Re: [ccp4bb] Translational NCS and molecular replacement.

2014-07-17 Thread Eleanor Dodson
No need to reindex - just do this to change the space group in the scala
header.
mtzutils hklin1 scala.mtz hklout scala-P22121.mtz
symm P22121
end

There are other ways of course..
Eleanor



On 16 July 2014 13:28, Vajdos, Felix  wrote:

>  Dear Sudipta—
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> Herman is correct, you just need to reindex your scala.mtz file to the
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> Regarding translational NCS, it has been many years since I’ve dealt with
> this, but it is my impression that modern refinement methods treat this
> much better, especially with maximum likelihood targets, as the low(er)
> intensity reflections will have systematically lower sig/noise than the
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> *From:* CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] *On Behalf Of *
> herman.schreu...@sanofi.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 16, 2014 3:08 AM
> *To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> *Subject:* [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Translational NCS and molecular
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> Dear Sudipta,
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> you are correct, your original scala.mtz has the wrong space group in it,
> resulting in very high Rfactors (and presumably bad electron density).
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> In these cases, I usually reprocess (remerge) the data in the correct
> space group to get the statistics right (and gain probably a few extra h00
> reflections that got rejected in P212121). If you use the same a, b and c
> axes as before, you do not need to rerun Phaser, otherwise you have to.
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> If you have translational NCS, you have to live with it. The only way to
> get rid of it is to find another crystal with a different crystal packing.
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> Herman
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> *Von:* CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> ] *Im Auftrag von *Sudipta Bhattacharyya
> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 15. Juli 2014 20:32
> *An:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> *Betreff:* [ccp4bb] Translational NCS and molecular replacement.
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> Dear Community,
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> I have some doubts to clarify. In a way to solve a structure by Phaser-MR,
> I found phaser ended up with a potentially good MR solution (with good
> statistics, packing and electron density, and as we know the homolog
> structure so in a reasonable biological assembly also). However, the space
> group where phaser found the potential solution (P22121) is different what
> we got in pointless (P212121), and phaser also indicated the presence of
> translational NCS (NCS translation vector = 0.500, 0.494 0.391). Now when
> we try to refine the structure with its original scala.mtz file (which is
> indexed and sclaled in P212121) and phaser generated pdb file, the R/Rfree
> is very high (around 0.5) but when I tried refining with mtz file generated
> by phaser, it was reasonable, at least for first cycle of refinement
> (R/Rfree, 0.41/0.46). Now my question is, can I use the phaser generated
> mtz file instead of the original scala.mtz for further refinement? Or I
> have to reindex my original data into phaser suggested spacegroup and run
> the MR again? Translational NCS are generally associated with high R
> values, is there any way to get rid of that problem?
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[ccp4bb] dtrek2scala

2014-07-17 Thread Ian Tickle
Does anyone have experience using the dtrek2scala program?  According to
the documentation the reflexions should by default be batched by the
oscillation range read from the dtintegrate.head file but what it has
actually done is put all the reflexions in the same batch (#33, despite
setting 'BATCH 1').  It would appear that this has resulted in aimless
failing with "ERROR in ScaleModel: run 1 has insufficent information for
smooth scaling".  Also the output MTZ file from dtrek2scala has all zeros
in the ROT column and the aimless doc says "The scale factor is a function
of the primary beam direction, either as a smooth function of Phi (the
rotation angle ROT), or expressed as BATCH (image) number
(__deprecated__)." (my emphasis).

Any pointers to the correct operation of dtrek2scala greatly appreciated!

Cheers

-- Ian


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