Re: [cayugabirds-l] purpose of the list serve.
Personally, I find the debates and discussions about birds and bird conservation among the most interesting postings on this listserv--and in the long run, these issues are very important to our continued ability to enjoy watching birds in this area (or anywhere), so they are quite relevant to the listserv topic. Sandy Podulka At 12:10 PM 1/7/2013, you wrote: I totally agree with Linda that the Cayuga Birds List Serve is not the arena for debates. I thought this site was for bird observations. Dick Clements From: mailto:wingmagi...@gmail.comLinda Orkin Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 11:43 AM To: mailto:m...@cornell.eduMeena Haribal Cc: mailto:cayugabird...@list.cornell.eduCAYUGABIRDS-L Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Birders Hunters on Cayuga Lake Hey All, I would just like to reiterate that I think this subject is very worthy of further discussion with knowledgeable people engaged in the pros and cons of establishing some gun free zones around the lake shore. I do not consider myself to be that knowledgeable person but I see from what has already been offered here that there are many of you out there. The listserv will probably not be the best arena for this, as is already apparent. Passions can run high on a subject like this. As passions can escalate quickly on almost any conservation issue, land use issue, pet freedom issue etc. Can some of us take steps to begin a face to face conversation and see where this might take us? I am not sure if the Conservation Action Committee of the Cayuga Bird Club would be a willing facilitator but I think that might offer at least a venue. Perhaps interested people can communicate privately about next steps? Thanks. Linda Orkin Cayuga Bird Club On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Meena Haribal mailto:m...@cornell.edum...@cornell.edu wrote: Hi all, First of all, after reading John's post, when I suggested that CBC should do something about hunting was not to stop hunting, but to designate some locations on the lake to be free from being hunting locations, so both birders and birds can enjoy some peace. Why is it wrong if birders feel that they love to have some locations free of hunters and hunting? Don't we think we also have same right as hunters who think they would love to hunt in all areas? So come to a compromise! So what is wrong in making some good locations on Cayuga Lake bird and birder friendly? Hunters can share some locations with us for our pleasure! I think number of birders and hunters around Cayuga lake must be very similar if not higher for birders. I think sport hunting is the one which bothers me, if you are hunting for food then it is ok with me, but just for the pleasure of killing something that definitely annoys me. If you are thinking of sports of hunting flying objects, have some artificial targets or may be try some falling leaves or some other similar targets. Sorry for bursting out like this, instead of working on the proposal! Meena From: mailto:bounce-72561577-3493...@list.cornell.edubounce-72561577-3493...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-72561577-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Nari Mistry Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 10:53 AM To: CAYUGABIRDS-L Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Birders Hunters on Cayuga Lake I strongly endorse the wise comments of Jody Enck Ken Rosenberg asking for restraint in advocating for a ban on duck hunting on Cayuga Lake. Birders tend to believe that we are a huge beneficial community that can do no wrong. The reality is that the world looks at us with benign amusement. To set ourselves up as our viewpoint is best for everyone is a mistake. I am just as concerned about gunshots and disturbance of wildlife and humans, but I don't think we can justify a ban. While bird conservation arguments may be useful, it does not appear to me that waterfowl conservation is threatened by hunting on Cayuga Lake, as Ken has pointed out. So the argument becomes just my preference against others'. Pushing for a ban on duck-hunting on the lake can easily be regarded by hunters as the first step in trying to ban hunting in the fields and woods, leading to acrimonious name-calling and the end of any good relationship between birders and land-owners, hunters and real people. A much better course of action would be to have a dialog with duck-hunters clubs and to explain the beneficial need for hunting away from shore and avoiding deliberate disturbance and flushing of birds to gain an advantage. I hope a reasonable course of action is chosen. Nari Mistry -- Nari B. Mistry, Ithaca, NY To see my paintings, visit http://www.ArtbyNari.comhttp://www.ArtbyNari.com -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOMEWelcome and Basics http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsRULESRules and Information http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htmSubscribe, Configuration and
RE: [cayugabirds-l] purpose of the list serve.
Cayugabirds-L - Information and Rules Cayugabirds-L is an email list (the List) focused on the discussion of birds and birding in the Finger Lakes Region, centered on the Cayuga Lake Basin. The primary purpose of the List is to disseminate information about wild bird sightings in and around the Finger Lakes Region in a timely manner and to provide an effective electronic forum for Upstate New York area birders. Questions and limited discussion on topics such as bird behavior, identification, conservation, and distribution, especially as these subjects relate to wild birds in the Finger Lakes Region and the Cayuga Lake Basin, are welcomed and encouraged. The List is not for the discussion of pet birds. From: bounce-72561880-3493...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-72561880-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Sandy Podulka Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 12:30 PM To: CAYUGABIRDS-L Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] purpose of the list serve. Personally, I find the debates and discussions about birds and bird conservation among the most interesting postings on this listserv--and in the long run, these issues are very important to our continued ability to enjoy watching birds in this area (or anywhere), so they are quite relevant to the listserv topic. Sandy Podulka At 12:10 PM 1/7/2013, you wrote: I totally agree with Linda that the Cayuga Birds List Serve is not the arena for debates. I thought this site was for bird observations. Dick Clements From: Linda Orkinmailto:wingmagi...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 11:43 AM To: Meena Haribalmailto:m...@cornell.edu Cc: CAYUGABIRDS-Lmailto:cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Birders Hunters on Cayuga Lake Hey All, I would just like to reiterate that I think this subject is very worthy of further discussion with knowledgeable people engaged in the pros and cons of establishing some gun free zones around the lake shore. I do not consider myself to be that knowledgeable person but I see from what has already been offered here that there are many of you out there. The listserv will probably not be the best arena for this, as is already apparent. Passions can run high on a subject like this. As passions can escalate quickly on almost any conservation issue, land use issue, pet freedom issue etc. Can some of us take steps to begin a face to face conversation and see where this might take us? I am not sure if the Conservation Action Committee of the Cayuga Bird Club would be a willing facilitator but I think that might offer at least a venue. Perhaps interested people can communicate privately about next steps? Thanks. Linda Orkin Cayuga Bird Club On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Meena Haribal m...@cornell.edumailto:m...@cornell.edu wrote: Hi all, First of all, after reading John?s post, when I suggested that CBC should do something about hunting was not to stop hunting, but to designate some locations on the lake to be free from being hunting locations, so both birders and birds can enjoy some peace. Why is it wrong if birders feel that they love to have some locations free of hunters and hunting? Don?t we think we also have same right as hunters who think they would love to hunt in all areas? So come to a compromise! So what is wrong in making some good locations on Cayuga Lake bird and birder friendly? Hunters can share some locations with us for our pleasure! I think number of birders and hunters around Cayuga lake must be very similar if not higher for birders. I think sport hunting is the one which bothers me, if you are hunting for food then it is ok with me, but just for the pleasure of killing something that definitely annoys me. If you are thinking of sports of hunting flying objects, have some artificial targets or may be try some falling leaves or some other similar targets. Sorry for bursting out like this, instead of working on the proposal! Meena From: bounce-72561577-3493...@list.cornell.edumailto:bounce-72561577-3493...@list.cornell.edu [ mailto:bounce-72561577-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Nari Mistry Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 10:53 AM To: CAYUGABIRDS-L Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Birders Hunters on Cayuga Lake I strongly endorse the wise comments of Jody Enck Ken Rosenberg asking for restraint in advocating for a ban on duck hunting on Cayuga Lake. Birders tend to believe that we are a huge beneficial community that can do no wrong. The reality is that the world looks at us with benign amusement. To set ourselves up as our viewpoint is best for everyone is a mistake. I am just as concerned about gunshots and disturbance of wildlife and humans, but I don't think we can justify a ban. While bird conservation arguments may be useful, it does not appear to me that waterfowl conservation is threatened by hunting on Cayuga Lake, as Ken
Re: [cayugabirds-l] purpose of the list serve.
Interestingly, nowhere in the information and rules does it explicitly allow discussion of the information and rules. I propose that this branch of this thread be disbanded immediately. :-) On Jan 7, 2013, at 12:46 PM, Linda Orkin wingmagi...@gmail.commailto:wingmagi...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, and I agree with Meena and Sandy, I find myself wonderfully informed by posts on these topics, I am only suggesting that discussion should lead to something. I am sorry if I led anyone to believe that I don't think this subject was appropriate, especially as a catalyst. I look forward to reading any further information and opinion but I also hope that those people who offer comment will be able to participate in action. Linda Orkin On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Meena Haribal m...@cornell.edumailto:m...@cornell.edu wrote: Cayugabirds-L – Information and Rules Cayugabirds-L is an email list (the List) focused on the discussion of birds and birding in the Finger Lakes Region, centered on the Cayuga Lake Basin. The primary purpose of the List is to disseminate information about wild bird sightings in and around the Finger Lakes Region in a timely manner and to provide an effective electronic forum for Upstate New York area birders. Questions and limited discussion on topics such as bird behavior, identification, conservation, and distribution, especially as these subjects relate to wild birds in the Finger Lakes Region and the Cayuga Lake Basin, are welcomed and encouraged. The List is not for the discussion of pet birds. From: bounce-72561880-3493...@list.cornell.edumailto:bounce-72561880-3493...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-72561880-3493...@list.cornell.edumailto:bounce-72561880-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Sandy Podulka Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 12:30 PM To: CAYUGABIRDS-L Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] purpose of the list serve. Personally, I find the debates and discussions about birds and bird conservation among the most interesting postings on this listserv--and in the long run, these issues are very important to our continued ability to enjoy watching birds in this area (or anywhere), so they are quite relevant to the listserv topic. Sandy Podulka At 12:10 PM 1/7/2013, you wrote: I totally agree with Linda that the Cayuga Birds List Serve is not the arena for debates. I thought this site was for bird observations. Dick Clements From: Linda Orkinmailto:wingmagi...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 11:43 AM To: Meena Haribalmailto:m...@cornell.edu Cc: CAYUGABIRDS-Lmailto:cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Birders Hunters on Cayuga Lake Hey All, I would just like to reiterate that I think this subject is very worthy of further discussion with knowledgeable people engaged in the pros and cons of establishing some gun free zones around the lake shore. I do not consider myself to be that knowledgeable person but I see from what has already been offered here that there are many of you out there. The listserv will probably not be the best arena for this, as is already apparent. Passions can run high on a subject like this. As passions can escalate quickly on almost any conservation issue, land use issue, pet freedom issue etc. Can some of us take steps to begin a face to face conversation and see where this might take us? I am not sure if the Conservation Action Committee of the Cayuga Bird Club would be a willing facilitator but I think that might offer at least a venue. Perhaps interested people can communicate privately about next steps? Thanks. Linda Orkin Cayuga Bird Club On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Meena Haribal m...@cornell.edumailto:m...@cornell.edu wrote: Hi all, First of all, after reading John?s post, when I suggested that CBC should do something about hunting was not to stop hunting, but to designate some locations on the lake to be free from being hunting locations, so both birders and birds can enjoy some peace. Why is it wrong if birders feel that they love to have some locations free of hunters and hunting? Don?t we think we also have same right as hunters who think they would love to hunt in all areas? So come to a compromise! So what is wrong in making some good locations on Cayuga Lake bird and birder friendly? Hunters can share some locations with us for our pleasure! I think number of birders and hunters around Cayuga lake must be very similar if not higher for birders. I think sport hunting is the one which bothers me, if you are hunting for food then it is ok with me, but just for the pleasure of killing something that definitely annoys me. If you are thinking of sports of hunting flying objects, have some artificial targets or may be try some falling leaves or some other similar targets. Sorry for bursting out like this, instead of working on the proposal
