Re: [ccp4bb] shelx HKLF4 to mtz conversion?

2007-07-10 Thread Tim Grune
You can use f2mtz with the format identifier to convert the file:
8 snip- script start --
#/bin/bash
f2mtz hklin yourshelxfile.hkl hklout yourmtzfile.mtz  eof
cellyou cell dimensions
symm your space group
format '(3F4.0,2F8.2,F4.0)'
ctypout H H H J Q R
LABOUT H K L Intensity stddevIntensity freeR
end
eof
---script end ---snap 8

The important bits are the format line and the ctypout line, and you have to 
add your cell and symmetry.

That can probably even be done through the gui, but a script is simpler (to 
me, anyway).

Hope this helps, Tim

On Wednesday 11 July 2007 09:29, Leonard Thomas wrote:
 I have a Shelx HKLF4 formated reflection file that I would like to
 convert to a mtz file.  The primary reason is to transfer the freeR
 set.  I found a couple of convoluted ways of converting the
 reflection data, but no real way of getting the freeR set to transfer.

 Any suggestions?

 Cheers


 Leonard M. Thomas Ph.D.
 Director, Macromolecular Crystallography Laboratory
 Howard Hughes Medical Institute
 California Institute of Technology
 Division of Biology
 1200 E. California Blvd.  MC 114-96
 Pasadena, CA 91125
 626-395-2453
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://www.br.caltech.edu/cmclab

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Re: [ccp4bb] Help with reducing crystal mosaicity

2007-07-09 Thread Tim Grune
On Tuesday 10 July 2007 09:16, Mary Fitzgerald wrote:
 If that doesn't work maybe, I'll try seeding at lower MPD
 concentrations or pressure freezing.

 Thanks again,
 Mary

With such a high MPD condition I would probably first try micro-seeding at 
25-35% MPD before doing anything else. It sounds like a very good candidate.
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Re: [ccp4bb] The CCP4 license is ambiguous

2007-07-05 Thread Tim Grune
To me it seems that clause 2.1.1 of the CCP4 academic license says that one 
can distribute work derived from or using the CCP4 libraries provided that it 
complies with clause 2.1.2
The last sentence in clause 2.1.2 says it itself becomes void if the derived 
work is distributed under the GPL or LGPL. Doesn't that mean that the CCP4 
academic license does NOT impose any restrictions at all for work distributed 
under the LGPL or GPL, because anything that might restrict it is void?

Tim


On Wednesday 04 July 2007 18:49, Kevin Cowtan wrote:
 I was speaking imprecisely. I will try again.

 You cannot create a derived work containing both CCP4 6.* licensed code
 and GPL'd code, and distribute the resulting program, since the GPL
 demands that the derived work be distributed without additional
 restirctions and the CCP4 6.* license imposes additional restrictions on
 redistribution - in particular (but not limited to) an indemnity clause.

 Ethan A Merritt wrote:
  On Tuesday 03 July 2007 06:55, Kevin Cowtan wrote:
  I'm afraid there is no ambiguity. You can't use the CCP4 version 6.*
  libraries in GPL software.
 
  This sounds strange to me.
  The question is usually raised in the other direction - whether GPL
  libraries can be used by a non-GPL program [*].
 
  Here you are saying that a GPL program cannot use non-GPL libraries.
  I believe this is false.  To take an obvious example, consider GPL
  software running on Windows and calling into the system libraries.
  Do you think that Cygwin has been in violation of the GPL all these
  years?
 
  Or perhaps I misunderstand.  Are you saying that the current CCP4
  license does not permit combination with non-CCP4 code?

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Re: [ccp4bb] compiling problems ccp4-6.0.2 and gcc-4.1.2

2007-06-28 Thread Tim Grune
Hi,

according to this page 
(http://www.xastir.org/wiki/index.php/HowTo:Ubuntu_6.10) the problem arises 
due to a wrong ld option ('ld -shared' rather than 'gcc -shared'). How did 
you run configure ? Are you trying to build shared libraries?

ccp4 works fine with Debian lenny, gcc-4.1.2 with just running 
  FC=g77 F77=g77 ./configure linux
(you should use g77 rather than gfortran. The programs compile but do not work 
properly, especially with mosflm in Harry Powell's experience).

Tim

On Thursday 28 June 2007 20:32, Miguel Ortiz-Lombardía wrote:
 Dear all,

 Has anyone succeeded at compiling the latest release of CCP4 with gcc-4.1.2
 This is the compiler version in Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)

 At the very beginning (ccif lib compilation), I get this error:

 /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: Nonrepresentable section on output

 I looked around and found that:

 export CC=gcc -fno-stack-protector

 might help. It did help, and the compilation proceeded... to the program
 solomon, where I get again:

 eval gcc -fno-stack-protector ${pdbhtf_FLAGS--O -DGFORTRAN -DPROTOTYPE
 -fPIC} -o pdbhtf pdbhtf.o -Wl,-rpath,/home/miguel/Desktop/ccp4-build/ccp4-
 6.0.2/lib -lm  rm -f pdbhtf.o
 /home/miguel/Desktop/ccp4-build/ccp4-6.0.2/src/solomon_/cmap_io.c: In
 function 'WriteMap':
 /home/miguel/Desktop/ccp4-build/ccp4-6.0.2/src/solomon_/cmap_io.c:356:
 warning: passing arg 3 of 'mat4_to_symop'  from incompatible pointer
 /usr/bin/ld: solomon: hidden symbol `__stack_chk_fail_local' in
 /usr/lib/libc_nonshared.a(stack_chk_fail_local.oS) is referenced by DSO
 /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: Nonrepresentable section on output

 Any clues anyone?
 Thanks a lot!



 Miguel

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Re: [ccp4bb] mac pro configuration for crystallographic computing

2007-06-21 Thread Tim Grune
I should apology for  my  unqualified  remark (initiated by a personal note 
to me). I  do appreciate and like grasp.
From my experience, though, the appearance of an electrostatic surface 
representation is so much dependent on the parameters, on the input PDB-file 
(presence of ligands, waters, several copies), that I suppose many of the 
calculations could be replaced by a surface with a colour scheme based on 
acidic or basic residues without loss of information - I have met too many 
people who use software just as they would use Windows instead of 
understanding what they are really trying to do, and as soon as they see 
what they want to see the make a screen shot (not excluding me here).

cheers, Tim 


-Original Message-

From: Tim Grune [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK

Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:26:54 +1000

Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] mac pro configuration for crystallographic computing




On Thursday 21 June 2007 06:50, Juergen Bosch wrote:

 I don't have one of those beast in my hands unfortunately. But I can

 verify that all except of HKL2000 (which I don't use, so I don't

 care/bother to check if there is an OS X version there) of the programs

 you mentioned run without any troubles.

 There's one more program I know that has not been ported to OS X and

 that is Grasp but there are other options to draw nice electrostatics.

Grasp2 runs nicely in a Windows XP installation within Virtualbox under 
Linux. 

Since Virtualbox is also available for Mac (even though only as 

beta1-Version) one might get it to run under MacOSX

And I think one can run Windows within MacOSX  anyhow?





(even though in my opinion one might as well use the gimp to paint your 

protein red-blue and still have about the same information content, but 

that's only my very personal opinion).



Tim



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Re: [ccp4bb] mac pro configuration for crystallographic computing

2007-06-20 Thread Tim Grune
On Thursday 21 June 2007 06:50, Juergen Bosch wrote:
 I don't have one of those beast in my hands unfortunately. But I can
 verify that all except of HKL2000 (which I don't use, so I don't
 care/bother to check if there is an OS X version there) of the programs
 you mentioned run without any troubles.
 There's one more program I know that has not been ported to OS X and
 that is Grasp but there are other options to draw nice electrostatics.
Grasp2 runs nicely in a Windows XP installation within Virtualbox under Linux. 
Since Virtualbox is also available for Mac (even though only as 
beta1-Version) one might get it to run under MacOSX
And I think one can run Windows within MacOSX  anyhow?


(even though in my opinion one might as well use the gimp to paint your 
protein red-blue and still have about the same information content, but 
that's only my very personal opinion).

Tim

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Re: [ccp4bb] problems with phaser for MR

2007-06-09 Thread Tim Grune
Hi,
this looks very familiar to me. I am pretty certain you have phenix 
installed, too, and ccp4i does use the phenix version of phaser, which shows 
this behaviour.
You can test this by typing 'which phaser' from the command line.

You should make sure that $CBIN comes before the phenix path, e.g. by 
starting ccp4i with
export PATH=$CBIN:$PATH
ccp4i 

Tim


-Original Message-

From: Ed Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK

Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 19:17:21 -0400

Subject: [ccp4bb] problems with phaser for MR




Dear All, 

I can't seem to read my mtz files with 'PHASER for MR' in version

ccp4i 6.0.2 running on either a linux or irix system. I can read the mtz

files with virtually every other CCP4 subroutine. Any ideas/suggestions?



The error I get in the log file is 





*



*** Phaser Module: READ MR DATA FROM MTZ FILE

1.3.1 ***





*





FATAL RUNTIME ERROR: Cannot open MTZ file:



/home/elias/mergedata/p4/ccp4/sort_p4.mtz









EXIT STATUS: FAILURE


Re: [ccp4bb] COOT (version 0.2, Jan 2007) and .FCF file

2007-06-07 Thread Tim Grune
On Thursday 07 June 2007 15:39, U Sam wrote:
 /usr/bin/awk
Coot uses awk to parse the fcf file, and it assumes the binary is 
at /usr/bin/awk. Unfortunately on CentOS, awk is at /usr/bin/awk

If you have root access to this computer, you can set a link from /bin/awk 
to /usr/bin/awk, even though this is not a neat nor proper solution.

Or wait until Paul tells you from which file awk is called and change the path 
from /usr/bin/awk to /bin/awk. This is definitely the better solution.

Finally chances are that coot uses an environment variable to call coot. 
Again, wait until Paul tells you its name then set it from /usr/bin/awk 
to /bin/awk and things should work.

Tim

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Re: [ccp4bb] Delphi question

2007-05-30 Thread Tim Grune
Hello Ibrahim,

from the name of the library I would guess it belongs to the IBM compiler. 
Since you probably don't want to install it only to run Delphi (because it 
costs quite a bit), you would have to contact the authors of Delphi to 
recompile their program. 

Many compilers come with a switch to make the binary independent of the actual 
compiler libraries, and even though I don't have access to the IBM compilers 
I guess that this is possible for those, too.

Tim



On Thursday 31 May 2007 08:22, Ibrahim M. Moustafa wrote:
 Hi All,

 I'm trying to install Delphi on the MacOS PPC. The distributed
 package has a delphiMacOSX.

However, when trying to run the program I get the error:

dyld: Library not loaded: /opt/ibmcmp/lib/libxlomp_ser.dylib
   Reasong: Image not found

Obviously, I'm missing something here as the directory
 /opt/ibmcp/lib does not exist!!

The makefile does not have any indication for that directory! I
 have no idea why I see this error and how to remove it!

I'd be appreciated if anyone has an experience in installing
 Delphi on the MacOS would guide me through the installation.

 P.S. Hope this non-ccp4 question does not bother you guys!

thanks,
   Ibrahim


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Re: [ccp4bb] Refmac5 restrained refinement could not keep the changes made in Turbo

2007-05-17 Thread Tim Grune
Hi,

at 1.2A resolution, you can probably go higher than 2 with the weighting term, 
especially at the end of your refinement, when the model is near 
completeness. You can try 'weight auto' to let refmac5 figure out the correct 
weight (you have to use 'RunView Com file' to edit the script manually to do 
this).

A large value for the weighting term means that the crystallographic data are 
weighted more strongly than the geometric restraints, hence you probably want 
to increase rather than decrease that value.

Tim

On Friday 18 May 2007 11:13, XJ XJ wrote:
 Dear all,
 I am having a problem with refining my structure using
 refmac5.  Basically, I am trying to make some small
 changes to several places on the backbone. But the
 thing is that, after restrained refinement, the
 changes I made would be all gone and the chain stayed
 exactly where they were before I made those changes.
 I'm using Turbo for building the model.  The
 resolution I'm working on now is 1.2 A.
 The refmac was working fine when I was working at a
 lower resolution (2 A) and I was able to rebuild a
 whole helix and refine successfully with refmac.
 Right now, I am still able to change rotamers of
 single residues and refmac will keep these type of
 changes for me.  It is only when changes are made on
 the backbones that refmac will refine the structure
 back to what it was before the changes were made.
 Other than refining to highest resolution 1.2 A, I'm
 pretty much using all the default parameters from the
 restrained refinement, except that, under Geometric
 parameters, I changed all the overall wt restraints
 from 1.0 to 2.0.  Weighing term has been varied from
 0.3 to 0.5 and no difference was made.
 I guess it's probably some small mistakes I made while
 running the refmac, but I can't figure out what it is.
  Can anyone help me out real quick?  Thanks!
 Regards,
 Xiaofei



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Re: [ccp4bb] MolRep with Phaser using a partial existing solution

2007-05-17 Thread Tim Grune
Hello,

you could try to let phaser search for the first fragment, too. That way it 
should produce a file ending with '.sol' which you can pass to phaser for the 
second search (bottom at the ccp4-gui, Define search sets...).

Otherwise, if you do not want to move the first fragment, both the Euler 
angles and the translation should be 0 0 0.

Tim

On Friday 18 May 2007 11:24, Jay Thompson wrote:
 Hi,

 I have a question with molecular replacement using Phaser.  I'm trying to
 solve a complex and I have a partial molecular replacement solution solved
 using another program.  This solution is correct and makes up ~50% of the
 entire complex.  I wanted to fix this solution and search for another small
 fragment of the complex using Phaser.  I've been reading the Phaser manual
 and it seems that I cannot input a pdb with this partial solution and tell
 the program to fix this molecule.  It seems that fixed solutions can be
 only input by putting in its Euler angles and fractional coordinate
 translations.  Is this correct that I cannot input a pdb and fix it?  If I
 cannot do this, then is there a quick way to identify the euler angles and
 coordinate translations for Phaser.

 Thanks a lot!!

 Jay

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Re: [ccp4bb] MolRep with Phaser using a partial existing solution

2007-05-17 Thread Tim Grune
Hi,

what resolution range do you use? You can try reducing it a little. 
How big is your cell?
Tim

On Friday 18 May 2007 13:46, Jay Thompson wrote:
 Hi,

 Thanks for the suggestions and quick reply.  Suggestions work great!

 But I have another problem and looking back at the ccp4bb, I see that
 Elenor had a similar problem late last year.  The error message is as
 follows:


 BFONT COLOR=#FF8800
 --
 OUT OF MEMORY ERROR: St9bad_alloc
 --
 /FONT/B

 !--SUMMARY_END--
 
 EXIT STATUS: FAILURE
 

 CPU Time: 0 days 0 hrs 19 mins 53.80 secs (1193.80 secs)
 Finished: Thu May 17 20:28:14 2007

 /pre
 /html

 The only suggestion from the ccp4bb threads that I could see was to try
 running it on a different computer with more memory.  I've tried running
 the job on two different Mac G5 and I get the same error message.  The
 computers that I have are pretty new and have 2 GB of SDRAM.  I'm surprised
 that I have a memory problem.  I'm also using the Phaser 1.3.3 (I'm
 assuming this is the latest version).  Thanks for all your help, in
 advance.

 Jay

 On 5/17/07, Jay Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I have a question with molecular replacement using Phaser.  I'm trying to
  solve a complex and I have a partial molecular replacement solution
  solved using another program.  This solution is correct and makes up ~50%
  of the entire complex.  I wanted to fix this solution and search for
  another small fragment of the complex using Phaser.  I've been reading
  the Phaser manual and it seems that I cannot input a pdb with this
  partial solution and tell the program to fix this molecule.  It seems
  that fixed solutions can be only input by putting in its Euler angles and
  fractional coordinate
  translations.  Is this correct that I cannot input a pdb and fix it?  If
  I cannot do this, then is there a quick way to identify the euler angles
  and coordinate translations for Phaser.
 
  Thanks a lot!!
 
  Jay

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Re: [ccp4bb] ccp4mg can't start

2007-05-16 Thread Tim Grune
Hi Yanming,

it looks like ccp4mg looks for python in a specific path within the ccp4mg.
Edit the script ccp4mg (you find out where it is with 'which ccp4mg'). Look 
at the very end of that file
for where python is called (probably with some arguments). Make sure it says 
only 'python', not anything like 
'/usr/local/ccp4/ccp4mg-0.12.1/bin/..//pythondist/bin/python'. Then ccp4mg 
will use the python of your system. This works for me and ccp4mg does not 
need its own python installation.

Maybe the ccp4mg-developers may want to comment on whether this is a bad 
idea and may have a negative influence on ccp4mg's performance?
Tim

-Original Message-

From: Yanming Zhang [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Tim Grune [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 01:47:08 -0400 (EDT)

Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] ccp4mg can't start




Dear Tim,

Thanks for your help. python 2.4.2 is the version. Following is the output 

of ccp4mg -dbx:

GNU gdb Red Hat Linux (6.3.0.0-1.132.EL4rh)

Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc.

GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you 

are

welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain 

conditions.

Type show copying to see the conditions.

There is absolutely no warranty for GDB.  Type show warranty for 

details.

This GDB was configured as 

i386-redhat-linux-gnu.../usr/local/ccp4/ccp4mg-0.12.1/bin/..//pythondist/bin/python:
 


No such file or directory.



(gdb) Starting program: 

/usr/local/ccp4/ccp4mg-0.12.1/bin/..//python/ui/ui.py -debug opengl 

command

No executable file specified.

Use the file or exec-file command.

(gdb) No stack.

(gdb) No symbol table is loaded.  Use the file command



Any suggestion?

Thanks





On Wed, 16 May 2007, Tim Grune wrote:



 Hi Yanming,



 which version of python is running on your system(python -V)? Maybe it is 
too

 old?

 Otherwise, does 'ccp4mg -dbx' produce any more output?



 On Wednesday 16 May 2007 11:20, you wrote:

 Dear Tim,

 I checked the two files, Both are empty.

 Linux distribution: 2.6.9-42.ELsm



 Thanks

 Yanming



 On Wed, 16 May 2007, Tim Grune wrote:

 Could you send the contents of the files

/home/yzhang/.CCP4MG/ccp4mg_stdout.txt

 and

/home/yzhang/.CCP4MG/ccp4mg_stderr.txt

 What Linux distribution are you using?



 Tim



 On Wednesday 16 May 2007 10:31, Yanming Zhang wrote:

 Dear All,

 lately I have a fantacy toward  ccp4mg. But either from

 ccp4i or typing 'ccp4mg' directly from the prompt(Linux),

 I got  the following error message:



 Loading fonts..

 ...DONE

 Starting graphics thread..

 ...DONE

 Parsing command line..

 ...DONE

 Redirecting output to  /home/yzhang/.CCP4MG/ccp4mg_stdout.txt

 Redirecting errors to  /home/yzhang/.CCP4MG/ccp4mg_stderr.txt

 Started at  Fri May 16 09:16:59 2003

 /usr/local/ccp4/ccp4mg-0.12.1/bin/ccp4mg: line 281: 10773 Killed

 python $CCP4_MG/python/ui/ui.py $*



 Any quick remedy?

 Thanks

 Yanming



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Re: [ccp4bb] crystallographic magic

2007-05-15 Thread Tim Grune
The 'magic' file is the database the unix command 'file' uses to determine 
different fileformats. It is plain text and jsut describes the first couple 
of bytes of each file which are supposed to be enough to determine what type 
of file it is (e.g., a PNG-image, or an MTZ-file, or a CNS-map).

;-)

On Tuesday 15 May 2007 15:36, you wrote:
 uhhh?

 2007/5/14, Tim Grune [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Hi,
 
  I just found out that my magic file contains a large section with respect
  to crystallographic file formats. I was pretty impressed. According to
  the header it is attributed to Joe Krahn. Full ACK to him!
 
  Tim
 
 
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[ccp4bb] crystallographic magic

2007-05-14 Thread Tim Grune
Hi,

I just found out that my magic file contains a large section with respect to 
crystallographic file formats. I was pretty impressed. According to the 
header it is attributed to Joe Krahn. Full ACK to him!

Tim


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Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 GUI

2007-05-10 Thread Tim Grune
As long as I have been using the ccp4i (which has been a couple of years 
now), this magic button has been there, and it has even been in the 'lower 
left corner': When you hold your mouse button on the Run button, a submenu 
appears, the second item of which is saying RunView com file. This opens 
an editable window with the script used to run the ccp4-program.

This, by the way, is very handy for setting the matrix weight in Refmac5 to 
'auto', as recommended by the authors of ARP/wARP.

Tim


-Original Message-

From: Roger Rowlett [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK

Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 10:44:13 -0400

Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 GUI




I think a tweak script button or option (before running) would be an 
excellent idea.



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-Original Message-

From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Juergen Bosch

Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 10:40 AM

To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK

Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 GUI





Hi Martyn,



how about option c:



in each gui window at the lower left corner have a button called 

Display script, or call it Expert Mode if people feel better as 

Experts :-) , before running of course. Then people who would like to 

edit their stuff could do so before running the script. I think it would 

be scary to many if the Expert Mode actually would display all other 

options available for that particular program - for this you have the RTFM*



I tend to use the GUI only for standard stuff and keep migrating my 

scripts from directories to directories, which if you run a search on 

say e.g. refmac. spits out a ton of handcrafted scripts for each 

project - maybe also not the best thing to do, but that's how it is.



Juergen



* Fine of course, what else !



Martyn Winn wrote:



This is timely. We're in the process of a) trying to organise a major 

effort to tidy up the existing ccp4i classic (rather than fire-fighting 

problems), and b) thinking about designing the next generation. Not 

sure which this is. Option b) would be a project over several years.



Can you elucidate further. As an expert user, would you want a less 

scary free text box (which is essentially what RunView Com File is), 

or actual widgets for every option. The latter could be done as a 

hidden folder, made visible according to an Expert switch in 

Preferences.



As developers, we also have to think about long-term maintainability. 

Options, in particular little-used options, can soon become 

out-of-date.



m





On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 12:41 +0200, Miguel Ortiz Lombardia wrote:

  



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Dear all,



I'm a well-known luddite as Eleanor says. However, I shamelessly 

confess that the CCP4 GUI is great. Not that I think this is necessary 

here, I'm sure most people agree with that.



If I write now is because Martynn's e-mail have reminded me of 

something I thought once, but forgot to ask for to the ccp4i 

developpers: perhaps the GUI could have two faces/modes, a basic one 

and an expert/advanced one. I understand that they already exist, but 

the expert one is hidden under the RunView Com File, while I'm 

thinking on a real expert GUI-mode. Users should be able to choose one 

or the other in their defaults, or switch from one to the other 

on-the-fly.



I don't have a particular problem in editing the scripts as it is done 

now, but I have found that students tend to get a bit nervous about 

doing it themselves ;-)



Cheers,





Miguel



Martyn Winn escribió:





The level of detail in the GUI is a matter of constant debate. The 

underlying programs are far far richer, so the question is how much 

to expose in the GUI. We try to get a balance between ease-of-use and 

coverage, but it won't always work. BTW I don't think we ever claimed 

that ccp4i (or anything else in ccp4) is finished ;-)



Having said that, we're always happy to hear about specific defects 

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information as possible, in particular knowing the context is always 

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Re: [ccp4bb] can truncate import Rfree?

2007-05-03 Thread Tim Grune
Hello Ian,

that feature also does not seem to having it made into the GUI either. From 
the truncate code it looks like the corresponding LABIN flag is 
''FreeR_flag'. Is this correct?

To the others: Thank you for the comments. It's good to know that 'cad' is 
the program to use, I  think, though, that this method is very error prone 
and  unexperienced users might easily screw up their Rfree-flags.

Cheers, Tim


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From: Ian Tickle [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK

Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 09:47:36 +0100

Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] can truncate import Rfree?




Hi, the distributed version of truncate (from v 6.0 I think) has an

option to assign label FreeR_flag on input  copy to output, this is an

option I added because we needed it here.  Unfortunately the relevant

info doesn't seem to have made it to the man page, sorry about that.



Cheers



-- Ian



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 Subject: can truncate import Rfree?

 

 Hello,

 

 is it possible to make truncate preserve an rfree flag 

 possibly present in an 

 mtz-file? Looking at its man-page it does not seem to accept 

 RFREE labels 

 neither for LABIN nor for LABOUT.

 

 How do I preserve my Rfree-flags if when using truncate? I 

 noticed the option 

 to Copy FreeR from another MTZ if I select the Ensure 

 unique data  add 

 FreeR column in the truncate GUI. Is this the correct way to 

 go by selecting 

 the file itself for the reference mtz file? This seems 

 extremely error prone 

 to me.

 

 Cheers, Tim

 

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[ccp4bb] can truncate import Rfree?

2007-05-02 Thread Tim Grune
Hello,

is it possible to make truncate preserve an rfree flag possibly present in an 
mtz-file? Looking at its man-page it does not seem to accept RFREE labels 
neither for LABIN nor for LABOUT.

How do I preserve my Rfree-flags if when using truncate? I noticed the option 
to Copy FreeR from another MTZ if I select the Ensure unique data  add 
FreeR column in the truncate GUI. Is this the correct way to go by selecting 
the file itself for the reference mtz file? This seems extremely error prone 
to me.

Cheers, Tim

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Re: [ccp4bb] further inconsistencies (was: tcltkblt and python distributions)

2007-04-20 Thread Tim Grune
Hello Oliver,

if by 'conventional' you mean
- download the source code
- ./configure OS  make  make install

I did not share your experience a couple of days ago when I did that. I used 
both the ftp and the download interface and nothing was missing.
However from from your mentioning of 'BINARY.setup' you may have meant 
installation of the binary version. I never payed attention to that file, 
though, even though I also installed a binary set on a PC running CentOS 
4.4.
All I did was change a few variable in $CCP4/include/ccp4.setup-bash:
CCP4_MASTER to the correct root of the installation
CCP4I_TCLTK   to /usr/bin to use the system wish
and remove the MANPATH entries since with an unset MANPATH bash (or man 
itself, not sure) figures out the correct path from PATH - which makes 
maintenance a lot easier.

For CentOS and Debian I also have to change bltwish to wish in the 
tcl-scripts under $CCP4/ccp4i/bin since in both systems blt comes as a 
library.

Finally I used good old g77 instead of gfortran since the latter made mosflm 
crash with a segmentation fault as soon as it tried to display an image.

Maybe you can just try to re-download it? Unless this was all for a 
different platform in which case my advise may not be applicable - sorry.

Cheers, Tim


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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:44:37 +0200

Subject: [ccp4bb] further inconsistencies (was: tcltkblt and python 
distributions)




Dear ccp4 developers,



when trying to do a conventional install of ccp4 (i.e. avoiding the 
install.sh script), I ran across additional problems/inconsistencies with 
the package:



1. In the tarball I freshly downloaded this morning, the cctbx tree under 
ccp4-6.0.2/lib was completely missing!!!



2. The BINARY.setup script checks for src/phaser, which does not exist 
(instead there are phaser-ucs and phaser-utf directories). Simply creating 
the phaser directory may resolve this, but of course the phaser installation 
is corrupted due to the missing cctbx files.



It would be nice if the responsible persons could comment on this. Is the 
conventional install no longer supported or not even checked?



Greetings

Oliver









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