Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst site design drafts feedback thread

2008-06-18 Thread Marcello Romani

Drew Taylor ha scritto:

On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Matt S Trout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Simon Elliott
(1) http://www.browsing.co.uk/cat


I liked this one the most of the original designs.

However, I now prefer Tobias' version at http://www.funkreich.de/catalyst/.

One suggestion, I suggest incorporating a list of recent blogs/news as
in Simon's design. To me, that indicates the freshness, for lack of
a better word, of the project and its community.

And to everyone, keep up the good work!

Drew


I put my vote to this new design!

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Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst site design drafts feedback thread

2008-06-17 Thread Tobias Kremer

On 17.06.2008, at 04:13, Kieren Diment wrote:

On 17 Jun 2008, at 03:39, Jay K wrote:

6) http://www.funkreich.de/catalystorg.png
I decided to review these again.  I think that this one is my  
favourite, although I'd really like to see the crop circle  
integrated into the final design.


I've incorporated some of the suggestions into the next version of the  
mockup which can be found here:


http://funkreich.de/catalyst/v2.png

I'm still trying to figure out what goes where. The texts and  
navigational elements aren't final either.


Any feedback is greatly appreciated!

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Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst site design drafts feedback thread

2008-06-17 Thread Martin Ellison
On my browser (FF3, screen resolution 1440x900):


  (1) http://www.browsing.co.uk/cat


The YouTube box overlaps part of the second column.


  (2) 
  http://agaton.scsys.co.uk/~matthewt/catsite/cat_mock_web_001.pnghttp://agaton.scsys.co.uk/%7Ematthewt/catsite/cat_mock_web_001.png

 Takes a long time to download the graphic.


  (3) http://ion0.com/hx/cat/new-version-2-26.jpg


There is a very dark logo at the top and then the rest of the page is blank
white.


  (4) http://ion0.com/hx/cat/catalystSiteDesign3.jpg




 Most of the page is a blue-grey blank.


  (5) 
  http://agaton.scsys.co.uk/~matthewt/catsite/catsite-Penfold.pdfhttp://agaton.scsys.co.uk/%7Ematthewt/catsite/catsite-Penfold.pdf

 Don't like this one.



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Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst site design drafts feedback thread

2008-06-17 Thread Gabriel Vieira
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 3:15 AM, Tobias Kremer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've incorporated some of the suggestions into the next version of the
 mockup which can be found here:

 http://funkreich.de/catalyst/v2.png

 I'm still trying to figure out what goes where. The texts and navigational
 elements aren't final either.

 Any feedback is greatly appreciated!

Okay.
I still vote #1 and I still think it would be really nice with the
suggestion I've made. Buuut, this new candidate can be a good one.

Let's go:
1) I suggest you start develop the HTML/DHTML code instead of drawing
it. It's easier, cleaner, more beautiful and we finally can see how it
will be.
2) The Catalyst logo is to small, it needs to be impressive, needs
to be memorized by the visitor, it's beautiful, so show it!
3) The red/orange banner is too big, there is no needs, you are giving
attraction to it instead of the logo or something that attracts to
Catalyst.
4) There is NOTHING in the top. Waste of space.
5) The bottom will be really fine, will see when you start to generate
HTML code.

That's all folks,

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Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst site design drafts feedback thread

2008-06-17 Thread Ali M.
Oh!

Tobias, to make your design more striking! can you try to switch the
color on the banner where it says Turbo Charge your Perl Web
devlopment!

Make the backgroung White and the Logo and fonts in red ... or at
least the logo in red and the font in anything that goes with it !

I believe this may make the design more striking ...which what i hope
the new site aims for!

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Ali M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Tobias ...

 I can add to you few comments and suggestion.

 Can you emphasize more the Catalyst logo .. I find it still kinda small
 Look at
 http://grails.org/
 the Grails logo is like huge and its the first thing that catches your
 eye when you open the Grails site

 In general I have few more comment, I think one of the most important
 objective for the new grails site is that it beez Catalyst powered. So
 the new desing should have a powered by catalyst button ... I know the
 new wiki will be ...

 One more thing I like about the grails site is that the design is
 really different! At least to me its like nothing i've seen before ...
 i will never confuse the grails site for another one

 So I think the new Catalyst site should aim for that too, to be really
 different ... for example Tobias site uses a very common and
 seen-before button for the download link, feels cheap to me (no
 offense) , so I guess we should work more on this too

 regards
 Ali

 On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Tobias Kremer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 17.06.2008, at 04:13, Kieren Diment wrote:

 On 17 Jun 2008, at 03:39, Jay K wrote:

 6) http://www.funkreich.de/catalystorg.png

 I decided to review these again.  I think that this one is my favourite,
 although I'd really like to see the crop circle integrated into the final
 design.

 I've incorporated some of the suggestions into the next version of the
 mockup which can be found here:

 http://funkreich.de/catalyst/v2.png

 I'm still trying to figure out what goes where. The texts and navigational
 elements aren't final either.

 Any feedback is greatly appreciated!

 --Tobias




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Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst site design drafts feedback thread

2008-06-17 Thread Drew Taylor
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Matt S Trout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Simon Elliott
 (1) http://www.browsing.co.uk/cat

I liked this one the most of the original designs.

However, I now prefer Tobias' version at http://www.funkreich.de/catalyst/.

One suggestion, I suggest incorporating a list of recent blogs/news as
in Simon's design. To me, that indicates the freshness, for lack of
a better word, of the project and its community.

And to everyone, keep up the good work!

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Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst site design drafts feedback thread

2008-06-16 Thread Kieren Diment


On 17 Jun 2008, at 03:39, Jay K wrote:



6) http://www.funkreich.de/catalystorg.png



I decided to review these again.  I think that this one is my  
favourite, although I'd really like to see the crop circle integrated  
into the final design.


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Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst site design drafts feedback thread

2008-06-12 Thread Ali M.
 Simon Elliott:

 (1) http://www.browsing.co.uk/cat


This one looks the most professional, but the Catalyst logo is not big
enough, and it have no spirit. I prefer site that look radically
different.

Catalyst's spirit is free-form art, the Catalyst slogan is that the
framework impose little rools and you get to pick your own weapons and
tools.

You know how sometimes people target symmetry to achieve beauty.

You know how some do the opposite, break symmetry to achieve beauty,
because you know its art. This is where I find Perl's spirit, and this
is where I think Catalyst's spirit is.

This site isn't that at all... but its pretty and professional and clean.



 Mark Keating:

 (2) http://agaton.scsys.co.uk/~matthewt/catsite/cat_mock_web_001.png


Like the picture, have the colors, maybe site one should take the
picture the emphasize the catalyst logo

 Scott Ladzinski:

 (3) http://ion0.com/hx/cat/new-version-2-26.jpg
 (4) http://ion0.com/hx/cat/catalystSiteDesign3.jpg


They seem imcomplete and too traditional

 Mike Whitaker:

 (5) http://agaton.scsys.co.uk/~matthewt/catsite/catsite-Penfold.pdf


This feels more in the spirit of Catalyst, but its just not pretty

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Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst site design drafts feedback thread

2008-06-12 Thread Eden Cardim
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Matt S Trout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 (1) http://www.browsing.co.uk/cat

The color scheme works well, I'm particularly fond of the red and grey
combination, and I'd get rid of the colourful lines above the content
columns. I dislike the ingredients image with the black border,
although it looks cute now, it'll quickly fade into dullness after
looking at it on the course of the next few years, which is why I
think it should be a logo-related image like (2).

 (2) http://agaton.scsys.co.uk/~matthewt/catsite/cat_mock_web_001.png

The major pro for this is the crop circle image which stands out quite
nicely. Inspite of liking the greenish tones, I'd like the color
theming to be redish to match the logo. The content regions would look
better if they were seamless. The white catalyst name over light
green looks pretty dull and the gradient button-like toolbar options
are hard to read.

 (3) http://ion0.com/hx/cat/new-version-2-26.jpg

Too much blur and the main content box puts most of the screen to
waste. I've never liked toolbar options on bold fonts, it's too
aggressive.

 (4) http://ion0.com/hx/cat/catalystSiteDesign3.jpg

Same as (3), and the color theme doesn't work.

 (5) http://agaton.scsys.co.uk/~matthewt/catsite/catsite-Penfold.pdf

The simplistic take works well, although I don't see a reason for the
bordered gradient on the left panel or the grey background on the
right. Bold font option list annoys me, so do the dot list separators.
Version number should be omitted on the download link.

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Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst site design drafts feedback thread

2008-06-12 Thread Erik Wasser
On Wednesday 11 June 2008, Matt S Trout wrote:

 Simon Elliott:

 (1) http://www.browsing.co.uk/cat

To be short: I like the first version.

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Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst site design drafts feedback thread

2008-06-12 Thread Dave Howorth
Matt S Trout wrote:
 Where possible, please reply with your feedback directly to this post

To add a little to themes that others have brought up; basically some
things to consider in the design.

I have old eyes too, and strong lenses, so I'm all for good size clear
fonts. It's also easier to read dark writing on a light background.
Sites with important content in light writing on a dark background put
me off, especially in fonts with thin, elegant strokes.

I never have my browser window the full width of my screen. I want to be
able to make use of whatever I'm seeing in the browser in some other
window at the same time. So I get very annoyed by sites that are
gratuitously wide and don't gracefully reshape if I change my browser width.

I also get annoyed by sites that don't cope well if I increase the font
size. Either bits of 'text' that don't change size (e.g. flash or
images), or text that overlaps images or other text, or that forces the
window wider.

Finally, I quite often browse with Javascript off, so menus or search
boxes that don't provide HTML fallback are irritating.

HTH, Dave

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Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst site design drafts feedback thread

2008-06-12 Thread Mitch Jackson
 Once we've got feedback in, everybody will go away and revise their
 designs (or not, if they think you're all wrong :) and then we'll do
 consultation on the final drafts.

I like this one best so far:  http://catalyst.perl.org/

The submissions represent good work, and show potential.  I prefer the
original site because:
- Best use of color
- Use of fonts and layout keeps the eye from getting lost in the
first second or so of viewing
- Best navigation structure, especially over the leading contender
http://www.browsing.co.uk/cat/,
  which I think will leave many people lost with the nav crammed into
the upper corner where it
  might be easily overlooked for the bigger, more obvious content
links below.  Also, the nav
  is too small and vague, and could leave the initial visitor unsure
what content the site offers

/Mitch

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Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst site design drafts feedback thread

2008-06-12 Thread Matt S Trout
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 03:58:28PM -0500, Dave Rolsky wrote:
 On Wed, 11 Jun 2008, Dave Rolsky wrote:
 
 On Wed, 11 Jun 2008, Matt S Trout wrote:
 
 Simon Elliott:
 
 (1) http://www.browsing.co.uk/cat
 
 Overall my favorite. The white text against the bottom of the grey 
 gradient starts to fade, but I'm sure that's easily fixed. I wouldn't mind 
 making all the non-tab text a little larger, but maybe my eyes are a 
 little older than our target audience ;)
 
 Also, big bonus points for actually having implemented the darn thing!
 
 All the other are mockups. We don't know how well they'll translate into 
 HTML  CSS. This one uses nice semantic HTML and CSS. Double bonus points 
 for using YUI Grids, which should help keep future maintenance easier.

I'm expecting the final drafts to be HTML.

I'm also expecting the designers already know they'll translate fine. That's
their area of expertise and I'm happy to leave it to them, since what the
final voting will be on will be HTML anyway.

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Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst site design drafts feedback thread

2008-06-11 Thread Vincent Parsons


On Jun 11, 2008, at 3:54 PM, Matt S Trout wrote:


Ok, here's how this is going to work:

We're going to have one round of feedback, I'll give it a week or  
two or

until this thread stops getting new posts.

The designs are numbered so we have a simple way to refer to them;  
I've

presented them in alphabetical order by creator surname.

Feedback should be *look and feel* - the actual content will obviously
be determined as/when we do the actual implementation so my previous  
rule
of content suggestions in a separate thread and you have to be  
willing

to implement the suggestion applies.

Where possible, please reply with your feedback directly to this post
- while you may want to elaborate on what somebody else has said, I  
want
-your- comments specifically because if all feedback stands alone  
it'll

be easier to marshal for the designers.

Once we've got feedback in, everybody will go away and revise their
designs (or not, if they think you're all wrong :) and then we'll do
consultation on the final drafts.

Here are the designs I've been given:

Simon Elliott:

(1) http://www.browsing.co.uk/cat

I personally like this one the most.



Mark Keating:

(2) http://agaton.scsys.co.uk/~matthewt/catsite/cat_mock_web_001.png

This ons is a distant second.



Scott Ladzinski:

(3) http://ion0.com/hx/cat/new-version-2-26.jpg
(4) http://ion0.com/hx/cat/catalystSiteDesign3.jpg

no



Mike Whitaker:

(5) http://agaton.scsys.co.uk/~matthewt/catsite/catsite-Penfold.pdf

and no



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Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst site design drafts feedback thread

2008-06-11 Thread Roderick A. Anderson

Matt S Trout wrote:

Ok, here's how this is going to work:

We're going to have one round of feedback, I'll give it a week or two or
until this thread stops getting new posts.

The designs are numbered so we have a simple way to refer to them; I've
presented them in alphabetical order by creator surname.

Feedback should be *look and feel* - the actual content will obviously
be determined as/when we do the actual implementation so my previous rule
of content suggestions in a separate thread and you have to be willing
to implement the suggestion applies.

Where possible, please reply with your feedback directly to this post
- while you may want to elaborate on what somebody else has said, I want
-your- comments specifically because if all feedback stands alone it'll
be easier to marshal for the designers.

Once we've got feedback in, everybody will go away and revise their
designs (or not, if they think you're all wrong :) and then we'll do
consultation on the final drafts.

Here are the designs I've been given:

Simon Elliott:

(1) http://www.browsing.co.uk/cat


Nice but too now.  And I am guilty of doing the same type of layouts.



Mark Keating:

(2) http://agaton.scsys.co.uk/~matthewt/catsite/cat_mock_web_001.png


Yes the crop circle is an eye/mind catcher but does it say the wrong 
thing about Catalyst?




Scott Ladzinski:

(3) http://ion0.com/hx/cat/new-version-2-26.jpg


I like the color scheme, but


(4) http://ion0.com/hx/cat/catalystSiteDesign3.jpg


the way the area under the navigation bar pops out is better.



Mike Whitaker: 


(5) http://agaton.scsys.co.uk/~matthewt/catsite/catsite-Penfold.pdf


Same as 1.  Maybe a little warm-and-fuzzy coloring (and same for 1 
above) would make it ... warmer.  :-)




Gentlement, start your feedback engines.


Thank goodness they don't cost $US 4.00+ to run per mile.


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Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst site design drafts feedback thread

2008-06-11 Thread Gabriel Vieira
None of them attract me Catalyst or to navigate the site. Sorry.
But if would really need to choose one, the #1 would be chosen.
I think the actual design is modern then the options here.

Sorry if I wrote something stupid.



On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Matt S Trout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ok, here's how this is going to work:

 We're going to have one round of feedback, I'll give it a week or two or
 until this thread stops getting new posts.

 The designs are numbered so we have a simple way to refer to them; I've
 presented them in alphabetical order by creator surname.

 Feedback should be *look and feel* - the actual content will obviously
 be determined as/when we do the actual implementation so my previous rule
 of content suggestions in a separate thread and you have to be willing
 to implement the suggestion applies.

 Where possible, please reply with your feedback directly to this post
 - while you may want to elaborate on what somebody else has said, I want
 -your- comments specifically because if all feedback stands alone it'll
 be easier to marshal for the designers.

 Once we've got feedback in, everybody will go away and revise their
 designs (or not, if they think you're all wrong :) and then we'll do
 consultation on the final drafts.

 Here are the designs I've been given:

 Simon Elliott:

 (1) http://www.browsing.co.uk/cat

 Mark Keating:

 (2) http://agaton.scsys.co.uk/~matthewt/catsite/cat_mock_web_001.png

 Scott Ladzinski:

 (3) http://ion0.com/hx/cat/new-version-2-26.jpg
 (4) http://ion0.com/hx/cat/catalystSiteDesign3.jpg

 Mike Whitaker:

 (5) http://agaton.scsys.co.uk/~matthewt/catsite/catsite-Penfold.pdf

 Gentlement, start your feedback engines.

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Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst site design drafts feedback thread

2008-06-11 Thread Gabriel Vieira
 Simon Elliott:

 (1) http://www.browsing.co.uk/cat

Maybe better with a brighter background, a better content
distribution, a brighter background where there is Choose your own
ingredient, and a more informative bottom. Would be perfect in my
opinion.


 Mark Keating:

 (2) http://agaton.scsys.co.uk/~matthewt/catsite/cat_mock_web_001.png

The image could be used in the first design, randomly.


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Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst site design drafts feedback thread

2008-06-11 Thread Sebastian Riedel


11.06.2008 22:00 Christopher H. Laco:

Mark Keating:
(2) http://agaton.scsys.co.uk/~matthewt/catsite/cat_mock_web_001.png



The Catalyst logo as a crop circle is a very powerful mental  
moniker. I love that.


Actually the catalyst logo IS a crop circle. :)

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Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst site design drafts feedback thread

2008-06-11 Thread Dave Rolsky

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008, Matt S Trout wrote:


Simon Elliott:

(1) http://www.browsing.co.uk/cat


Overall my favorite. The white text against the bottom of the grey 
gradient starts to fade, but I'm sure that's easily fixed. I wouldn't mind 
making all the non-tab text a little larger, but maybe my eyes are a 
little older than our target audience ;)



Mark Keating:

(2) http://agaton.scsys.co.uk/~matthewt/catsite/cat_mock_web_001.png


The crop circle is great. The colors, particularly in the tabs up top, 
make the text hard to read (not enough contrast). Also, all the fonts seem 
way too small, but maybe that's because this is a screenshot, and it might 
work better in the real version.


It's also a little tough to evaluate, because it's harder to imagine a non 
front page. Presumably we wouldn't want that giant graphic on every page.



Scott Ladzinski:

(3) http://ion0.com/hx/cat/new-version-2-26.jpg


I like the basic idea, I'd like to see it with some real text. It's hard 
to imagine it being better than #1 though.



(4) http://ion0.com/hx/cat/catalystSiteDesign3.jpg


The colors are very jarring (lilac and blue in particular). Too many 
colors, not enough white. Mostly white backgrounds are good ;)



Mike Whitaker:

(5) http://agaton.scsys.co.uk/~matthewt/catsite/catsite-Penfold.pdf


I like the simplicity. It's very similar to #1 though, and I think #1 has 
a bit more panache.



-dave

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Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst site design drafts feedback thread

2008-06-11 Thread Christopher H. Laco

Dave Rolsky wrote:

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008, Matt S Trout wrote:


Simon Elliott:

(1) http://www.browsing.co.uk/cat


Overall my favorite. The white text against the bottom of the grey 
gradient starts to fade, but I'm sure that's easily fixed. I wouldn't 
mind making all the non-tab text a little larger, but maybe my eyes are 
a little older than our target audience ;)




Speaking of gradient... I'd much rather see a footer more like this one:

http://movabletype.org/



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Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst site design drafts feedback thread

2008-06-11 Thread Robert L Cochran

 Simon Elliott:

 (1) http://www.browsing.co.uk/cat

 Mark Keating:

   
Well, I wonder how this one will really look inside a browser window
that has a lot of installed toolbars? The two rows of links at the top
have a toolbarish feel.

 (2) http://agaton.scsys.co.uk/~matthewt/catsite/cat_mock_web_001.png
   
I love the color and the mother-earth-feel, but the links are a little
hard to see and my eyes are old.

 Scott Ladzinski:

 (3) http://ion0.com/hx/cat/new-version-2-26.jpg
   

The links are much easier to see. I'm not sure how I feel about the
strong red header.

 (4) http://ion0.com/hx/cat/catalystSiteDesign3.jpg
   
The links are easier to see, but the theme suggests book advertising.
 Mike Whitaker: 

 (5) http://agaton.scsys.co.uk/~matthewt/catsite/catsite-Penfold.pdf
   
Links are easy to see for old eyes.

I think the person who discussed movabletyp.org's footer has a point
there. I like the larger footer to an extent.


My overall impression: a design that scales well to widescreen flat
panel monitors (like 24-inchers), easy-to-see links and a font size of
at least 14 points get my vote. You know it would be nice to bring up a
site on a widescreen monitor and be able to read it at a distance
without having to move my eyes to the 1-inch-from-the-flat-panel mark.

Bob Cochran


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