thank you very much. Matt ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Is there any way to change the catalyst model parameters at the runtime ?
I'm curious. I was asked to clone an existing catalyst system so a different database would be used depending on the url. Doesn't seem like a good idea unless it is a completely separate code base... ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] CMS
I'd love to see the code publically, even if it isn't re-used it's instructive to see how other people do it. I'm moving a bunch of sites to a couple new hosting companies and will do this when I get the domain moved. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] CMS
Catalyst::Plugin::I18N::DBIC (and Mango::Catalyst::Plugin::I18N) is maybe a crosscutting thing like Zbigniew mentions with some useful concepts. I'm not looking to build Drupal or a blog platform but I have nothing against them per se. I was thinking more of a tool to reduce the amount of Catalyst code I type by identifying patterns. For example: - A multiuser pattern in which a site is separated into public, admin and registered user portals (of which the latter two need to edit lots of pesky data like their profiles, their virtual holdings like coupons/listings/catalogs/resumes/banners//video clips, etc.). Currently I would do this with a formbuilder form, view and save subs, and TT template for each page. - Another pattern might be to get one or a list of objects a user owns, make a list of them and create an interface allowing them to edit and save the data. We all keep reinventing the wheel with this. Currently I would look at similar subs I'd made and well reinvent the wheel... I have 3 ideas at the moment. 1a. A standard object editor with rich editor and maybe some widgets. It would render a complex form as necessary, given the object to be edited. I once wrote something like this that would just let you edit object data fields with text input boxes, it's not rocket science. 1b. Online asset manager to CRUD them, with a file upload widget might also be nice. 2a. Reduce the set of all information assets a user owns into a single tree that may span many tables, allowing each asset (object, data field, etc.) to be called from templates by name (could use namespaces and dot notation maybe). This is probably most useful in the context of having a tree of all text snippets, etc. used in display of the public site. 2b. This reduces templates to a list of assets (snippets) called by name interspersed with HTML tags and TT directives. Text snippets would reside in a database and could be edited in a CMS, at least like the utility of 1a/b above. Image pathnames or a single DIV's HTML could also all be stored in the db. The template would just pull the snippets out with a simple $c method like loc in the above I18N modules. A standard facility for editing these things (a module and TT templates) would also be useful. 3. Beyond this, I see an awful lot of programming and design going into solving similar basic interface problems over and over. It would be useful to provide some basic TT layouts and scripted user interactions (I don't mean write perl script, I mean just write the basic plot, preferably as an interpreted string of text but even yaml could be used). Currently we sometimes reuse templates (for example I have a general modal dialog), but we don't really have smart systems that DWIM the user interaction for basic data editing. For one thing, we all look at each other's public sites but not the admin or user portal pages which could require more programming work. Contributing to solving repeated patterns once well will make Catalyst even more powerful I think. A repository of such interface snippets (combination of TT code, perl code, etc.) could be run on the dev site maybe. At the risk of sounding like I'm all talk I'm willing to provide my current admin and customer portals to the project, possibly the TT templates would be useful. Anyway they do look a little like the Catalyst startup page. :) Um, that was a bit long, sorry! Regards, Matt Rosin ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] New website using Catalyst
Hi, It's a very attractive site! Wonderful. What things did you use YUI for? Matt R. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
[Catalyst] CMS
Catalyst makes it easy to build a site with lots of little modules of content composing a single page - the actual content (words/images) being scattered in static apache directories, the database, the templates folders and the code. At some point a content management system of some type is needed. While I hand-roll this sort of thing now it might be nice to have a standard module with perhaps a rich editor and HTML form, or it might be more powerful with the ability to manage various stories/images on disk or db, and integrate uploads even, like some of the portal building systems do. Perhaps one integrated well with Catalyst could also allow the user to select template files to use in a given part of the screen to replace not just on a story basis but on a div basis. I'd just like to ask if anyone uses a CMS (beyond just hand-rolling for each instance) or has been seeing similar needs. I think much development time is spent on creating object management interfaces which perhaps could be boiled down to some repetitive functionality. Matt Rosin ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
[Catalyst] Re: CMS
Incidentally the dev site does list something called EasyCMS but I read somewhere that it is defunct and won't work with current version of Catalyst. Obviously lots of people have thought about this.. Matt Rosin ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst Hosting
Thank you everyone for your information on hosting companies. (And that new wiki page is cool, though needs comments from people now.) I decided to take a two pronged approach: cheap low priority storage at a shared host plus a fanatical developer-loving vps host. So I signed up at hostgator.com for their Baby package, $10/mo. with the first free from a coupon. This is 100GB and a terabyte of bandwidth, for a couple family sites and to serve video content perhaps. For the VPS host I am deciding between linode and slicehost, I'd start with 10GB. Slicehost is a 5 week wait, or 2 weeks if you pay 6 months up front. It sounds quite cool, heck I want it bad, but from a place that says no initial payment it give me a funny feeling. I mean, I used to run a hosting company myself (in 1995, Tokyo) so I know what they mean when they mention cashflow and hardware. They probably will have great service since that is their main thing, and I hope Google or somebody smart invests in them. There must be some rich hackers in the vicinity. It was not clear from either linode or slicehost what tools are recommended for ordinary operations. A graphic login might have too much latency from here. Perhaps webmin.. what I mean is root is fine for apache configs but some things I'd like to use a web interface for example to quickly change user email aliasing or whatever, if it's plesk or whm or HSPComplete or webmin, fine. I suppose some examples of common administration would be useful, they both mention custom interfaces but I can't tell what. Linode though has a he.com data center which means I can shave 50-100ms off latency to Japan if I pick them so I am leaning toward them.for the catalyst vps... though I am wondering if slicehost has the more advanced infrastructure, and maybe linode has more handholding? Tough call, maybe should get both? I like slicehost's attitude and their extra backup service, but also I've been watching Hurricaine Electric for a long time so ++ for linode. At any rate there has to be something said for any company that can get you running the next day.. I already have 100GB now at hostgator even if it is a cpanel site, and I don't know if I trust their hard disks to stay up, but they do seem to have most positive reviews at webhostingunleashed among shared hosts. Oh well, more agonizing to do now but now I can enjoy it in a bittersweet way thanks to all of you. Regards to all, Matt Rosin ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst hosting: the wiki page
That's very cool. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst Hosting
Thanks. Asmallorange looks like they don't give you so much disk space.. though I like their style and am inclined to learn more. However this month Dreamhost's monster package is cheap. What to do, what to do. Hostgator's Swamp shared is looking good now.. they also offered me an unlisted $75 dedicated server. Dreamhost has dedicated from below 70.. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] output to tt2 and pdf
http://search.cpan.org/~andrewf/Template-Latex-2.17/lib/Template/Plugin/Latex.pm TT can make PDFs too. I also crawled cpan thinking there might be a magic Catalyst View. The above looks very nice and powerful though of course requires that you write in latex. This is of course not a big problem but I was wondering if anyone has used PDF::Reuse with TT. For example if you drew a PDF form in OpenOffice Writer, and printed it as a PDF, it is my impression anyway that you could then use it as a very fast precompiled form (well maybe the latex plugin is also precompiling I'd presume). I'm actually curious also since I was examining latex and other options (inkscape?) to make a system to generate professional looking restaurant menus for my sister's restaurant www.michaelsonthehill.com for example the current summer menu I made in OpenOffice and printed as a PDF. And I have another client with a PDF order form.. Anyway I will look more at the latex module too. However I may not be able to use latex on the server I will be renting. Hm time to start another thread.. Regards, Matt Rosin ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
[Catalyst] Catalyst Hosting
Hello, I remember somewhere catalyst-friendly hosting. I'm looking for a new hosting company. I don't relish using catalyst without root access, having built it once locally, especially since I don't want to have to ask the company every time to edit the apache config for me. 1. Has anyone got a good one. I'm thinking of trying a Swamp acct on HostGator temporarily (around $20) and maybe upgrading to a VPS or tiny dedicated server later on for about $60-70. I had a VPS at a very bad hosting company I have to get rid of now. Anyway I understand you can't do things like ffmpeg with a shared account there so probably a pain to install other things. I'd probably use fastcgi I think. 2. Is it possible to do all the apache configs needed for running catalyst (fastcgi, or mod_perl) in a config file in my own public_html directory I wonder. Or does everyone running catalyst as a normal user emailing their ISP admin to configure apache every time they write a new app? Yes I know just get a root account is the answer but I'd like to know. Thanks, Matt ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
[Catalyst] Subject lines?
Hello everyone on this wonderful List, I have long hesitated to ask this question at the risk of lowering the signal to noise ratio on this list. Now seems like a good time to ask and not runawayscreamingfrom long long long posts. I will think of them just as a diff to patch my brain with. Yes. So teh question. Or T3H ZQU3410N for those on teletypes. Is it just me or does everyone getting this digest realize, but politely ignore, that every post fails to start with the post id, subject line and author which otherwise is listed at the very top of the digest mail? Because I once sent an email to someone by accident through this list (you know who are, sorry again) because I mistakenly used the email address in the sig of the previous post due to this nondelimitation (which I temporarily declare is a word). It's okay if you like it that way though just pleasantly confusing. TH4NX! Matt Rosin Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
[Catalyst] Re: Project Opportunity, paid gig
To Paul Henrich, Hi, I'm interested but your email address is doesn't come through the mailing list. Matt Rosin mattrosin AT yahoo DOTCOM Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
[Catalyst] Re: plat_forms report published on June 20th. 2007.
Posted it to perlmonks.org. --Matt R. Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
[Catalyst] Template creates objects via belongs_to autovivification
Hello, I discovered an interesting bug/feature, in which a template seems to be executing an SQL insert without that being intended or even visible in the code! I think it's worth explaining exactly what's going on so please pardon the length. In my Apache/FastCGI/Catalyst/MySQL/TT/DBIx::Class application (called CatMgr) I have Customer and Transaction objects. An admin portal shows a list of recent transactions, which are created when an Instant Payment Notification from PayPal says a payment was made. Anyway, the transaction table has a field called customer storing the ID of a record in the customer table. I specify the relation ORMwise in CatMgrDB/Transaction.pm with: __PACKAGE__-belongs_to( customer = CatMgrDB::Customer ); I decided to be clever (boom) and get the template, which is only handed a resultset with rows from the transaction table, to look up the company name of the associated Customer (r.customer.b_company, where r is a row in the resultset) and not have to make a more complicated search statement in the controller. The thing is, then I decided to let admins add new transactions without an associated customer, to record in the database transactions that were made offline. Instead of assigning r.customer to the id of the company running the system I just say 0 (not using nulls). What happens is, somehow the template forces Catalyst (DBIx::Class) to create a NEW CUSTOMER if there wasn't one already. This is bad, bad, bad. Every time an admin views the list of transactions, it seems I get 4 blank customer records silently added simultaneously, or maybe even more, depending on what kind of records are shown on the current page it seems. I discovered this by matching the FastCGI error log (which is where the -Debug output goes.. all 300MB of it...) against the modification date of the new customer records. It seems like I need a cascading_inserts = 0 style attribute here, though I can hack around it but I would like to know what the right way to deal with this. If I can leave the code as is and toggle a single attribute (maybe I should remove that belongs_to or convert it to a might_have?) that would be nice. It seems to be an easy pitfall. I can't find any documentation about a relation forcing objects to autovivify, it seems like a bug. Can anyone comment on this? Thanks, Matt Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
[Catalyst] Re: Template creates objects via belongs_to autovivification
Hi, thanks for your comment. But, 1. I use NOT_NULL so my program has less opportunity to ever crash :) no really I saw DBIxC crash in the past I'm pretty sure though cannot document now, perhaps the calling a method on a nonexistent object error... I would prefer it to say 0 than to crash. Perhaps other people have smarter ways to improve robustness... 2. At any rate, I do not think it is doing the right thing, regardless. It is a bug if you cannot test for whether the related object exists, and when an SQL insert is generated on another table. In particular I think this is happening mainly during interpretation of TT2's dot notation. I would expect $mytransaction-customer-b_company not to create a Customer object in the db too. Am I wrong in this? So should I either allow NULL in transaction.customer or else use might_have? The might_have docs suggest cascading updates too... Matt Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
[Catalyst] Re: Re: Template creates objects via belongs_to
Hi! Thank you very much for your help. My response to your initial comments is Ahah. I see. Allow me to clarify the business logic as you recommend. 1. A customer may be associated with many transactions, or none at all. 2. A transaction can be associated with only a single customer, or no customer at all. 3. A transaction is either created automatically, in response to verification of an incoming IPN (linked to a preexisting customer), or the Admin can create a blank transaction to be edited later for legacy bookkeeping. The system is running now at www.thecommunitypage.com which is a site showing business listings that allows customers to purchase ads and paid listings with automatic fulfillment. When a payment is made, a record of the transaction is created, and based on the product they bought from the sales catalog, a package associated with 0 or more listings are also created. Transactions, packages and listings all know the customer who owns them. (White pages listings have no package). Regarding your note about a dummy customer: I use Customer ID 0: no record in table, Customer ID 1: Site Owner. So I could make a blank record belong to the Site Administrator customer, or I could create a dummy customer with id 0, if mysql lets me. In which case in rule 2 above the phrase or no customer at all could be deleted. Therefore a Transaction need not always be linked to a customer as if by a constraint. I supposed I need to either use NOT_NULL to express this fact. Would might_have do the same thing? Its documentation seems to be partly finished (the line that begins Assuming). Could I get the same effect in belongs_to and suppess autovivification by adding cascade_delete = 0 or is this only going to work with might_have? Final question. It looks like maybe I should replace all belongs_to to might_have since I don't want autovivification at any time in my app. Now I am having a bit of trouble with the docs (probably also since I have been infected with CDBI before coming to this) because there is also has_one which appears to do just what belongs_to does, but backwards. Or is it just like has_a in Class::DBI, in other words the inverse of belongs_to? I.e. should one object say has_one and the other object say belongs_to? It seems though that I should just use might_have all the time. Also presumably has_many will not autovivify even if it has none at all... right? Thank you and sincere apologies for muddying things, Matt @ feeling dense today Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
