Re: [ccp4bb] FW: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[V Nagarajan]

From the Washington Post 
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2016/11/09/what-will-president-trump-mean-for-science/):


Last year, Trumptold 
 conservative 
radio host Michael Savage, “I hear so much about the NIH, and it’s 
terrible.”


V. Nagarajan
JANSi

On 11/9/2016 7:17 PM, William G. Scott wrote:

Dear Edward et al:

I agree we shouldn’t engage in partisan arguments on the CCP4bb.  However, I 
think it is a mistake, and perhaps a missed opportunity, to ignore politics 
completely.

For example, Newt Gingrich is currently in the running for Sec HHS.  He has 
previously written editorials in the NYT and Wall Street Journal advocating 
doubling the budget of the NIH.

I think it is incumbent upon us to make our voices heard if such an opportunity 
arises, regardless of what one may happen to think about the individual’s 
political orientation, as it could potentially be of enormous benefit to the 
scientific community.

Yours faithfully,

William G. Scott
Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
Professor, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA
University of California at Santa Cruz
Santa Cruz, California 95064
USA

http://scottlab.ucsc.edu


On Nov 9, 2016, at 9:02 AM, Edward Snell  wrote:

As a Brexit and Trumpet affected person having a foot in both countries ,this 
topic is too far off the normal discussion on CCP4 and probably better taken up 
privately.  CCP4 is not a political discussion site. With CCP4 the signal is 
unusually high and the noise low when compared to any discussion board. I for 
one would like to keep it there. Political views aside, we’re all trying to 
achieve the same scientific goals. Let’s remember that and keep that the focus.
  
Edward Snell Ph.D.

President and CEO Hauptman-Woodward Medical Research Institute
Assistant Prof. Department of Structural Biology, University at Buffalo
700 Ellicott Street, Buffalo, NY 14203-1102
Phone: (716) 898 8631 Fax: (716) 898 8660
Skype:  eddie.snell Email: esn...@hwi.buffalo.edu

Heisenberg was probably here!




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Re: [ccp4bb] [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Tristan Croll]

Sorry - didn't realise that was going out to the whole list, and just 
made a liar out of myself. Will bow out now.


On 2016-11-10 10:20, Tristan Croll wrote:

Hi Elton,

I certainly didn't say I agreed with their choice or thought it was a
good one. But as someone who grew up in a low-income, low-employment
environment myself this has the ring of truth to it. I totally agree
with you (and worry just as much) regarding the proliferation of
anti-expert sentiment - but I don't think it's necessarily the biggest
cause of what just happened in this case. It seems to me that a great
many people didn't vote for Trump because of who he was, but *in
spite* of who he was - given the choice between two people who they
perceived as corrupt, malevolent billionaires, they went for the one
who wasn't part of the political machine they see as irrevocably
broken, and at least said some things to indicate that he noticed
them. Essentially a protest vote, just on a country-wide scale. I just
hope the consequences won't be as severe as we all fear.

My personal answer to your final question comes in two parts:

(1) As I understand it, there's at least some indication that it isn't
as bad as it seems (or, more precisely, it's always been at least this
bad, but we just couldn't see it as clearly before). History is
littered with extreme examples of anti-science gaining control at the
highest levels of government (Lysenkoism, witch hunts, creationism,
etc.). At least these days it seems science is mostly on the front
foot (anti-science movements and politicians seem to be mostly
fighting a slowly losing battle against concepts introduced by
scientists, rather than scientists mostly fighting back against
unscientific dogma).

(2) A big part of the solution has to be in communication. Our ability
to communicate our work (and its importance) directly to the public
has never been greater. That "directly" bit is important, because
science journalists and even university PR departments have
historically had a habit of both mangling the science and overblowing
its impact between the scientist and the newsprint. Providing clear,
accessible and, above all, friendly explanations of key work online
can count for a heck of a lot.

Yes, we're certainly facing big problems - but I'm not yet ready to 
despair.


Best regards,

Tristan





On 2016-11-10 09:47, Elton Zeqiraj wrote:

Hi Tristan,

I’m afraid I don’t get the logic in the article you sent. In this
case the farmers who are crying for the attention of the people in
shiny palaces have voted for one who lives in golden mansions.

For me the really worrying thing here is how can so many people be
misled by a false prophet who lies and misbehaves so much. It is a
systemic problem in our society. We never before had so much access to
information, and yet it is so easy to mislead people.

People understood what Trump was and they basically said: “I don’t
care”! We are living in a world where people don’t care about
facts, they just say “I know it to be true”. As scientists whose
job and mission in life is to further and pass knowledge, it is very
serious that we are in this post-truth era. It affects us all when we
talk about climate change, evidence based treatments in our hospitals,
GM debate, etc.

Instead of making this about Trump, I would like to pose a different
question: How are we going to deal with the anti-expert movement that
is now so prominent in our society?

Cheers,
Elton


On Nov 10, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Tristan Croll  wrote:

In the interests of promoting understanding... the link below is to
an article on what is ostensibly a comedy website and contains a bit
of coarse language, but nevertheless is quite possibly the most
insightful exposition of the situation I've come across. The
two-sentence synopsis: don't think of this as the forces of hate,
fear and ignorance winning. Think of it as a cry for attention from
a large number of people who are seriously struggling and (mostly
correctly) see their problems as being ignored by the system.
Writing them off as ignorant and hateful isn't the answer.

In agreement with various others, this is my first and last post
referencing politics or religion on this forum.



http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

[1]

On 2016-11-10 08:00, Marjolein Thunnissen wrote:
Dear Bill,
I fully agree with you, awareness has to be spread and one should
not
ignore politics completely, especially when there are so strong
anti-intellectual (anti-science) statements out there.
best regards
Marjolein
On 10 Nov 2016, at 04:17, William G. Scott  wrote:
Dear Edward et al:
I agree we shouldn’t engage in partisan arguments on the CCP4bb.
However, I think it is a mistake, and perhaps a missed opportunity,
to ignore politics completely.
For example, Newt Gingrich is currently in the running for Sec HHS.
He has previously written editorials in the NYT and Wall Street
Journal advocating 

Re: [ccp4bb] [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Tristan Croll]

Hi Elton,

I certainly didn't say I agreed with their choice or thought it was a 
good one. But as someone who grew up in a low-income, low-employment 
environment myself this has the ring of truth to it. I totally agree 
with you (and worry just as much) regarding the proliferation of 
anti-expert sentiment - but I don't think it's necessarily the biggest 
cause of what just happened in this case. It seems to me that a great 
many people didn't vote for Trump because of who he was, but *in spite* 
of who he was - given the choice between two people who they perceived 
as corrupt, malevolent billionaires, they went for the one who wasn't 
part of the political machine they see as irrevocably broken, and at 
least said some things to indicate that he noticed them. Essentially a 
protest vote, just on a country-wide scale. I just hope the consequences 
won't be as severe as we all fear.


My personal answer to your final question comes in two parts:

(1) As I understand it, there's at least some indication that it isn't 
as bad as it seems (or, more precisely, it's always been at least this 
bad, but we just couldn't see it as clearly before). History is littered 
with extreme examples of anti-science gaining control at the highest 
levels of government (Lysenkoism, witch hunts, creationism, etc.). At 
least these days it seems science is mostly on the front foot 
(anti-science movements and politicians seem to be mostly fighting a 
slowly losing battle against concepts introduced by scientists, rather 
than scientists mostly fighting back against unscientific dogma).


(2) A big part of the solution has to be in communication. Our ability 
to communicate our work (and its importance) directly to the public has 
never been greater. That "directly" bit is important, because science 
journalists and even university PR departments have historically had a 
habit of both mangling the science and overblowing its impact between 
the scientist and the newsprint. Providing clear, accessible and, above 
all, friendly explanations of key work online can count for a heck of a 
lot.


Yes, we're certainly facing big problems - but I'm not yet ready to 
despair.


Best regards,

Tristan





On 2016-11-10 09:47, Elton Zeqiraj wrote:

Hi Tristan,

I’m afraid I don’t get the logic in the article you sent. In this
case the farmers who are crying for the attention of the people in
shiny palaces have voted for one who lives in golden mansions.

For me the really worrying thing here is how can so many people be
misled by a false prophet who lies and misbehaves so much. It is a
systemic problem in our society. We never before had so much access to
information, and yet it is so easy to mislead people.

People understood what Trump was and they basically said: “I don’t
care”! We are living in a world where people don’t care about
facts, they just say “I know it to be true”. As scientists whose
job and mission in life is to further and pass knowledge, it is very
serious that we are in this post-truth era. It affects us all when we
talk about climate change, evidence based treatments in our hospitals,
GM debate, etc.

Instead of making this about Trump, I would like to pose a different
question: How are we going to deal with the anti-expert movement that
is now so prominent in our society?

Cheers,
Elton


On Nov 10, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Tristan Croll  wrote:

In the interests of promoting understanding... the link below is to
an article on what is ostensibly a comedy website and contains a bit
of coarse language, but nevertheless is quite possibly the most
insightful exposition of the situation I've come across. The
two-sentence synopsis: don't think of this as the forces of hate,
fear and ignorance winning. Think of it as a cry for attention from
a large number of people who are seriously struggling and (mostly
correctly) see their problems as being ignored by the system.
Writing them off as ignorant and hateful isn't the answer.

In agreement with various others, this is my first and last post
referencing politics or religion on this forum.



http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

[1]

On 2016-11-10 08:00, Marjolein Thunnissen wrote:
Dear Bill,
I fully agree with you, awareness has to be spread and one should
not
ignore politics completely, especially when there are so strong
anti-intellectual (anti-science) statements out there.
best regards
Marjolein
On 10 Nov 2016, at 04:17, William G. Scott  wrote:
Dear Edward et al:
I agree we shouldn’t engage in partisan arguments on the CCP4bb.
However, I think it is a mistake, and perhaps a missed opportunity,
to ignore politics completely.
For example, Newt Gingrich is currently in the running for Sec HHS.
He has previously written editorials in the NYT and Wall Street
Journal advocating doubling the budget of the NIH.
I think it is incumbent upon us to make our voices heard if such an
opportunity arises, regardless 

Re: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[R. D. Oeffner]

A good start would be to banish online social media and only use old 
fashioned newspapers as an outlet for any discourse in society. That 
includes banning reader unvetted comments sections on online newspapers.


All those "follow us on facebook/twitter" links on webpages may seem nifty 
and cute. But given the numbers of followers they devalue the authority of 
the messenger.


Rob

-Original Message- 
From: Elton Zeqiraj

Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 9:47 AM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle 
curiosity ...


Instead of making this about Trump, I would like to pose a different 
question: How are we going to deal with the anti-expert movement that is now 
so prominent in our society?


Cheers,
Elton




On Nov 10, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Tristan Croll <ti...@cam.ac.uk> wrote:


In the interests of promoting understanding... the link below is to an 
article on what is ostensibly a comedy website and contains a bit of coarse 
language, but nevertheless is quite possibly the most insightful exposition 
of the situation I've come across. The two-sentence synopsis: don't think of 
this as the forces of hate, fear and ignorance winning. Think of it as a cry 
for attention from a large number of people who are seriously struggling and 
(mostly correctly) see their problems as being ignored by the system. 
Writing them off as ignorant and hateful isn't the answer.


In agreement with various others, this is my first and last post referencing 
politics or religion on this forum.


http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

On 2016-11-10 08:00, Marjolein Thunnissen wrote:
Dear Bill,
I fully agree with you, awareness has to be spread and one should not
ignore politics completely, especially when there are so strong
anti-intellectual (anti-science) statements out there.
best regards
Marjolein
On 10 Nov 2016, at 04:17, William G. Scott <wgsc...@ucsc.edu> wrote:
Dear Edward et al:
I agree we shouldn’t engage in partisan arguments on the CCP4bb.
However, I think it is a mistake, and perhaps a missed opportunity,
to ignore politics completely.
For example, Newt Gingrich is currently in the running for Sec HHS.
He has previously written editorials in the NYT and Wall Street
Journal advocating doubling the budget of the NIH.
I think it is incumbent upon us to make our voices heard if such an
opportunity arises, regardless of what one may happen to think about
the individual’s political orientation, as it could potentially be
of enormous benefit to the scientific community.
Yours faithfully,
William G. Scott
Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
Professor, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA
University of California at Santa Cruz
Santa Cruz, California 95064
USA
http://scottlab.ucsc.edu [1]
On Nov 9, 2016, at 9:02 AM, Edward Snell <esn...@hwi.buffalo.edu>
wrote:
As a Brexit and Trumpet affected person having a foot in both
countries ,this topic is too far off the normal discussion on CCP4
and probably better taken up privately. CCP4 is not a political
discussion site. With CCP4 the signal is unusually high and the
noise low when compared to any discussion board. I for one would
like to keep it there. Political views aside, we’re all trying
to achieve the same scientific goals. Let’s remember that and
keep that the focus.
Edward Snell Ph.D.
President and CEO Hauptman-Woodward Medical Research Institute
Assistant Prof. Department of Structural Biology, University at
Buffalo
700 Ellicott Street, Buffalo, NY 14203-1102
Phone: (716) 898 8631 Fax: (716) 898 8660
Skype: eddie.snell Email: esn...@hwi.buffalo.edu

Heisenberg was probably here!
DR. MARJOLEIN THUNNISSEN
Head User Office
MAX IV Laboratory
Lund University
P.O. Box 118, SE-221 00 Lund, Sweden
Visiting address: Fotongatan 2, 225 94 Lund
Telephone: +46 46 2224668
Mobile: +46 766 32 04 17
www.maxliv.lu.se [2]
Links:
--
[1] http://scottlab.ucsc.edu
[2] http://www.maxlab.lu.se/

Re: [ccp4bb] [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Elton Zeqiraj]

Hi Tristan,

I’m afraid I don’t get the logic in the article you sent. In this case the 
farmers who are crying for the attention of the people in shiny palaces have 
voted for one who lives in golden mansions. 

For me the really worrying thing here is how can so many people be misled by a 
false prophet who lies and misbehaves so much. It is a systemic problem in our 
society. We never before had so much access to information, and yet it is so 
easy to mislead people. 

People understood what Trump was and they basically said: “I don’t care”! We 
are living in a world where people don’t care about facts, they just say “I 
know it to be true”. As scientists whose job and mission in life is to further 
and pass knowledge, it is very serious that we are in this post-truth era. It 
affects us all when we talk about climate change, evidence based treatments in 
our hospitals, GM debate, etc.

Instead of making this about Trump, I would like to pose a different question: 
How are we going to deal with the anti-expert movement that is now so prominent 
in our society? 

Cheers,
Elton 



> On Nov 10, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Tristan Croll  wrote:
> 
> In the interests of promoting understanding... the link below is to an 
> article on what is ostensibly a comedy website and contains a bit of coarse 
> language, but nevertheless is quite possibly the most insightful exposition 
> of the situation I've come across. The two-sentence synopsis: don't think of 
> this as the forces of hate, fear and ignorance winning. Think of it as a cry 
> for attention from a large number of people who are seriously struggling and 
> (mostly correctly) see their problems as being ignored by the system. Writing 
> them off as ignorant and hateful isn't the answer.
> 
> In agreement with various others, this is my first and last post referencing 
> politics or religion on this forum.
> 
> http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/ 
> 
> 
> On 2016-11-10 08:00, Marjolein Thunnissen wrote:
>> Dear Bill,
>> I fully agree with you, awareness has to be spread and one should not
>> ignore politics completely, especially when there are so strong
>> anti-intellectual (anti-science) statements out there.
>> best regards
>> Marjolein
>>> On 10 Nov 2016, at 04:17, William G. Scott  wrote:
>>> Dear Edward et al:
>>> I agree we shouldn’t engage in partisan arguments on the CCP4bb.
>>> However, I think it is a mistake, and perhaps a missed opportunity,
>>> to ignore politics completely.
>>> For example, Newt Gingrich is currently in the running for Sec HHS.
>>> He has previously written editorials in the NYT and Wall Street
>>> Journal advocating doubling the budget of the NIH.
>>> I think it is incumbent upon us to make our voices heard if such an
>>> opportunity arises, regardless of what one may happen to think about
>>> the individual’s political orientation, as it could potentially be
>>> of enormous benefit to the scientific community.
>>> Yours faithfully,
>>> William G. Scott
>>> Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
>>> Professor, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
>>> and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA
>>> University of California at Santa Cruz
>>> Santa Cruz, California 95064
>>> USA
>>> http://scottlab.ucsc.edu  [1]
 On Nov 9, 2016, at 9:02 AM, Edward Snell >
 wrote:
 As a Brexit and Trumpet affected person having a foot in both
 countries ,this topic is too far off the normal discussion on CCP4
 and probably better taken up privately. CCP4 is not a political
 discussion site. With CCP4 the signal is unusually high and the
 noise low when compared to any discussion board. I for one would
 like to keep it there. Political views aside, we’re all trying
 to achieve the same scientific goals. Let’s remember that and
 keep that the focus.
 Edward Snell Ph.D.
 President and CEO Hauptman-Woodward Medical Research Institute
 Assistant Prof. Department of Structural Biology, University at
 Buffalo
 700 Ellicott Street, Buffalo, NY 14203-1102
 Phone: (716) 898 8631 Fax: (716) 898 8660
 Skype: eddie.snell Email: esn...@hwi.buffalo.edu 
 
 
 Heisenberg was probably here!
>> DR. MARJOLEIN THUNNISSEN
>> Head User Office
>> MAX IV Laboratory
>> Lund University
>> P.O. Box 118, SE-221 00 Lund, Sweden
>> Visiting address: Fotongatan 2, 225 94 Lund
>> Telephone: +46 46 2224668
>> Mobile: +46 766 32 04 17
>> www.maxliv.lu.se  [2]
>> Links:
>> --
>> [1] http://scottlab.ucsc.edu 
>> [2] http://www.maxlab.lu.se/ 

Re: [ccp4bb] [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Phil Evans]

From letters in yesterday’s Guardian:-

today is 9/11

Make America grate again



> On 10 Nov 2016, at 08:00, Marjolein Thunnissen 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear Bill,
> 
> I fully agree with you, awareness has to be spread and one should not ignore 
> politics completely, especially when there are so strong anti-intellectual 
> (anti-science) statements out there.
> 
> best regards
> 
> Marjolein
> 
>> On 10 Nov 2016, at 04:17, William G. Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Edward et al:
>> 
>> I agree we shouldn’t engage in partisan arguments on the CCP4bb.  However, I 
>> think it is a mistake, and perhaps a missed opportunity, to ignore politics 
>> completely.
>> 
>> For example, Newt Gingrich is currently in the running for Sec HHS.  He has 
>> previously written editorials in the NYT and Wall Street Journal advocating 
>> doubling the budget of the NIH.  
>> 
>> I think it is incumbent upon us to make our voices heard if such an 
>> opportunity arises, regardless of what one may happen to think about the 
>> individual’s political orientation, as it could potentially be of enormous 
>> benefit to the scientific community.
>> 
>> Yours faithfully,
>> 
>> William G. Scott
>> Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
>> Professor, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
>> and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA
>> University of California at Santa Cruz
>> Santa Cruz, California 95064
>> USA
>> 
>> http://scottlab.ucsc.edu
>> 
>>> On Nov 9, 2016, at 9:02 AM, Edward Snell  wrote:
>>> 
>>> As a Brexit and Trumpet affected person having a foot in both countries 
>>> ,this topic is too far off the normal discussion on CCP4 and probably 
>>> better taken up privately.  CCP4 is not a political discussion site. With 
>>> CCP4 the signal is unusually high and the noise low when compared to any 
>>> discussion board. I for one would like to keep it there. Political views 
>>> aside, we’re all trying to achieve the same scientific goals. Let’s 
>>> remember that and keep that the focus.
>>> 
>>> Edward Snell Ph.D.
>>> President and CEO Hauptman-Woodward Medical Research Institute
>>> Assistant Prof. Department of Structural Biology, University at Buffalo
>>> 700 Ellicott Street, Buffalo, NY 14203-1102
>>> Phone: (716) 898 8631 Fax: (716) 898 8660
>>> Skype:  eddie.snell Email: esn...@hwi.buffalo.edu 
>>> 
>>> Heisenberg was probably here!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dr. Marjolein Thunnissen
> Head User Office
> 
> MAX IV Laboratory
> Lund University
> P.O. Box 118, SE-221 00 Lund, Sweden
> Visiting address: Fotongatan 2, 225 94 Lund
> Telephone:+46 46 2224668
> Mobile:  +46 766 32 04 17
> www.maxliv.lu.se
> 
> 

Re: [ccp4bb] [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Marjolein Thunnissen]

Dear Bill,

I fully agree with you, awareness has to be spread and one should not ignore 
politics completely, especially when there are so strong anti-intellectual 
(anti-science) statements out there.

best regards

Marjolein

On 10 Nov 2016, at 04:17, William G. Scott 
> wrote:

Dear Edward et al:

I agree we shouldn’t engage in partisan arguments on the CCP4bb.  However, I 
think it is a mistake, and perhaps a missed opportunity, to ignore politics 
completely.

For example, Newt Gingrich is currently in the running for Sec HHS.  He has 
previously written editorials in the NYT and Wall Street Journal advocating 
doubling the budget of the NIH.

I think it is incumbent upon us to make our voices heard if such an opportunity 
arises, regardless of what one may happen to think about the individual’s 
political orientation, as it could potentially be of enormous benefit to the 
scientific community.

Yours faithfully,

William G. Scott
Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
Professor, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA
University of California at Santa Cruz
Santa Cruz, California 95064
USA

http://scottlab.ucsc.edu

On Nov 9, 2016, at 9:02 AM, Edward Snell  wrote:

As a Brexit and Trumpet affected person having a foot in both countries ,this 
topic is too far off the normal discussion on CCP4 and probably better taken up 
privately.  CCP4 is not a political discussion site. With CCP4 the signal is 
unusually high and the noise low when compared to any discussion board. I for 
one would like to keep it there. Political views aside, we’re all trying to 
achieve the same scientific goals. Let’s remember that and keep that the focus.

Edward Snell Ph.D.
President and CEO Hauptman-Woodward Medical Research Institute
Assistant Prof. Department of Structural Biology, University at Buffalo
700 Ellicott Street, Buffalo, NY 14203-1102
Phone: (716) 898 8631 Fax: (716) 898 8660
Skype:  eddie.snell Email: esn...@hwi.buffalo.edu

Heisenberg was probably here!

[cid:3A2194AC-734C-45EB-B5A7-CE7FC0F0F1BC]






Dr. Marjolein Thunnissen
Head User Office

MAX IV Laboratory
Lund University
P.O. Box 118, SE-221 00 Lund, Sweden
Visiting address: Fotongatan 2, 225 94 Lund
Telephone:+46 46 2224668
Mobile:  +46 766 32 04 17
www.maxliv.lu.se

Re: [ccp4bb] FW: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Sergio A. Sampieri]

It is better to light a candle than curse the darkness...

Enviado desde mi iPhone

> El 10/11/2016, a las 01:17, William G. Scott  escribió:
> 
> Dear Edward et al:
> 
> I agree we shouldn’t engage in partisan arguments on the CCP4bb.  However, I 
> think it is a mistake, and perhaps a missed opportunity, to ignore politics 
> completely.
> 
> For example, Newt Gingrich is currently in the running for Sec HHS.  He has 
> previously written editorials in the NYT and Wall Street Journal advocating 
> doubling the budget of the NIH.  
> 
> I think it is incumbent upon us to make our voices heard if such an 
> opportunity arises, regardless of what one may happen to think about the 
> individual’s political orientation, as it could potentially be of enormous 
> benefit to the scientific community.
> 
> Yours faithfully,
> 
> William G. Scott
> Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
> Professor, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
> and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA
> University of California at Santa Cruz
> Santa Cruz, California 95064
> USA
> 
> http://scottlab.ucsc.edu
> 
>> On Nov 9, 2016, at 9:02 AM, Edward Snell  wrote:
>> 
>> As a Brexit and Trumpet affected person having a foot in both countries 
>> ,this topic is too far off the normal discussion on CCP4 and probably better 
>> taken up privately.  CCP4 is not a political discussion site. With CCP4 the 
>> signal is unusually high and the noise low when compared to any discussion 
>> board. I for one would like to keep it there. Political views aside, we’re 
>> all trying to achieve the same scientific goals. Let’s remember that and 
>> keep that the focus.
>> 
>> Edward Snell Ph.D.
>> President and CEO Hauptman-Woodward Medical Research Institute
>> Assistant Prof. Department of Structural Biology, University at Buffalo
>> 700 Ellicott Street, Buffalo, NY 14203-1102
>> Phone: (716) 898 8631 Fax: (716) 898 8660
>> Skype:  eddie.snell Email: esn...@hwi.buffalo.edu 
>> 
>> Heisenberg was probably here!

Re: [ccp4bb] FW: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[William G. Scott]

Dear Edward et al:

I agree we shouldn’t engage in partisan arguments on the CCP4bb.  However, I 
think it is a mistake, and perhaps a missed opportunity, to ignore politics 
completely.

For example, Newt Gingrich is currently in the running for Sec HHS.  He has 
previously written editorials in the NYT and Wall Street Journal advocating 
doubling the budget of the NIH.  

I think it is incumbent upon us to make our voices heard if such an opportunity 
arises, regardless of what one may happen to think about the individual’s 
political orientation, as it could potentially be of enormous benefit to the 
scientific community.

Yours faithfully,

William G. Scott
Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
Professor, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA
University of California at Santa Cruz
Santa Cruz, California 95064
USA

http://scottlab.ucsc.edu

> On Nov 9, 2016, at 9:02 AM, Edward Snell  wrote:
> 
> As a Brexit and Trumpet affected person having a foot in both countries ,this 
> topic is too far off the normal discussion on CCP4 and probably better taken 
> up privately.  CCP4 is not a political discussion site. With CCP4 the signal 
> is unusually high and the noise low when compared to any discussion board. I 
> for one would like to keep it there. Political views aside, we’re all trying 
> to achieve the same scientific goals. Let’s remember that and keep that the 
> focus.
>  
> Edward Snell Ph.D.
> President and CEO Hauptman-Woodward Medical Research Institute
> Assistant Prof. Department of Structural Biology, University at Buffalo
> 700 Ellicott Street, Buffalo, NY 14203-1102
> Phone: (716) 898 8631 Fax: (716) 898 8660
> Skype:  eddie.snell Email: esn...@hwi.buffalo.edu 
> 
> Heisenberg was probably here!

Re: [ccp4bb] FW: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Radu Aricescu]

Hi JPK,
Not sure about them, but I was a bit surprised to get this ID a couple of years ago: 4COF!
Nice structure nevertheless :-)
Best wishes,
Radu
On 9 Nov 2016 10:40 p.m., "Keller, Jacob" <kell...@janelia.hhmi.org> wrote:
>
> I recently was surprised to be looking at a structure with the unfortunate PDBID of 5HIT. I wonder what the authors thought when they got this ID back from RCSB!
>
>  
>
> JPK
>
>  
>
> From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Robbie Joosten
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 4:18 PM
> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] FW: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...
>
>  
>
> There is nothing wrong with discussing sex at work, either theorethical http://www.rcsb.org/pdb/search/structidSearch.do?structureId=1sex or experimental http://www.rcsb.org/pdb/explore/explore.do?structureId=3sex 
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
>
>  
>
> Van: Reza Khayat
> Verzonden: woensdag 9 november 2016 21:43
> Aan: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Onderwerp: Re: [ccp4bb] FW: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...
>
>  
>
> I Agree with Edward. No discussion of politics, religion, or sex at work.
>
>  
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Reza
>
>  
>
> Reza Khayat, PhD
>
> Assistant Professor 
>
> City College of New York
>
> Department of Chemistry
>
> New York, NY 10031
>
> 
>
> From: CCP4 bulletin board <CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK> on behalf of Gloria Borgstahl <gborgst...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 1:24 PM
> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] FW: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...
>
>  
>
> Eddie Snell for President
>
>  
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Edward Snell <esn...@hwi.buffalo.edu> wrote:
>>
>> As a Brexit and Trumpet affected person having a foot in both countries ,this topic is too far off the normal discussion on CCP4 and probably better taken up privately.  CCP4 is not a political discussion site. With CCP4 the signal is unusually high and the noise low when compared to any discussion board. I for one would like to keep it there. Political views aside, we’re all trying to achieve the same scientific goals. Let’s remember that and keep that the focus.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Edward Snell Ph.D.
>>
>> President and CEO Hauptman-Woodward Medical Research Institute
>>
>> Assistant Prof. Department of Structural Biology, University at Buffalo
>>
>> 700 Ellicott Street, Buffalo, NY 14203-1102
>>
>> Phone: (716) 898 8631 Fax: (716) 898 8660
>>
>> Skype:  eddie.snell Email: esn...@hwi.buffalo.edu 
>>
>> Heisenberg was probably here!
>>
>>  
>
>  

Re: [ccp4bb] FW: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Robbie Joosten]

There is nothing wrong with discussing sex at work, either theorethical 
http://www.rcsb.org/pdb/search/structidSearch.do?structureId=1sex or 
experimental http://www.rcsb.org/pdb/explore/explore.do?structureId=3sex ??



Sent from my Windows 10 phone

Van: Reza Khayat<mailto:rkha...@ccny.cuny.edu>
Verzonden: woensdag 9 november 2016 21:43
Aan: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK<mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>
Onderwerp: Re: [ccp4bb] FW: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle 
curiosity ...


I Agree with Edward. No discussion of politics, religion, or sex at work.


Best wishes,

Reza


Reza Khayat, PhD
Assistant Professor
City College of New York
Department of Chemistry
New York, NY 10031

From: CCP4 bulletin board <CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK> on behalf of Gloria Borgstahl 
<gborgst...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 1:24 PM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] FW: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle 
curiosity ...

Eddie Snell for President

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Edward Snell 
<esn...@hwi.buffalo.edu<mailto:esn...@hwi.buffalo.edu>> wrote:
As a Brexit and Trumpet affected person having a foot in both countries ,this 
topic is too far off the normal discussion on CCP4 and probably better taken up 
privately.  CCP4 is not a political discussion site. With CCP4 the signal is 
unusually high and the noise low when compared to any discussion board. I for 
one would like to keep it there. Political views aside, we're all trying to 
achieve the same scientific goals. Let's remember that and keep that the focus.

Edward Snell Ph.D.
President and CEO Hauptman-Woodward Medical Research Institute
Assistant Prof. Department of Structural Biology, University at Buffalo
700 Ellicott Street, Buffalo, NY 14203-1102
Phone: (716) 898 8631<tel:%28716%29%20898%208631> Fax: (716) 898 
8660<tel:%28716%29%20898%208660>
Skype:  eddie.snell Email: 
esn...@hwi.buffalo.edu<mailto:esn...@hwi.buffalo.edu>
[cid:image003.png@01D23A81.3A9485D0]
Heisenberg was probably here!

Re: [ccp4bb] FW: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Reza Khayat]

I Agree with Edward. No discussion of politics, religion, or sex at work.


Best wishes,

Reza


Reza Khayat, PhD
Assistant Professor
City College of New York
Department of Chemistry
New York, NY 10031

From: CCP4 bulletin board <CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK> on behalf of Gloria Borgstahl 
<gborgst...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 1:24 PM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] FW: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle 
curiosity ...

Eddie Snell for President

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Edward Snell 
<esn...@hwi.buffalo.edu<mailto:esn...@hwi.buffalo.edu>> wrote:
As a Brexit and Trumpet affected person having a foot in both countries ,this 
topic is too far off the normal discussion on CCP4 and probably better taken up 
privately.  CCP4 is not a political discussion site. With CCP4 the signal is 
unusually high and the noise low when compared to any discussion board. I for 
one would like to keep it there. Political views aside, we're all trying to 
achieve the same scientific goals. Let's remember that and keep that the focus.

Edward Snell Ph.D.
President and CEO Hauptman-Woodward Medical Research Institute
Assistant Prof. Department of Structural Biology, University at Buffalo
700 Ellicott Street, Buffalo, NY 14203-1102
Phone: (716) 898 8631<tel:%28716%29%20898%208631> Fax: (716) 898 
8660<tel:%28716%29%20898%208660>
Skype:  eddie.snell Email: 
esn...@hwi.buffalo.edu<mailto:esn...@hwi.buffalo.edu>
[cid:image003.png@01D23A81.3A9485D0]
Heisenberg was probably here!

Re: [ccp4bb] FW: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Gloria Borgstahl]

Eddie Snell for President

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Edward Snell 
wrote:

> As a Brexit and Trumpet affected person having a foot in both countries
> ,this topic is too far off the normal discussion on CCP4 and probably
> better taken up privately.  CCP4 is not a political discussion site. With
> CCP4 the signal is unusually high and the noise low when compared to any
> discussion board. I for one would like to keep it there. Political views
> aside, we’re all trying to achieve the same scientific goals. Let’s
> remember that and keep that the focus.
>
>
>
> Edward Snell Ph.D.
>
> President and CEO Hauptman-Woodward Medical Research Institute
>
> Assistant Prof. Department of Structural Biology, University at Buffalo
>
> 700 Ellicott Street, Buffalo, NY 14203-1102
>
> Phone: (716) 898 8631 Fax: (716) 898 8660
>
> Skype:  eddie.snell Email: esn...@hwi.buffalo.edu
>
> Heisenberg was probably here!
>
>
>

Re: [ccp4bb] FW: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Klaus Fütterer]

I would concur with Ed. I can understand the emotions, but political shouting 
should be done elsewhere. 

Let’s remain civil. 

Klaus


===
 
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Deputy Head of School
Undergraduate Admissions
Room 717, Biosciences Tower

School of Biosciences P: +44-(0)-121-414 5895
University of Birmingham  E: k.futte...@bham.ac.uk 
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===





> On 9 Nov 2016, at 17:02, Edward Snell  wrote:
> 
> As a Brexit and Trumpet affected person having a foot in both countries ,this 
> topic is too far off the normal discussion on CCP4 and probably better taken 
> up privately.  CCP4 is not a political discussion site. With CCP4 the signal 
> is unusually high and the noise low when compared to any discussion board. I 
> for one would like to keep it there. Political views aside, we’re all trying 
> to achieve the same scientific goals. Let’s remember that and keep that the 
> focus.
>  
> Edward Snell Ph.D.
> President and CEO Hauptman-Woodward Medical Research Institute
> Assistant Prof. Department of Structural Biology, University at Buffalo
> 700 Ellicott Street, Buffalo, NY 14203-1102
> Phone: (716) 898 8631 Fax: (716) 898 8660
> Skype:  eddie.snell Email: esn...@hwi.buffalo.edu 
> 
> Heisenberg was probably here!
>  

Re: [ccp4bb] FW: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[James Foadi]

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!important; }  I totally agree with you, Edward!
James


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


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As a Brexit and Trumpet affected person having a foot in both countries ,this 
topic is too far off the normal discussion on CCP4 and probably better taken up 
privately.  CCP4 is not a political discussion site. With CCP4 the signal is 
unusually high and the noise low when compared to any discussion board. I for 
one would like to keep it there. Political views aside, we’re all trying to 
achieve the same scientific goals. Let’s remember that and keep that the focus.
 
  
 
Edward Snell Ph.D.
 
President and CEO Hauptman-Woodward Medical Research Institute
 
Assistant Prof. Department of Structural Biology, University at Buffalo
 
700 Ellicott Street, Buffalo, NY 14203-1102
 
Phone: (716) 898 8631 Fax: (716) 898 8660
 
Skype:  eddie.snell Email: esn...@hwi.buffalo.edu 
 

 
Heisenberg was probably here!

  
 
 

Re: [ccp4bb] FW: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Edward Snell]

As a Brexit and Trumpet affected person having a foot in both countries ,this 
topic is too far off the normal discussion on CCP4 and probably better taken up 
privately.  CCP4 is not a political discussion site. With CCP4 the signal is 
unusually high and the noise low when compared to any discussion board. I for 
one would like to keep it there. Political views aside, we’re all trying to 
achieve the same scientific goals. Let’s remember that and keep that the focus.

Edward Snell Ph.D.
President and CEO Hauptman-Woodward Medical Research Institute
Assistant Prof. Department of Structural Biology, University at Buffalo
700 Ellicott Street, Buffalo, NY 14203-1102
Phone: (716) 898 8631 Fax: (716) 898 8660
Skype:  eddie.snell Email: esn...@hwi.buffalo.edu
[cid:image003.png@01D23A81.3A9485D0]
Heisenberg was probably here!

Re: [ccp4bb] FW: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Artem Evdokimov]

You are kidding right?

Artem

On Nov 9, 2016 11:53 AM, "John Hardin"  wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I fully understand that I will be labeled as ignorant and that I will
> likely be hated because of my views,
> but I am thrilled that Hillary lost this election.
>
> The United States has embarked on a path of immorality,
> and I am excited by the possibility of restoring the moral character and a
> measure of integrity to this once great land (“drain the swamp”).
>
> I hate to see you all go, but perhaps it is best.
> Particularly if you are no longer able see that the pursuit of a morally
> upright society is actually a good and worthy goal.
>
> Best,
> John
>

Re: [ccp4bb] FW: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[David Briggs]

Moral? Donald Trump? Really?

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016, 17:53 John Hardin  wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I fully understand that I will be labeled as ignorant and that I will
> likely be hated because of my views,
> but I am thrilled that Hillary lost this election.
>
> The United States has embarked on a path of immorality,
> and I am excited by the possibility of restoring the moral character and a
> measure of integrity to this once great land (“drain the swamp”).
>
> I hate to see you all go, but perhaps it is best.
> Particularly if you are no longer able see that the pursuit of a morally
> upright society is actually a good and worthy goal.
>
> Best,
> John
>
-- 


[image: --]

David Briggs PhD
[image: https://]about.me/david_briggs

Re: [ccp4bb] FW: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[John Hardin]

Greetings,

I fully understand that I will be labeled as ignorant and that I will likely be 
hated because of my views, 
but I am thrilled that Hillary lost this election.

The United States has embarked on a path of immorality,
and I am excited by the possibility of restoring the moral character and a 
measure of integrity to this once great land (“drain the swamp”).

I hate to see you all go, but perhaps it is best.
Particularly if you are no longer able see that the pursuit of a morally 
upright society is actually a good and worthy goal.

Best,
John

Re: [ccp4bb] FW: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Stefan Arold]

US elections, UK BREXIT, Colombia referendum . . . if you are fed up with
democracy, consider kingdoms. Middle East is still investing into science,
technology and education!

Cheers,
Stefan


On 9 November 2016 at 16:22, Noam Adir <n...@ch.technion.ac.il> wrote:

> Dear Ian,
>
>
>
> I have always thought that this saying, attributed to Lincoln, is sorely
> lacking the finishing touch, which is: “in a democracy, it is sufficient to
> fool enough of the people at the right time”. Today’s results are a prime
> example.
>
>
>
> --Noam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] *On Behalf Of *Ian
> Tickle
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2016 2:25 PM
> *To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> *Subject:* Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
> Abraham Lincoln was right, or at least this famous quote was attributed to
> him in a speech he gave in Clinton (yes!), Illinois:
>
> "You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people
> all of the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."
>
> https://www.academia.edu/2506410/A_New_Look_at_You_Can_
> Fool_All_the_People_
>
> Cheers
>
> -- Ian
>
>
>
> On 9 November 2016 at 09:49, Roberto Battistutta <
> roberto.battistu...@unipd.it> wrote:
>
> A note of optimism ... in Italy we could survive to Berlusconi ...
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Roberto.
>
>
>
> Inizio messaggio inoltrato:
>
>
>
> *Da: *"William G. Scott" <wgsc...@ucsc.edu>
>
> *Data: *09 novembre 2016 06.37.30 GMT+01.00
>
> *A: *CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
>
> *Oggetto: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...*
>
> *Rispondi a: *"William G. Scott" <wgsc...@ucsc.edu>
>
>
>
> What’s the job situation in Europe looking like for refugee scientists
> these days?
>
>
>
> William G. Scott
> Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
> Professor, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
> and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA
> University of California at Santa Cruz
> Santa Cruz, California 95064
> USA
>
> http://scottlab.ucsc.edu
>
>
>
>
>
> Roberto Battistutta
>
> Associate Professor
> Department of Chemical Sciences
> University of Padua
> via Marzolo 1, 35131 Padova - ITALY
> tel. +39.049.827.5262
> fax. +39.049.827.5829
> roberto.battistu...@unipd.it
> www.chimica.unipd.it/roberto.battistutta/
>
>
>
>
>

[ccp4bb] FW: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Noam Adir]

Dear Ian,

I have always thought that this saying, attributed to Lincoln, is sorely 
lacking the finishing touch, which is: “in a democracy, it is sufficient to 
fool enough of the people at the right time”. Today’s results are a prime 
example.

--Noam



From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Ian Tickle
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 2:25 PM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...


Abraham Lincoln was right, or at least this famous quote was attributed to him 
in a speech he gave in Clinton (yes!), Illinois:
"You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of 
the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."

https://www.academia.edu/2506410/A_New_Look_at_You_Can_Fool_All_the_People_
Cheers
-- Ian

On 9 November 2016 at 09:49, Roberto Battistutta 
<roberto.battistu...@unipd.it<mailto:roberto.battistu...@unipd.it>> wrote:
A note of optimism ... in Italy we could survive to Berlusconi ...

Best,
Roberto.

Inizio messaggio inoltrato:


Da: "William G. Scott" <wgsc...@ucsc.edu<mailto:wgsc...@ucsc.edu>>
Data: 09 novembre 2016 06.37.30 GMT+01.00
A: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK<mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>
Oggetto: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...
Rispondi a: "William G. Scott" <wgsc...@ucsc.edu<mailto:wgsc...@ucsc.edu>>

What’s the job situation in Europe looking like for refugee scientists these 
days?



William G. Scott
Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
Professor, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA
University of California at Santa Cruz
Santa Cruz, California 95064
USA

http://scottlab.ucsc.edu


Roberto Battistutta
Associate Professor
Department of Chemical Sciences
University of Padua
via Marzolo 1, 35131 Padova - ITALY
tel. +39.049.827.5262<tel:%2B39.049.827.5262>
fax. +39.049.827.5829<tel:%2B39.049.827.5829>
roberto.battistu...@unipd.it<mailto:roberto.battistu...@unipd.it>
www.chimica.unipd.it/roberto.battistutta/<http://www.chimica.unipd.it/roberto.battistutta/>

Re: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Lucas]

2016-11-09 3:56 GMT-02:00, kaiser :
> Yeah, given Europe and Canada are obvious, I think Brazil and Japan are
> actually viable alternatives if the first choices are getting too crowded.
> They do have synchrotrons and "internets".

We just had a president impeached, and the new one is forcing a law
that will freeze public spending (which is already quite low, not only
for science) for twenty years. Yes, twenty years. So I wouldn't count
Brazil as an "alternative" for refugee scientists - actually, most of
us are also among those looking for alternatives elsewhere...

Re: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Shekhar Mande]

All the refugees after Brexit, and the latest in the "most
powerful"country, can seek refuge in India. Since several millennia we have
offered- and continue to offer total detachment from anything and
everything happening around oneself, mental peace and ultimate pleasure in
the spirituality. I guess many of our friends do require a dose of
spirituality after today's development.

On 9 Nov 2016 11:08, "William G. Scott"  wrote:

> What’s the job situation in Europe looking like for refugee scientists
> these days?
>
>
>
> William G. Scott
> Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
> Professor, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
> and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA
> University of California at Santa Cruz
> Santa Cruz, California 95064
> USA
>
> http://scottlab.ucsc.edu
>

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Ian Tickle]

Abraham Lincoln was right, or at least this famous quote was attributed to
him in a speech he gave in Clinton (yes!), Illinois:

"You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people
all of the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."

https://www.academia.edu/2506410/A_New_Look_at_You_Can_Fool_All_the_People_

Cheers

-- Ian


On 9 November 2016 at 09:49, Roberto Battistutta <
roberto.battistu...@unipd.it> wrote:

> A note of optimism ... in Italy we could survive to Berlusconi ...
>
> Best,
> Roberto.
>
> Inizio messaggio inoltrato:
>
> *Da: *"William G. Scott" <wgsc...@ucsc.edu>
> *Data: *09 novembre 2016 06.37.30 GMT+01.00
> *A: *CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> *Oggetto: **[ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...*
> *Rispondi a: *"William G. Scott" <wgsc...@ucsc.edu>
>
> What’s the job situation in Europe looking like for refugee scientists
> these days?
>
>
>
> William G. Scott
> Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
> Professor, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
> and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA
> University of California at Santa Cruz
> Santa Cruz, California 95064
> USA
>
> http://scottlab.ucsc.edu
>
>
>
>
> Roberto Battistutta
> Associate Professor
> Department of Chemical Sciences
> University of Padua
> via Marzolo 1, 35131 Padova - ITALY
> tel. +39.049.827.5262
> fax. +39.049.827.5829
> roberto.battistu...@unipd.it
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>
>

[ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Roberto Battistutta]

A note of optimism ... in Italy we could survive to Berlusconi ...

Best,
Roberto.

Inizio messaggio inoltrato:

> Da: "William G. Scott" <wgsc...@ucsc.edu>
> Data: 09 novembre 2016 06.37.30 GMT+01.00
> A: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Oggetto: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...
> Rispondi a: "William G. Scott" <wgsc...@ucsc.edu>
> 
> What’s the job situation in Europe looking like for refugee scientists these 
> days?
> 
> 
> 
> William G. Scott
> Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
> Professor, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
> and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA
> University of California at Santa Cruz
> Santa Cruz, California 95064
> USA
> 
> http://scottlab.ucsc.edu



Roberto Battistutta
Associate Professor
Department of Chemical Sciences
University of Padua
via Marzolo 1, 35131 Padova - ITALY
tel. +39.049.827.5262
fax. +39.049.827.5829
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Re: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[VIE]

Le Mercredi 9 Novembre 2016 08:46 CET, David Briggs <drdavidcbri...@gmail.com> 
a écrit:

Calais University (Jungle campus) has just announced that its bureau of 
immigration will remain open until the wall is finished.
Philippe D

 will rem
> In the UK we have an authoritarian nationalist government seemingly hell
> bent on the destruction of our economy, so maybe give it a few years.
>
> Maybe try Germany? Actually - wait until after their election in 2017?
> Ditto for France.
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016, 06:33 Ricardo Padua <rpa...@brandeis.edu> wrote:
>
> > Science in Brazil will struggle with the "new" government as well, so I
> > wouldn't count on that.
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 12:56 AM, kaiser <kai...@caltech.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, given Europe and Canada are obvious, I think Brazil and Japan are
> > actually viable alternatives if the first choices are getting too crowded.
> > They do have synchrotrons and "internets".
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> >
> >
> >  Original message ----
> > From: "William G. Scott" <wgsc...@ucsc.edu>
> > Date: 11/8/16 21:37 (GMT-08:00)
> > To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> > Subject: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...
> >
> > What’s the job situation in Europe looking like for refugee scientists
> > these days?
> >
> >
> >
> > William G. Scott
> > Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
> > Professor, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
> > and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA
> > University of California at Santa Cruz
> > Santa Cruz, California 95064
> > USA
> >
> > http://scottlab.ucsc.edu
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ricardo Padua
> > Postdoctoral fellow HHMI
> > Kern Lab
> > Brandeis University
> > Waltham, MA
> >
> > --
>
>
> [image: --]
>
> David Briggs PhD
> [image: https://]about.me/david_briggs
> <https://about.me/david_briggs?promo=email_sig_source=email_sig_medium=email_sig_campaign=external_links>

Re: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Philippe BENAS]

Men,
We are are the end of a civilization. Just look at History. All signs are there.
As roman or greek empires it seems it is now our turn. Will we last another 
century or two ? May be yes. But we are inevitably towards the end.
In older civilizations common sense was maintained in large part by scientists 
who were also  the philosophers, thinkers and and some how politicians. 
Nowadays our voice is just lost into the wild...

Cheers to all and may we try our best, at our scale or on a larger one, to 
avoid a dark future...

Philippe
 Philippe BENAS, Ph.D.
X-ray diffraction and computing facilities manager

Laboratoire de Cristallographie et RMN Biologiques, UMR 8015 CNRS
Faculté de Pharmacie, Université Paris Descartes
Case 48
Av, de l'Observatoire
F-75270 PARIS cedex 06
+33.1.5373.1599
E-mails: philippe.be...@parisdescartes.fr, philippe_be...@yahoo.fr
URLs: http://lcrbw.pharmacie.univ-paris5.fr/ , 
http://lcrbw.pharmacie.univ-paris5.fr/spip.php?article18



  De : David Briggs <drdavidcbri...@gmail.com>
 À : CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK 
 Envoyé le : Mercredi 9 novembre 2016 8h46
 Objet : Re: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...
   
In the UK we have an authoritarian nationalist government seemingly hell bent 
on the destruction of our economy, so maybe give it a few years.Maybe try 
Germany? Actually - wait until after their election in 2017? Ditto for France.
On Wed, Nov 9, 2016, 06:33 Ricardo Padua <rpa...@brandeis.edu> wrote:

Science in Brazil will struggle with the "new" government as well, so I 
wouldn't count on that.

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 12:56 AM, kaiser <kai...@caltech.edu> wrote:

 Yeah, given Europe and Canada are obvious, I think Brazil and Japan are 
actually viable alternatives if the first choices are getting too crowded. They 
do have synchrotrons and "internets".


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

 Original message 
From: "William G. Scott" <wgsc...@ucsc.edu> 
Date: 11/8/16 21:37 (GMT-08:00) 
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK 
Subject: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ... 

What’s the job situation in Europe looking like for refugee scientists these 
days?



William G. Scott
Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
Professor, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA
University of California at Santa Cruz
Santa Cruz, California 95064
USA

http://scottlab.ucsc.edu




-- 
Ricardo Padua
Postdoctoral fellow HHMI
Kern Lab
Brandeis University
Waltham, MA


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Re: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[David Briggs]

In the UK we have an authoritarian nationalist government seemingly hell
bent on the destruction of our economy, so maybe give it a few years.

Maybe try Germany? Actually - wait until after their election in 2017?
Ditto for France.

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016, 06:33 Ricardo Padua <rpa...@brandeis.edu> wrote:

> Science in Brazil will struggle with the "new" government as well, so I
> wouldn't count on that.
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 12:56 AM, kaiser <kai...@caltech.edu> wrote:
>
> Yeah, given Europe and Canada are obvious, I think Brazil and Japan are
> actually viable alternatives if the first choices are getting too crowded.
> They do have synchrotrons and "internets".
>
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: "William G. Scott" <wgsc...@ucsc.edu>
> Date: 11/8/16 21:37 (GMT-08:00)
> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...
>
> What’s the job situation in Europe looking like for refugee scientists
> these days?
>
>
>
> William G. Scott
> Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
> Professor, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
> and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA
> University of California at Santa Cruz
> Santa Cruz, California 95064
> USA
>
> http://scottlab.ucsc.edu
>
>
>
>
> --
> Ricardo Padua
> Postdoctoral fellow HHMI
> Kern Lab
> Brandeis University
> Waltham, MA
>
> --


[image: --]

David Briggs PhD
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<https://about.me/david_briggs?promo=email_sig_source=email_sig_medium=email_sig_campaign=external_links>

Re: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Ricardo Padua]

Science in Brazil will struggle with the "new" government as well, so I
wouldn't count on that.

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 12:56 AM, kaiser <kai...@caltech.edu> wrote:

> Yeah, given Europe and Canada are obvious, I think Brazil and Japan are
> actually viable alternatives if the first choices are getting too crowded.
> They do have synchrotrons and "internets".
>
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: "William G. Scott" <wgsc...@ucsc.edu>
> Date: 11/8/16 21:37 (GMT-08:00)
> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...
>
> What’s the job situation in Europe looking like for refugee scientists
> these days?
>
>
>
> William G. Scott
> Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
> Professor, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
> and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA
> University of California at Santa Cruz
> Santa Cruz, California 95064
> USA
>
> http://scottlab.ucsc.edu
>



-- 
Ricardo Padua
Postdoctoral fellow HHMI
Kern Lab
Brandeis University
Waltham, MA

Re: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Keller, Jacob]

Moving out is not going to change who’s president of the most powerful country 
in the world, or make the situation any better. I wonder what would?

JPK

From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Regina 
Kettering
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 1:16 AM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

How is the UK, even with Brexit?

Regina Kettering, Ph.D. Biological Sciences University of Pittsburgh 
Pittsburgh, PA 15260

On Wednesday, November 9, 2016 1:07 AM, Edward A. Berry 
<ber...@upstate.edu<mailto:ber...@upstate.edu>> wrote:

What about China? Singapore?

On 11/09/2016 12:45 AM, Tom Peat wrote:
> I don't know about Europe, but it is very tight Down Under...
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CCP4 bulletin board 
> [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK<mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>] On Behalf Of 
> William G. Scott
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2016 4:38 PM
> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK<mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>
> Subject: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...
>
> What’s the job situation in Europe looking like for refugee scientists these 
> days?
>
>
>
> William G. Scott
> Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology Professor, Department 
> of Chemistry and Biochemistry and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA 
> University of California at Santa Cruz Santa Cruz, California 95064 USA
>
> http://scottlab.ucsc.edu<http://scottlab.ucsc.edu/>
>

Re: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Regina Kettering]

How is the UK, even with Brexit? 
 Regina Kettering, Ph.D. Biological Sciences University of Pittsburgh 
Pittsburgh, PA 15260 

On Wednesday, November 9, 2016 1:07 AM, Edward A. Berry 
<ber...@upstate.edu> wrote:
 

 What about China? Singapore?

On 11/09/2016 12:45 AM, Tom Peat wrote:
> I don't know about Europe, but it is very tight Down Under...
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of William 
> G. Scott
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2016 4:38 PM
> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...
>
> What’s the job situation in Europe looking like for refugee scientists these 
> days?
>
>
>
> William G. Scott
> Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology Professor, Department 
> of Chemistry and Biochemistry and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA 
> University of California at Santa Cruz Santa Cruz, California 95064 USA
>
> http://scottlab.ucsc.edu
>


   

Re: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Edward A. Berry]

What about China? Singapore?

On 11/09/2016 12:45 AM, Tom Peat wrote:

I don't know about Europe, but it is very tight Down Under...


-Original Message-
From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of William 
G. Scott
Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2016 4:38 PM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

What’s the job situation in Europe looking like for refugee scientists these 
days?



William G. Scott
Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology Professor, Department 
of Chemistry and Biochemistry and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA 
University of California at Santa Cruz Santa Cruz, California 95064 USA

http://scottlab.ucsc.edu

Re: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[kaiser]

Yeah, given Europe and Canada are obvious, I think Brazil and Japan are 
actually viable alternatives if the first choices are getting too crowded. They 
do have synchrotrons and "internets".


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

 Original message 
From: "William G. Scott" <wgsc...@ucsc.edu> 
Date: 11/8/16  21:37  (GMT-08:00) 
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK 
Subject: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ... 

What’s the job situation in Europe looking like for refugee scientists these 
days?



William G. Scott
Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
Professor, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA
University of California at Santa Cruz
Santa Cruz, California 95064
USA

http://scottlab.ucsc.edu

Re: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Emilia C. Arturo (Emily)]

I had previously considered to relocate, at least temporarily. But now a
part of me wants to stay and fight for what we (as scientists) have managed
to achieve.

On Nov 9, 2016 12:45 AM, "Tom Peat" <tom.p...@csiro.au> wrote:

> I don't know about Europe, but it is very tight Down Under...
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of
> William G. Scott
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2016 4:38 PM
> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...
>
> What’s the job situation in Europe looking like for refugee scientists
> these days?
>
>
>
> William G. Scott
> Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology Professor,
> Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry and The Center for the Molecular
> Biology of RNA University of California at Santa Cruz Santa Cruz,
> California 95064 USA
>
> http://scottlab.ucsc.edu
>
>

Re: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Tom Peat]

I don't know about Europe, but it is very tight Down Under... 


-Original Message-
From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of William 
G. Scott
Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2016 4:38 PM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

What’s the job situation in Europe looking like for refugee scientists these 
days?



William G. Scott
Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology Professor, Department 
of Chemistry and Biochemistry and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA 
University of California at Santa Cruz Santa Cruz, California 95064 USA

http://scottlab.ucsc.edu

Re: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Scapin, Giovanna]

There will be a lot of us I'm afraid...

> On Nov 9, 2016, at 12:38 AM, William G. Scott  wrote:
> 
> What’s the job situation in Europe looking like for refugee scientists these 
> days?
> 
> 
> 
> William G. Scott
> Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
> Professor, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
> and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA
> University of California at Santa Cruz
> Santa Cruz, California 95064
> USA
> 
> http://scottlab.ucsc.edu
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[ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[William G. Scott]

What’s the job situation in Europe looking like for refugee scientists these 
days?



William G. Scott
Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
Professor, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA
University of California at Santa Cruz
Santa Cruz, California 95064
USA

http://scottlab.ucsc.edu