Re: [ccp4bb] Phaser TFZ=100.0 ?

2007-03-12 Thread Randy J. Read

On Mar 12 2007, Andy Purkiss wrote:


Quoting Andrew Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

I was using Phaser for some MR with a data set in P1 (may not actually 
be P1, but..), and in every run I always got a list of "solutions" that 
all have TFZ=100.0, with a very small LLG (around 0 or even in the 
negative). The RFZ is like 4 or less. The solution(s) are definitely 
wrong, but I'm just curious why Phaser is doing that? Could the 
TFZ=100.0 'solutions" possibly mask out the real solutions?




Is this not because the translation search has no fixed origin (for the 
first molecule). In other words, all points are the same and placing the 
molecule fixes the origin allowing search for a second molecule. I will 
check what my P1 search showed, when I get into work!


Yes, that's basically it. Because there's no translation search for the 
first molecule in P1, there's no TFZ score, so the value of 100 is put in 
arbitrarily as a placeholder. I can see that would be a bit confusing when 
there are multiple alternative solutions. Perhaps we should just repeat the 
RFZ score.


On the particular case at hand, if the LLG scores are all around zero, 
perhaps the model resembles the true structure less than expected for the 
level of sequence identity (for instance because of unexpected 
flexibility), or the assumed content of the asymmetric unit is too low?


Randy Read


Re: [ccp4bb] Phaser TFZ=100.0 ?

2007-03-12 Thread Andy Purkiss
Quoting Andrew Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I was using Phaser for some MR with a data set in P1 (may not actually be 
> P1, but..), and in every run I always got a list of "solutions" that all 
> have TFZ=100.0, with a very small LLG (around 0 or even in the negative). 
> The RFZ is like 4 or less. The solution(s) are definitely wrong, but I'm 
> just curious why Phaser is doing that? Could the TFZ=100.0 'solutions" 
> possibly mask out the real solutions?
> 

Is this not because the translation search has no fixed origin (for the first
molecule). In other words, all points are the same and placing the molecule
fixes the origin allowing search for a second molecule. I will check what my P1
search showed, when I get into work!


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