Re: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[R. D. Oeffner]

A good start would be to banish online social media and only use old 
fashioned newspapers as an outlet for any discourse in society. That 
includes banning reader unvetted comments sections on online newspapers.


All those "follow us on facebook/twitter" links on webpages may seem nifty 
and cute. But given the numbers of followers they devalue the authority of 
the messenger.


Rob

-Original Message- 
From: Elton Zeqiraj

Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 9:47 AM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle 
curiosity ...


Instead of making this about Trump, I would like to pose a different 
question: How are we going to deal with the anti-expert movement that is now 
so prominent in our society?


Cheers,
Elton




On Nov 10, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Tristan Croll  wrote:


In the interests of promoting understanding... the link below is to an 
article on what is ostensibly a comedy website and contains a bit of coarse 
language, but nevertheless is quite possibly the most insightful exposition 
of the situation I've come across. The two-sentence synopsis: don't think of 
this as the forces of hate, fear and ignorance winning. Think of it as a cry 
for attention from a large number of people who are seriously struggling and 
(mostly correctly) see their problems as being ignored by the system. 
Writing them off as ignorant and hateful isn't the answer.


In agreement with various others, this is my first and last post referencing 
politics or religion on this forum.


http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

On 2016-11-10 08:00, Marjolein Thunnissen wrote:
Dear Bill,
I fully agree with you, awareness has to be spread and one should not
ignore politics completely, especially when there are so strong
anti-intellectual (anti-science) statements out there.
best regards
Marjolein
On 10 Nov 2016, at 04:17, William G. Scott  wrote:
Dear Edward et al:
I agree we shouldn’t engage in partisan arguments on the CCP4bb.
However, I think it is a mistake, and perhaps a missed opportunity,
to ignore politics completely.
For example, Newt Gingrich is currently in the running for Sec HHS.
He has previously written editorials in the NYT and Wall Street
Journal advocating doubling the budget of the NIH.
I think it is incumbent upon us to make our voices heard if such an
opportunity arises, regardless of what one may happen to think about
the individual’s political orientation, as it could potentially be
of enormous benefit to the scientific community.
Yours faithfully,
William G. Scott
Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
Professor, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA
University of California at Santa Cruz
Santa Cruz, California 95064
USA
http://scottlab.ucsc.edu [1]
On Nov 9, 2016, at 9:02 AM, Edward Snell 
wrote:
As a Brexit and Trumpet affected person having a foot in both
countries ,this topic is too far off the normal discussion on CCP4
and probably better taken up privately. CCP4 is not a political
discussion site. With CCP4 the signal is unusually high and the
noise low when compared to any discussion board. I for one would
like to keep it there. Political views aside, we’re all trying
to achieve the same scientific goals. Let’s remember that and
keep that the focus.
Edward Snell Ph.D.
President and CEO Hauptman-Woodward Medical Research Institute
Assistant Prof. Department of Structural Biology, University at
Buffalo
700 Ellicott Street, Buffalo, NY 14203-1102
Phone: (716) 898 8631 Fax: (716) 898 8660
Skype: eddie.snell Email: esn...@hwi.buffalo.edu

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Re: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Lucas]

2016-11-09 3:56 GMT-02:00, kaiser :
> Yeah, given Europe and Canada are obvious, I think Brazil and Japan are
> actually viable alternatives if the first choices are getting too crowded.
> They do have synchrotrons and "internets".

We just had a president impeached, and the new one is forcing a law
that will freeze public spending (which is already quite low, not only
for science) for twenty years. Yes, twenty years. So I wouldn't count
Brazil as an "alternative" for refugee scientists - actually, most of
us are also among those looking for alternatives elsewhere...

Re: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Shekhar Mande]

All the refugees after Brexit, and the latest in the "most
powerful"country, can seek refuge in India. Since several millennia we have
offered- and continue to offer total detachment from anything and
everything happening around oneself, mental peace and ultimate pleasure in
the spirituality. I guess many of our friends do require a dose of
spirituality after today's development.

On 9 Nov 2016 11:08, "William G. Scott"  wrote:

> What’s the job situation in Europe looking like for refugee scientists
> these days?
>
>
>
> William G. Scott
> Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
> Professor, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
> and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA
> University of California at Santa Cruz
> Santa Cruz, California 95064
> USA
>
> http://scottlab.ucsc.edu
>

Re: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[VIE]

Le Mercredi 9 Novembre 2016 08:46 CET, David Briggs  
a écrit:

Calais University (Jungle campus) has just announced that its bureau of 
immigration will remain open until the wall is finished.
Philippe D

 will rem
> In the UK we have an authoritarian nationalist government seemingly hell
> bent on the destruction of our economy, so maybe give it a few years.
>
> Maybe try Germany? Actually - wait until after their election in 2017?
> Ditto for France.
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016, 06:33 Ricardo Padua  wrote:
>
> > Science in Brazil will struggle with the "new" government as well, so I
> > wouldn't count on that.
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 12:56 AM, kaiser  wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, given Europe and Canada are obvious, I think Brazil and Japan are
> > actually viable alternatives if the first choices are getting too crowded.
> > They do have synchrotrons and "internets".
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> >
> >
> >  Original message 
> > From: "William G. Scott" 
> > Date: 11/8/16 21:37 (GMT-08:00)
> > To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> > Subject: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...
> >
> > What’s the job situation in Europe looking like for refugee scientists
> > these days?
> >
> >
> >
> > William G. Scott
> > Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
> > Professor, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
> > and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA
> > University of California at Santa Cruz
> > Santa Cruz, California 95064
> > USA
> >
> > http://scottlab.ucsc.edu
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ricardo Padua
> > Postdoctoral fellow HHMI
> > Kern Lab
> > Brandeis University
> > Waltham, MA
> >
> > --
>
>
> [image: --]
>
> David Briggs PhD
> [image: https://]about.me/david_briggs
> 

Re: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Philippe BENAS]

Men,
We are are the end of a civilization. Just look at History. All signs are there.
As roman or greek empires it seems it is now our turn. Will we last another 
century or two ? May be yes. But we are inevitably towards the end.
In older civilizations common sense was maintained in large part by scientists 
who were also  the philosophers, thinkers and and some how politicians. 
Nowadays our voice is just lost into the wild...

Cheers to all and may we try our best, at our scale or on a larger one, to 
avoid a dark future...

Philippe
 Philippe BENAS, Ph.D.
X-ray diffraction and computing facilities manager

Laboratoire de Cristallographie et RMN Biologiques, UMR 8015 CNRS
Faculté de Pharmacie, Université Paris Descartes
Case 48
Av, de l'Observatoire
F-75270 PARIS cedex 06
+33.1.5373.1599
E-mails: philippe.be...@parisdescartes.fr, philippe_be...@yahoo.fr
URLs: http://lcrbw.pharmacie.univ-paris5.fr/ , 
http://lcrbw.pharmacie.univ-paris5.fr/spip.php?article18



  De : David Briggs 
 À : CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK 
 Envoyé le : Mercredi 9 novembre 2016 8h46
 Objet : Re: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...
   
In the UK we have an authoritarian nationalist government seemingly hell bent 
on the destruction of our economy, so maybe give it a few years.Maybe try 
Germany? Actually - wait until after their election in 2017? Ditto for France.
On Wed, Nov 9, 2016, 06:33 Ricardo Padua  wrote:

Science in Brazil will struggle with the "new" government as well, so I 
wouldn't count on that.

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 12:56 AM, kaiser  wrote:

 Yeah, given Europe and Canada are obvious, I think Brazil and Japan are 
actually viable alternatives if the first choices are getting too crowded. They 
do have synchrotrons and "internets".


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

 Original message 
From: "William G. Scott"  
Date: 11/8/16 21:37 (GMT-08:00) 
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK 
Subject: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ... 

What’s the job situation in Europe looking like for refugee scientists these 
days?



William G. Scott
Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
Professor, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA
University of California at Santa Cruz
Santa Cruz, California 95064
USA

http://scottlab.ucsc.edu




-- 
Ricardo Padua
Postdoctoral fellow HHMI
Kern Lab
Brandeis University
Waltham, MA


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Re: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[David Briggs]

In the UK we have an authoritarian nationalist government seemingly hell
bent on the destruction of our economy, so maybe give it a few years.

Maybe try Germany? Actually - wait until after their election in 2017?
Ditto for France.

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016, 06:33 Ricardo Padua  wrote:

> Science in Brazil will struggle with the "new" government as well, so I
> wouldn't count on that.
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 12:56 AM, kaiser  wrote:
>
> Yeah, given Europe and Canada are obvious, I think Brazil and Japan are
> actually viable alternatives if the first choices are getting too crowded.
> They do have synchrotrons and "internets".
>
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: "William G. Scott" 
> Date: 11/8/16 21:37 (GMT-08:00)
> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...
>
> What’s the job situation in Europe looking like for refugee scientists
> these days?
>
>
>
> William G. Scott
> Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
> Professor, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
> and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA
> University of California at Santa Cruz
> Santa Cruz, California 95064
> USA
>
> http://scottlab.ucsc.edu
>
>
>
>
> --
> Ricardo Padua
> Postdoctoral fellow HHMI
> Kern Lab
> Brandeis University
> Waltham, MA
>
> --


[image: --]

David Briggs PhD
[image: https://]about.me/david_briggs

Re: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Ricardo Padua]

Science in Brazil will struggle with the "new" government as well, so I
wouldn't count on that.

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 12:56 AM, kaiser  wrote:

> Yeah, given Europe and Canada are obvious, I think Brazil and Japan are
> actually viable alternatives if the first choices are getting too crowded.
> They do have synchrotrons and "internets".
>
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: "William G. Scott" 
> Date: 11/8/16 21:37 (GMT-08:00)
> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...
>
> What’s the job situation in Europe looking like for refugee scientists
> these days?
>
>
>
> William G. Scott
> Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
> Professor, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
> and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA
> University of California at Santa Cruz
> Santa Cruz, California 95064
> USA
>
> http://scottlab.ucsc.edu
>



-- 
Ricardo Padua
Postdoctoral fellow HHMI
Kern Lab
Brandeis University
Waltham, MA

Re: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Keller, Jacob]

Moving out is not going to change who’s president of the most powerful country 
in the world, or make the situation any better. I wonder what would?

JPK

From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Regina 
Kettering
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 1:16 AM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

How is the UK, even with Brexit?

Regina Kettering, Ph.D. Biological Sciences University of Pittsburgh 
Pittsburgh, PA 15260

On Wednesday, November 9, 2016 1:07 AM, Edward A. Berry 
mailto:ber...@upstate.edu>> wrote:

What about China? Singapore?

On 11/09/2016 12:45 AM, Tom Peat wrote:
> I don't know about Europe, but it is very tight Down Under...
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CCP4 bulletin board 
> [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK<mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>] On Behalf Of 
> William G. Scott
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2016 4:38 PM
> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK<mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>
> Subject: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...
>
> What’s the job situation in Europe looking like for refugee scientists these 
> days?
>
>
>
> William G. Scott
> Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology Professor, Department 
> of Chemistry and Biochemistry and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA 
> University of California at Santa Cruz Santa Cruz, California 95064 USA
>
> http://scottlab.ucsc.edu<http://scottlab.ucsc.edu/>
>

Re: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Regina Kettering]

How is the UK, even with Brexit? 
 Regina Kettering, Ph.D. Biological Sciences University of Pittsburgh 
Pittsburgh, PA 15260 

On Wednesday, November 9, 2016 1:07 AM, Edward A. Berry 
 wrote:
 

 What about China? Singapore?

On 11/09/2016 12:45 AM, Tom Peat wrote:
> I don't know about Europe, but it is very tight Down Under...
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of William 
> G. Scott
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2016 4:38 PM
> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...
>
> What’s the job situation in Europe looking like for refugee scientists these 
> days?
>
>
>
> William G. Scott
> Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology Professor, Department 
> of Chemistry and Biochemistry and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA 
> University of California at Santa Cruz Santa Cruz, California 95064 USA
>
> http://scottlab.ucsc.edu
>


   

Re: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Edward A. Berry]

What about China? Singapore?

On 11/09/2016 12:45 AM, Tom Peat wrote:

I don't know about Europe, but it is very tight Down Under...


-Original Message-
From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of William 
G. Scott
Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2016 4:38 PM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

What’s the job situation in Europe looking like for refugee scientists these 
days?



William G. Scott
Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology Professor, Department 
of Chemistry and Biochemistry and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA 
University of California at Santa Cruz Santa Cruz, California 95064 USA

http://scottlab.ucsc.edu

Re: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[kaiser]

Yeah, given Europe and Canada are obvious, I think Brazil and Japan are 
actually viable alternatives if the first choices are getting too crowded. They 
do have synchrotrons and "internets".


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

 Original message 
From: "William G. Scott"  
Date: 11/8/16  21:37  (GMT-08:00) 
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK 
Subject: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ... 

What’s the job situation in Europe looking like for refugee scientists these 
days?



William G. Scott
Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
Professor, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA
University of California at Santa Cruz
Santa Cruz, California 95064
USA

http://scottlab.ucsc.edu

Re: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Emilia C. Arturo (Emily)]

I had previously considered to relocate, at least temporarily. But now a
part of me wants to stay and fight for what we (as scientists) have managed
to achieve.

On Nov 9, 2016 12:45 AM, "Tom Peat"  wrote:

> I don't know about Europe, but it is very tight Down Under...
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of
> William G. Scott
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2016 4:38 PM
> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...
>
> What’s the job situation in Europe looking like for refugee scientists
> these days?
>
>
>
> William G. Scott
> Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology Professor,
> Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry and The Center for the Molecular
> Biology of RNA University of California at Santa Cruz Santa Cruz,
> California 95064 USA
>
> http://scottlab.ucsc.edu
>
>

Re: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Tom Peat]

I don't know about Europe, but it is very tight Down Under... 


-Original Message-
From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of William 
G. Scott
Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2016 4:38 PM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

What’s the job situation in Europe looking like for refugee scientists these 
days?



William G. Scott
Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology Professor, Department 
of Chemistry and Biochemistry and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA 
University of California at Santa Cruz Santa Cruz, California 95064 USA

http://scottlab.ucsc.edu

Re: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle curiosity ...

[Scapin, Giovanna]

There will be a lot of us I'm afraid...

> On Nov 9, 2016, at 12:38 AM, William G. Scott  wrote:
> 
> What’s the job situation in Europe looking like for refugee scientists these 
> days?
> 
> 
> 
> William G. Scott
> Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
> Professor, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
> and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA
> University of California at Santa Cruz
> Santa Cruz, California 95064
> USA
> 
> http://scottlab.ucsc.edu
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