Re: [ccp4bb] RES: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Marko Hyvönen]

Very well said Frank.
And if the meeting really needs (why?) that regular dude to appear, they can 
give a 20 min intro (same slides as last year, no doubt) and share the lectern 
with a  student / postdoc who presents the new science.

Marko

On 24 Jul 2020, 07:17, at 07:17, Frank von Delft  
wrote:
>Thanks Stephen for reminding me there's a point no-one raised at the
>time:
>
>There are two sets of people that have agency in this:  1) the
>organisers, and 2) the ones that get the invites.
>
>Group 1 already have a tough job:  organising a meeting is a pile of
>work - so go easy on them.  (Or organise one yourself, and have fun.)
>
>
>It's Group 2 that is by far the largest and most powerful:  we who are
>in it really do not need to accept /every/ /single /invitation; it is
>not only in our power but also our duty (on many levels) to send group
>members or collaborators instead - even just occasionally can already
>make a difference.
>
>And then suddenly we discover all these female and minority and other
>under-priviledged speakers that lie in our gift to advance - and even
>better, we get to do some mentoring while we're at it, not least to
>teach that most insidious skill that we the priviledged were handed for
>
>free, namely how to wear our priviledge lightly by taking it for
>granted.
>
>(I cannot of course claim this insight as my own, or even claim to be
>particularly consistent at it - so I must thank group members and
>colleagues and spouses for making the penny eventually drop by holding
>my toes to the fire.)
>
>
>But yes, organisers:  you /can/ ask your invitees to help you, by
>reminding them that you're not in fact interested /in //them as
>speakers, /just in having their work presented at your meeting -- so
>could they please suggest someone suitable.
>
>phx.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On 23/07/2020 10:21, Stephen Curry wrote:
>> It has been on my mind to respond to this thread since I was made
>aware of it in late February. Not because I regard myself as any sort
>of sage on these matters, but because I received a phone call from
>someone asking me to speak out. This person did not want to give her
>name and or to go into specific details, but it was clear that the
>issue matters a great deal to her. Unfortunately, she called while I
>was in the midst of trying to do three other things, so I did not give
>our discussion all the attention it deserved and that is a matter of
>some regret. I hope I can make some small amends by contributing here.
>> First off, I make no pretence at expertise. And nor am I going to
>pick up on individual comments, I just want to make some general
>observations and suggestions.
>>
>> It is good to see this discussion happening within the CCP4 community
>and to see so many people engage. The question of female representation
>in academic workshops and conferences is a live one and one where we as
>a community must do better. This is not simply a matter of suggesting
>that more women should step forward to volunteer their services. And
>nor would I suggest having women-only events, except perhaps as a
>provocative experiment to give those of us in the majority (i.e. white
>men) a little taste of what it feels like to be excluded.
>>
>> To my mind the key here is to recognise the systemic biases and
>accept that we all have a responsibility to fix the system. We can’t
>simply leave ‘solving the problem’ to those in the under-represented
>groups (whether they be women, people of colour, disabled people etc).
>It is tiring for women (and other minoritized groups) to keep having to
>point out what is wrong;  that burden in itself is part of the
>structural bias. And nor should we ignore or silence their concerns
>because we have not seen or experienced them ourselves.
>>
>> Listening has to be a central part of the process, or ‘people talking
>to people’ as Atul Gawande puts it in an insightful piece about how to
>get people to see things from a different perspective
>(https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/07/29/slow-ideas). This isn’t
>always going to be easy, but if we are really committed to including
>all people of talent within the scientific community and enjoy the
>intellectual fruits (and justice…) of diversity, we need to be prepared
>for what Margaret Heffernan (another of my favourites) might call
>‘creative conflict’
>(https://www.ted.com/talks/margaret_heffernan_dare_to_disagree?language=en).
>>
>> Of course, tools and processes will also help. I agree with those who
>suggest that we should be proactive about seeking out women and other
>under-represented folks when looking for workshop tutors or conference
>speakers (or new people to hire). To that end, at Imperial we have
>introduce a new conference policy (which others are free to copy – that
>is in part how we constructed it ourselves -
>https://www.imperial.ac.uk/equality/governance/policies/conference-policy/).
>This sets out not only a code of conduct but also guidance on how to
>ensure better 

Re: [ccp4bb] RES: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Frank von Delft]

Thanks Stephen for reminding me there's a point no-one raised at the time:

There are two sets of people that have agency in this:  1) the 
organisers, and 2) the ones that get the invites.


Group 1 already have a tough job:  organising a meeting is a pile of 
work - so go easy on them.  (Or organise one yourself, and have fun.)



It's Group 2 that is by far the largest and most powerful:  we who are 
in it really do not need to accept /every/ /single /invitation; it is 
not only in our power but also our duty (on many levels) to send group 
members or collaborators instead - even just occasionally can already 
make a difference.


And then suddenly we discover all these female and minority and other 
under-priviledged speakers that lie in our gift to advance - and even 
better, we get to do some mentoring while we're at it, not least to 
teach that most insidious skill that we the priviledged were handed for 
free, namely how to wear our priviledge lightly by taking it for granted.


(I cannot of course claim this insight as my own, or even claim to be 
particularly consistent at it - so I must thank group members and 
colleagues and spouses for making the penny eventually drop by holding 
my toes to the fire.)



But yes, organisers:  you /can/ ask your invitees to help you, by 
reminding them that you're not in fact interested /in //them as 
speakers, /just in having their work presented at your meeting -- so 
could they please suggest someone suitable.


phx.













On 23/07/2020 10:21, Stephen Curry wrote:

It has been on my mind to respond to this thread since I was made aware of it 
in late February. Not because I regard myself as any sort of sage on these 
matters, but because I received a phone call from someone asking me to speak 
out. This person did not want to give her name and or to go into specific 
details, but it was clear that the issue matters a great deal to her. 
Unfortunately, she called while I was in the midst of trying to do three other 
things, so I did not give our discussion all the attention it deserved and that 
is a matter of some regret. I hope I can make some small amends by contributing 
here.
First off, I make no pretence at expertise. And nor am I going to pick up on 
individual comments, I just want to make some general observations and 
suggestions.

It is good to see this discussion happening within the CCP4 community and to 
see so many people engage. The question of female representation in academic 
workshops and conferences is a live one and one where we as a community must do 
better. This is not simply a matter of suggesting that more women should step 
forward to volunteer their services. And nor would I suggest having women-only 
events, except perhaps as a provocative experiment to give those of us in the 
majority (i.e. white men) a little taste of what it feels like to be excluded.

To my mind the key here is to recognise the systemic biases and accept that we 
all have a responsibility to fix the system. We can’t simply leave ‘solving the 
problem’ to those in the under-represented groups (whether they be women, 
people of colour, disabled people etc). It is tiring for women (and other 
minoritized groups) to keep having to point out what is wrong;  that burden in 
itself is part of the structural bias. And nor should we ignore or silence 
their concerns because we have not seen or experienced them ourselves.

Listening has to be a central part of the process, or ‘people talking to 
people’ as Atul Gawande puts it in an insightful piece about how to get people 
to see things from a different perspective 
(https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/07/29/slow-ideas). This isn’t always 
going to be easy, but if we are really committed to including all people of 
talent within the scientific community and enjoy the intellectual fruits (and 
justice…) of diversity, we need to be prepared for what Margaret Heffernan 
(another of my favourites) might call ‘creative conflict’ 
(https://www.ted.com/talks/margaret_heffernan_dare_to_disagree?language=en).

Of course, tools and processes will also help. I agree with those who suggest 
that we should be proactive about seeking out women and other under-represented 
folks when looking for workshop tutors or conference speakers (or new people to 
hire). To that end, at Imperial we have introduce a new conference policy 
(which others are free to copy – that is in part how we constructed it 
ourselves - 
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/equality/governance/policies/conference-policy/). 
This sets out not only a code of conduct but also guidance on how to ensure 
better representation among speakers and panellists at workshops and 
conferences. Those of us in the majority who are accustomed to receiving 
invitations to speak have a crucial role to play here in testing the 
organisers’ commitment to diversity. I have a personal policy of not appearing 
on all-male panels or line-ups of speakers. I am now also trying to 

Re: [ccp4bb] RES: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Stephen Curry]

It has been on my mind to respond to this thread since I was made aware of it 
in late February. Not because I regard myself as any sort of sage on these 
matters, but because I received a phone call from someone asking me to speak 
out. This person did not want to give her name and or to go into specific 
details, but it was clear that the issue matters a great deal to her. 
Unfortunately, she called while I was in the midst of trying to do three other 
things, so I did not give our discussion all the attention it deserved and that 
is a matter of some regret. I hope I can make some small amends by contributing 
here.
First off, I make no pretence at expertise. And nor am I going to pick up on 
individual comments, I just want to make some general observations and 
suggestions.

It is good to see this discussion happening within the CCP4 community and to 
see so many people engage. The question of female representation in academic 
workshops and conferences is a live one and one where we as a community must do 
better. This is not simply a matter of suggesting that more women should step 
forward to volunteer their services. And nor would I suggest having women-only 
events, except perhaps as a provocative experiment to give those of us in the 
majority (i.e. white men) a little taste of what it feels like to be excluded.

To my mind the key here is to recognise the systemic biases and accept that we 
all have a responsibility to fix the system. We can’t simply leave ‘solving the 
problem’ to those in the under-represented groups (whether they be women, 
people of colour, disabled people etc). It is tiring for women (and other 
minoritized groups) to keep having to point out what is wrong;  that burden in 
itself is part of the structural bias. And nor should we ignore or silence 
their concerns because we have not seen or experienced them ourselves.

Listening has to be a central part of the process, or ‘people talking to 
people’ as Atul Gawande puts it in an insightful piece about how to get people 
to see things from a different perspective 
(https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/07/29/slow-ideas). This isn’t always 
going to be easy, but if we are really committed to including all people of 
talent within the scientific community and enjoy the intellectual fruits (and 
justice…) of diversity, we need to be prepared for what Margaret Heffernan 
(another of my favourites) might call ‘creative conflict’ 
(https://www.ted.com/talks/margaret_heffernan_dare_to_disagree?language=en).

Of course, tools and processes will also help. I agree with those who suggest 
that we should be proactive about seeking out women and other under-represented 
folks when looking for workshop tutors or conference speakers (or new people to 
hire). To that end, at Imperial we have introduce a new conference policy 
(which others are free to copy – that is in part how we constructed it 
ourselves - 
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/equality/governance/policies/conference-policy/). 
This sets out not only a code of conduct but also guidance on how to ensure 
better representation among speakers and panellists at workshops and 
conferences. Those of us in the majority who are accustomed to receiving 
invitations to speak have a crucial role to play here in testing the 
organisers’ commitment to diversity. I have a personal policy of not appearing 
on all-male panels or line-ups of speakers. I am now also trying to apply that 
to promote other aspects of diversity.

I could go on. The problem of gender inequality is long-standing. Progress has 
been made but only slowly. The Athena SWAN charter rightly has its critics in 
the UK, but it is starting to move the numbers (in those depts and institutions 
where engagement is strongest), and it has normalised the discussion. One 
further suggestion from the thread that I would support is inserting 
discussions about the issues of equality and diversity within regular academic 
conferences; if you have a dedicated meeting, usually only the converted show 
up. Better to ambush the unwary.

 With best wishes,

 Stephen


Stephen Curry PhD
Assistant Provost (Equality, Diversity & Inclusion)
Professor of Structural Biology
Department of Life Sciences, Room 404A, Sir Ernst Chain Building
Imperial College, London SW7 2AZ, UK





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Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Sarah Bowman]

It's been an enlightening discussion. There are a number of resources available 
to help the scientific community with these issues, including a new app that 
was described just yesterday in Nature Index:  https://tinyurl.com/swu3ecn


Sarah

Sarah EJ Bowman, PhD

Associate Research Scientist, Hauptman-Woodward Medical Research Institute
Director, High-Throughput Crystallization Screening Center
Research Associate Professor, Department of Biochemistry, University at Buffalo

Research Webpage<https://hwi.buffalo.edu/scientist-directory/sbowman/>
www.getacrystal.org<http://www.getacrystal.org/>

From: CCP4 bulletin board  on behalf of Isabel Uson 

Sent: Friday, February 7, 2020 12:34 PM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

I would like to add my thoughts. Best wishes,

Isabel


1-   I appreciate Eddy Snell is raising an issue that is real and I would like 
to thank him for it.

2-   I feel the discussion should be separated from this particular workshop in 
Montevideo. In the recent workshop in Shanghai I was the only female speaker. 
Is it that different? Would it have been different if I had been able to accept 
their invitation to this edition of a workshop I regularly attend? There have 
been quite a few more women in their program in past editions of the South 
American workshops and it would be extremely unfair to pick on them rather than 
valuing their role advancing science and education. I am indebted to Brazil and 
CCP4 for funding my research and for the opportunities their education and 
support constantly open.

3-   As a developer, I appreciate being involved in the decision of who 
represents my methods, I expect my male colleagues will feel the same way, so 
having a parallel detached pool of female tutors is problematic from the onset 
and places such tutors in a vulnerable position, open for criticism. I would 
welcome offers of such cooperation and I am open to work with volunteers.

4-   I have thought for a long time on why it is that we (women) lag back in 
our careers and for me the deepest insight came reading the homework of a 14 
year old girl. School assignment for sports: the composition and strategy of a 
football team for her class. “And myself I would place as a defender because I 
want to play and I will have far better chances taking the ball from my 
opponent than expecting any of the boys in my team to ever pass it to me.” To 
me this is the essence. Anyone who is different from the pre-conceived role 
model has to fight for opportunities, if you conform to what people expect, you 
still need to make the best of your opportunities but they will arrive 
repeatedly.

5-   We need to create (early) opportunities for those who do not conform to 
the norm because they get too few. In the school story, the teacher reacted 
issuing a rule that for two weeks only goals scored by the girls in the teams 
would count. This prompted a change. So, positive discrimination is necessary 
where it will make a difference. It is even a misnomer; there should be a 
mechanism to correct the existing negative discrimination. Some environments 
that do not find suitable women to appoint would find some if pushed by 
funding. As research directions are picked when there are grant opportunities.

6-   Gender is just one aspect of diversity, there are others: nationality, 
accent, education background… having a comprehensive look the statistic is far 
more narrow than male-caucasian. The principle of looking away from the obvious 
expectation is general.

7-   This edition of the school in Montevideo will have a speaker who 10 years 
ago was a student in the course. Would a South American student relate more to 
a role model with the same background or with the same gender? To my former 
student-self Eleanor Dodson was as much of a mythological creature in the Olymp 
as George Sheldrick.

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Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Storm, Selina (DLSLtd,RAL,LSCI)]

Dear Isabel, dear all,

I think that I might not have expressed my thoughts as clearly as I would have 
liked to, therefore
one more mail on the subject:

I never meant to say that developers should stay at home and only expert users 
should go to the
workshops in the future, and I apologize if that was the impression I gave. 
Graeme gave all the reasons
why a mixture would be the best case.

Selina

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2020


I would like to add my thoughts. Best wishes,


Isabel



1-   I appreciate Eddy Snell is raising an issue that is real and I would like 
to thank him for it.

2-   I feel the discussion should be separated from this particular workshop in 
Montevideo. In the recent workshop in Shanghai I was the only female speaker. 
Is it that different? Would it have been different if I had been able to accept 
their invitation to this edition of a workshop I regularly attend? There have 
been quite a few more women in their program in past editions of the South 
American workshops and it would be extremely unfair to pick on them rather than 
valuing their role advancing science and education. I am indebted to Brazil and 
CCP4 for funding my research and for the opportunities their education and 
support constantly open.

3-   As a developer, I appreciate being involved in the decision of who 
represents my methods, I expect my male colleagues will feel the same way, so 
having a parallel detached pool of female tutors is problematic from the onset 
and places such tutors in a vulnerable position, open for criticism. I would 
welcome offers of such cooperation and I am open to work with volunteers.

4-   I have thought for a long time on why it is that we (women) lag back in 
our careers and for me the deepest insight came reading the homework of a 14 
year old girl. School assignment for sports: the composition and strategy of a 
football team for her class. “And myself I would place as a defender because I 
want to play and I will have far better chances taking the ball from my 
opponent than expecting any of the boys in my team to ever pass it to me.” To 
me this is the essence. Anyone who is different from the pre-conceived role 
model has to fight for opportunities, if you conform to what people expect, you 
still need to make the best of your opportunities but they will arrive 
repeatedly.

5-   We need to create (early) opportunities for those who do not conform to 
the norm because they get too few. In the school story, the teacher reacted 
issuing a rule that for two weeks only goals scored by the girls in the teams 
would count. This prompted a change. So, positive discrimination is necessary 
where it will make a difference. It is even a misnomer; there should be a 
mechanism to correct the existing negative discrimination. Some environments 
that do not find suitable women to appoint would find some if pushed by 
funding. As research directions are picked when there are grant opportunities.

6-   Gender is just one aspect of diversity, there are others: nationality, 
accent, education background… having a comprehensive look the statistic is far 
more narrow than male-caucasian. The principle of looking away from the obvious 
expectation is general.

7-   This edition of the school in Montevideo will have a speaker who 10 years 
ago was a student in the course. Would a South American student relate more to 
a role model with the same background or with the same gender? To my former 
student-self Eleanor Dodson was as much of a mythological creature in the Olymp 
as George Sheldrick.

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Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Isabel Uson]

I would like to add my thoughts. Best wishes,


Isabel



1-   I appreciate Eddy Snell is raising an issue that is real and I would
like to thank him for it.

2-   I feel the discussion should be separated from this particular
workshop in Montevideo. In the recent workshop in Shanghai I was the only
female speaker. Is it that different? Would it have been different if I had
been able to accept their invitation to this edition of a workshop I
regularly attend? There have been quite a few more women in their program
in past editions of the South American workshops and it would be extremely
unfair to pick on them rather than valuing their role advancing science and
education. I am indebted to Brazil and CCP4 for funding my research and for
the opportunities their education and support constantly open.

3-   As a developer, I appreciate being involved in the decision of who
represents my methods, I expect my male colleagues will feel the same way,
so having a parallel detached pool of female tutors is problematic from the
onset and places such tutors in a vulnerable position, open for criticism.
I would welcome offers of such cooperation and I am open to work with
volunteers.

4-   I have thought for a long time on why it is that we (women) lag back
in our careers and for me the deepest insight came reading the homework of
a 14 year old girl. School assignment for sports: the composition and
strategy of a football team for her class. *“And myself I would place as a
defender because I want to play and I will have far better chances taking
the ball from my opponent than expecting any of the boys in my team to ever
pass it to me.” *To me this is the essence. Anyone who is different from
the pre-conceived role model has to fight for opportunities, if you conform
to what people expect, you still need to make the best of your
opportunities but they will arrive repeatedly.

5-   We need to create (early) opportunities for those who do not conform
to the norm because they get too few. In the school story, the teacher
reacted issuing a rule that for two weeks only goals scored by the girls in
the teams would count. This prompted a change. So, positive discrimination
is necessary where it will make a difference. It is even a misnomer; there
should be a mechanism to correct the existing negative discrimination. Some
environments that do not find suitable women to appoint would find some if
pushed by funding. As research directions are picked when there are grant
opportunities.

6-   Gender is just one aspect of diversity, there are others: nationality,
accent, education background… having a comprehensive look the statistic is
far more narrow than male-caucasian. The principle of looking away from the
obvious expectation is general.

7-   This edition of the school in Montevideo will have a speaker who 10
years ago was a student in the course. Would a South American student
relate more to a role model with the same background or with the same
gender? To my former student-self Eleanor Dodson was as much of a
mythological creature in the Olymp as George Sheldrick.

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Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Peter Keller]

On 06/02/2020 10:16, Goldman, Adrian wrote:


The overall bias in society is a fact but one that, maybe, that 
neither CCP4bb nor this workshop is equipped to handle or affect? The 
bias that Bärbel refers to starts very young indeed - in the early 
interactions that young children experience - clothing colours,


On the particular issue of gendered colour choices, the Wikipedia page 
makes interesting reading: 
. 
Among other things, the "Commentary" section describes an industry-led 
drive to standardise on colour choices for birth announcement stationery 
in the USA. Make of that what you will


Regards,

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Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[John R Helliwell]

Dear Tassos, Dear Colleagues,
Just to mention that in the UK we are guided by the Equality Challenge Unit’s 
Athena SWAN initiative https://www.ecu.ac.uk/equality-charters/athena-swan/ 
(SWAN is Science Women’s Academic Network, founded originally at Imperial 
College). 
In particular, I mention that affirmative action (eg providing special 
initiatives for training purposes) to move away from there being under 
represented groups is allowed in the UK whereas positive discrimination in 
recruitment is not. In other countries the law is different.
In the particular case under discussion in this thread there is guidance such 
as here https://ecm31.ecanews.org/en/statement-on-gender-balance.php 
Best wishes,
John 
Emeritus Professor John R Helliwell DSc
Gender Equality Champion, School of Chemistry, University of Manchester 
2009-2011.



> On 7 Feb 2020, at 09:32, Anastassis Perrakis  wrote:
> 
>  Dear all,
> 
> Andrea made the statement: "There is dicrimination in crystallography, just 
> like in most other academic fields.”
> 
> And I do agree with her. There was discrimination, and there still is.
> 
> However, this discrimination changed from negative (against women) to 
> positive (promoting women in science).
> 
> There is positive discrimination for women, in every committee I have been, 
> be it for fellowships, grants or meetings, there is full awareness that we 
> need more women in science. I do strongly argue this is a positive and much 
> needed development which I fully support, as we need to achieve balance in 
> gender representation in academia.
> 
> However, I think that often we miss the long term goal: the long-term goal, 
> in my opinion, is to have gender-blind procedures for all decisions. Right 
> now, I wholeheartedly agree we need to make decisions with a positive 
> gender-bias for women, but that does not mean that the KPI for success is 
> achieving 50-50% representation in every single academic discipline. The long 
> term goal is to make sure that anyone regardless of gender can have an 
> opportunity to do whatever they like to do in academia and in life in general.
> 
> Before the flame wars begin, I recommend to read these articles:
> 
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19824299 
> https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0956797617741719
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Tassos
> 
> 
>> On Feb 6, 2020, at 17:18, Andrea Thorn  wrote:
>> 
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> here are some numbers. There are definitly fewer females than males in 
>> crystallography: 
>> attendees of IUCr congresses - 36% female; keynote speakers - 28-17% female
>> (Source: 
>> https://blogs.iucr.org/crystallites/2018/03/07/women-in-crystallography-we%e2%80%99re-not-just-historical/)
>> There are even fewer women in methods development. In the years 2013-2019, 
>> CCP4 Developers' meeting (supposedly the largest developer-only meeting in 
>> crystallography in Europe) had 50-60 attendees, of which 5-10 were female. I 
>> also think that not every woman may have the confidence to self-describe as 
>> computational methods developer even if she codes.
>> 
>> We may not be many, but we are around! I can think about a few dozen female 
>> computational methods developers from the top of my head, and I am very 
>> willing to make a list if any organizer would be interested.
>> 
>> There is dicrimination in crystallography, just like in most other academic 
>> fields. There are quite a few high-profile examples of this, for example 
>> Isabella Karle not getting a Nobel Price or Jane Richardson only becoming a 
>> professor after decades of leading the lab with Dave and inventing the 
>> ribbon diagram. So I think there is some room for improvement even in our 
>> discipline. Why not go for it?
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Andrea.
>> 
>> PS. If you are a coding crystallographer (m/f/d) looking for a PhD thesis or 
>> postdoc, send me an email - we are recruiting!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 06.02.2020 um 11:26 schrieb Bärbel Blaum:
>>> Gosh Emmanual, your email is one amazing example of what the problem is, 
>>> every single paragraph - thanks for putting that one out!
>>>  
>>> My last email for this subject, I promise. Thanks a lot for the off-list 
>>> feedbacks!
>>>  
>>> Bärbel
>>>  
>>> -- 
>>> Bärbel Blaum, PhD
>>> Inthera Bioscience AG
>>> Einsiedlerstrasse 34
>>> CH-8820 Waedenswil
>>> Switzerland
>>> E-Mail: baerbel.bl...@intherabio.com
>>> Phone: +41 43 477 94 72-

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Schreuder, Herman /DE]

Dear Bärbel,

this is a good point. Last fall, I attended the bachelors ceremony for 
informatics students for my daughter. I was somewhat surprised to see that most 
German graduates were male, but that most Indian graduates were female. At the 
reception afterwards when talking to some people I discovered that in Germany, 
an informatics study is considered to be something for males, while in India it 
is apparently considered to be something for females. In fact, some of the 
Indian students where somewhat surprised that so little German females would 
study informatics.

So apparently, a lot of the gender bias is the result of cultural expectations 
and this will be the first thing we need to change if we want to get a more 
equal gender distribution.

Best regards,
Herman


Von: CCP4 bulletin board  Im Auftrag von Bärbel Blaum
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 6. Februar 2020 10:31
An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Betreff: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in 
South America 2020


EXTERNAL : Real sender is 
owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk<mailto:owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk>

Dear all,

yes, there are more male computational crystallographers than females – the 
question we can ask ourselves here is: Do we think there is some biological 
reason for this? Obviously there isn’t. So things are wrong as they stand. Are 
we, nevertheless, ok with this current state of affairs? We are not talking 
some minor issue here – if half of the population is under-represented, that is 
a giant intellectual loss (actually for *all* professions that lack diversity, 
childcare included, and of course the loss is not just on the intellectual 
level).

If you think you have been lucky to work in a place where there is no bias 
against women it just means you are lucky in not being one. If you care to 
know, simply try and put the other side’s shoes on. Start asking your female 
colleagues, friends, partners, students about their experience, moments they 
witnessed were they felt overlooked or deliberately excluded, treated in sexist 
ways, you name it. You will be surprised.

Then think about the moments, institutions, relationships that have been 
instrumental in your own careers. University meetings and important talks 
routinely held and given in the evenings. Conferences with no childcare. Many 
male researchers only being able to work as much as they do because some female 
is looking after the house and the kids. Babies being colored-coded by gender, 
mummys at home and daddys at work. Girls being told it’s ok to be bad at math. 
You must be joking if you wonder where all the female scientists are! We all 
grow up and are educated in a world that is heavily biased in terms of which 
roles which gender adopts - how are we supposed to not think that this reflects 
some form of “natural” order? There are plenty of other groups that grow up 
systematically underestimating their potentials, just compare students from 
academic homes with those from working class backgrounds. And there is plenty 
of research on the subject.

The question is if you care to notice this bias, discrimination, lack of equal 
opportunities, and if you care to do something about it - of course we all have 
other things to attend to. But if teaching is part of our job description then 
we have to think about how to be good teachers, and that does not stop at how 
to explain Fourier transforms or python. The reason I suggested a meeting by a 
female group of scientists as only organizers and speakers is because as long 
as we have these male-dominated environments at workshops and meetings the 
respective younger generation will be presented with this order as being the 
natural way things work *because we taught them so*. If we want these younger 
guys to get things right in ways we did not we have to create alternative 
perspectives and come up with new forms of community work.

Bärbel

--
Bärbel Blaum, PhD
Inthera Bioscience AG
Einsiedlerstrasse 34
CH-8820 Waedenswil
Switzerland
E-Mail: baerbel.bl...@intherabio.com<mailto:baerbel.bl...@intherabio.com>
Phone: +41 43 477 94 72--



Von: CCP4 bulletin board mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>> 
im Auftrag von Susan Lea 
mailto:susan@path.ox.ac.uk>>
Antworten an: Susan Lea 
mailto:susan@path.ox.ac.uk>>
Datum: Donnerstag, 6. Februar 2020 um 02:21
An: mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>>
Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 
2020

Perhaps some of the respondents to this question should real Angela Saini’s 
Inferior before commenting in public
Susan
Sent from my iPhone

On 5 Feb 2020, at 19:18, Robert Nicholls 
mailto:nicho...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>> wrote:

As a Caucasian male I hesitate to post; I know that there are a lot of people 
who are sensitive to this subject, so feel that I'm treading on eggshells in 
responding... Nevertheless I feel obliged to respond, having a certain amount 
of insight into t

Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Bärbel Blaum]

Gosh Emmanual, your email is one amazing example of what the problem is, every 
single paragraph - thanks for putting that one out!

 

My last email for this subject, I promise. Thanks a lot for the off-list 
feedbacks!

 

Bärbel

 

-- 

Bärbel Blaum, PhD

Inthera Bioscience AG

Einsiedlerstrasse 34

CH-8820 Waedenswil

Switzerland

E-Mail: baerbel.bl...@intherabio.com

Phone: +41 43 477 94 72--

 

 

 

Von: CCP4 bulletin board  im Auftrag von Emmanuel 
Saridakis 
Antworten an: Emmanuel Saridakis 
Datum: Donnerstag, 6. Februar 2020 um 11:16
An: 
Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 
2020

 

 

Dear All,

 

To strike a more positive note, crystallography (esp. macromolecular) has 
always had a very high representation of women at top levels: Kathleen 
Lonsdale, Dorothy Crowfoot Hodgkin, Rosalind Franklin and Ada Yonath are the 
most famous names that immediately come to mind, but there are many more highly 
distinguished ones like Elena Conti, Naomi Chayen, Elspeth Garman, Petra Fromme 
and scores more. There seems to be no "glass ceiling" for women in 
crystallography so I believe it is one of very few scientific fields where 
gender balance discussions and constraints are irrelevant.

 

This might be due to Bragg son, who apparently was a champion of women in 
Science. If this is indeed the case, that would provide strong support to the 
argument that underrepresenation of women in Science (and elsewhere) is due to 
historical reasons that can be easily overturned, rather than to any biological 
predetermination. Crystallography after all is a field which is heavy on maths, 
space visualisation and high-tech instrumentation, which people would 
traditionally more readily associate with males.

 

Let me finish with a famous quote by author William Golding: "I think women are 
foolish to pretend they are equal to men. They are far superior and always have 
been."

 

Emmanuel 

 

- 

Dr. Emmanuel Saridakis
Principal Researcher
Institute of Nanoscience and Nanotechnology
National Centre for Scientific Research "DEMOKRITOS"
15310 Athens
GREECE


email: e.sarida...@inn.demokritos.gr

 

From: "Bärbel Blaum" 
To: "CCP4BB" 
Sent: Thursday, 6 February, 2020 11:30:36
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 
2020

 

Dear all,

 

yes, there are more male computational crystallographers than females – the 
question we can ask ourselves here is: Do we think there is some biological 
reason for this? Obviously there isn’t. So things are wrong as they stand. Are 
we, nevertheless, ok with this current state of affairs? We are not talking 
some minor issue here – if half of the population is under-represented, that is 
a giant intellectual loss (actually for *all* professions that lack diversity, 
childcare included, and of course the loss is not just on the intellectual 
level). 

 

If you think you have been lucky to work in a place where there is no bias 
against women it just means you are lucky in not being one. If you care to 
know, simply try and put the other side’s shoes on. Start asking your female 
colleagues, friends, partners, students about their experience, moments they 
witnessed were they felt overlooked or deliberately excluded, treated in sexist 
ways, you name it. You will be surprised. 

 

Then think about the moments, institutions, relationships that have been 
instrumental in your own careers. University meetings and important talks 
routinely held and given in the evenings. Conferences with no childcare. Many 
male researchers only being able to work as much as they do because some female 
is looking after the house and the kids. Babies being colored-coded by gender, 
mummys at home and daddys at work. Girls being told it’s ok to be bad at math. 
You must be joking if you wonder where all the female scientists are! We all 
grow up and are educated in a world that is heavily biased in terms of which 
roles which gender adopts - how are we supposed to not think that this reflects 
some form of “natural” order? There are plenty of other groups that grow up 
systematically underestimating their potentials, just compare students from 
academic homes with those from working class backgrounds. And there is plenty 
of research on the subject. 

 

The question is if you care to notice this bias, discrimination, lack of equal 
opportunities, and if you care to do something about it - of course we all have 
other things to attend to. But if teaching is part of our job description then 
we have to think about how to be good teachers, and that does not stop at how 
to explain Fourier transforms or python. The reason I suggested a meeting by a 
female group of scientists as only organizers and speakers is because as long 
as we have these male-dominated environments at workshops and meetings the 
respective younger generation will be presented with this order as bei

Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Emmanuel Saridakis]

And Eleanor Dodson, of course!!! 
E. 


From: "ΕΜΜΑΝΟΥΗΛ ΣΑΡΕΙΔΑΚΗΣ"  
To: "CCP4BB"  
Sent: Thursday, 6 February, 2020 12:15:07 
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 
2020 


Dear All, 

To strike a more positive note, crystallography (esp. macromolecular) has 
always had a very high representation of women at top levels: Kathleen 
Lonsdale, Dorothy Crowfoot Hodgkin, Rosalind Franklin and Ada Yonath are the 
most famous names that immediately come to mind, but there are many more highly 
distinguished ones like Elena Conti, Naomi Chayen, Elspeth Garman, Petra Fromme 
and scores more. There seems to be no "glass ceiling" for women in 
crystallography so I believe it is one of very few scientific fields where 
gender balance discussions and constraints are irrelevant. 

This might be due to Bragg son, who apparently was a champion of women in 
Science. If this is indeed the case, that would provide strong support to the 
argument that underrepresenation of women in Science (and elsewhere) is due to 
historical reasons that can be easily overturned, rather than to any biological 
predetermination. Crystallography after all is a field which is heavy on maths, 
space visualisation and high-tech instrumentation, which people would 
traditionally more readily associate with males. 

Let me finish with a famous quote by author William Golding: " I think women 
are foolish to pretend they are equal to men. They are far superior and always 
have been." 

Emmanuel 

- 
Dr. Emmanuel Saridakis 
Principal Researcher 
Institute of Nanoscience and Nanotechnology 
National Centre for Scientific Research "DEMOKRITOS" 
15310 Athens 
GREECE 

email: e.sarida...@inn.demokritos.gr 



From: "Bärbel Blaum"  
To: "CCP4BB"  
Sent: Thursday, 6 February, 2020 11:30:36 
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 
2020 



Dear all, 



yes, there are more male computational crystallographers than females – the 
question we can ask ourselves here is: Do we think there is some biological 
reason for this? Obviously there isn’t. So things are wrong as they stand. Are 
we, nevertheless, ok with this current state of affairs? We are not talking 
some minor issue here – if half of the population is under-represented, that is 
a giant intellectual loss (actually for * all * professions that lack 
diversity, childcare included, and of course the loss is not just on the 
intellectual level). 



If you think you have been lucky to work in a place where there is no bias 
against women it just means you are lucky in not being one. If you care to 
know, simply try and put the other side’s shoes on. Start asking your female 
colleagues, friends, partners, students about their experience, moments they 
witnessed were they felt overlooked or deliberately excluded, treated in sexist 
ways, you name it. You will be surprised. 



Then think about the moments, institutions, relationships that have been 
instrumental in your own careers. University meetings and important talks 
routinely held and given in the evenings. Conferences with no childcare. Many 
male researchers only being able to work as much as they do because some female 
is looking after the house and the kids. Babies being colored-coded by gender, 
mummys at home and daddys at work. Girls being told it’s ok to be bad at math. 
You must be joking if you wonder where all the female scientists are! We all 
grow up and are educated in a world that is heavily biased in terms of which 
roles which gender adopts - how are we supposed to not think that this reflects 
some form of “natural” order? There are plenty of other groups that grow up 
systematically underestimating their potentials, just compare students from 
academic homes with those from working class backgrounds. And there is plenty 
of research on the subject. 



The question is if you care to notice this bias, discrimination, lack of equal 
opportunities, and if you care to do something about it - of course we all have 
other things to attend to. But if teaching is part of our job description then 
we have to think about how to be good teachers, and that does not stop at how 
to explain Fourier transforms or python. The reason I suggested a meeting by a 
female group of scientists as only organizers and speakers is because as long 
as we have these male-dominated environments at workshops and meetings the 
respective younger generation will be presented with this order as being the 
natural way things work * because we taught them so *. If we want these younger 
guys to get things right in ways we did not we have to create alternative 
perspectives and come up with new forms of community work. 



Bärbel 




-- 

Bärbel Blaum, PhD 

Inthera Bioscience AG 

Einsiedlerstrasse 34 

CH-8820 Waedenswil 

Switzerland 

E-Mail: baerbel.bl...@intherabio.com 

Phone: +41 43 477 94 72-- 

Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Goldman, Adrian]

ecause we taught them so*. If we want these younger 
guys to get things right in ways we did not we have to create alternative 
perspectives and come up with new forms of community work.

Bärbel

--
Bärbel Blaum, PhD
Inthera Bioscience AG
Einsiedlerstrasse 34
CH-8820 Waedenswil
Switzerland
E-Mail: baerbel.bl...@intherabio.com<mailto:baerbel.bl...@intherabio.com>
Phone: +41 43 477 94 72--



Von: CCP4 bulletin board mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>> 
im Auftrag von Susan Lea 
mailto:susan@path.ox.ac.uk>>
Antworten an: Susan Lea 
mailto:susan@path.ox.ac.uk>>
Datum: Donnerstag, 6. Februar 2020 um 02:21
An: mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>>
Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 
2020

Perhaps some of the respondents to this question should real Angela Saini’s 
Inferior before commenting in public
Susan
Sent from my iPhone


On 5 Feb 2020, at 19:18, Robert Nicholls 
mailto:nicho...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>> wrote:

As a Caucasian male I hesitate to post; I know that there are a lot of people 
who are sensitive to this subject, so feel that I'm treading on eggshells in 
responding... Nevertheless I feel obliged to respond, having a certain amount 
of insight into the topic in the context of these workshops.

Personally I don't find posts such as this - which simply incite (positive) 
discrimination - to be very constructive.

From speaking to organisers and being involved in committees over numerous 
years I know that gender bias is always very much at the forefront of the 
organisers' minds when deciding whom to invite. Especially where funding 
requirements and committees are involved, the issue of gender bias is always 
raised with a heavy hand. Consequently, in modern times whenever there is a 
gender bias in our field it is not a result of naivety or discriminative 
cliqueness, but rather necessity due to the availability of appropriate tutors 
(as correctly indicated by Rasmus). And as Andrew points out, organising these 
workshops takes a lot of effort, and as such it is inappropriate to treat the 
organisers with undue disrespect.

Ultimately, the objective is to teach the topics intended to be covered in the 
workshop. For sure, there are a number of very good females who are appropriate 
for teaching on these courses, despite being in the relative minority. I know a 
number of the females who are very able to tutor on such courses, and by 
personal communication I also know why some of them might not be able to attend 
this particular one this year. As Eleanor has pointed out, sometimes life gets 
in the way.

There is a very good gender balance of participants in these workshops, as is 
indicative of the demographic of practicing structural biologists wishing to 
utilise these software tools. But clearly the gender balance of tutors is 
heavily in favour of males - this represents the difference in gender ratios of 
people engaging with practical structural biology versus computational methods 
development.

I understand the argument that it is good for female tutors to be present as 
role models in such workshops, but it is worth noting that the people attending 
these workshops do not intend to become methods developers - they simply want 
to know how to best use the tools available. Consequently there is a 
qualitative difference between tutors and participants. Therefore, there is 
limited capability for the participants to see the tutors as role models in 
this context.

I feel that the junior vs senior argument isn't at all relevant. More senior 
developers will of course be generally preferred - it is necessary for 
individuals with sufficient experience to be available to help in these 
workshops (again as indicated by Rasmus). But I have seen many junior software 
developers sent to teach at CCP4 workshops (irrespective of gender). Indeed, it 
is necessary for junior developers to gain such experience in order to grow. 
This is very necessary in order to meet the demands of an expanding and 
evolving community.

From a purely statistical point of view it seems reasonable to me for the 
gender bias of tutors in such workshops to realistically reflect the 
demographic of crystallographic software developers. Consequently, I feel that 
the real problem lies in the proportion of females who want to become methods 
developers. My personal experience is that there is absolutely no 
discrimination whatsoever when interviewing or encouraging potential scientists 
to enter the field. Perhaps I have been fortunate enough to not be exposed to 
an environment where there is any such discrimination.

For me, the real problem lies in the proportion of females who are interested 
in a career in computational methods development; I believe this issue stems 
back to the proportion of females who choose theoretical/computational degrees 
at undergraduate level. I do not know how to encourage more females to engage 
with the field at e

Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Emmanuel Saridakis]

Dear All, 

To strike a more positive note, crystallography (esp. macromolecular) has 
always had a very high representation of women at top levels: Kathleen 
Lonsdale, Dorothy Crowfoot Hodgkin, Rosalind Franklin and Ada Yonath are the 
most famous names that immediately come to mind, but there are many more highly 
distinguished ones like Elena Conti, Naomi Chayen, Elspeth Garman, Petra Fromme 
and scores more. There seems to be no "glass ceiling" for women in 
crystallography so I believe it is one of very few scientific fields where 
gender balance discussions and constraints are irrelevant. 

This might be due to Bragg son, who apparently was a champion of women in 
Science. If this is indeed the case, that would provide strong support to the 
argument that underrepresenation of women in Science (and elsewhere) is due to 
historical reasons that can be easily overturned, rather than to any biological 
predetermination. Crystallography after all is a field which is heavy on maths, 
space visualisation and high-tech instrumentation, which people would 
traditionally more readily associate with males. 

Let me finish with a famous quote by author William Golding: " I think women 
are foolish to pretend they are equal to men. They are far superior and always 
have been." 

Emmanuel 

- 
Dr. Emmanuel Saridakis 
Principal Researcher 
Institute of Nanoscience and Nanotechnology 
National Centre for Scientific Research "DEMOKRITOS" 
15310 Athens 
GREECE 

email: e.sarida...@inn.demokritos.gr 



From: "Bärbel Blaum"  
To: "CCP4BB"  
Sent: Thursday, 6 February, 2020 11:30:36 
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 
2020 



Dear all, 



yes, there are more male computational crystallographers than females – the 
question we can ask ourselves here is: Do we think there is some biological 
reason for this? Obviously there isn’t. So things are wrong as they stand. Are 
we, nevertheless, ok with this current state of affairs? We are not talking 
some minor issue here – if half of the population is under-represented, that is 
a giant intellectual loss (actually for * all * professions that lack 
diversity, childcare included, and of course the loss is not just on the 
intellectual level). 



If you think you have been lucky to work in a place where there is no bias 
against women it just means you are lucky in not being one. If you care to 
know, simply try and put the other side’s shoes on. Start asking your female 
colleagues, friends, partners, students about their experience, moments they 
witnessed were they felt overlooked or deliberately excluded, treated in sexist 
ways, you name it. You will be surprised. 



Then think about the moments, institutions, relationships that have been 
instrumental in your own careers. University meetings and important talks 
routinely held and given in the evenings. Conferences with no childcare. Many 
male researchers only being able to work as much as they do because some female 
is looking after the house and the kids. Babies being colored-coded by gender, 
mummys at home and daddys at work. Girls being told it’s ok to be bad at math. 
You must be joking if you wonder where all the female scientists are! We all 
grow up and are educated in a world that is heavily biased in terms of which 
roles which gender adopts - how are we supposed to not think that this reflects 
some form of “natural” order? There are plenty of other groups that grow up 
systematically underestimating their potentials, just compare students from 
academic homes with those from working class backgrounds. And there is plenty 
of research on the subject. 



The question is if you care to notice this bias, discrimination, lack of equal 
opportunities, and if you care to do something about it - of course we all have 
other things to attend to. But if teaching is part of our job description then 
we have to think about how to be good teachers, and that does not stop at how 
to explain Fourier transforms or python. The reason I suggested a meeting by a 
female group of scientists as only organizers and speakers is because as long 
as we have these male-dominated environments at workshops and meetings the 
respective younger generation will be presented with this order as being the 
natural way things work * because we taught them so *. If we want these younger 
guys to get things right in ways we did not we have to create alternative 
perspectives and come up with new forms of community work. 



Bärbel 




-- 

Bärbel Blaum, PhD 

Inthera Bioscience AG 

Einsiedlerstrasse 34 

CH-8820 Waedenswil 

Switzerland 

E-Mail: baerbel.bl...@intherabio.com 

Phone: +41 43 477 94 72-- 









Von: CCP4 bulletin board  im Auftrag von Susan Lea 
 
Antworten an: Susan Lea  
Datum: Donnerstag, 6. Februar 2020 um 02:21 
An:  
Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 
2020 





Perhaps so

Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Bärbel Blaum]

Dear all,

 

yes, there are more male computational crystallographers than females – the 
question we can ask ourselves here is: Do we think there is some biological 
reason for this? Obviously there isn’t. So things are wrong as they stand. Are 
we, nevertheless, ok with this current state of affairs? We are not talking 
some minor issue here – if half of the population is under-represented, that is 
a giant intellectual loss (actually for *all* professions that lack diversity, 
childcare included, and of course the loss is not just on the intellectual 
level). 

 

If you think you have been lucky to work in a place where there is no bias 
against women it just means you are lucky in not being one. If you care to 
know, simply try and put the other side’s shoes on. Start asking your female 
colleagues, friends, partners, students about their experience, moments they 
witnessed were they felt overlooked or deliberately excluded, treated in sexist 
ways, you name it. You will be surprised. 

 

Then think about the moments, institutions, relationships that have been 
instrumental in your own careers. University meetings and important talks 
routinely held and given in the evenings. Conferences with no childcare. Many 
male researchers only being able to work as much as they do because some female 
is looking after the house and the kids. Babies being colored-coded by gender, 
mummys at home and daddys at work. Girls being told it’s ok to be bad at math. 
You must be joking if you wonder where all the female scientists are! We all 
grow up and are educated in a world that is heavily biased in terms of which 
roles which gender adopts - how are we supposed to not think that this reflects 
some form of “natural” order? There are plenty of other groups that grow up 
systematically underestimating their potentials, just compare students from 
academic homes with those from working class backgrounds. And there is plenty 
of research on the subject. 

 

The question is if you care to notice this bias, discrimination, lack of equal 
opportunities, and if you care to do something about it - of course we all have 
other things to attend to. But if teaching is part of our job description then 
we have to think about how to be good teachers, and that does not stop at how 
to explain Fourier transforms or python. The reason I suggested a meeting by a 
female group of scientists as only organizers and speakers is because as long 
as we have these male-dominated environments at workshops and meetings the 
respective younger generation will be presented with this order as being the 
natural way things work *because we taught them so*. If we want these younger 
guys to get things right in ways we did not we have to create alternative 
perspectives and come up with new forms of community work.

 

Bärbel 

 

-- 

Bärbel Blaum, PhD

Inthera Bioscience AG

Einsiedlerstrasse 34

CH-8820 Waedenswil

Switzerland

E-Mail: baerbel.bl...@intherabio.com

Phone: +41 43 477 94 72--

 

 

 

Von: CCP4 bulletin board  im Auftrag von Susan Lea 

Antworten an: Susan Lea 
Datum: Donnerstag, 6. Februar 2020 um 02:21
An: 
Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 
2020

 

Perhaps some of the respondents to this question should real Angela Saini’s 
Inferior before commenting in public 

Susan

Sent from my iPhone




On 5 Feb 2020, at 19:18, Robert Nicholls  wrote:

 

As a Caucasian male I hesitate to post; I know that there are a lot of people 
who are sensitive to this subject, so feel that I'm treading on eggshells in 
responding... Nevertheless I feel obliged to respond, having a certain amount 
of insight into the topic in the context of these workshops. 

 

Personally I don't find posts such as this - which simply incite (positive) 
discrimination - to be very constructive.

 

>From speaking to organisers and being involved in committees over numerous 
>years I know that gender bias is always very much at the forefront of the 
>organisers' minds when deciding whom to invite. Especially where funding 
>requirements and committees are involved, the issue of gender bias is always 
>raised with a heavy hand. Consequently, in modern times whenever there is a 
>gender bias in our field it is not a result of naivety or discriminative 
>cliqueness, but rather necessity due to the availability of appropriate tutors 
>(as correctly indicated by Rasmus). And as Andrew points out, organising these 
>workshops takes a lot of effort, and as such it is inappropriate to treat the 
>organisers with undue disrespect.

 

Ultimately, the objective is to teach the topics intended to be covered in the 
workshop. For sure, there are a number of very good females who are appropriate 
for teaching on these courses, despite being in the relative minority. I know a 
number of the females who are very able to tutor on such courses, and by 
personal communication I also know why 

Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Anastassis Perrakis]

Dear all,

As this discussion is receiving so much deserving attention, I should say that 
being an organiser of crystallography events in the past and in the future, we 
always strive to *intentionally* achieve a good gender balance of speakers. 
Sometimes we did even well, albeit often not well enough.

I also admit that this is not the case in our CSHL Macromolecular 
Crystallography, https://meetings.cshl.edu/courses.aspx?course=C-CRYS=20 , 
where we have much less women than we would like to as lecturers (while for 
students we typically have more than 50% women).

As I am embarrassed to admit that we might have missed brilliant female 
teachers in the past, If there are any female volunteers for teaching specific 
subjects during the CSHL course, I would really appreciate an Inbox message for 
what you would like to teach, so we can discuss these with the co-organisers 
(at least there now we are super-happy to have Janet after 30 years of male 
domination).

Thanks in advance,

Tassos

>
> El 4 feb. 2020, a la(s) 22:02, Edward Snell
> mailto:esn...@hwi.buffalo.edu><mailto:esn...@hwi.buffalo.edu>>
>  escribió:

>
> ​It is great that this workshop is occurring but I couldn't help but notice
> that there seem to be a lot of male speakers and tutors. I was wondering if
> it might be appropriate to add some female role models. There are some
> great candidates?

>
>
> 
> From: CCP4 bulletin board
> mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK><mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>>
>  on behalf of
> Alejandro Buschiazzo 
> mailto:ale...@pasteur.edu.uy><mailto:ale...@pasteur.edu.uy>>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 7:30 PM
> To: 
> CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK<mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK><mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>
> Subject: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America
> 2020

> Dear colleagues,
>
> We are pleased to announce the 8th South American Macromolecular
> Crystallography School:

> Macromolecular Crystallography School 2020
> "Structural Biology to enhance high impact research in health and disease”
>
> To be held at the Institut Pasteur de Montevideo (Uruguay) - September 9-19,
> 2020

> http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/
>
> The application deadline is July 9, 2020. For further inquiries :
> mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy<mailto:mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy><mailto:mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy>

>
> Main Topics:
>
> •   data processing;
>
> •   phasing and structure determination;
>
> •   model refinement and validation;
>
> •   introduction to crystallography + cryo-electron microscopy
> integration

> Confirmed speakers and tutors (so far... a few more will join the crew):
>
> Alejandro Buschiazzo (Institut Pasteur de Montevideo, Uruguay)
> Paul Emsley (Laboratory of Molecular Biology MRC, Cambridge, UK)
> Rafael Junqueira Borges (Instituto de Biociências UNESP, Botucatu, Brazil)
> Ronan Keegan (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
> Eugene Krissinel (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
> Joāo Muniz (Instituto de Fisica de São Carlos, Brazil)
> Garib Murshudov (Laboratory of Molecular Biology MRC, Cambridge, UK)
> Colin Palmer (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP-EM, Didcot, UK)
> James Parkhurst (Diamond Light Source, Didcot, UK)
> Randy Read (University of Cambridge, UK)
> Kyle Stevenson (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
> Clemens Vonrhein (Global Phasing Ltd, Cambridge, UK)
>
> Please find the application form and further contact information at
> http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/
 (this www site will be updated
> regularly, so stay tuned!)
>
> This Workshop is supported by the Collaborative Computational Project Nº4
> (CCP4, UK) & Science and Technology Facilities Council (UK); the Centro de
> Biologia Estructural del Mercosur (CeBEM); and the Programa Iberoamericano
> de Ciencia y Tecnologia para el Desarrollo (CYTED) through de MICROBES
> consortium.

> Organizers:
> Alejandro Buschiazzo, PhD. Institut Pasteur de Montevideo, Uruguay
> Kyle Stevenson, DPhil. CCP4, STFC Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, United
> Kingdom
 Richard Garratt, PhD. Instituto de Fisica de Sao Carlos, USP,
> Brazil
> Applicants:
> 25 students will be selected, prioritizing advanced PhD, postdocs and young
> researchers. The Course will provide financial support covering
> registration fees, and for the case of those students coming from abroad,
> all local expenses (lodging, per diem and local transportation). Look in
> the www site for details on application procedures.




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Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[M Y]


Dear all, 

Glad to hear the awareness of sensitive ethical issues. From the observation of 
being in the crystallographic field for many years, the treatment and 
recognition for female minorities are probably much more profound than looking 
at the apparent numbers in tutoring the training courses or presenting in the 
conferences. The concerns of receiving adversity to their own careers by 
speaking out the unethical doings especially the involvement of the powerful 
people in high positions, how to get community support to weak individuals, how 
to worry about “easy to say than to do” to hope for the supposed integrity vs 
power to get whom to be protected in reality ... ... are not exaggerating, 
which may easily result in the silence... ...  So I am impressed by people’s 
brave discussions here for the positive voices. I didn’t attend many training 
courses to be able to comment much, however, without curing the roots of the 
cause for the respect, attention, encouragement, recognition and fair 
employment to the female minorities, the eventual low numbers in tutoring or 
presenting would not be surprising. This gives the challenging to the workshop 
organisers for the immediate numbers but it’s not their fault for the years of 
trends or the covered problems. Instead, the organisers do deserve the credits 
of the efforts to serve the community. 

With experiences of using various synchrotrons, software, successfully having 
solved about 50 crystal structures for unique proteins, supported several 
hundreds of users in a few years and supervised about 20 undergraduate students 
in the past... ... if needed someday in a suitable occasion I would be happy to 
talk up to 1-2 hours in practical ways how to carefully handle from protein to 
structure in every step in the crystallographic pipeline to maximise the 
results. 

Thank you very much for this community forum! 

Minmin

>> On 6 Feb 2020, at 07:26, Petr Kolenko  wrote:
> 
> I apologize for the 1st April joke, but I could not resist. And it would not 
> be actual in three months. I guess that if the workshop were announced this 
> way, nobody would even care.
>  
> Dear colleagues,
> We are pleased to announce the 8th South American Macromolecular 
> Crystallography School:
> Macromolecular Crystallography School 2020
> "Structural Biology to enhance high impact research in health and disease”
>  
> To be held at the Institut Pasteur de Montevideo (Uruguay) - September 9-19, 
> 2020
> http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/
> The application deadline is July 9, 2020. For further inquiries : 
> mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy
>  
> Preliminary list of speakers:
> https://orcid.org/-0002-2509-6526
> https://orcid.org/-0002-0138-5227
> https://orcid.org/-0002-9495-0431
> https://orcid.org/-0003-1267-7185
> https://orcid.org/-0001-6483-3587
> ... and more to be confirmed.
>  
> Wake up guys! It is the GDPR time! At least here in Europe. Glad to having no 
> religion assigned to the speakers ...
> And a bit serious word. At our (technical) university, we previously had 
> total dominance of male students and the ratio was about 40:1 or even higher. 
> After twenty years, we have very balanced representation. Maybe it is only a 
> matter of time and it will be different. One can not change everything 
> immediately.
> Best regards,
> Petr
>  
> PS: I hope that nobody is offended.
>  
> From: CCP4 bulletin board  On Behalf Of Robert Nicholls
> Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 2:27 AM
> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South 
> America 2020
>  
> Dear Susan,
> For one I'm already committed to 7 workshops this year so far, with more to 
> be confirmed. And for sure I'm by no means an anomoly - no doubt others 
> within the community would tell a similar tale. The commitment to workshops 
> for the CCP4 core team and various software deveopers is a burden. It's no 
> secret that there's room for expansion in the computational crystallography 
> community, and that CCP4 is enthusiastic to support such expansion - please 
> contact CCP4 if you are enthusiastic to actively work in this direction.
> Rob
>  
> 
> 
> On 6 Feb 2020, at 01:10, Susan Lea  wrote:
>  
> Dear Tim
> I’m already teaching at 3 workshops this year - there are many others who 
> could do a better job (and who are also women)
> Susan
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On 5 Feb 2020, at 12:21, Roversi, Pietro (Dr.)  wrote:
> 
> 
> Dear all,
>  
> my twopenny worth - when Helen Walden and I put together the 2013 CCP4 
> Weekend list of speakers,
> we were delighted to end up with a not-so-gender-imbalanced list of speakers,
> but we did achieve that balance *intentionally*.
>  
> As we 

Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Petr Kolenko]

I apologize for the 1st April joke, but I could not resist. And it would not be 
actual in three months. I guess that if the workshop were announced this way, 
nobody would even care.

Dear colleagues,
We are pleased to announce the 8th South American Macromolecular 
Crystallography School:
Macromolecular Crystallography School 2020
"Structural Biology to enhance high impact research in health and disease”

To be held at the Institut Pasteur de Montevideo (Uruguay) - September 9-19, 
2020
http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/
The application deadline is July 9, 2020. For further inquiries : 
mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy

Preliminary list of speakers:
https://orcid.org/-0002-2509-6526
https://orcid.org/-0002-0138-5227
https://orcid.org/-0002-9495-0431
https://orcid.org/-0003-1267-7185
https://orcid.org/-0001-6483-3587
... and more to be confirmed.

Wake up guys! It is the GDPR time! At least here in Europe. Glad to having no 
religion assigned to the speakers ...
And a bit serious word. At our (technical) university, we previously had total 
dominance of male students and the ratio was about 40:1 or even higher. After 
twenty years, we have very balanced representation. Maybe it is only a matter 
of time and it will be different. One can not change everything immediately.
Best regards,
Petr

PS: I hope that nobody is offended.

From: CCP4 bulletin board  On Behalf Of Robert Nicholls
Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 2:27 AM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 
2020

Dear Susan,
For one I'm already committed to 7 workshops this year so far, with more to be 
confirmed. And for sure I'm by no means an anomoly - no doubt others within the 
community would tell a similar tale. The commitment to workshops for the CCP4 
core team and various software deveopers is a burden. It's no secret that 
there's room for expansion in the computational crystallography community, and 
that CCP4 is enthusiastic to support such expansion - please contact CCP4 if 
you are enthusiastic to actively work in this direction.
Rob



On 6 Feb 2020, at 01:10, Susan Lea 
mailto:susan@path.ox.ac.uk>> wrote:

Dear Tim
I’m already teaching at 3 workshops this year - there are many others who could 
do a better job (and who are also women)
Susan
Sent from my iPhone


On 5 Feb 2020, at 12:21, Roversi, Pietro (Dr.) 
mailto:pr...@leicester.ac.uk>> wrote:

Dear all,

my twopenny worth - when Helen Walden and I put together the 2013 CCP4 Weekend 
list of speakers,
we were delighted to end up with a not-so-gender-imbalanced list of speakers,
but we did achieve that balance *intentionally*.

As we attempt to redress a de facto longstanding bias against women in the 
workplace,
everybody in charge of this kind of decision is expected to *intentionally* 
look for excellent women scientists.

They will find them if they look - and the event will be better because of 
participation of women as well as
male scientists.

with best wishes,

Pietro



Pietro Roversi
Lecturer (Teaching and Research) https://le.ac.uk/natural-sciences/
LISCB Wellcome Trust ISSF Fellow
https://le.ac.uk/liscb/research-groups/pietro-roversi

Leicester Institute of Structural and Chemical Biology
Department of Molecular and Cell Biology, University of Leicester
Henry Wellcome Building
Lancaster Road, Leicester, LE1 7HB
England, United Kingdom

Tel. +44 (0)116 2297237



From: CCP4 bulletin board on behalf of Tim Gruene
Sent: Wednesday, 05 February 2020 16:18
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK<mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 
2020

Dear Susan, dear Silvia,

why don't both of you offer to teach as tutors at this CCP4 workshop?

I do not believe that this 'imbalance' has been done intentionally by any of
the people involved.

Both of you should take a step forward, tutor in South America. In case your
offer is rejected, you may start to argue.

Best regards,
Tim

On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 1:48:32 PM CET Susan Lea wrote:
> ‘Role’ models are not what are needed - just a better representation of our
> community. This is lazy scheduling and in a community where there have
> always been influential women we should do better - CCP4 has let the whole
> community down by allowing their name to be associated with this.
 Perhaps
> we could encourage the speakers to do as many of my colleagues have started
> to do - ask who else is speaking at a meeting and refuse to participate if
> the list does not reflect the community.
> Susan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 5 Feb 2020, at 07:38, Silvia Onesti 
> mailto:silvia.one...@elettra.eu>> wrote:
>
>  Maybe CCP4 should explicitely ask for gender balance before sponsoring a
> workshop?

> Silvia
>
> -
> Sil

Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Robert Nicholls]

Dear Susan,
For one I'm already committed to 7 workshops this year so far, with more to be 
confirmed. And for sure I'm by no means an anomoly - no doubt others within the 
community would tell a similar tale. The commitment to workshops for the CCP4 
core team and various software deveopers is a burden. It's no secret that 
there's room for expansion in the computational crystallography community, and 
that CCP4 is enthusiastic to support such expansion - please contact CCP4 if 
you are enthusiastic to actively work in this direction.
Rob


> On 6 Feb 2020, at 01:10, Susan Lea  wrote:
> 
> Dear Tim
> I’m already teaching at 3 workshops this year - there are many others who 
> could do a better job (and who are also women)
> Susan
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 5 Feb 2020, at 12:21, Roversi, Pietro (Dr.)  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> my twopenny worth - when Helen Walden and I put together the 2013 CCP4 
>> Weekend list of speakers,
>> we were delighted to end up with a not-so-gender-imbalanced list of speakers,
>> but we did achieve that balance *intentionally*. 
>> 
>> As we attempt to redress a de facto longstanding bias against women in the 
>> workplace,
>> everybody in charge of this kind of decision is expected to *intentionally* 
>> look for excellent women scientists.
>> 
>> They will find them if they look - and the event will be better because of 
>> participation of women as well as
>> male scientists.
>> 
>> with best wishes,
>> 
>> Pietro
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Pietro Roversi
>> Lecturer (Teaching and Research) https://le.ac.uk/natural-sciences/ 
>> <https://le.ac.uk/natural-sciences/>
>> LISCB Wellcome Trust ISSF Fellow
>>  
>> <https://bit.ly/2I4Wm5Z>https://le.ac.uk/liscb/research-groups/pietro-roversi
>>  <https://le.ac.uk/liscb/research-groups/pietro-roversi>
>> 
>> Leicester Institute of Structural and Chemical Biology
>> Department of Molecular and Cell Biology, University of Leicester
>> Henry Wellcome Building
>> Lancaster Road, Leicester, LE1 7HB
>> England, United Kingdom
>> 
>> Tel. +44 (0)116 2297237
>> 
>> 
>>  From: CCP4 bulletin board on behalf of Tim Gruene
>> Sent: Wednesday, 05 February 2020 16:18
>> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
>> Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South 
>> America 2020
>> 
>> Dear Susan, dear Silvia,
>> 
>> why don't both of you offer to teach as tutors at this CCP4 workshop?
>> 
>> I do not believe that this 'imbalance' has been done intentionally by any of 
>> the people involved. 
>> 
>> Both of you should take a step forward, tutor in South America. In case your 
>> offer is rejected, you may start to argue.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Tim
>> 
>> On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 1:48:32 PM CET Susan Lea wrote:
>> > ‘Role’ models are not what are needed - just a better representation of our
>> > community. This is lazy scheduling and in a community where there have
>> > always been influential women we should do better - CCP4 has let the whole
>> > community down by allowing their name to be associated with this.
>>  Perhaps
>> > we could encourage the speakers to do as many of my colleagues have started
>> > to do - ask who else is speaking at a meeting and refuse to participate if
>> > the list does not reflect the community. 
>> > Susan
>> > 
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> > 
>> > On 5 Feb 2020, at 07:38, Silvia Onesti  wrote:
>> > 
>> >  Maybe CCP4 should explicitely ask for gender balance before sponsoring a
>> > workshop?
>>  
>> > Silvia
>> > 
>> > -
>> > Silvia Onesti - Head of Structural Biology
>> > 
>> > Elettra - Sincrotrone Trieste S.C.p.A.
>> > AREA Science Park, 34149 Basovizza, Trieste ITALY
>> > 
>> > Email: silvia.one...@elettra.eu<mailto:silvia.one...@elettra.eu>
>> > Tel. +39 040 3758451  Mob +39 366 6878001
>> > 
>> > http://www.elettra.trieste.it/People/SilviaOnesti 
>> > <http://www.elettra.trieste.it/People/SilviaOnesti>
>> > http://www.elettra.trieste.it/labs/structural-biology 
>> > <http://www.elettra.trieste.it/labs/structural-biology>
>> > ---
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On 5 Feb 2020, 

Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Susan Lea]

, not downstream. A very vague scientific analogy would be: attempting to 
correct for an experimental error, versus trying to improve the experiment so 
that the error is not such an issue.

I feel that this is a very prevalent problem in our community at present. I 
quote from a relevant post advertisement: "Female scientists are particularly 
encouraged to apply". I feel that this additional qualification should be 
irrelevant. Furthermore I feel that, if anything, such clarifications only 
serve to exacerbate sexual discrimination - this demeans the commendable 
efforts that have been made over the past century to ensure unconditional 
equality amongst humanity, let alone within science.

Until there is a natural balance of individuals wishing to enter computational 
methods development, it seems that at present we as a community have to choose 
between one evil or another: accepting that there will be a gender imbalance, 
versus enforcing an unnatural positive discrimination in order to balance the 
gender ratio.

Tim suggests that females capable and willing to teach in such workshops should 
contact CCP4 in order to offer their services. No doubt such offers would be 
gladly appreciated, and might avoid such public challenges being made in 
future. It should be noted that many of the tutors who agree to attending these 
workshops do so for reasonably altruistic purposes, often in detriment to their 
work-life balance.

With best regards,
Rob


Dr Rob Nicholls
Senior Investigator Scientist
MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology
Francis Crick Avenue
Cambridge Biomedical Campus
Cambridge CB2 0QH



On 5 Feb 2020, at 21:30, Crissy Lynette Tarver 
mailto:cltar...@stanford.edu>> wrote:

A similar workshop is taught annually here at SSRL. I was a tutor for the 
hands-on workshop in 2019, and I found an even gender distribution among the 
speakers/tutors. Even though not all of the females were developers of 
crystallographic software, they are expert users and instructors. Here is a 
link to the online program for anyone interested:

https://www-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu/rapidata/rapidata-2019/schedule.html

Crissy L Tarver
Postdoctoral Researcher
Department of Structural Biology
Stanford University School of Medicine

From: CCP4 bulletin board mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>> 
on behalf of Eleanor Dodson 
<176a9d5ebad7-dmarc-requ...@jiscmail.ac.uk<mailto:176a9d5ebad7-dmarc-requ...@jiscmail.ac.uk>>
Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 12:26:53 PM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK<mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK> 
mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>>
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 
2020

Hmmm - interesting discussion but no-one has stated the obvious. There were at 
least fifteen years of my life (ang Guy's) when we were just TOO busy to 
contemplate travelling so far, even if invited. Mixing  family responsibilities 
with any effective working meant we did not stray far away from home.  That 
must rule out many younger people - we should all be grateful for those who are 
willing and able to teach.
I hope the organisers recruit as many local tutors as they can, and that there 
is no "gender bias" there.
Good luck to everyone involved.
Eleanor

On Wed, 5 Feb 2020 at 20:04, Newman, Janet (Manufacturing, Parkville) 
mailto:janet.new...@csiro.au>> wrote:
Hi all,

Interesting discussion, and personally, I think Rasmus has hit the nail on the 
head. Here is a challenge to the CCP4bb - can we make a list 10 female 
developers of crystallographic software who would be appropriate invitees as 
instructors to this course? (I can only think of 4)

Cheers, Janet

Janet Newman
Principal Scientist / Director, Collaborative Crystallisation Centre (C3)
CSIRO Material Science and Engineering
343 Royal Parade
Parkville.  VIC. 3052
Australia
Tel +613 9662 7326
Email janet.new...@csiro.au<mailto:janet.new...@csiro.au>


From: CCP4 bulletin board mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>> 
on behalf of Rasmus Fogh 
mailto:rhf...@globalphasing.com>>
Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 6:26 AM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK<mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK> 
mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>>
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 
2020

Hi,

People may have missed that this particular meeting is not about
presenting ideas or research results. The meeting is billed as a
"Hands-on workshop with lectures, practical tutorials and plenty of time
for problems-solving with X-ray diffraction data", for people who are
already beyond the basics and actively doing crystallography.
Participants are encouraged to come with their own, likely quite
difficult, data, and the tutors are expected to not only present
strategies and programs for data processing, refinement and model
building at master level, but provide in-depth individual explanations,
deal 

Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Susan Lea]

Dear Tim
I’m already teaching at 3 workshops this year - there are many others who could 
do a better job (and who are also women)
Susan

Sent from my iPhone

On 5 Feb 2020, at 12:21, Roversi, Pietro (Dr.)  wrote:


Dear all,

my twopenny worth - when Helen Walden and I put together the 2013 CCP4 Weekend 
list of speakers,
we were delighted to end up with a not-so-gender-imbalanced list of speakers,
but we did achieve that balance *intentionally*.

As we attempt to redress a de facto longstanding bias against women in the 
workplace,
everybody in charge of this kind of decision is expected to *intentionally* 
look for excellent women scientists.

They will find them if they look - and the event will be better because of 
participation of women as well as
male scientists.

with best wishes,

Pietro




Pietro Roversi

Lecturer (Teaching and Research) https://le.ac.uk/natural-sciences/

LISCB Wellcome Trust ISSF Fellow

<https://bit.ly/2I4Wm5Z>https://le.ac.uk/liscb/research-groups/pietro-roversi


Leicester Institute of Structural and Chemical Biology
Department of Molecular and Cell Biology, University of Leicester
Henry Wellcome Building
Lancaster Road, Leicester, LE1 7HB
England, United Kingdom

Tel. +44 (0)116 2297237



From: CCP4 bulletin board on behalf of Tim Gruene
Sent: Wednesday, 05 February 2020 16:18
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 
2020

Dear Susan, dear Silvia,

why don't both of you offer to teach as tutors at this CCP4 workshop?

I do not believe that this 'imbalance' has been done intentionally by any of
the people involved.

Both of you should take a step forward, tutor in South America. In case your
offer is rejected, you may start to argue.

Best regards,
Tim

On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 1:48:32 PM CET Susan Lea wrote:
> ‘Role’ models are not what are needed - just a better representation of our
> community. This is lazy scheduling and in a community where there have
> always been influential women we should do better - CCP4 has let the whole
> community down by allowing their name to be associated with this.
 Perhaps
> we could encourage the speakers to do as many of my colleagues have started
> to do - ask who else is speaking at a meeting and refuse to participate if
> the list does not reflect the community.
> Susan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 5 Feb 2020, at 07:38, Silvia Onesti  wrote:
>
>  Maybe CCP4 should explicitely ask for gender balance before sponsoring a
> workshop?

> Silvia
>
> -
> Silvia Onesti - Head of Structural Biology
>
> Elettra - Sincrotrone Trieste S.C.p.A.
> AREA Science Park, 34149 Basovizza, Trieste ITALY
>
> Email: silvia.one...@elettra.eu<mailto:silvia.one...@elettra.eu>
> Tel. +39 040 3758451  Mob +39 366 6878001
>
> http://www.elettra.trieste.it/People/SilviaOnesti
> http://www.elettra.trieste.it/labs/structural-biology
> ---
>
>
> On 5 Feb 2020, at 03:09, Alejandro Buschiazzo
> mailto:ale...@pasteur.edu.uy>> wrote:

> Thank you for your comment, we cannot agree more.
>
> We are aware of this, and still are in the process of inviting a few more
> speakers.
 We shall  thus bring more  women on board, and achieve a
> balanced group!
> Cheers,
> Alejandro (on behalf of the organizers)
>
>
> El 4 feb. 2020, a la(s) 22:02, Edward Snell
> mailto:esn...@hwi.buffalo.edu>> escribió:

>
> ​It is great that this workshop is occurring but I couldn't help but notice
> that there seem to be a lot of male speakers and tutors. I was wondering if
> it might be appropriate to add some female role models. There are some
> great candidates?

>
>
> 
> From: CCP4 bulletin board
> mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>> on behalf of
> Alejandro Buschiazzo mailto:ale...@pasteur.edu.uy>>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 7:30 PM
> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK<mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>
> Subject: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America
> 2020

> Dear colleagues,
>
> We are pleased to announce the 8th South American Macromolecular
> Crystallography School:

> Macromolecular Crystallography School 2020
> "Structural Biology to enhance high impact research in health and disease”
>
> To be held at the Institut Pasteur de Montevideo (Uruguay) - September 9-19,
> 2020

> http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/
>
> The application deadline is July 9, 2020. For further inquiries :
> mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy<mailto:mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy>

>
> Main Topics:
>
> •   data processing;
>
> •   phasing and structure

Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Robert Nicholls]

 that this is a very prevalent problem in our community at present. I 
quote from a relevant post advertisement: "Female scientists are particularly 
encouraged to apply". I feel that this additional qualification should be 
irrelevant. Furthermore I feel that, if anything, such clarifications only 
serve to exacerbate sexual discrimination - this demeans the commendable 
efforts that have been made over the past century to ensure unconditional 
equality amongst humanity, let alone within science.

Until there is a natural balance of individuals wishing to enter computational 
methods development, it seems that at present we as a community have to choose 
between one evil or another: accepting that there will be a gender imbalance, 
versus enforcing an unnatural positive discrimination in order to balance the 
gender ratio.

Tim suggests that females capable and willing to teach in such workshops should 
contact CCP4 in order to offer their services. No doubt such offers would be 
gladly appreciated, and might avoid such public challenges being made in 
future. It should be noted that many of the tutors who agree to attending these 
workshops do so for reasonably altruistic purposes, often in detriment to their 
work-life balance. 

With best regards,
Rob


Dr Rob Nicholls
Senior Investigator Scientist
MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology
Francis Crick Avenue
Cambridge Biomedical Campus
Cambridge CB2 0QH



> On 5 Feb 2020, at 21:30, Crissy Lynette Tarver  wrote:
> 
> A similar workshop is taught annually here at SSRL. I was a tutor for the 
> hands-on workshop in 2019, and I found an even gender distribution among the 
> speakers/tutors. Even though not all of the females were developers of 
> crystallographic software, they are expert users and instructors. Here is a 
> link to the online program for anyone interested:
> 
> https://www-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu/rapidata/rapidata-2019/schedule.html
> 
> Crissy L Tarver
> Postdoctoral Researcher
> Department of Structural Biology
> Stanford University School of Medicine
> From: CCP4 bulletin board  on behalf of Eleanor Dodson 
> <176a9d5ebad7-dmarc-requ...@jiscmail.ac.uk>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 12:26:53 PM
> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK 
> Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South 
> America 2020
>  
> Hmmm - interesting discussion but no-one has stated the obvious. There were 
> at least fifteen years of my life (ang Guy's) when we were just TOO busy to 
> contemplate travelling so far, even if invited. Mixing  family 
> responsibilities with any effective working meant we did not stray far away 
> from home.  That must rule out many younger people - we should all be 
> grateful for those who are willing and able to teach. 
> I hope the organisers recruit as many local tutors as they can, and that 
> there is no "gender bias" there. 
> Good luck to everyone involved.
> Eleanor
> 
> On Wed, 5 Feb 2020 at 20:04, Newman, Janet (Manufacturing, Parkville) 
>  wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Interesting discussion, and personally, I think Rasmus has hit the nail on 
> the head. Here is a challenge to the CCP4bb - can we make a list 10 female 
> developers of crystallographic software who would be appropriate invitees as 
> instructors to this course? (I can only think of 4)
> 
> Cheers, Janet
> 
> Janet Newman
> Principal Scientist / Director, Collaborative Crystallisation Centre (C3)
> CSIRO Material Science and Engineering
> 343 Royal Parade 
> Parkville.  VIC. 3052
> Australia
> Tel +613 9662 7326
> Email janet.new...@csiro.au
> 
> From: CCP4 bulletin board  <mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>> on behalf of Rasmus Fogh 
> mailto:rhf...@globalphasing.com>>
> Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 6:26 AM
> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK <mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK> 
> mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>>
> Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South 
> America 2020
>  
> Hi,
> 
> People may have missed that this particular meeting is not about 
> presenting ideas or research results. The meeting is billed as a 
> "Hands-on workshop with lectures, practical tutorials and plenty of time 
> for problems-solving with X-ray diffraction data", for people who are 
> already beyond the basics and actively doing crystallography. 
> Participants are encouraged to come with their own, likely quite 
> difficult, data, and the tutors are expected to not only present 
> strategies and programs for data processing, refinement and model 
> building at master level, but provide in-depth individual explanations, 
> deal with quirks of the various programs, and do immediate problem 
> solving on projects they have never seen before. This requires tutors 
> with both a

Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Crissy Lynette Tarver]

A similar workshop is taught annually here at SSRL. I was a tutor for the 
hands-on workshop in 2019, and I found an even gender distribution among the 
speakers/tutors. Even though not all of the females were developers of 
crystallographic software, they are expert users and instructors. Here is a 
link to the online program for anyone interested:

https://www-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu/rapidata/rapidata-2019/schedule.html

Crissy L Tarver
Postdoctoral Researcher
Department of Structural Biology
Stanford University School of Medicine

From: CCP4 bulletin board  on behalf of Eleanor Dodson 
<176a9d5ebad7-dmarc-requ...@jiscmail.ac.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 12:26:53 PM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK 
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 
2020

Hmmm - interesting discussion but no-one has stated the obvious. There were at 
least fifteen years of my life (ang Guy's) when we were just TOO busy to 
contemplate travelling so far, even if invited. Mixing  family responsibilities 
with any effective working meant we did not stray far away from home.  That 
must rule out many younger people - we should all be grateful for those who are 
willing and able to teach.
I hope the organisers recruit as many local tutors as they can, and that there 
is no "gender bias" there.
Good luck to everyone involved.
Eleanor

On Wed, 5 Feb 2020 at 20:04, Newman, Janet (Manufacturing, Parkville) 
 wrote:
Hi all,

Interesting discussion, and personally, I think Rasmus has hit the nail on the 
head. Here is a challenge to the CCP4bb - can we make a list 10 female 
developers of crystallographic software who would be appropriate invitees as 
instructors to this course? (I can only think of 4)

Cheers, Janet

Janet Newman
Principal Scientist / Director, Collaborative Crystallisation Centre (C3)
CSIRO Material Science and Engineering
343 Royal Parade
Parkville.  VIC. 3052
Australia
Tel +613 9662 7326
Email janet.new...@csiro.au


From: CCP4 bulletin board mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>> 
on behalf of Rasmus Fogh 
mailto:rhf...@globalphasing.com>>
Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 6:26 AM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK<mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK> 
mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>>
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 
2020

Hi,

People may have missed that this particular meeting is not about
presenting ideas or research results. The meeting is billed as a
"Hands-on workshop with lectures, practical tutorials and plenty of time
for problems-solving with X-ray diffraction data", for people who are
already beyond the basics and actively doing crystallography.
Participants are encouraged to come with their own, likely quite
difficult, data, and the tutors are expected to not only present
strategies and programs for data processing, refinement and model
building at master level, but provide in-depth individual explanations,
deal with quirks of the various programs, and do immediate problem
solving on projects they have never seen before. This requires tutors
with both a detailed understanding of the software and extensive
experience in using it, and the tutors on the speaker list are generally
top developers from the groups that actually develop the software.
Collectively the tutors have to cover all aspects of the field. A
further limit is that such workshops (though not this particular one)
are often held at synchrotrons, which adds the requirement of setting up
and running actual experiments for people, without prior knowledge of
their projects. Understandably the limited group of people who have
developed experience in this kind of activity tend to reappear at
workshop after workshop.

Crystallography as a discipline is certainly full of highly qualified
women, but the scope for asking "more junior women" to teach these
particular workshops - or in general for broadening the base of tutors -
is limited by the fact that the pool of people with the qualifications
and experience to teach such courses at a high level is truly tiny.

Yours,

Rasmus Fogh


On 05/02/2020 18:21, Diana Tomchick wrote:
> Then ask more “junior women.” This isn’t rocket science, after alll.
>
> Diana
>
> **
> Diana R. Tomchick
> Department of Biophysics, Rm. ND10.214A
> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Dallas, TX 75061 USA
> 214-645-6383 (office)
>
>> On Feb 5, 2020, at 12:09 PM, Goldman, Adrian
>> mailto:adrian.gold...@helsinki.fi>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> EXTERNAL MAIL
>>
>> Phoebe and all,
>>
>> What I heard recently (I have no idea whether it applies in this
>> particular case…) is that organisers of conferences/meetings often
>> have considerable difficulty getting women speakers 

Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Crissy L. Tarver]

A similar workshop is taught annually here at SSRL. I was a tutor for the
hands-on workshop in 2019, and I found an even gender distribution among
the speakers/tutors. Even though not all of the females were developers of
crystallographic software, they are expert users and instructors. Here is a
link to the online program for anyone interested:

https://www-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu/rapidata/rapidata-2019/schedule.html


On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 12:29 PM Eleanor Dodson <
176a9d5ebad7-dmarc-requ...@jiscmail.ac.uk> wrote:

> Hmmm - interesting discussion but no-one has stated the obvious. There
> were at least fifteen years of my life (ang Guy's) when we were just TOO
> busy to contemplate travelling so far, even if invited. Mixing  family
> responsibilities with any effective working meant we did not stray far away
> from home.  That must rule out many younger people - we should all be
> grateful for those who are willing and able to teach.
> I hope the organisers recruit as many local tutors as they can, and that
> there is no "gender bias" there.
> Good luck to everyone involved.
> Eleanor
>
> On Wed, 5 Feb 2020 at 20:04, Newman, Janet (Manufacturing, Parkville)
>  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Interesting discussion, and personally, I think Rasmus has hit the nail
>> on the head. Here is a challenge to the CCP4bb - can we make a list 10
>> female developers of crystallographic software who would be appropriate
>> invitees as instructors to this course? (I can only think of 4)
>>
>> Cheers, Janet
>>
>> Janet Newman
>> Principal Scientist / Director, Collaborative Crystallisation Centre (C3)
>> CSIRO Material Science and Engineering
>> 343 Royal Parade
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/343+Royal+Parade++%0D%0AParkville.%C2%A0+VIC.+3052+%0D%0AAustralia?entry=gmail=g>
>> Parkville.  VIC. 3052
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/343+Royal+Parade++%0D%0AParkville.%C2%A0+VIC.+3052+%0D%0AAustralia?entry=gmail=g>
>> Australia
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/343+Royal+Parade++%0D%0AParkville.%C2%A0+VIC.+3052+%0D%0AAustralia?entry=gmail=g>
>> Tel +613 9662 7326
>> Email janet.new...@csiro.au
>>
>> ----------
>> *From:* CCP4 bulletin board  on behalf of Rasmus
>> Fogh 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 6:26 AM
>> *To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK 
>> *Subject:* Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South
>> America 2020
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> People may have missed that this particular meeting is not about
>> presenting ideas or research results. The meeting is billed as a
>> "Hands-on workshop with lectures, practical tutorials and plenty of time
>> for problems-solving with X-ray diffraction data", for people who are
>> already beyond the basics and actively doing crystallography.
>> Participants are encouraged to come with their own, likely quite
>> difficult, data, and the tutors are expected to not only present
>> strategies and programs for data processing, refinement and model
>> building at master level, but provide in-depth individual explanations,
>> deal with quirks of the various programs, and do immediate problem
>> solving on projects they have never seen before. This requires tutors
>> with both a detailed understanding of the software and extensive
>> experience in using it, and the tutors on the speaker list are generally
>> top developers from the groups that actually develop the software.
>> Collectively the tutors have to cover all aspects of the field. A
>> further limit is that such workshops (though not this particular one)
>> are often held at synchrotrons, which adds the requirement of setting up
>> and running actual experiments for people, without prior knowledge of
>> their projects. Understandably the limited group of people who have
>> developed experience in this kind of activity tend to reappear at
>> workshop after workshop.
>>
>> Crystallography as a discipline is certainly full of highly qualified
>> women, but the scope for asking "more junior women" to teach these
>> particular workshops - or in general for broadening the base of tutors -
>> is limited by the fact that the pool of people with the qualifications
>> and experience to teach such courses at a high level is truly tiny.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Rasmus Fogh
>>
>>
>> On 05/02/2020 18:21, Diana Tomchick wrote:
>> > Then ask more “junior women.” This isn’t rocket science, after alll.
>> >
>> > Diana
>> >
>> > **
>> > Diana R. Tom

Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Newman, Janet (Manufacturing, Parkville)]

Hi all,

Interesting discussion, and personally, I think Rasmus has hit the nail on the 
head. Here is a challenge to the CCP4bb - can we make a list 10 female 
developers of crystallographic software who would be appropriate invitees as 
instructors to this course? (I can only think of 4)

Cheers, Janet

Janet Newman
Principal Scientist / Director, Collaborative Crystallisation Centre (C3)
CSIRO Material Science and Engineering
343 Royal Parade
Parkville.  VIC. 3052
Australia
Tel +613 9662 7326
Email janet.new...@csiro.au


From: CCP4 bulletin board  on behalf of Rasmus Fogh 

Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 6:26 AM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK 
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 
2020

Hi,

People may have missed that this particular meeting is not about
presenting ideas or research results. The meeting is billed as a
"Hands-on workshop with lectures, practical tutorials and plenty of time
for problems-solving with X-ray diffraction data", for people who are
already beyond the basics and actively doing crystallography.
Participants are encouraged to come with their own, likely quite
difficult, data, and the tutors are expected to not only present
strategies and programs for data processing, refinement and model
building at master level, but provide in-depth individual explanations,
deal with quirks of the various programs, and do immediate problem
solving on projects they have never seen before. This requires tutors
with both a detailed understanding of the software and extensive
experience in using it, and the tutors on the speaker list are generally
top developers from the groups that actually develop the software.
Collectively the tutors have to cover all aspects of the field. A
further limit is that such workshops (though not this particular one)
are often held at synchrotrons, which adds the requirement of setting up
and running actual experiments for people, without prior knowledge of
their projects. Understandably the limited group of people who have
developed experience in this kind of activity tend to reappear at
workshop after workshop.

Crystallography as a discipline is certainly full of highly qualified
women, but the scope for asking "more junior women" to teach these
particular workshops - or in general for broadening the base of tutors -
is limited by the fact that the pool of people with the qualifications
and experience to teach such courses at a high level is truly tiny.

Yours,

Rasmus Fogh


On 05/02/2020 18:21, Diana Tomchick wrote:
> Then ask more “junior women.” This isn’t rocket science, after alll.
>
> Diana
>
> **
> Diana R. Tomchick
> Department of Biophysics, Rm. ND10.214A
> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Dallas, TX 75061 USA
> 214-645-6383 (office)
>
>> On Feb 5, 2020, at 12:09 PM, Goldman, Adrian
>>  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> EXTERNAL MAIL
>>
>> Phoebe and all,
>>
>> What I heard recently (I have no idea whether it applies in this
>> particular case…) is that organisers of conferences/meetings often
>> have considerable difficulty getting women speakers in the first place
>> - apparently 85% of the XYs asked say “yes” and only 50% (less?) of
>> the XXs. Presumably not to GRCs, or to keynote a major international
>> symposium - but ? Precisely for this kind of event. I was told this is
>> because the senior women get asked more often, as there are (qv) fewer
>> of them, and so there is meeting-attendance-burnout.
>>
>> Adrian
>>
>>> On 5 Feb 2020, at 18:00, Phoebe A. Rice >> <mailto:pr...@uchicago.edu>> wrote:
>>>
>>> While there is some truth to that argument, the problem is that it is
>>> harder to achieve an international reputation in the first place
>>> while being routinely overlooked.
>>> ~~~
>>> Phoebe A. Rice
>>> Dept. of Biochem & Mol. Biol. and
>>>   Committee on Microbiology
>>> https://voices.uchicago.edu/phoebericelab/
>>> *From:*CCP4 bulletin board >> <mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>> on behalf of Andrew Leslie
>>> mailto:and...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>>
>>> *Reply-To:*Andrew Leslie >> <mailto:and...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>>
>>> *Date:*Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 11:56 AM
>>> *To:*"CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK <mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>"
>>> mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>>
>>> *Subject:*Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in
>>> South America 2020
>>> Dear All,
>>>   In fairness to the organisers, I would like to point
>>> out that there i

Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Rasmus Fogh]

Hi,

People may have missed that this particular meeting is not about 
presenting ideas or research results. The meeting is billed as a 
"Hands-on workshop with lectures, practical tutorials and plenty of time 
for problems-solving with X-ray diffraction data", for people who are 
already beyond the basics and actively doing crystallography. 
Participants are encouraged to come with their own, likely quite 
difficult, data, and the tutors are expected to not only present 
strategies and programs for data processing, refinement and model 
building at master level, but provide in-depth individual explanations, 
deal with quirks of the various programs, and do immediate problem 
solving on projects they have never seen before. This requires tutors 
with both a detailed understanding of the software and extensive 
experience in using it, and the tutors on the speaker list are generally 
top developers from the groups that actually develop the software. 
Collectively the tutors have to cover all aspects of the field. A 
further limit is that such workshops (though not this particular one) 
are often held at synchrotrons, which adds the requirement of setting up 
and running actual experiments for people, without prior knowledge of 
their projects. Understandably the limited group of people who have 
developed experience in this kind of activity tend to reappear at 
workshop after workshop.


Crystallography as a discipline is certainly full of highly qualified 
women, but the scope for asking "more junior women" to teach these 
particular workshops - or in general for broadening the base of tutors - 
is limited by the fact that the pool of people with the qualifications 
and experience to teach such courses at a high level is truly tiny.


Yours,

Rasmus Fogh


On 05/02/2020 18:21, Diana Tomchick wrote:

Then ask more “junior women.” This isn’t rocket science, after alll.

Diana

**
Diana R. Tomchick
Department of Biophysics, Rm. ND10.214A
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Dallas, TX 75061 USA
214-645-6383 (office)

On Feb 5, 2020, at 12:09 PM, Goldman, Adrian 
 wrote:




EXTERNAL MAIL

Phoebe and all,

What I heard recently (I have no idea whether it applies in this 
particular case…) is that organisers of conferences/meetings often 
have considerable difficulty getting women speakers in the first place 
- apparently 85% of the XYs asked say “yes” and only 50% (less?) of 
the XXs. Presumably not to GRCs, or to keynote a major international 
symposium - but ? Precisely for this kind of event. I was told this is 
because the senior women get asked more often, as there are (qv) fewer 
of them, and so there is meeting-attendance-burnout.


Adrian

On 5 Feb 2020, at 18:00, Phoebe A. Rice <mailto:pr...@uchicago.edu>> wrote:


While there is some truth to that argument, the problem is that it is 
harder to achieve an international reputation in the first place 
while being routinely overlooked.

~~~
Phoebe A. Rice
Dept. of Biochem & Mol. Biol. and
  Committee on Microbiology
https://voices.uchicago.edu/phoebericelab/
*From:*CCP4 bulletin board <mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>> on behalf of Andrew Leslie 
mailto:and...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>>
*Reply-To:*Andrew Leslie <mailto:and...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>>

*Date:*Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 11:56 AM
*To:*"CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK <mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>" 
mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>>
*Subject:*Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in 
South America 2020

Dear All,
              In fairness to the organisers, I would like to point 
out that there is nothing that is “lazy” about organising these 
workshops. It involves a considerable effort both in arranging the 
course, the venue and especially in attracting funds to support the 
workshop (it is important to note that CCP4 does not supply all the 
funds). In addition, it is unfair to single out this particular 
workshop for criticism, as I believe it has long been the case that 
these workshops have not had a good gender balance in terms of the 
tutors. It is also important to realise that the gender imbalance 
does NOT extend to choice of the students, where as far as I am aware 
the gender balance is always very good.
One difficulty the organisers face is that funding will typically 
depend on having tutors with an international reputation in the areas 
in which they are teaching, ideally having been involved in 
developing the software that is being used. Unfortunately, this 
inevitably leads to gender bias.
While I would agree that this is an issue that is worthy of being 
raised, and I feel sure that this point will be taken on board by 
future organisers, it is also important to realise the practical 
difficulties that organisers face and the considerable effort that is 
involved in running these workshops.

R

Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Jeffery, Constance J]

HI Everyone,

Here’s a few suggestions for putting together excellent groups of speakers that 
are more gender balanced.  Similar suggestions can help for finding speakers 
from other under-represented groups, too.  This comes from my experience in 
organizing over a dozen scientific meetings, plus symposia, seminar series, a 
journal club, etc.,

Organizers can ask their female colleagues for suggestions of excellent 
speakers who happen to be women (meeting organizers don’t always know all the 
same potential speakers in their circle of colleagues, and we might be aware of 
the research of more women doing excellent research in our field)
Include women on the meeting organizing team
Ask colleagues to nominate one of their best (female) postdocs to give a talk
Look around for recently hired assistant professors who have excellent research 
projects but who might not yet be widely known

Best regards,
Connie


On Feb 5, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Phoebe A. Rice 
mailto:pr...@uchicago.edu>> wrote:

While there is some truth to that argument, the problem is that it is harder to 
achieve an international reputation in the first place while being routinely 
overlooked.

~~~
Phoebe A. Rice
Dept. of Biochem & Mol. Biol. and
  Committee on Microbiology
https://voices.uchicago.edu/phoebericelab/


From: CCP4 bulletin board mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>> 
on behalf of Andrew Leslie 
mailto:and...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>>
Reply-To: Andrew Leslie 
mailto:and...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>>
Date: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 11:56 AM
To: "CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK<mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>" 
mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>>
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 
2020

Dear All,

  In fairness to the organisers, I would like to point out that 
there is nothing that is “lazy” about organising these workshops. It involves a 
considerable effort both in arranging the course, the venue and especially in 
attracting funds to support the workshop (it is important to note that CCP4 
does not supply all the funds). In addition, it is unfair to single out this 
particular workshop for criticism, as I believe it has long been the case that 
these workshops have not had a good gender balance in terms of the tutors. It 
is also important to realise that the gender imbalance does NOT extend to 
choice of the students, where as far as I am aware the gender balance is always 
very good.

One difficulty the organisers face is that funding will typically depend on 
having tutors with an international reputation in the areas in which they are 
teaching, ideally having been involved in developing the software that is being 
used. Unfortunately, this inevitably leads to gender bias.

While I would agree that this is an issue that is worthy of being raised, and I 
feel sure that this point will be taken on board by future organisers, it is 
also important to realise the practical difficulties that organisers face and 
the considerable effort that is involved in running these workshops.

Regards,

Andrew Leslie


On 5 Feb 2020, at 00:30, Alejandro Buschiazzo 
mailto:ale...@pasteur.edu.uy>> wrote:

Dear colleagues,

We are pleased to announce the 8th South American Macromolecular 
Crystallography School:

Macromolecular Crystallography School 2020
"Structural Biology to enhance high impact research in health and disease”

To be held at the Institut Pasteur de Montevideo (Uruguay) - September 9-19, 
2020
http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/
The application deadline is July 9, 2020. For further inquiries : 
mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy<mailto:mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy>


Main Topics:

•   data processing;

•   phasing and structure determination;

•   model refinement and validation;

•   introduction to crystallography + cryo-electron microscopy integration

Confirmed speakers and tutors (so far... a few more will join the crew):

Alejandro Buschiazzo (Institut Pasteur de Montevideo, Uruguay)
Paul Emsley (Laboratory of Molecular Biology MRC, Cambridge, UK)
Rafael Junqueira Borges (Instituto de Biociências UNESP, Botucatu, Brazil)
Ronan Keegan (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
Eugene Krissinel (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
Joāo Muniz (Instituto de Fisica de São Carlos, Brazil)
Garib Murshudov (Laboratory of Molecular Biology MRC, Cambridge, UK)
Colin Palmer (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP-EM, Didcot, UK)
James Parkhurst (Diamond Light Source, Didcot, UK)
Randy Read (University of Cambridge, UK)
Kyle Stevenson (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
Clemens Vonrhein (Global Phasing Ltd, Cambridge, UK)

Please find the application form and further contact information at 
http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/
(this www site will be updated regularly, so stay tuned!)

This Workshop is supported by the Collaborative Computational Project Nº4 
(CCP4, UK) & Science and 

Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Diana Tomchick]

Then ask more “junior women.” This isn’t rocket science, after alll.

Diana

**
Diana R. Tomchick
Department of Biophysics, Rm. ND10.214A
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Dallas, TX 75061 USA
214-645-6383 (office)

On Feb 5, 2020, at 12:09 PM, Goldman, Adrian  wrote:


EXTERNAL MAIL

Phoebe and all,

What I heard recently (I have no idea whether it applies in this particular 
case…) is that organisers of conferences/meetings often have considerable 
difficulty getting women speakers in the first place - apparently 85% of the 
XYs asked say “yes” and only 50% (less?) of the XXs. Presumably not to GRCs, or 
to keynote a major international symposium - but ? Precisely for this kind of 
event. I was told this is because the senior women get asked more often, as 
there are (qv) fewer of them, and so there is meeting-attendance-burnout.

Adrian

On 5 Feb 2020, at 18:00, Phoebe A. Rice 
mailto:pr...@uchicago.edu>> wrote:

While there is some truth to that argument, the problem is that it is harder to 
achieve an international reputation in the first place while being routinely 
overlooked.

~~~
Phoebe A. Rice
Dept. of Biochem & Mol. Biol. and
  Committee on Microbiology
https://voices.uchicago.edu/phoebericelab/


From: CCP4 bulletin board mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>> 
on behalf of Andrew Leslie 
mailto:and...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>>
Reply-To: Andrew Leslie 
mailto:and...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>>
Date: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 11:56 AM
To: "CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK<mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>" 
mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>>
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 
2020

Dear All,

  In fairness to the organisers, I would like to point out that 
there is nothing that is “lazy” about organising these workshops. It involves a 
considerable effort both in arranging the course, the venue and especially in 
attracting funds to support the workshop (it is important to note that CCP4 
does not supply all the funds). In addition, it is unfair to single out this 
particular workshop for criticism, as I believe it has long been the case that 
these workshops have not had a good gender balance in terms of the tutors. It 
is also important to realise that the gender imbalance does NOT extend to 
choice of the students, where as far as I am aware the gender balance is always 
very good.

One difficulty the organisers face is that funding will typically depend on 
having tutors with an international reputation in the areas in which they are 
teaching, ideally having been involved in developing the software that is being 
used. Unfortunately, this inevitably leads to gender bias.

While I would agree that this is an issue that is worthy of being raised, and I 
feel sure that this point will be taken on board by future organisers, it is 
also important to realise the practical difficulties that organisers face and 
the considerable effort that is involved in running these workshops.

Regards,

Andrew Leslie


On 5 Feb 2020, at 00:30, Alejandro Buschiazzo 
mailto:ale...@pasteur.edu.uy>> wrote:

Dear colleagues,

We are pleased to announce the 8th South American Macromolecular 
Crystallography School:

Macromolecular Crystallography School 2020
"Structural Biology to enhance high impact research in health and disease”

To be held at the Institut Pasteur de Montevideo (Uruguay) - September 9-19, 
2020
http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/
The application deadline is July 9, 2020. For further inquiries : 
mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy<mailto:mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy>


Main Topics:

•   data processing;

•   phasing and structure determination;

•   model refinement and validation;

•   introduction to crystallography + cryo-electron microscopy integration

Confirmed speakers and tutors (so far... a few more will join the crew):

Alejandro Buschiazzo (Institut Pasteur de Montevideo, Uruguay)
Paul Emsley (Laboratory of Molecular Biology MRC, Cambridge, UK)
Rafael Junqueira Borges (Instituto de Biociências UNESP, Botucatu, Brazil)
Ronan Keegan (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
Eugene Krissinel (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
Joāo Muniz (Instituto de Fisica de São Carlos, Brazil)
Garib Murshudov (Laboratory of Molecular Biology MRC, Cambridge, UK)
Colin Palmer (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP-EM, Didcot, UK)
James Parkhurst (Diamond Light Source, Didcot, UK)
Randy Read (University of Cambridge, UK)
Kyle Stevenson (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
Clemens Vonrhein (Global Phasing Ltd, Cambridge, UK)

Please find the application form and further contact information at 
http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/
(this www site will be updated regularly, so stay tuned!)

This Workshop is supported by the Collaborative Computational Project Nº4 
(CCP4, UK) & Science and Tech

Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Skyner, Rachael (DLSLtd,RAL,LSCI)]

I’ll not mention what event, but I was recently invited to talk at one, and 
speaking to one of the organisers I heard that there’s actually more push-back 
on inviting younger speakers when there aren’t senior ones available.

This annoyed me, because the way that people get exposure (and thus more 
invites) is often by giving talks.

 We should pay more attention to who is up-and-coming in the field, and make 
sure they get the right opportunities, IMO

Sent from my iPhone

On 5 Feb 2020, at 18:09, Goldman, Adrian  wrote:

 Phoebe and all,

What I heard recently (I have no idea whether it applies in this particular 
case…) is that organisers of conferences/meetings often have considerable 
difficulty getting women speakers in the first place - apparently 85% of the 
XYs asked say “yes” and only 50% (less?) of the XXs. Presumably not to GRCs, or 
to keynote a major international symposium - but ? Precisely for this kind of 
event. I was told this is because the senior women get asked more often, as 
there are (qv) fewer of them, and so there is meeting-attendance-burnout.

Adrian

On 5 Feb 2020, at 18:00, Phoebe A. Rice 
mailto:pr...@uchicago.edu>> wrote:

While there is some truth to that argument, the problem is that it is harder to 
achieve an international reputation in the first place while being routinely 
overlooked.

~~~
Phoebe A. Rice
Dept. of Biochem & Mol. Biol. and
  Committee on Microbiology
https://voices.uchicago.edu/phoebericelab/


From: CCP4 bulletin board mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>> 
on behalf of Andrew Leslie 
mailto:and...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>>
Reply-To: Andrew Leslie 
mailto:and...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>>
Date: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 11:56 AM
To: "CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK<mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>" 
mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>>
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 
2020

Dear All,

  In fairness to the organisers, I would like to point out that 
there is nothing that is “lazy” about organising these workshops. It involves a 
considerable effort both in arranging the course, the venue and especially in 
attracting funds to support the workshop (it is important to note that CCP4 
does not supply all the funds). In addition, it is unfair to single out this 
particular workshop for criticism, as I believe it has long been the case that 
these workshops have not had a good gender balance in terms of the tutors. It 
is also important to realise that the gender imbalance does NOT extend to 
choice of the students, where as far as I am aware the gender balance is always 
very good.

One difficulty the organisers face is that funding will typically depend on 
having tutors with an international reputation in the areas in which they are 
teaching, ideally having been involved in developing the software that is being 
used. Unfortunately, this inevitably leads to gender bias.

While I would agree that this is an issue that is worthy of being raised, and I 
feel sure that this point will be taken on board by future organisers, it is 
also important to realise the practical difficulties that organisers face and 
the considerable effort that is involved in running these workshops.

Regards,

Andrew Leslie


On 5 Feb 2020, at 00:30, Alejandro Buschiazzo 
mailto:ale...@pasteur.edu.uy>> wrote:

Dear colleagues,

We are pleased to announce the 8th South American Macromolecular 
Crystallography School:

Macromolecular Crystallography School 2020
"Structural Biology to enhance high impact research in health and disease”

To be held at the Institut Pasteur de Montevideo (Uruguay) - September 9-19, 
2020
http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/
The application deadline is July 9, 2020. For further inquiries : 
mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy<mailto:mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy>


Main Topics:

•   data processing;

•   phasing and structure determination;

•   model refinement and validation;

•   introduction to crystallography + cryo-electron microscopy integration

Confirmed speakers and tutors (so far... a few more will join the crew):

Alejandro Buschiazzo (Institut Pasteur de Montevideo, Uruguay)
Paul Emsley (Laboratory of Molecular Biology MRC, Cambridge, UK)
Rafael Junqueira Borges (Instituto de Biociências UNESP, Botucatu, Brazil)
Ronan Keegan (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
Eugene Krissinel (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
Joāo Muniz (Instituto de Fisica de São Carlos, Brazil)
Garib Murshudov (Laboratory of Molecular Biology MRC, Cambridge, UK)
Colin Palmer (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP-EM, Didcot, UK)
James Parkhurst (Diamond Light Source, Didcot, UK)
Randy Read (University of Cambridge, UK)
Kyle Stevenson (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
Clemens Vonrhein (Global Phasing Ltd, Cambridge, UK)

Please find the application form and further contact information at 
http://pasteur.uy/noveda

Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Goldman, Adrian]

Phoebe and all,

What I heard recently (I have no idea whether it applies in this particular 
case…) is that organisers of conferences/meetings often have considerable 
difficulty getting women speakers in the first place - apparently 85% of the 
XYs asked say “yes” and only 50% (less?) of the XXs. Presumably not to GRCs, or 
to keynote a major international symposium - but ? Precisely for this kind of 
event. I was told this is because the senior women get asked more often, as 
there are (qv) fewer of them, and so there is meeting-attendance-burnout.

Adrian

On 5 Feb 2020, at 18:00, Phoebe A. Rice 
mailto:pr...@uchicago.edu>> wrote:

While there is some truth to that argument, the problem is that it is harder to 
achieve an international reputation in the first place while being routinely 
overlooked.

~~~
Phoebe A. Rice
Dept. of Biochem & Mol. Biol. and
  Committee on Microbiology
https://voices.uchicago.edu/phoebericelab/


From: CCP4 bulletin board mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>> 
on behalf of Andrew Leslie 
mailto:and...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>>
Reply-To: Andrew Leslie 
mailto:and...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>>
Date: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 11:56 AM
To: "CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK<mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>" 
mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>>
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 
2020

Dear All,

  In fairness to the organisers, I would like to point out that 
there is nothing that is “lazy” about organising these workshops. It involves a 
considerable effort both in arranging the course, the venue and especially in 
attracting funds to support the workshop (it is important to note that CCP4 
does not supply all the funds). In addition, it is unfair to single out this 
particular workshop for criticism, as I believe it has long been the case that 
these workshops have not had a good gender balance in terms of the tutors. It 
is also important to realise that the gender imbalance does NOT extend to 
choice of the students, where as far as I am aware the gender balance is always 
very good.

One difficulty the organisers face is that funding will typically depend on 
having tutors with an international reputation in the areas in which they are 
teaching, ideally having been involved in developing the software that is being 
used. Unfortunately, this inevitably leads to gender bias.

While I would agree that this is an issue that is worthy of being raised, and I 
feel sure that this point will be taken on board by future organisers, it is 
also important to realise the practical difficulties that organisers face and 
the considerable effort that is involved in running these workshops.

Regards,

Andrew Leslie


On 5 Feb 2020, at 00:30, Alejandro Buschiazzo 
mailto:ale...@pasteur.edu.uy>> wrote:

Dear colleagues,

We are pleased to announce the 8th South American Macromolecular 
Crystallography School:

Macromolecular Crystallography School 2020
"Structural Biology to enhance high impact research in health and disease”

To be held at the Institut Pasteur de Montevideo (Uruguay) - September 9-19, 
2020
http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/
The application deadline is July 9, 2020. For further inquiries : 
mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy<mailto:mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy>


Main Topics:

•   data processing;

•   phasing and structure determination;

•   model refinement and validation;

•   introduction to crystallography + cryo-electron microscopy integration

Confirmed speakers and tutors (so far... a few more will join the crew):

Alejandro Buschiazzo (Institut Pasteur de Montevideo, Uruguay)
Paul Emsley (Laboratory of Molecular Biology MRC, Cambridge, UK)
Rafael Junqueira Borges (Instituto de Biociências UNESP, Botucatu, Brazil)
Ronan Keegan (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
Eugene Krissinel (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
Joāo Muniz (Instituto de Fisica de São Carlos, Brazil)
Garib Murshudov (Laboratory of Molecular Biology MRC, Cambridge, UK)
Colin Palmer (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP-EM, Didcot, UK)
James Parkhurst (Diamond Light Source, Didcot, UK)
Randy Read (University of Cambridge, UK)
Kyle Stevenson (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
Clemens Vonrhein (Global Phasing Ltd, Cambridge, UK)

Please find the application form and further contact information at 
http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/
(this www site will be updated regularly, so stay tuned!)

This Workshop is supported by the Collaborative Computational Project Nº4 
(CCP4, UK) & Science and Technology Facilities Council (UK); the Centro de 
Biologia Estructural del Mercosur (CeBEM); and the Programa Iberoamericano de 
Ciencia y Tecnologia para el Desarrollo (CYTED) through de MICROBES consortium.

Organizers:
Alejandro Buschiazzo, PhD. Institut Pasteur de Montevideo, Uruguay
Kyle Stevenson, DPhil. CCP4, STFC Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Unit

Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Phoebe A. Rice]

While there is some truth to that argument, the problem is that it is harder to 
achieve an international reputation in the first place while being routinely 
overlooked.

~~~
Phoebe A. Rice
Dept. of Biochem & Mol. Biol. and
  Committee on Microbiology
https://voices.uchicago.edu/phoebericelab/


From: CCP4 bulletin board  on behalf of Andrew Leslie 

Reply-To: Andrew Leslie 
Date: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 11:56 AM
To: "CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK" 
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 
2020

Dear All,

  In fairness to the organisers, I would like to point out that 
there is nothing that is “lazy” about organising these workshops. It involves a 
considerable effort both in arranging the course, the venue and especially in 
attracting funds to support the workshop (it is important to note that CCP4 
does not supply all the funds). In addition, it is unfair to single out this 
particular workshop for criticism, as I believe it has long been the case that 
these workshops have not had a good gender balance in terms of the tutors. It 
is also important to realise that the gender imbalance does NOT extend to 
choice of the students, where as far as I am aware the gender balance is always 
very good.

One difficulty the organisers face is that funding will typically depend on 
having tutors with an international reputation in the areas in which they are 
teaching, ideally having been involved in developing the software that is being 
used. Unfortunately, this inevitably leads to gender bias.

While I would agree that this is an issue that is worthy of being raised, and I 
feel sure that this point will be taken on board by future organisers, it is 
also important to realise the practical difficulties that organisers face and 
the considerable effort that is involved in running these workshops.

Regards,

Andrew Leslie


On 5 Feb 2020, at 00:30, Alejandro Buschiazzo 
mailto:ale...@pasteur.edu.uy>> wrote:

Dear colleagues,

We are pleased to announce the 8th South American Macromolecular 
Crystallography School:

Macromolecular Crystallography School 2020
"Structural Biology to enhance high impact research in health and disease”

To be held at the Institut Pasteur de Montevideo (Uruguay) - September 9-19, 
2020
http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/
The application deadline is July 9, 2020. For further inquiries : 
mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy<mailto:mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy>


Main Topics:

•   data processing;

•   phasing and structure determination;

•   model refinement and validation;

•   introduction to crystallography + cryo-electron microscopy integration

Confirmed speakers and tutors (so far... a few more will join the crew):

Alejandro Buschiazzo (Institut Pasteur de Montevideo, Uruguay)
Paul Emsley (Laboratory of Molecular Biology MRC, Cambridge, UK)
Rafael Junqueira Borges (Instituto de Biociências UNESP, Botucatu, Brazil)
Ronan Keegan (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
Eugene Krissinel (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
Joāo Muniz (Instituto de Fisica de São Carlos, Brazil)
Garib Murshudov (Laboratory of Molecular Biology MRC, Cambridge, UK)
Colin Palmer (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP-EM, Didcot, UK)
James Parkhurst (Diamond Light Source, Didcot, UK)
Randy Read (University of Cambridge, UK)
Kyle Stevenson (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
Clemens Vonrhein (Global Phasing Ltd, Cambridge, UK)

Please find the application form and further contact information at 
http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/
(this www site will be updated regularly, so stay tuned!)

This Workshop is supported by the Collaborative Computational Project Nº4 
(CCP4, UK) & Science and Technology Facilities Council (UK); the Centro de 
Biologia Estructural del Mercosur (CeBEM); and the Programa Iberoamericano de 
Ciencia y Tecnologia para el Desarrollo (CYTED) through de MICROBES consortium.

Organizers:
Alejandro Buschiazzo, PhD. Institut Pasteur de Montevideo, Uruguay
Kyle Stevenson, DPhil. CCP4, STFC Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, United Kingdom
Richard Garratt, PhD. Instituto de Fisica de Sao Carlos, USP, Brazil

Applicants:
25 students will be selected, prioritizing advanced PhD, postdocs and young 
researchers. The Course will provide financial support covering registration 
fees, and for the case of those students coming from abroad, all local expenses 
(lodging, per diem and local transportation). Look in the www site for details 
on application procedures.

The application deadline is July 9, 2020.

Please address further inquiries to: 
mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy<mailto:mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy>

Looking forward to hosting you in Montevideo!


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Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Andrew Leslie]

Dear All,

  In fairness to the organisers, I would like to point out that 
there is nothing that is “lazy” about organising these workshops. It involves a 
considerable effort both in arranging the course, the venue and especially in 
attracting funds to support the workshop (it is important to note that CCP4 
does not supply all the funds). In addition, it is unfair to single out this 
particular workshop for criticism, as I believe it has long been the case that 
these workshops have not had a good gender balance in terms of the tutors. It 
is also important to realise that the gender imbalance does NOT extend to 
choice of the students, where as far as I am aware the gender balance is always 
very good.

One difficulty the organisers face is that funding will typically depend on 
having tutors with an international reputation in the areas in which they are 
teaching, ideally having been involved in developing the software that is being 
used. Unfortunately, this inevitably leads to gender bias.

While I would agree that this is an issue that is worthy of being raised, and I 
feel sure that this point will be taken on board by future organisers, it is 
also important to realise the practical difficulties that organisers face and 
the considerable effort that is involved in running these workshops.

Regards,

Andrew Leslie


> On 5 Feb 2020, at 00:30, Alejandro Buschiazzo  wrote:
> 
> Dear colleagues,
> 
> We are pleased to announce the 8th South American Macromolecular 
> Crystallography School: 
> 
> Macromolecular Crystallography School 2020 
> 
> "Structural Biology to enhance high impact research in health and disease”
> 
> 
> To be held at the Institut Pasteur de Montevideo (Uruguay) - September 9-19, 
> 2020
> 
> http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/ 
> 
> The application deadline is July 9, 2020. For further inquiries : 
> mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy 
> 
> 
> Main Topics:
> 
> ·   data processing;
> 
> ·   phasing and structure determination;
> 
> ·   model refinement and validation;
> 
> ·   introduction to crystallography + cryo-electron microscopy integration
> 
> 
> Confirmed speakers and tutors (so far... a few more will join the crew): 
> 
> 
> Alejandro Buschiazzo (Institut Pasteur de Montevideo, Uruguay)
> 
> Paul Emsley (Laboratory of Molecular Biology MRC, Cambridge, UK)
> 
> Rafael Junqueira Borges (Instituto de Biociências UNESP, Botucatu, Brazil)
> 
> Ronan Keegan (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
> 
> Eugene Krissinel (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
> 
> Joāo Muniz (Instituto de Fisica de São Carlos, Brazil)
> 
> Garib Murshudov (Laboratory of Molecular Biology MRC, Cambridge, UK)
> 
> Colin Palmer (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP-EM, Didcot, UK)
> 
> James Parkhurst (Diamond Light Source, Didcot, UK)
> 
> Randy Read (University of Cambridge, UK)
> 
> Kyle Stevenson (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
> 
> Clemens Vonrhein (Global Phasing Ltd, Cambridge, UK)
> 
> 
> Please find the application form and further contact information at 
> http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/  
> (this www site will be updated regularly, so stay tuned!)
> 
> This Workshop is supported by the Collaborative Computational Project Nº4 
> (CCP4, UK) & Science and Technology Facilities Council (UK); the Centro de 
> Biologia Estructural del Mercosur (CeBEM); and the Programa Iberoamericano de 
> Ciencia y Tecnologia para el Desarrollo (CYTED) through de MICROBES 
> consortium.
> 
> Organizers:
> Alejandro Buschiazzo, PhD. Institut Pasteur de Montevideo, Uruguay
> Kyle Stevenson, DPhil. CCP4, STFC Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, United 
> Kingdom
> Richard Garratt, PhD. Instituto de Fisica de Sao Carlos, USP, Brazil
> 
> Applicants:
> 25 students will be selected, prioritizing advanced PhD, postdocs and young 
> researchers. The Course will provide financial support covering registration 
> fees, and for the case of those students coming from abroad, all local 
> expenses (lodging, per diem and local transportation). Look in the www site 
> for details on application procedures.
> 
> The application deadline is July 9, 2020.
> 
> Please address further inquiries to: mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy 
> 
> 
> Looking forward to hosting you in Montevideo!
> 
> 
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Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Bärbel Blaum]

Hey Susan,


I totally agree with you and Pietro. Here's an idea - why don't you organise a 
structural biology workshop with a females-only speaker list? Don't give it 
some stupid feminist name and don't exclude male participants. Also don't 
exclude male speakers deliberately - that would be discrimination, wouldn't it 
- just don't invite any on the speakers list. I think that would make for a 
wonderful and very interesting workshop for everyone involved.


Bärbel



 Von:   "Roversi, Pietro (Dr.)"  
 An:
 Gesendet:   05.02.2020 18:21 
 Betreff:   Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South 
America 2020 


 
 Dear all, 
 
 
 my twopenny worth - when Helen Walden and I put together the 2013 CCP4 Weekend 
list of speakers, 
 we were delighted to end up with a not-so-gender-imbalanced list of speakers, 
 but we did achieve that balance *intentionally*. 
 
 
 
 As we attempt to redress a de facto longstanding bias against women in the 
workplace, 
 everybody in charge of this kind of decision is expected to *intentionally* 
look for excellent women scientists. 
 
 
 They will find them if they look - and the event will be better because of 
participation of women as well as
 
 male scientists.
 
 
 
 with best wishes, 
 
 
 Pietro
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Pietro Roversi 
Lecturer (Teaching and Research) https://le.ac.uk/natural-sciences/
 
LISCB Wellcome Trust ISSF Fellow 
https://le.ac.uk/liscb/research-groups/pietro-roversi
 

 
 
Leicester Institute of Structural and Chemical Biology 
Department of Molecular and Cell Biology, University of Leicester 
Henry Wellcome Building 
Lancaster Road, Leicester, LE1 7HB 
England, United Kingdom 

 
Tel. +44 (0)116 2297237
 
 
 
 
 

 From: CCP4 bulletin board on behalf of Tim Gruene
 Sent: Wednesday, 05 February 2020 16:18
 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
 Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 
2020 

 
 
Dear Susan, dear Silvia,
 
 why don't both of you offer to teach as tutors at this CCP4 workshop?
 
 I do not believe that this 'imbalance' has been done intentionally by any of 
 the people involved. 
 
 Both of you should take a step forward, tutor in South America. In case your 
 offer is rejected, you may start to argue.
 
 Best regards,
 Tim
 
 On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 1:48:32 PM CET Susan Lea wrote:
 > ‘Role’ models are not what are needed - just a better representation of our
 > community. This is lazy scheduling and in a community where there have
 > always been influential women we should do better - CCP4 has let the whole
 > community down by allowing their name to be associated with this.
  Perhaps
 > we could encourage the speakers to do as many of my colleagues have started
 > to do - ask who else is speaking at a meeting and refuse to participate if
 > the list does not reflect the community. 
 > Susan
 > 
 > Sent from my iPhone
 > 
 > On 5 Feb 2020, at 07:38, Silvia Onesti  wrote:
 > 
 >  Maybe CCP4 should explicitely ask for gender balance before sponsoring a
 > workshop?
  
 > Silvia
 > 
 > -
 > Silvia Onesti - Head of Structural Biology
 > 
 > Elettra - Sincrotrone Trieste S.C.p.A.
 > AREA Science Park, 34149 Basovizza, Trieste ITALY
 > 
 > Email: silvia.one...@elettra.eu<mailto:silvia.one...@elettra.eu>
 > Tel. +39 040 3758451  Mob +39 366 6878001
 > 
 >  http://www.elettra.trieste.it/People/SilviaOnesti
 >  http://www.elettra.trieste.it/labs/structural-biology
 > ---
 > 
 > 
 > On 5 Feb 2020, at 03:09, Alejandro Buschiazzo
 > mailto:ale...@pasteur.edu.uy>> wrote:
  
 > Thank you for your comment, we cannot agree more.
 > 
 > We are aware of this, and still are in the process of inviting a few more
 > speakers.
  We shall  thus bring more  women on board, and achieve a
 > balanced group! 
 > Cheers,
 > Alejandro (on behalf of the organizers)
 > 
 > 
 > El 4 feb. 2020, a la(s) 22:02, Edward Snell
 > mailto:esn...@hwi.buffalo.edu>> escribió:
  
 > 
 > ​It is great that this workshop is occurring but I couldn't help but notice
 > that there seem to be a lot of male speakers and tutors. I was wondering if
 > it might be appropriate to add some female role models. There are some
 > great candidates?
  
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > From: CCP4 bulletin board
 > mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>> on behalf of
 > Alejandro Buschiazzo mailto:ale...@pasteur.edu.uy>>
 > Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 7:30 PM
 > To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK<mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>
 > Subject: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America
 > 2020
  
 > Dear colleagues,
 > 
 > We are pleased to an

Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Roversi, Pietro (Dr.)]

Dear all,

my twopenny worth - when Helen Walden and I put together the 2013 CCP4 Weekend 
list of speakers,
we were delighted to end up with a not-so-gender-imbalanced list of speakers,
but we did achieve that balance *intentionally*.

As we attempt to redress a de facto longstanding bias against women in the 
workplace,
everybody in charge of this kind of decision is expected to *intentionally* 
look for excellent women scientists.

They will find them if they look - and the event will be better because of 
participation of women as well as
male scientists.

with best wishes,

Pietro




Pietro Roversi

Lecturer (Teaching and Research) https://le.ac.uk/natural-sciences/

LISCB Wellcome Trust ISSF Fellow

<https://bit.ly/2I4Wm5Z>https://le.ac.uk/liscb/research-groups/pietro-roversi


Leicester Institute of Structural and Chemical Biology
Department of Molecular and Cell Biology, University of Leicester
Henry Wellcome Building
Lancaster Road, Leicester, LE1 7HB
England, United Kingdom

Tel. +44 (0)116 2297237



From: CCP4 bulletin board on behalf of Tim Gruene
Sent: Wednesday, 05 February 2020 16:18
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 
2020

Dear Susan, dear Silvia,

why don't both of you offer to teach as tutors at this CCP4 workshop?

I do not believe that this 'imbalance' has been done intentionally by any of
the people involved.

Both of you should take a step forward, tutor in South America. In case your
offer is rejected, you may start to argue.

Best regards,
Tim

On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 1:48:32 PM CET Susan Lea wrote:
> ‘Role’ models are not what are needed - just a better representation of our
> community. This is lazy scheduling and in a community where there have
> always been influential women we should do better - CCP4 has let the whole
> community down by allowing their name to be associated with this.
 Perhaps
> we could encourage the speakers to do as many of my colleagues have started
> to do - ask who else is speaking at a meeting and refuse to participate if
> the list does not reflect the community.
> Susan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 5 Feb 2020, at 07:38, Silvia Onesti  wrote:
>
>  Maybe CCP4 should explicitely ask for gender balance before sponsoring a
> workshop?

> Silvia
>
> -
> Silvia Onesti - Head of Structural Biology
>
> Elettra - Sincrotrone Trieste S.C.p.A.
> AREA Science Park, 34149 Basovizza, Trieste ITALY
>
> Email: silvia.one...@elettra.eu<mailto:silvia.one...@elettra.eu>
> Tel. +39 040 3758451  Mob +39 366 6878001
>
> http://www.elettra.trieste.it/People/SilviaOnesti
> http://www.elettra.trieste.it/labs/structural-biology
> ---
>
>
> On 5 Feb 2020, at 03:09, Alejandro Buschiazzo
> mailto:ale...@pasteur.edu.uy>> wrote:

> Thank you for your comment, we cannot agree more.
>
> We are aware of this, and still are in the process of inviting a few more
> speakers.
 We shall  thus bring more  women on board, and achieve a
> balanced group!
> Cheers,
> Alejandro (on behalf of the organizers)
>
>
> El 4 feb. 2020, a la(s) 22:02, Edward Snell
> mailto:esn...@hwi.buffalo.edu>> escribió:

>
> ​It is great that this workshop is occurring but I couldn't help but notice
> that there seem to be a lot of male speakers and tutors. I was wondering if
> it might be appropriate to add some female role models. There are some
> great candidates?

>
>
> 
> From: CCP4 bulletin board
> mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>> on behalf of
> Alejandro Buschiazzo mailto:ale...@pasteur.edu.uy>>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 7:30 PM
> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK<mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>
> Subject: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America
> 2020

> Dear colleagues,
>
> We are pleased to announce the 8th South American Macromolecular
> Crystallography School:

> Macromolecular Crystallography School 2020
> "Structural Biology to enhance high impact research in health and disease”
>
> To be held at the Institut Pasteur de Montevideo (Uruguay) - September 9-19,
> 2020

> http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/
>
> The application deadline is July 9, 2020. For further inquiries :
> mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy<mailto:mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy>

>
> Main Topics:
>
> •   data processing;
>
> •   phasing and structure determination;
>
> •   model refinement and validation;
>
> •   introduction to crystallography + cryo-electron microscopy
> integration

> Confirmed speakers and tutors (so far... a few more 

Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Tim Gruene]

Dear Susan, dear Silvia,

why don't both of you offer to teach as tutors at this CCP4 workshop?

I do not believe that this 'imbalance' has been done intentionally by any of 
the people involved. 

Both of you should take a step forward, tutor in South America. In case your 
offer is rejected, you may start to argue.

Best regards,
Tim

On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 1:48:32 PM CET Susan Lea wrote:
> ‘Role’ models are not what are needed - just a better representation of our
> community. This is lazy scheduling and in a community where there have
> always been influential women we should do better - CCP4 has let the whole
> community down by allowing their name to be associated with this.
 Perhaps
> we could encourage the speakers to do as many of my colleagues have started
> to do - ask who else is speaking at a meeting and refuse to participate if
> the list does not reflect the community. 
> Susan
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 5 Feb 2020, at 07:38, Silvia Onesti  wrote:
> 
>  Maybe CCP4 should explicitely ask for gender balance before sponsoring a
> workshop?
 
> Silvia
> 
> -
> Silvia Onesti - Head of Structural Biology
> 
> Elettra - Sincrotrone Trieste S.C.p.A.
> AREA Science Park, 34149 Basovizza, Trieste ITALY
> 
> Email: silvia.one...@elettra.eu<mailto:silvia.one...@elettra.eu>
> Tel. +39 040 3758451  Mob +39 366 6878001
> 
> http://www.elettra.trieste.it/People/SilviaOnesti
> http://www.elettra.trieste.it/labs/structural-biology
> ---
> 
> 
> On 5 Feb 2020, at 03:09, Alejandro Buschiazzo
> mailto:ale...@pasteur.edu.uy>> wrote:
 
> Thank you for your comment, we cannot agree more.
> 
> We are aware of this, and still are in the process of inviting a few more
> speakers.
 We shall  thus bring more  women on board, and achieve a
> balanced group! 
> Cheers,
> Alejandro (on behalf of the organizers)
> 
> 
> El 4 feb. 2020, a la(s) 22:02, Edward Snell
> mailto:esn...@hwi.buffalo.edu>> escribió:
 
> 
> ​It is great that this workshop is occurring but I couldn't help but notice
> that there seem to be a lot of male speakers and tutors. I was wondering if
> it might be appropriate to add some female role models. There are some
> great candidates?
 
> 
> 
> 
> From: CCP4 bulletin board
> mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>> on behalf of
> Alejandro Buschiazzo mailto:ale...@pasteur.edu.uy>>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 7:30 PM
> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK<mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>
> Subject: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America
> 2020
 
> Dear colleagues,
> 
> We are pleased to announce the 8th South American Macromolecular
> Crystallography School:
 
> Macromolecular Crystallography School 2020
> "Structural Biology to enhance high impact research in health and disease”
> 
> To be held at the Institut Pasteur de Montevideo (Uruguay) - September 9-19,
> 2020
 
> http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/
> 
> The application deadline is July 9, 2020. For further inquiries :
> mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy<mailto:mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy>
 
> 
> Main Topics:
> 
> •   data processing;
> 
> •   phasing and structure determination;
> 
> •   model refinement and validation;
> 
> •   introduction to crystallography + cryo-electron microscopy
> integration
 
> Confirmed speakers and tutors (so far... a few more will join the crew):
> 
> Alejandro Buschiazzo (Institut Pasteur de Montevideo, Uruguay)
> Paul Emsley (Laboratory of Molecular Biology MRC, Cambridge, UK)
> Rafael Junqueira Borges (Instituto de Biociências UNESP, Botucatu, Brazil)
> Ronan Keegan (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
> Eugene Krissinel (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
> Joāo Muniz (Instituto de Fisica de São Carlos, Brazil)
> Garib Murshudov (Laboratory of Molecular Biology MRC, Cambridge, UK)
> Colin Palmer (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP-EM, Didcot, UK)
> James Parkhurst (Diamond Light Source, Didcot, UK)
> Randy Read (University of Cambridge, UK)
> Kyle Stevenson (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
> Clemens Vonrhein (Global Phasing Ltd, Cambridge, UK)
> 
> Please find the application form and further contact information at
> http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/
 (this www site will be updated
> regularly, so stay tuned!)
> 
> This Workshop is supported by the Collaborative Computational Project Nº4
> (CCP4, UK) & Science and Technology Facilities Council (UK); the Centro de
> Biologia Estructural del Mercosur (CeBEM); and the Progra

Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Andrew Purkiss]

As the majority of the speakers/tutors in that list are from the STFC,
Diamond and other developers associated with CCP4, maybe the issue
isn't just lazy scheduling by the organisers, but who has been put
forward by the institutes concerned and the gender balance within their
teams.

Andy Purkiss

On Wed, 2020-02-05 at 12:48 +, Susan Lea wrote:
> ‘Role’ models are not what are needed - just a better representation
> of our community. This is lazy scheduling and in a community where
> there have always been influential women we should do better - CCP4
> has let the whole community down by allowing their name to be
> associated with this. 
> Perhaps we could encourage the speakers to do as many of my
> colleagues have started to do - ask who else is speaking at a meeting
> and refuse to participate if the list does not reflect the
> community. 
> 
> Susan
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On 5 Feb 2020, at 07:38, Silvia Onesti 
> > wrote:
> > 
> >  Maybe CCP4 should explicitely ask for gender balance before
> > sponsoring a workshop?
> > 
> > Silvia
> > 
> > -
> > 
> > Silvia Onesti - Head of Structural Biology
> > 
> > Elettra - Sincrotrone Trieste S.C.p.A.
> > AREA Science Park, 34149 Basovizza, Trieste ITALY
> > 
> > Email: silvia.one...@elettra.eu
> > Tel. +39 040 3758451  Mob +39 366 6878001
> > 
> > http://www.elettra.trieste.it/People/SilviaOnesti
> > http://www.elettra.trieste.it/labs/structural-biology
> > -
> > --
> > 
> > 
> > > On 5 Feb 2020, at 03:09, Alejandro Buschiazzo <
> > > ale...@pasteur.edu.uy> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Thank you for your comment, we cannot agree more.
> > > 
> > > We are aware of this, and still are in the process of inviting a
> > > few more speakers. 
> > > We shall  thus bring more  women on board, and achieve a balanced
> > > group!
> > > 
> > > Cheers,
> > > Alejandro (on behalf of the organizers)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > El 4 feb. 2020, a la(s) 22:02, Edward Snell <
> > > esn...@hwi.buffalo.edu> escribió:
> > > 
> > > > It is great that this workshop is occurring but I couldn't help
> > > > but notice that there seem to be a lot of male speakers and
> > > > tutors. I was wondering if it might be appropriate to add some
> > > > female role models. There are some great candidates?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > From: CCP4 bulletin board  on behalf of
> > > > Alejandro Buschiazzo 
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 7:30 PM
> > > > To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> > > > Subject: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in
> > > > South America 2020
> > > >  
> > > > Dear colleagues,
> > > > 
> > > > We are pleased to announce the 8th South American
> > > > Macromolecular Crystallography School: 
> > > > 
> > > > Macromolecular Crystallography School 2020 
> > > > "Structural Biology to enhance high impact research in health
> > > > and disease”
> > > > 
> > > > To be held at the Institut Pasteur de Montevideo (Uruguay)
> > > > - September 9-19, 2020
> > > > 
> > > > http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/
> > > > 
> > > > The application deadline is July 9, 2020. For further inquiries
> > > > : mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Main Topics:
> > > > > ·   data processing;
> > > > > ·   phasing and structure determination;
> > > > > ·   model refinement and validation;
> > > > > ·   introduction to crystallography + cryo-electron
> > > > > microscopy integration
> > > > 
> > > > Confirmed speakers and tutors (so far... a few more will join
> > > > the crew): 
> > > > 
> > > > Alejandro Buschiazzo (Institut Pasteur de Montevideo, Uruguay)
> > > > Paul Emsley (Laboratory of Molecular Biology MRC, Cambridge,
> > > > UK)
> > > > Rafael Junqueira Borges (Instituto de Biociências UNESP,
> > > > Botucatu, Brazil)
> > > > Ronan Keegan (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
> > > > Eugene Krissinel (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot,
> > > > UK)
> > > &g

Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Susan Lea]

‘Role’ models are not what are needed - just a better representation of our 
community. This is lazy scheduling and in a community where there have always 
been influential women we should do better - CCP4 has let the whole community 
down by allowing their name to be associated with this.
Perhaps we could encourage the speakers to do as many of my colleagues have 
started to do - ask who else is speaking at a meeting and refuse to participate 
if the list does not reflect the community.

Susan

Sent from my iPhone

On 5 Feb 2020, at 07:38, Silvia Onesti  wrote:

 Maybe CCP4 should explicitely ask for gender balance before sponsoring a 
workshop?

Silvia

-
Silvia Onesti - Head of Structural Biology

Elettra - Sincrotrone Trieste S.C.p.A.
AREA Science Park, 34149 Basovizza, Trieste ITALY

Email: silvia.one...@elettra.eu<mailto:silvia.one...@elettra.eu>
Tel. +39 040 3758451  Mob +39 366 6878001

http://www.elettra.trieste.it/People/SilviaOnesti
http://www.elettra.trieste.it/labs/structural-biology
---


On 5 Feb 2020, at 03:09, Alejandro Buschiazzo 
mailto:ale...@pasteur.edu.uy>> wrote:

Thank you for your comment, we cannot agree more.

We are aware of this, and still are in the process of inviting a few more 
speakers.
We shall  thus bring more  women on board, and achieve a balanced group!

Cheers,
Alejandro (on behalf of the organizers)


El 4 feb. 2020, a la(s) 22:02, Edward Snell 
mailto:esn...@hwi.buffalo.edu>> escribió:


​It is great that this workshop is occurring but I couldn't help but notice 
that there seem to be a lot of male speakers and tutors. I was wondering if it 
might be appropriate to add some female role models. There are some great 
candidates?




From: CCP4 bulletin board mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>> 
on behalf of Alejandro Buschiazzo 
mailto:ale...@pasteur.edu.uy>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 7:30 PM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK<mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>
Subject: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

Dear colleagues,

We are pleased to announce the 8th South American Macromolecular 
Crystallography School:

Macromolecular Crystallography School 2020
"Structural Biology to enhance high impact research in health and disease”

To be held at the Institut Pasteur de Montevideo (Uruguay) - September 9-19, 
2020

http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/

The application deadline is July 9, 2020. For further inquiries : 
mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy<mailto:mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy>


Main Topics:

•   data processing;

•   phasing and structure determination;

•   model refinement and validation;

•   introduction to crystallography + cryo-electron microscopy integration

Confirmed speakers and tutors (so far... a few more will join the crew):

Alejandro Buschiazzo (Institut Pasteur de Montevideo, Uruguay)
Paul Emsley (Laboratory of Molecular Biology MRC, Cambridge, UK)
Rafael Junqueira Borges (Instituto de Biociências UNESP, Botucatu, Brazil)
Ronan Keegan (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
Eugene Krissinel (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
Joāo Muniz (Instituto de Fisica de São Carlos, Brazil)
Garib Murshudov (Laboratory of Molecular Biology MRC, Cambridge, UK)
Colin Palmer (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP-EM, Didcot, UK)
James Parkhurst (Diamond Light Source, Didcot, UK)
Randy Read (University of Cambridge, UK)
Kyle Stevenson (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
Clemens Vonrhein (Global Phasing Ltd, Cambridge, UK)

Please find the application form and further contact information at 
http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/
(this www site will be updated regularly, so stay tuned!)

This Workshop is supported by the Collaborative Computational Project Nº4 
(CCP4, UK) & Science and Technology Facilities Council (UK); the Centro de 
Biologia Estructural del Mercosur (CeBEM); and the Programa Iberoamericano de 
Ciencia y Tecnologia para el Desarrollo (CYTED) through de MICROBES consortium.

Organizers:
Alejandro Buschiazzo, PhD. Institut Pasteur de Montevideo, Uruguay
Kyle Stevenson, DPhil. CCP4, STFC Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, United Kingdom
Richard Garratt, PhD. Instituto de Fisica de Sao Carlos, USP, Brazil

Applicants:
25 students will be selected, prioritizing advanced PhD, postdocs and young 
researchers. The Course will provide financial support covering registration 
fees, and for the case of those students coming from abroad, all local expenses 
(lodging, per diem and local transportation). Look in the www site for details 
on application procedures.

The application deadline is July 9, 2020.

Please address further inquiries to: 
mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy<mailto:mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy>

Looking forward to hosting you in Montevideo!



To u

Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Silvia Onesti]

Maybe CCP4 should explicitely ask for gender balance before sponsoring a 
workshop?

Silvia

-
Silvia Onesti - Head of Structural Biology

Elettra - Sincrotrone Trieste S.C.p.A.
AREA Science Park, 34149 Basovizza, Trieste ITALY

Email: silvia.one...@elettra.eu
Tel. +39 040 3758451  Mob +39 366 6878001

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> On 5 Feb 2020, at 03:09, Alejandro Buschiazzo  wrote:
> 
> Thank you for your comment, we cannot agree more.
> 
> We are aware of this, and still are in the process of inviting a few more 
> speakers. 
> We shall  thus bring more  women on board, and achieve a balanced group!
> 
> Cheers,
> Alejandro (on behalf of the organizers)
> 
> 
> El 4 feb. 2020, a la(s) 22:02, Edward Snell  <mailto:esn...@hwi.buffalo.edu>> escribió:
> 
>> ​It is great that this workshop is occurring but I couldn't help but notice 
>> that there seem to be a lot of male speakers and tutors. I was wondering if 
>> it might be appropriate to add some female role models. There are some great 
>> candidates?
>> 
>> 
>> From: CCP4 bulletin board > <mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>> on behalf of Alejandro Buschiazzo 
>> mailto:ale...@pasteur.edu.uy>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 7:30 PM
>> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK <mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>
>> Subject: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 
>> 2020
>>  
>> Dear colleagues,
>> 
>> We are pleased to announce the 8th South American Macromolecular 
>> Crystallography School: 
>> 
>> Macromolecular Crystallography School 2020 
>> 
>> "Structural Biology to enhance high impact research in health and disease”
>> 
>> 
>> To be held at the Institut Pasteur de Montevideo (Uruguay) - September 9-19, 
>> 2020
>> 
>> http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/ <http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/>
>> 
>> The application deadline is July 9, 2020. For further inquiries : 
>> mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy <mailto:mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy>
>> 
>> 
>> Main Topics:
>> 
>> ·   data processing;
>> 
>> ·   phasing and structure determination;
>> 
>> ·   model refinement and validation;
>> 
>> ·   introduction to crystallography + cryo-electron microscopy 
>> integration
>> 
>> 
>> Confirmed speakers and tutors (so far... a few more will join the crew): 
>> 
>> 
>> Alejandro Buschiazzo (Institut Pasteur de Montevideo, Uruguay)
>> 
>> Paul Emsley (Laboratory of Molecular Biology MRC, Cambridge, UK)
>> 
>> Rafael Junqueira Borges (Instituto de Biociências UNESP, Botucatu, Brazil)
>> 
>> Ronan Keegan (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
>> 
>> Eugene Krissinel (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
>> 
>> Joāo Muniz (Instituto de Fisica de São Carlos, Brazil)
>> 
>> Garib Murshudov (Laboratory of Molecular Biology MRC, Cambridge, UK)
>> 
>> Colin Palmer (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP-EM, Didcot, UK)
>> 
>> James Parkhurst (Diamond Light Source, Didcot, UK)
>> 
>> Randy Read (University of Cambridge, UK)
>> 
>> Kyle Stevenson (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
>> 
>> Clemens Vonrhein (Global Phasing Ltd, Cambridge, UK)
>> 
>> 
>> Please find the application form and further contact information at 
>> http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/ <http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/> 
>> (this www site will be updated regularly, so stay tuned!)
>> 
>> This Workshop is supported by the Collaborative Computational Project Nº4 
>> (CCP4, UK) & Science and Technology Facilities Council (UK); the Centro de 
>> Biologia Estructural del Mercosur (CeBEM); and the Programa Iberoamericano 
>> de Ciencia y Tecnologia para el Desarrollo (CYTED) through de MICROBES 
>> consortium.
>> 
>> Organizers:
>> Alejandro Buschiazzo, PhD. Institut Pasteur de Montevideo, Uruguay
>> Kyle Stevenson, DPhil. CCP4, STFC Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, United 
>> Kingdom
>> Richard Garratt, PhD. Instituto de Fisica de Sao Carlos, USP, Brazil
>> 
>> Applicants:
>> 25 students will be selected, prioritizing advanced PhD, postdocs and young 
>> researchers. The Course will provide f

Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Alejandro Buschiazzo]

Thank you for your comment, we cannot agree more.

We are aware of this, and still are in the process of inviting a few more 
speakers. 
We shall  thus bring more  women on board, and achieve a balanced group!

Cheers,
Alejandro (on behalf of the organizers)


El 4 feb. 2020, a la(s) 22:02, Edward Snell  escribió:

> ​It is great that this workshop is occurring but I couldn't help but notice 
> that there seem to be a lot of male speakers and tutors. I was wondering if 
> it might be appropriate to add some female role models. There are some great 
> candidates?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> From: CCP4 bulletin board  on behalf of Alejandro 
> Buschiazzo 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 7:30 PM
> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 
> 2020
>  
> Dear colleagues,
> 
> We are pleased to announce the 8th South American Macromolecular 
> Crystallography School: 
> 
> Macromolecular Crystallography School 2020 
> 
> "Structural Biology to enhance high impact research in health and disease”
> 
> 
> To be held at the Institut Pasteur de Montevideo (Uruguay) - September 9-19, 
> 2020
> http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/
> 
> 
> The application deadline is July 9, 2020. For further inquiries : 
> mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy
> 
> 
> Main Topics:
> 
> ·   data processing;
> 
> ·   phasing and structure determination;
> 
> ·   model refinement and validation;
> 
> ·   introduction to crystallography + cryo-electron microscopy integration
> 
> 
> Confirmed speakers and tutors (so far... a few more will join the crew): 
> 
> 
> Alejandro Buschiazzo (Institut Pasteur de Montevideo, Uruguay)
> 
> Paul Emsley (Laboratory of Molecular Biology MRC, Cambridge, UK)
> 
> Rafael Junqueira Borges (Instituto de Biociências UNESP, Botucatu, Brazil)
> 
> Ronan Keegan (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
> 
> Eugene Krissinel (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
> 
> Joāo Muniz (Instituto de Fisica de São Carlos, Brazil)
> 
> Garib Murshudov (Laboratory of Molecular Biology MRC, Cambridge, UK)
> 
> Colin Palmer (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP-EM, Didcot, UK)
> 
> James Parkhurst (Diamond Light Source, Didcot, UK)
> 
> Randy Read (University of Cambridge, UK)
> 
> Kyle Stevenson (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
> 
> Clemens Vonrhein (Global Phasing Ltd, Cambridge, UK)
> 
> 
> Please find the application form and further contact information at 
> http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/ 
> (this www site will be updated regularly, so stay tuned!)
> 
> This Workshop is supported by the Collaborative Computational Project Nº4 
> (CCP4, UK) & Science and Technology Facilities Council (UK); the Centro de 
> Biologia Estructural del Mercosur (CeBEM); and the Programa Iberoamericano de 
> Ciencia y Tecnologia para el Desarrollo (CYTED) through de MICROBES 
> consortium.
> 
> Organizers:
> Alejandro Buschiazzo, PhD. Institut Pasteur de Montevideo, Uruguay
> Kyle Stevenson, DPhil. CCP4, STFC Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, United 
> Kingdom
> Richard Garratt, PhD. Instituto de Fisica de Sao Carlos, USP, Brazil
> 
> Applicants:
> 25 students will be selected, prioritizing advanced PhD, postdocs and young 
> researchers. The Course will provide financial support covering registration 
> fees, and for the case of those students coming from abroad, all local 
> expenses (lodging, per diem and local transportation). Look in the www site 
> for details on application procedures.
> 
> The application deadline is July 9, 2020.
> 
> Please address further inquiries to: mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy
> 
> Looking forward to hosting you in Montevideo!
> 
> 
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Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Edward Snell]

?It is great that this workshop is occurring but I couldn't help but notice 
that there seem to be a lot of male speakers and tutors. I was wondering if it 
might be appropriate to add some female role models. There are some great 
candidates?




From: CCP4 bulletin board  on behalf of Alejandro 
Buschiazzo 
Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 7:30 PM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

Dear colleagues,

We are pleased to announce the 8th South American Macromolecular 
Crystallography School:

Macromolecular Crystallography School 2020
"Structural Biology to enhance high impact research in health and disease"

To be held at the Institut Pasteur de Montevideo (Uruguay) - September 9-19, 
2020
http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/

The application deadline is July 9, 2020. For further inquiries : 
mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy<mailto:mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy>


Main Topics:

*   data processing;

*   phasing and structure determination;

*   model refinement and validation;

*   introduction to crystallography + cryo-electron microscopy integration

Confirmed speakers and tutors (so far... a few more will join the crew):

Alejandro Buschiazzo (Institut Pasteur de Montevideo, Uruguay)
Paul Emsley (Laboratory of Molecular Biology MRC, Cambridge, UK)
Rafael Junqueira Borges (Instituto de Biociências UNESP, Botucatu, Brazil)
Ronan Keegan (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
Eugene Krissinel (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
Joao Muniz (Instituto de Fisica de São Carlos, Brazil)
Garib Murshudov (Laboratory of Molecular Biology MRC, Cambridge, UK)
Colin Palmer (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP-EM, Didcot, UK)
James Parkhurst (Diamond Light Source, Didcot, UK)
Randy Read (University of Cambridge, UK)
Kyle Stevenson (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)
Clemens Vonrhein (Global Phasing Ltd, Cambridge, UK)

Please find the application form and further contact information at 
http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/
(this www site will be updated regularly, so stay tuned!)

This Workshop is supported by the Collaborative Computational Project Nº4 
(CCP4, UK) & Science and Technology Facilities Council (UK); the Centro de 
Biologia Estructural del Mercosur (CeBEM); and the Programa Iberoamericano de 
Ciencia y Tecnologia para el Desarrollo (CYTED) through de MICROBES consortium.

Organizers:
Alejandro Buschiazzo, PhD. Institut Pasteur de Montevideo, Uruguay
Kyle Stevenson, DPhil. CCP4, STFC Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, United Kingdom
Richard Garratt, PhD. Instituto de Fisica de Sao Carlos, USP, Brazil

Applicants:
25 students will be selected, prioritizing advanced PhD, postdocs and young 
researchers. The Course will provide financial support covering registration 
fees, and for the case of those students coming from abroad, all local expenses 
(lodging, per diem and local transportation). Look in the www site for details 
on application procedures.

The application deadline is July 9, 2020.

Please address further inquiries to: 
mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy<mailto:mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy>

Looking forward to hosting you in Montevideo!



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[ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South America 2020

[Alejandro Buschiazzo]

Dear colleagues,

We are pleased to announce the 8th South American Macromolecular 
Crystallography School: 

Macromolecular Crystallography School 2020 

"Structural Biology to enhance high impact research in health and disease”


To be held at the Institut Pasteur de Montevideo (Uruguay) - September 9-19, 
2020
http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/


The application deadline is July 9, 2020. For further inquiries : 
mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy 


Main Topics:

·   data processing;

·   phasing and structure determination;

·   model refinement and validation;

·   introduction to crystallography + cryo-electron microscopy integration


Confirmed speakers and tutors (so far... a few more will join the crew): 


Alejandro Buschiazzo (Institut Pasteur de Montevideo, Uruguay)

Paul Emsley (Laboratory of Molecular Biology MRC, Cambridge, UK)

Rafael Junqueira Borges (Instituto de Biociências UNESP, Botucatu, Brazil)

Ronan Keegan (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)

Eugene Krissinel (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)

Joāo Muniz (Instituto de Fisica de São Carlos, Brazil)

Garib Murshudov (Laboratory of Molecular Biology MRC, Cambridge, UK)

Colin Palmer (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP-EM, Didcot, UK)

James Parkhurst (Diamond Light Source, Didcot, UK)

Randy Read (University of Cambridge, UK)

Kyle Stevenson (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK)

Clemens Vonrhein (Global Phasing Ltd, Cambridge, UK)


Please find the application form and further contact information at 
http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/ 
(this www site will be updated regularly, so stay tuned!)

This Workshop is supported by the Collaborative Computational Project Nº4 
(CCP4, UK) & Science and Technology Facilities Council (UK); the Centro de 
Biologia Estructural del Mercosur (CeBEM); and the Programa Iberoamericano de 
Ciencia y Tecnologia para el Desarrollo (CYTED) through de MICROBES consortium.

Organizers:
Alejandro Buschiazzo, PhD. Institut Pasteur de Montevideo, Uruguay
Kyle Stevenson, DPhil. CCP4, STFC Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, United Kingdom
Richard Garratt, PhD. Instituto de Fisica de Sao Carlos, USP, Brazil

Applicants:
25 students will be selected, prioritizing advanced PhD, postdocs and young 
researchers. The Course will provide financial support covering registration 
fees, and for the case of those students coming from abroad, all local expenses 
(lodging, per diem and local transportation). Look in the www site for details 
on application procedures.

The application deadline is July 9, 2020.

Please address further inquiries to: mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy 


Looking forward to hosting you in Montevideo!


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