Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst 'forward' function doesn't return any value
Check that your development environment matches the server environment, including Perl version/location (such as using local::lib etc.) - also make sure they are using the same versions of the application and then do a matched upgrade to see if there are any incompatibilities. You can always use Perlbrew to have multiple Perl environments for testing. Looked at SO and your code seemed fine which makes me think this is an env. issue and not a code issue, but without a running example that fails we can't say. -mdk On 29/06/2017 15:49, Rick Bychowski wrote: Also my first post to the Catalyst list. :-) Are you on the same perl version on your development machine? On Jun 29, 2017 5:06 AM, Michał Nowotka wrote: Hi, This is my first message here and my first few days with inherited catalyst app so please be understanding. I have the catalyst app deployed on a server and I can see code like this: my $variable = $c->forward(qw/Curate::Controller::Utils _get_timestamp/) On my local development machine I see the variable is always null/none/whatever you call it in the Perl world. I guess this is due to some incompatibility in Catalyst versions between the server an my dev machine and the 'forward' function has changed its behavior in the meantime. I've described my problem in a good detail (with code) in this SO question: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/44824288/catalyst-forward-function-doesnt-return-any-value Can you please help me figuring out how can I assign the value to the variable without stashing it? Kind regards, Michał Nowotka ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ -- Mark Keating | Writer, Photographer, Cat-Herder Director | Shadowcat Systems Limited Enlightened Perl Organisation Lancaster and Morecambe Makers FLOSSUK (UKUUG Limited) Community Contributor| The Perl Foundation Enlightened Perl Organisation Lancaster and Morecambe Makers FLOSSUK Digital Lancaster Independent Lancaster Lancaster Hour Ethical Small Trader's Association Social Links | http://shadow.cat/blog/mark-keating/ http://linkedin.com/in/markkeating @shadowcat_mdk Shadowcat Systems Limited Is a Company registered in England and Wales. Company address: The Barracks, White Cross, South Road, Lancaster, LA1 4XQ. Company Registration Number: 05420396. Company VAT Number: 868 9313 71 Disclaimer This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shadowcat Systems Limited. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error immediately and do not disclose the contents to anyone or make copies thereof. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] UK hosting
Hi Chris, We have a Catalyst app, several Java based monitoring apps and some other apps running on Bytemark's Big V basic (£12 a month inclusive of VAT) VPS offering. They seem to work fine. The Catalyst app runs on its own VPS as do each install of the Java App. which is OpenNMS installs. As long as your requirements are low (which they seem to be) they work well enough. Linode's UK offers are also good and are a Perl company so they understand Perl well - Bytemark seem to be Ruby/PhP. Both Bytemark and Linode seem to have clued-up and helpful devs and have freenode channels on irc so you can scout them out and have a chat before visiting web portals and customer mangle-ment. Hope this helps. -mdk On 11/01/2016 17:21, Chris Welch wrote: Hello This is not actually a technical request, so apologies if I shouldn't be asking this here. I'm hoping some of you can recommend a host - I've got my site to a point where I need to think about putting it online somewhere. It's a rewrite of a current site, which I wrote 10 years ago when I was learning Perl and that does a maximum of 500MB bandwidth a month, so I don't think I'd need any more than 1GB to be safe, but I don't know what sort of server specs I ought to be going for with a database (MySQL) driven site (my current one uses dbm hashes). I've had a look at the (Google cached, as it seems to be down at the moment) hosting page on the Catalyst wiki and most of the reviews aren't very recent, so it would be handy to know if there are any up-to-date recommendations. I don't necessarily need UK based hosting, but something that's reasonably responsive for UK-based visitors. My current site is hosted here: https://krystal.co.uk/ - I have always been happy with them, but the requirement to move to VPS to host the Catalyst app means I need to shop around a bit - their VPS costs don't seem to offer as much as some of the others. This is a local sports league website, so I don't have a huge amount of money to play with - I think I can persuade them to spend about £10-15 a month. Thank you in advance. Chris ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ *mark Keating* Managing Director t: +44 (0)1524 842155 | m: +44 (0) 7951 557226| w: www.shadow.cat w: www.shadownms.com Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/ShadowcatSystems> Twitter <https://twitter.com/shadow_dot_cat> LinkedIn <https://uk.linkedin.com/in/markkeating> Flickr <https://www.flickr.com/photos/shadowcat_mdk/> Instagram <https://instagram.com/shadow_dot_cat/> Contact me: Google Talk mark.keating Skype shadowcat-mdk Latest Blog: End of Year 2015 <http://shadow.cat/blog/mark-keating/2016/01-2015-review/> Follow teststamp on Twitter <http://www.twitter.com/shadowcat_mdk> IMPORTANT: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential. They are intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to anyone or make copies thereof. Designed with WiseStamp - <http://r1.wisestamp.com/r/landing?u=032dffc11b64b6ed&v=null&t=1452551424568&promo=10&dest=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wisestamp.com%2Femail-install%3Futm_source%3Dextension%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3Dpromo_10>Get yours <http://r1.wisestamp.com/r/landing?u=032dffc11b64b6ed&v=null&t=1452551424568&promo=10&dest=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wisestamp.com%2Femail-install%3Futm_source%3Dextension%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3Dpromo_10> ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] [Dbix-class] Perl and Google Summer of Code 2014
On 04/02/2014 08:38, Mark Keating wrote: Hello All. The Perl Foundation are (hopefully) participating as a mentor organization in GSoC 2014! Student applications may be submitted starting March 10th and are due by March 21st, but students should start getting involved with their communities and the TPF Summer of Code Students mailing list: (https://groups.google.com/group/tpf-gsoc-students) and start thinking about project ideas now. You can see a list of project ideas and add any organisation ideas here: http://wiki.enlightenedperl.org/gsoc2014/ideas - currently blank so we need action on this fast - please add your ideas as soon as you can (and that means today if possible). Mentors and community organizers: please join the admin list at: tpf-g...@googlegroups.com - https://groups.google.com/group/tpf-gsoc and help get the word out to students using whatever means you can. * TPF Admin: Jonathan Leto * TPF Admin: Mark Keating If you have questions, please join us in #soc-help on irc.perl.org. The time is now, please spread the news as far as you can. -mdk ___ List: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dbix-class IRC: irc.perl.org#dbix-class SVN: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/repos/bast/DBIx-Class/ Searchable Archive: http://www.grokbase.com/group/dbix-cl...@lists.scsys.co.uk Clearly that email should have been m.keat...@shadowcat.co.uk - I was just seeing who would notice! (Whistles and runs away quickly) -mdk ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
[Catalyst] Perl and Google Summer of Code 2014
Hello All. The Perl Foundation are (hopefully) participating as a mentor organization in GSoC 2014! Student applications may be submitted starting March 10th and are due by March 21st, but students should start getting involved with their communities and the TPF Summer of Code Students mailing list: (https://groups.google.com/group/tpf-gsoc-students) and start thinking about project ideas now. You can see a list of project ideas and add any organisation ideas here: http://wiki.enlightenedperl.org/gsoc2014/ideas - currently blank so we need action on this fast - please add your ideas as soon as you can (and that means today if possible). Mentors and community organizers: please join the admin list at: tpf-g...@googlegroups.com - https://groups.google.com/group/tpf-gsoc and help get the word out to students using whatever means you can. * TPF Admin: Jonathan Leto * TPF Admin: Mark Keating If you have questions, please join us in #soc-help on irc.perl.org. The time is now, please spread the news as far as you can. -mdk ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
[Catalyst] New design
The nice chaps at Evozon have recently been making design mocks for a bunch of Perl sites and they have come up with a fresh look for Catalyst. Take a look and let me know what you guys think. http://www.mdk.me.uk/community/mocks/Catalyst.jpg Kind regards Mark -- Mark Keating BA (Hons), Writer, Photographer, Cat-Herder. Managing Director: http://www.shadow.cat For more that I do visit: http://www.mdk.me ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
[Catalyst] Google Code-In
Hi all, Sorry if you see this more than once as i hit a couple of different mailing lists. We are attempting to participate in the Google Code In this year and as always time is short. We need tasks added here: http://wiki.enlightenedperl.org/gci2012/tasks In the next 48 hours (and most definately before midnight Friday). More information can be found here: http://wiki.enlightenedperl.org/gci2012 Please could you forward this on to relevant people in your groups, projects and spread the word in other channels as soon as possible. Thanks in advance (sorry for the multiple posts to those on multiple lists). Kind regards Mark -- Mark Keating BA (Hons), Writer, Photographer, Cat-Herder. Managing Director: http://www.shadow.cat For more that I do visit: http://www.mdk.me ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: Bounces (was Re: [Catalyst] Multiple applications (some cat based) on the same server)
On 26/08/2011 12:49, Chris Jackson wrote: On 26/08/11 11:41, Aaron Trevena wrote: Cool - I must have missed my first email about bounces as I was kicked off around the 12th as well, and only just re-enabled delivery. I've just reset everyone who was disabled by bounce. This seems to have been caused by a misconfiguration which only came to light when we enabled ipv6 - so, apologies about that. Chris++ - finding and fixing the problem :) -- Chris Jackson Shadowcat Systems Ltd. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ -- Mark Keating BA (Hons), Writer, Photographer, Cat-Herder. Managing Director: http://www.shadow.cat For more that I do visit: http://www.mdk.me ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
[Catalyst] London Perl Workshop 2011 (UKPW): Industrial Strength Perl (#1)
for the event now as I will get to see Josette again Shadowcat Systems Sponsors Mark Keating (Organisation), Evening Sponsorship (Beer and Food) Without Shadowcat I would not have the time and funds to manage the organisational task that is the LPW, they are my constant guide to support, promote and aid me if anything goes awry and they love the community (we really do, PIMC). Shadowcat Systems is a developer, sponsor of, and contributor to open source software projects including Catalyst, the elegant web framework, and DBIx::Class, an object-orientated database abstraction library. Shadowcat provides consultancy, training and support for these projects; systems management and automation; the design and implementation of network architecture; the development of proprietary and open source custom web applications; and offers Perl refactoring and project crisis management. Shadowcat Systems are based in the United Kingdom but we deliver solutions to a global community of clients via onsite supervision along with traditional and internet based communications. SureVOIP Room 1 (With UK2) SureVoip are a business focused VOIP service with a strong dedication to providing "Open Telecoms for Business". This is the first time they have sponsored the LPW directly though they were involved with us last year and we welcome them as they sponsor room 1 with UK2. UK2.Net Room 1 (with SureVoip), Training Room, Evening Sponsorship (Beer and Food) Another new sponsor to the London Perl Workshop this year is UK2.net, and like Moonfruit they decided to give us a generous fund to start their association with our event. Sponsoring the training room, a room with SureVoip and contributing funds towards the evenings food and drink (which I believe will now match the wonderful event we had last year). It is great to welcome them on board for this year. UK2.net likes Perl, our entire platform is based on it, helping us to service hundreds of thousands of customers enjoying some of the best pricing for domains, web hosting and dedicated servers out there. We've been one of the largest players in the industry since 1998 and we've just launched a new VPS service allowing you to buy resources and launch as many smaller VPS as you wish on our cloud. These have auto failover, root access, an external console and loads more goodies for just £8.95 a month. No need to tell you this is ideal for dev environments where you need to kill and redeploy your server in an instant. The platform even allows you to create your own virtual machine templates or choose from one of our instantly deployable stacks. Not bad for less than a tenner. University of Westminster Hosts, Sean Tohill (Organisation) It is a complex and evolutionary time for UK Universities and one in which the boundaries of their operational existence must change. it is unfortunate that this means we have to find more sponsorship to cover room costs (though this was benefited by us attracting some awesome sponsors), however we were still given a generous discount. Then there is Sean who has supported us for many years and gives his time and effort into securing appropriate dates, rooms and running as an interface buffer between us and the university. Again, for me Sean is a staple part of the LPW buffet and one that I look forward to each year. This year will be no different I am sure. That is all for this inaugural newsletter, more information can be found on the conference website and you will be kept up to date in future newsletters. Regards -- mdk -- Mark Keating BA (Hons), Writer, Photographer, Cat-Herder. Managing Director: http://www.shadow.cat For more that I do visit: http://www.mdk.me ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
[Catalyst] GSOC Flyer for participation
Further to my previous email, there is a flyer available as a pdf at: http://www.community.markkeating.me.uk/promotion/GSOC-2011-Flyer.pdf This can be printed out and displayed on notice boards or handed to students in your area, if you have a couple of hours to print these out and distribute them in appropriate locations it would be much appreciated. Kind regards Mark -- Mark Keating BA (Hons) | Writer, Photographer, Cat-Herder Managing Director | Shadowcat Systems Limited Director/Secretary | Enlightened Perl Organisation co-Leader | North West England Perl Mongers http://www.shadowcat.co.uk | http://www.enlightenedperl.org http://northwestengland.pm.org | http://linkedin.com/in/markkeating ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Strawberry Perl Professional Alpha 2 coming soon... requesting module list check.
On 18/07/2010 11:35, Mark Keating wrote: On 17/07/2010 19:55, Curtis Jewell wrote: Also, can I use the "crop circles" icon as part of the web link for Catalyst in the Start menu? Or are there legal issues with that? You can use the crop circle for Catalyst links - Shadowcat bought the rights to the original image (before the Cat. logo was integrated) and I don't believe the Catalyst Foundation prevents the usage of the image to promote/link/indicate Catalyst in any manner. --Mark Hmmm, and it has been pointed out that there is no Foundation - this is my sleep deprived mind...I meant the core developers --Curtis -- Curtis Jewell csjew...@cpan.org http://csjewell.dreamwidth.org/ p...@csjewell.fastmail.us http://csjewell.comyr.org/perl/ "Your random numbers are not that random" -- perl-5.10.1.tar.gz/util.c Strawberry Perl for Windows betas: http://strawberryperl.com/beta/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ -- Mark Keating BA (Hons) | Writer, Photographer, Cat-Herder Managing Director | Shadowcat Systems Limited Director/Secretary | Enlightened Perl Organisation co-Leader | North West England Perl Mongers http://www.shadowcat.co.uk | http://www.enlightenedperl.org http://northwestengland.pm.org | http://linkedin.com/in/markkeating ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Strawberry Perl Professional Alpha 2 coming soon... requesting module list check.
On 17/07/2010 19:55, Curtis Jewell wrote: Also, can I use the "crop circles" icon as part of the web link for Catalyst in the Start menu? Or are there legal issues with that? You can use the crop circle for Catalyst links - Shadowcat bought the rights to the original image (before the Cat. logo was integrated) and I don't believe the Catalyst Foundation prevents the usage of the image to promote/link/indicate Catalyst in any manner. --Mark --Curtis -- Curtis Jewell csjew...@cpan.org http://csjewell.dreamwidth.org/ p...@csjewell.fastmail.us http://csjewell.comyr.org/perl/ "Your random numbers are not that random" -- perl-5.10.1.tar.gz/util.c Strawberry Perl for Windows betas: http://strawberryperl.com/beta/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ -- Mark Keating BA (Hons) | Writer, Photographer, Cat-Herder Managing Director | Shadowcat Systems Limited Director/Secretary | Enlightened Perl Organisation co-Leader | North West England Perl Mongers http://www.shadowcat.co.uk | http://www.enlightenedperl.org http://northwestengland.pm.org | http://linkedin.com/in/markkeating ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
[Catalyst] Question the book authors
Hi all on the Catalyst list. The next technical meeting of North West England Perl Mongers will be held at the MEN offices in Manchester on the 28th October. We will be gifted with a talk by Jess Robinson on Docs and then Jess, Matt Trout and Kieren (three of the authors of the latest Catalyst book) will be answering questions live on stage. Kieren is in Australia so will be joining us via conference link-ups and we hope to stream the whole event to the internet/or record and put the video up afterwards. If you can attend via real person/web link that would be great, if not please email questions to us (in fact this is the wisest course of action) and we will ask the authors on the night. Questions can be sent to: m(dot)keating(at)shadowcat.co.uk Hope to see you there, more information can be found here: http://northwestengland.pm.org/meetings/010.html Mark Keating BA (Hons) | Writer, Photographer, Cat-Herder Managing Director | Shadowcat Systems Limited Director/Secretary | Enlightened Perl Organisation co-Leader | North West England Perl Mongers http://www.shadowcat.co.uk | http://www.enlightenedperl.org http://northwestengland.pm.org | http://linkedin.com/in/markkeating ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Success stories please
On 6 Oct 2008, at 00:01, J. Shirley wrote: On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Matt S Trout [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://perlbuzz.com/2008/10/whats-the-state-of-perl-web-frameworks.html Shout out your support please, let's show the wider world that we're -the- real MVC option right now. And be honest - I don't think anybody thinks the docs are perfect or the learning curve's as shallow as it could be, but that doesn't mean Catalyst isn't still awesome. Andy apparently just wanted to start a flamewar. This "article" is idiotic, the reasons more so. I'm disappointed in perlbuzz in general as it now holds the same amount of respect as getting my news from The National Inquirer. I'd encourage people to rather blog about finding the article to be in poor taste, then post their success stories. Commenting here or on that blog entry is going to be buried. ++ to this Ignore the arsey blog post with a conversation that had no value as an opinion of any sort. If someone were to do a frank and open blog post on the state of MVCs and where Cat stands in that, that'd be cool. It would be pointless to indicate the guy was being a provocative idiot. Destructive arguments and comments are easy (ask his partner) we should be constructive. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Re: Catalyst site design drafts feedback thread
I have the original .eps file of the Catalyst logo, you will find it at: http://www.external.shadowcatprojects.net/data/common/images/catalyst logo.eps It can be scaled to pretty much any size in a IMP but if you would like it as a png/gif/jpg of a set size/quality and do not have the time/inclination to do it just ask and I will do this for you and post it to the same location for retrival. Marcello Romani wrote: Tobias Kremer ha scritto: Quoting Aristotle Pagaltzis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: * Tobias Kremer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-06-17 08:40]: I've incorporated some of the suggestions into the next version of the mockup which can be found here: Awesome. There are still nits, but you have already made those clear yourself, and it’s a huge improvement over the promising first draft, so I’m confident you’ll get there. I've started to code the site and the ongoing process is available at http://www.funkreich.de/catalyst. It's currently known to look good in Mozilla Firefox and Safari. MSIE (as always) still looks a bit odd but I think we're far from browser-optimizing the site :) Some nits: [...] Thanks! :) • The text in the left column: I don’t have a good suggestion off hand, but if you want, I can spend some time thinking about it. (Are you on IRC? We might confer/brainstorm a bit.) Good idea! My nick is "soulchild" but I'm currently at work and can't promise that I'll make it into the room. --Tobias ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ It looks great on FF3.0 I think the cat logo could be enlarged and made transparent, so that the lower "arm" of the crop circle overlaps a little with the red bar below. This way the logo could be enlarged without the need to add more white space to the top of the page (which would be a waste of space), and would also add a bit of "special effect" to the page, without being, IMHO, too intrusive. Just my .2 cents. Keep up the good work! -- Mark Keating BA (Hons) | Writer, Photographer, Cat-Herder Managing Director | Shadowcat Systems Limited Director/Secretary | Enlightened Perl Organisation http://www.shadowcat.co.uk | http://www.enlightenedperl.org http://linkedin.com/in/markkeating | 'Sufficiently Advanced Technology' ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Re: Catalyst site design drafts feedback thread
On the subject of Cornfields. Hi all, just for the curious: The cornfield used in this image was found by me and the composite picture put together with one or two other Catalyst insiders in 2005. The original image had a different corn-circle - which I edited out and then we replaced it with the Cat. symbol. I subsequently bought rights to use the original image in this edited form for the Catalyst Foundation (well Shadowcat Systems did and donated its use) and as such the base cornfield image and sunsequent re-imaging can be used. The Catalyst cornfield image is free for the Foundation to make profit from, I have a larger version of the original cornfield and will re-edit out the original circle if necessary for large-scale printing. If anyone wants to see the original image then let me know and I will post a version somewhere. -- Mark Keating BA (Hons) | Writer, Photographer, Cat-Herder Managing Director | Shadowcat Systems Limited Director/Secretary | Enlightened Perl Organisation http://www.shadowcat.co.uk | http://www.enlightenedperl.org http://linkedin.com/in/markkeating | 'Sufficiently Advanced Technology' ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] So, what do we want in the -next- book?
Dare I say, an Enlightened Perl Development book? *prod prod* HEY MST AND MDK I AM LOOKING AT YOU GUYS. *cough* Actually a Developers Perl book sounds like a good idea. Perl for Enterprise: A look at Enlightened Perl Development That way you could cover quite a few camps at once, if it took a theme such as bringing an app into existence (as already mentioned here) including all aspects of dev. then it might even elicit some general interest to other language developers who are very confused as to the current state of Perl. Also. J SHIRLEY - you is on the board as well :P -- Mark Keating BA (Hons) | Writer, Photographer, Cat-Herder Managing Director| Shadowcat Systems Limited Board Member | Enlightened Perl Organisation http://www.shadowcat.co.uk | 'Sufficiently Advanced Technology' http://www.enlightenedperl.org | http://linkedin.com/in/markkeating http://www.projectmonkey.vox.com | MSN: mdk at shadowcatsystems.co.uk ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] So, what do we want in the -next- book?
I don't normally respond to this list so forgive my intrusion: Ali M. wrote: "Education (or knowledge depending on how you translate it) is As Indispensable As Water and Air" -- Taha Hussein (an Egyptian scholar) "The quality of an Education is related directly to the cost of that Education. An individuals right to that Education should be without limitation but the price of it must be shared by all." -- Mark Keating (UK OSS supporter) . One of the maing benefits of Free Software is Free education, I don't understand when a Free Software proponent do not also support just as much free education in the form of free docs and books I think you are taking the word 'free' in far too liberal a sense. OSS is not free. It costs quite a lot. What it usually costs is time. The developers who create these tools for us do so at that cost, they are willing to pay it. The docs that are available online are done so with the same cost. To believe that this is all 'free' is a very narrow distinction, the code and docs might be freely available but that's only because the cost has already been paid (in time as already quoted). There is no 'free' lunch and no 'free' beer and no 'free' clothes ( I should know I have supplied all of these to developers as some small thanks for the work they do at the 'cost' of their own time). Making community docs available online 'freely' distributed is not the same as writing a book. Which is where this thread began (I believe). Until such a time that there is a utopia where people can be liberally rewarded (by an overseeing body for the community) so that they may enlighten us all 'freely' in writing books and teaching, I guess we'll have to keep buying books so that they can buy food (hmmm sounds like an overt Capatalist action to a Socialistic ideal). I do wish we lived in a world where we didn't have different systems of government affecting community driven events such as OSS, we should have people sponsored for doing community projects so that everyone can have them. I am a proponent of the idea that Education is an absolute right, not a "benefit", but at no point do I blinker myself into thinking their is no cost. So this is not about support. It is about reality. Apologies for the vitriol. On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 8:13 AM, Matt Rosin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: FWIW, I am very much for both free and commercial docs. The more docs of both types the better. I would prefer that experts loved by the community be given incentives to do both. Books are nice, but I would probably prefer purchasing just the digital version of a book right now. No shipping or printing costs, always at my fingertips. Ideally it would include a lifetime ID so I could download it with revisions and code forever, so if I lost the data I could get it again. It would have to be unencumbered and preferably both a PDF and pod versions. I'd like recognition of a relationship and credit toward future purchases. As a loyal customer I tend to repurchase things I like over the years, multiple times. I wonder if it could be made cheaper by forgoing the physical printing but giving the author/editor/publishing team the same profit. That might make it easier for more people to get hold of it. My 2 yen, Matt R. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ -- Mark Keating BA (Hons) | Writer, Photographer, Cat-Herder Managing Director| Shadowcat Systems Limited Board Member | Enlightened Perl Organisation http://www.shadowcat.co.uk | 'Sufficiently Advanced Technology' http://www.enlightenedperl.org | http://linkedin.com/in/markkeating http://www.projectmonkey.vox.com | MSN: mdk at shadowcatsystems.co.uk ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
