Personally, I find the debates and discussions about birds and bird conservation among the most interesting postings on this listserv--and in the long run, these issues are very important to our continued ability to enjoy watching birds in this area (or anywhere), so they are quite relevant to the listserv topic.
Sandy Podulka At 12:10 PM 1/7/2013, you wrote: >I totally agree with Linda that the Cayuga Birds List Serve is not >the arena for debates. I thought this site was for bird observations. > > >Dick Clements > > > > >From: <mailto:wingmagi...@gmail.com>Linda Orkin >Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 11:43 AM >To: <mailto:m...@cornell.edu>Meena Haribal >Cc: <mailto:cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu>CAYUGABIRDS-L >Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Birders & Hunters on Cayuga Lake > >Hey All, > >I would just like to reiterate that I think this subject is very >worthy of further discussion with knowledgeable people engaged in >the pros and cons of establishing some gun free zones around the >lake shore. I do not consider myself to be that knowledgeable person >but I see from what has already been offered here that there are >many of you out there. > >The listserv will probably not be the best arena for this, as is >already apparent. Passions can run high on a subject like this. As >passions can escalate quickly on almost any conservation issue, land >use issue, pet freedom issue etc. > >Can some of us take steps to begin a face to face conversation and >see where this might take us? I am not sure if the Conservation >Action Committee of the Cayuga Bird Club would be a willing >facilitator but I think that might offer at least a venue. > >Perhaps interested people can communicate privately about next steps? > >Thanks. > >Linda Orkin >Cayuga Bird Club > > > >On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Meena Haribal ><<mailto:m...@cornell.edu>m...@cornell.edu> wrote: > >Hi all, > > > >First of all, after reading John's post, when I suggested that CBC >should do something about hunting was not to stop hunting, but to >designate some locations on the lake to be free from being hunting >locations, so both birders and birds can enjoy some peace. > > > >Why is it wrong if birders feel that they love to have some >locations free of hunters and hunting? Don't we think we also have >same right as hunters who think they would love to hunt in all >areas? So come to a compromise! > > > >So what is wrong in making some good locations on Cayuga Lake bird >and birder friendly? > > > >Hunters can share some locations with us for our pleasure! I think >number of birders and hunters around Cayuga lake must be very >similar if not higher for birders. > > > >I think sport hunting is the one which bothers me, if you are >hunting for food then it is ok with me, but just for the pleasure of >killing something that definitely annoys me. If you are thinking of >sports of hunting flying objects, have some artificial targets or >may be try some falling leaves or some other similar targets. > > > >Sorry for bursting out like this, instead of working on the proposal! > > > >Meena > > > > > > > > > >From: ><mailto:bounce-72561577-3493...@list.cornell.edu>bounce-72561577-3493...@list.cornell.edu > >[mailto:bounce-72561577-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Nari Mistry >Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 10:53 AM >To: CAYUGABIRDS-L >Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Birders & Hunters on Cayuga Lake > > > >I strongly endorse the wise comments of Jody Enck & Ken Rosenberg >asking for restraint in advocating for a ban on duck hunting on Cayuga Lake. >Birders tend to believe that we are a huge beneficial community that >can do no wrong. The reality is that the world looks at us with >benign amusement. To set ourselves up as "our viewpoint is best for >everyone" is a mistake. I am just as concerned about gunshots and >disturbance of wildlife and humans, but I don't think we can justify a ban. >While bird conservation arguments may be useful, it does not appear >to me that waterfowl conservation is threatened by hunting on Cayuga >Lake, as Ken has pointed out. So the argument becomes just "my >preference against others'." >Pushing for a ban on duck-hunting on the lake can easily be regarded >by hunters as the first step in trying to ban hunting in the fields >and woods, leading to acrimonious name-calling and the end of any >good relationship between birders and land-owners, hunters and "real" people. >A much better course of action would be to have a dialog with >duck-hunters clubs and to explain the beneficial need for hunting >away from shore and avoiding deliberate disturbance and flushing of >birds to gain an advantage. >I hope a reasonable course of action is chosen. >Nari Mistry > >-- >Nari B. 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