Re: [BULK] - Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst Hosting
Just +1 for SliceHost. Very reliable so far. Very response bunch. I'm in Europe and I don't have problems using them over ssh, latency is good. I can easily saturate my 8mb pipe at home. Best regards, On Aug 11, 2007, at 12:06 AM, Andrew Rodland wrote: On Friday 10 August 2007 12:43:31 pm Mesdaq, Ali wrote: Now this looks very cool. But they don't mention what pipe you have to the internet. How is the performance? The pipe is good. Bandwidth available is something over 10mbit, reliably (I haven't done extensive tests to say exactly how far it goes, but a download from my slice pegs my home cablemodem at 12mbit). Latency is also good; they're in St. Louis, just a couple hops from Chicago, and Chicago is just a couple hops from most other places. :) The storage is RAID1; you have three slots available for backups (snapshots); one made nightly, one nightly kept as a weekly (you pick the day of week), and one you can make on demand. Last time I checked they don't make it clear whether or not they actually send those offsite or what. Anything else you're wondering about? Andrew ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/ catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ -- Pedro Melo Blog: http://www.simplicidade.org/notes/ XMPP ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use XMPP! ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst Hosting
Thank you everyone for your information on hosting companies. (And that new wiki page is cool, though needs comments from people now.) I decided to take a two pronged approach: cheap low priority storage at a shared host plus a fanatical developer-loving vps host. So I signed up at hostgator.com for their Baby package, $10/mo. with the first free from a coupon. This is 100GB and a terabyte of bandwidth, for a couple family sites and to serve video content perhaps. For the VPS host I am deciding between linode and slicehost, I'd start with 10GB. Slicehost is a 5 week wait, or 2 weeks if you pay 6 months up front. It sounds quite cool, heck I want it bad, but from a place that says no initial payment it give me a funny feeling. I mean, I used to run a hosting company myself (in 1995, Tokyo) so I know what they mean when they mention cashflow and hardware. They probably will have great service since that is their main thing, and I hope Google or somebody smart invests in them. There must be some rich hackers in the vicinity. It was not clear from either linode or slicehost what tools are recommended for ordinary operations. A graphic login might have too much latency from here. Perhaps webmin.. what I mean is root is fine for apache configs but some things I'd like to use a web interface for example to quickly change user email aliasing or whatever, if it's plesk or whm or HSPComplete or webmin, fine. I suppose some examples of common administration would be useful, they both mention custom interfaces but I can't tell what. Linode though has a he.com data center which means I can shave 50-100ms off latency to Japan if I pick them so I am leaning toward them.for the catalyst vps... though I am wondering if slicehost has the more advanced infrastructure, and maybe linode has more handholding? Tough call, maybe should get both? I like slicehost's attitude and their extra backup service, but also I've been watching Hurricaine Electric for a long time so ++ for linode. At any rate there has to be something said for any company that can get you running the next day.. I already have 100GB now at hostgator even if it is a cpanel site, and I don't know if I trust their hard disks to stay up, but they do seem to have most positive reviews at webhostingunleashed among shared hosts. Oh well, more agonizing to do now but now I can enjoy it in a bittersweet way thanks to all of you. Regards to all, Matt Rosin ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst hosting: the wiki page
That's very cool. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
RE: [BULK] - Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst Hosting
Now this looks very cool. But they don't mention what pipe you have to the internet. How is the performance? Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq Security Researcher II Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: Michele Beltrame [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 3:07 AM To: The elegant MVC web framework Subject: [BULK] - Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst Hosting Hello! I have a couple of slices at SliceHost, which seems very good to me (and support is just fine!). OK, they're Rails coders, but they do well... ;-) Michele. -- Michele Beltrame http://www.varlogarthas.net/ ICQ 76660101 - MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Privacy: http://www.italpro.net/em.html ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst Hosting
Mark Zealey wrote: I work for pipex hosting, who own 123-reg. Pipex was recently bought by Tiscali, wasn't it? Cheers, Dave ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst Hosting
Hello! I have a couple of slices at SliceHost, which seems very good to me (and support is just fine!). OK, they're Rails coders, but they do well... ;-) Michele. -- Michele Beltrame http://www.varlogarthas.net/ ICQ 76660101 - MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Privacy: http://www.italpro.net/em.html ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst Hosting
On 8/9/07, Barry Hoggard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/9/07, Brian Kirkbride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Linode++ I used them for years before outgrowing it and moving on to several dedicated servers. Their support cannot be beat and the prices are very reasonable. I don't see a discussion of backups on the site. How did you manage that? I suppose I could set up an amazon s3 backup routine. Barry Hoggard Just pure speculation on my part, but I would imagine that they have some sort of backup in place on any VPS setup to restore the servers in case of failure. I know they were able to chuck mine to a different (geographically speaking) data center with nothing more than a support ticket -- so I'm guessing they have systems in place to handle the mirrors of VPS images. But ... I'd rather be cautious, and if the data is that important back it up separately so in case of an uncontrolled failure you can at least pick up the pieces elsewhere. :) -J -- J. Shirley :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :: Killing two stones with one bird... http://www.toeat.com ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst Hosting
Michele Beltrame wrote: Hello! I have a couple of slices at SliceHost, which seems very good to me (and support is just fine!). OK, they're Rails coders, but they do well... ;-) Michele. Another vote for SliceHost here, been with them for a while now and more satisfied than I have ever been with another hosting company. I give them huge props for writing ALL their own hosting panel apps and keeping everything useful and lightweight (even if it is rails, heh). I tried a handful of VPS providers (but skipped linode for some reason, don't recall why) before deciding, and what sold me on SliceHost was: * Developer-friendly admins (that is a HUGE plus right there) * The cleanest out-of-the-box VM images of any provider I have dealt with so far * Tons of distros to choose from, and they are proactive about offering new / updates ones (they are gunning for a BSD image when the technology catches up, which I am excited about) * They don't oversell their server space (which leads to the only downside, having to wait for them to allocate space for you) * Their homemade panel software is awesome: * You can console in to your box via an ajax webapp if something goes horribly wrong (!!) * They offer a regular rotating backup routine for only $10 extra per month * Insanely easy to wipe or restore a VPS image if you bork it (no support tickets, just click a button) Don't mean to sound like a shill, but I burned through a handful of bad VPS providers while waiting for my slice to be ready and was overjoyed when I got to it. The VM images at some of those places were messier than a shared host environment. For shared hosting, I still like asmallorange.com for the price and the support, but stay away from their VPS service (comes pre-loaded with cPanel, and don't dare touch the apache config or the whole thing goes to hell). Danny ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
RE: [BULK] - Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst Hosting
They have the backup strategy listed on their site. You have access to 3 backups daily, weekly, and monthly. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq Security Researcher II Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: J. Shirley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 3:19 PM To: The elegant MVC web framework Subject: [BULK] - Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst Hosting On 8/9/07, Barry Hoggard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/9/07, Brian Kirkbride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Linode++ I used them for years before outgrowing it and moving on to several dedicated servers. Their support cannot be beat and the prices are very reasonable. I don't see a discussion of backups on the site. How did you manage that? I suppose I could set up an amazon s3 backup routine. Barry Hoggard Just pure speculation on my part, but I would imagine that they have some sort of backup in place on any VPS setup to restore the servers in case of failure. I know they were able to chuck mine to a different (geographically speaking) data center with nothing more than a support ticket -- so I'm guessing they have systems in place to handle the mirrors of VPS images. But ... I'd rather be cautious, and if the data is that important back it up separately so in case of an uncontrolled failure you can at least pick up the pieces elsewhere. :) -J -- J. Shirley :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :: Killing two stones with one bird... http://www.toeat.com ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [BULK] - Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst Hosting
On Friday 10 August 2007 12:43:31 pm Mesdaq, Ali wrote: Now this looks very cool. But they don't mention what pipe you have to the internet. How is the performance? The pipe is good. Bandwidth available is something over 10mbit, reliably (I haven't done extensive tests to say exactly how far it goes, but a download from my slice pegs my home cablemodem at 12mbit). Latency is also good; they're in St. Louis, just a couple hops from Chicago, and Chicago is just a couple hops from most other places. :) The storage is RAID1; you have three slots available for backups (snapshots); one made nightly, one nightly kept as a weekly (you pick the day of week), and one you can make on demand. Last time I checked they don't make it clear whether or not they actually send those offsite or what. Anything else you're wondering about? Andrew ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst Hosting
Thanks. Asmallorange looks like they don't give you so much disk space.. though I like their style and am inclined to learn more. However this month Dreamhost's monster package is cheap. What to do, what to do. Hostgator's Swamp shared is looking good now.. they also offered me an unlisted $75 dedicated server. Dreamhost has dedicated from below 70.. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst Hosting
Hi Matt, Declaration/disclaimer - I might personally benefit from this if you use it. If you use promo code CATLIST1 you should get $50.00 off Dreamhost hosting in the first year. Entirely up to you. Regards, -- Jon On Thu, 2007-08-09 at 15:01 +0900, Matt Rosin wrote: Thanks. Asmallorange looks like they don't give you so much disk space.. though I like their style and am inclined to learn more. However this month Dreamhost's monster package is cheap. What to do, what to do. Hostgator's Swamp shared is looking good now.. they also offered me an unlisted $75 dedicated server. Dreamhost has dedicated from below 70.. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst Hosting
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 11:36:45AM +0900, Matt Rosin wrote: Hello, I remember somewhere catalyst-friendly hosting. I'm looking for a new hosting company. I don't relish using catalyst without root access, having built it once locally, especially since I don't want to have to ask the company every time to edit the apache config for me. We're (eventually) intending to offer Catalyst-optimised shared hosting. The reason we don't already is because we haven't yet got our experiments to a point where we think there's a substantial value-add over getting a dreamhost acct and upgrading to $vps/whatever if you outgrow that, plus getting a support contract off us if you want to be able to ask for help with config/beating CPAN into submission/whatever else (I don't normally make a major point of us offering those but it's necessary context to what is for the moment fundamentally a recommendation of dreamhost :). -- Matt S Trout Need help with your Catalyst or DBIx::Class project? Technical DirectorWant a managed development or deployment platform? Shadowcat Systems Ltd. Contact mst (at) shadowcatsystems.co.uk for a quote http://chainsawblues.vox.com/http://www.shadowcat.co.uk/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst Hosting
On 8/8/07, Matt Rosin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I remember somewhere catalyst-friendly hosting. I'm looking for a new hosting company. I don't relish using catalyst without root access, having built it once locally, especially since I don't want to have to ask the company every time to edit the apache config for me. 1. Has anyone got a good one. I'm thinking of trying a Swamp acct on HostGator temporarily (around $20) and maybe upgrading to a VPS or tiny dedicated server later on for about $60-70. I had a VPS at a very bad hosting company I have to get rid of now. Anyway I understand you can't do things like ffmpeg with a shared account there so probably a pain to install other things. I'd probably use fastcgi I think. 2. Is it possible to do all the apache configs needed for running catalyst (fastcgi, or mod_perl) in a config file in my own public_html directory I wonder. Or does everyone running catalyst as a normal user emailing their ISP admin to configure apache every time they write a new app? Yes I know just get a root account is the answer but I'd like to know. Thanks, Matt If you want to take the VPS route now, I've been really happy with Linode.com. $20/mo and it's been rock solid for a couple months. Have 2 slices and been very pleased. Supportive IRC channel, plus a responsive customer support system. -J -- J. Shirley :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :: Killing two stones with one bird... http://www.toeat.com ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst Hosting
I work for pipex hosting, who own 123-reg. 123-reg have cheap dedi servers (from £40/mo) running ubuntu (http://www.123-reg.co.uk/dedicated-server-hosting/). You can get root access (actually a chroot, but you get full control of the box and the ip) and we even put catalyst on there as standard (using the deb packages). Bandwidth is un-metered, with a 10mbps conn to 1gbps backbone in leeds. Mark ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst Hosting
J. Shirley wrote: If you want to take the VPS route now, I've been really happy with Linode.com. $20/mo and it's been rock solid for a couple months. Have 2 slices and been very pleased. Supportive IRC channel, plus a responsive customer support system. -J Linode++ I used them for years before outgrowing it and moving on to several dedicated servers. Their support cannot be beat and the prices are very reasonable. Best, Brian Kirkbride ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst Hosting
On 8/9/07, Kieren Diment [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dreamhost seem to be the default. I've been using asmallorange.com which is ok, although they don't give you +x on gcc so if you need xs modules installed, you need to open a support ticket. They're pretty responsive though so that hasn't been a problem. Dreamhost has been a nightmare for me this week. I have a few clients with CGI sites that use Class::DBI. At some point recently they upgraded Perl and failed to install the prerequisites for some modules, such as that one. I had sites go down on different servers there, and it took several days of sending them a test script and showing them what was wrong before it was fixed. I wouldn't run a business site there. Barry Hoggard Tristan Media LLC ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst Hosting
On 8/9/07, Brian Kirkbride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Linode++ I used them for years before outgrowing it and moving on to several dedicated servers. Their support cannot be beat and the prices are very reasonable. I don't see a discussion of backups on the site. How did you manage that? I suppose I could set up an amazon s3 backup routine. Barry Hoggard ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst Hosting
dreamhost seem to be the default. I've been using asmallorange.com which is ok, although they don't give you +x on gcc so if you need xs modules installed, you need to open a support ticket. They're pretty responsive though so that hasn't been a problem. On 09/08/07, Matt Rosin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I remember somewhere catalyst-friendly hosting. I'm looking for a new hosting company. I don't relish using catalyst without root access, having built it once locally, especially since I don't want to have to ask the company every time to edit the apache config for me. 1. Has anyone got a good one. I'm thinking of trying a Swamp acct on HostGator temporarily (around $20) and maybe upgrading to a VPS or tiny dedicated server later on for about $60-70. I had a VPS at a very bad hosting company I have to get rid of now. Anyway I understand you can't do things like ffmpeg with a shared account there so probably a pain to install other things. I'd probably use fastcgi I think. 2. Is it possible to do all the apache configs needed for running catalyst (fastcgi, or mod_perl) in a config file in my own public_html directory I wonder. Or does everyone running catalyst as a normal user emailing their ISP admin to configure apache every time they write a new app? Yes I know just get a root account is the answer but I'd like to know. Thanks, Matt ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
