Re: HP Series 9000 early 1980’s computer hardware

[r.stricklin via cctalk]

On May 17, 2018, at 8:35 AM, Al Kossow via cctech wrote:

> Series 500 machines are quite rare. Someone should save these.

I contacted him yesterday evening about it, but haven't had a reply yet.

ok
bear.

-- 
until further notice

Re: HP Series 9000 early 1980’s computer hardware

[Ed Sharpe via cctalk]

Is HP UX that it  runs similar  to what is on the HP INTEGRAL ?
 
In a message dated 5/17/2018 3:48:52 PM US Mountain Standard Time, 
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

 
HP-UX did a fairly extensive kernel rewrite, but implemented substantially
the same system call interface. This was apparent in a number of ways (the
binary format was different from other machines in ways I can't quite
recall, not quite COFF). They did ship mostly programs from BSD and SysV,
though through quirks of the legal minefield of the early days of Unix,
they did it under their System III license, at least in the early days...
Don't know if that ever changed to a System V license or not since they
didn't have a System V kernel...

Re: HP Series 9000 early 1980’s computer hardware

[Warner Losh via cctalk]

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 4:15 PM, Frank McConnell via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> HP-UX for them is very interesting from a historical perspective in that
> the Unix kernel is a complete rewrite.  It is hosted on top of HP’s “SUN
> OS” operating system (there is also a single-user BASIC system for the
> 9020, also hosted on SUN OS) and written in HP’s MODCAL language.  The
> filesystem is HP’s Structured Directory Format.  The userland is largely
> made up of ports from AT System III (and later System V) and 4BSD.
>

HP-UX did a fairly extensive kernel rewrite, but implemented substantially
the same system call interface. This was apparent in a number of ways (the
binary format was different from other machines in ways I can't quite
recall, not quite COFF). They did ship mostly programs from BSD and SysV,
though through quirks of the legal minefield of the early days of Unix,
they did it under their System III license, at least in the early days...
Don't know if that ever changed to a System V license or not since they
didn't have a System V kernel...


> So when it is running HP-UX it looks like Unix, with some exceptions.  One
> is that if you open and read a directory from your C program there are no
> entries for . (current) or .. (parent) directories; these are done in SDF’s
> directory entry and not present in the actual Unix directory.  Yes, ls -a
> shows them: it is faking them to make it look more like Unix!
>

I think they must have fixed this, or it wasn't true for readdir(). I
ported the OI toolkit to HP-UX once upon a time and the file dialog boxes
just worked, and we had . and .. in there...


> -Frank McConnell (supported Wollongong’s TCP/IP on these)


Danger! The Sea Monster Comes!

Warner


> On May 17, 2018, at 13:48, Ed Sharpe wrote:
> >
> > actually we are lacking 9000 gear for smecc. where is it located? we are
> in AZ...
> > HP Computer Museum overseas is awesome... The site has saved us mauna
> time with the excellent documents there.
> >
> >  ed#
> >
> > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
> >
> > On Thursday, May 17, 2018 David Collins via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> > I agree with Al. Chas approached the HP Computer Museum on this and as
> much as they would be great to add to the collection, the shipping costs to
> Australia and the fact that the museum is more in a consolidation mode than
> acquisition meant we weren’t able to take them in.
> >
> > Hopefully someone close by to him would like to have these units!
> >
> > David Collins
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On 18 May 2018, at 1:35 am, Al Kossow via cctalk 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Series 500 machines are quite rare. Someone should save these.
> >>
> >>> On 5/16/18 10:00 PM, Lawrence Wilkinson via cctalk wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I own several HP 9020 work stations along with peripheral gear
> associated with that series.
> >>
> >>
>
>

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Eric Smith via cctalk]

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 12:47 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> If your email program is crapping, it is not the responsibility of
> everybody else to "adjust" their mail readers to filter out the crap.
> This group has been remarkably tolerant of NON-ASCII content.
>

I generally agree, but at least "quoted-printable" is a _standard_
encoding, and not some totally random brokenness.

Re: HP Series 9000 early 1980’s computer hardware

[Frank McConnell via cctalk]

The 9000 Series 500 is very different from later 9000s.

I don’t think there more than one speed of CPU, although there was an early and 
later CPU with the later CPU having a floating-point unit onboard.  What you 
get out of a 9000 Series 550 over a Series 520 (aka 9020) is mostly more I/O 
slots, as I recall the 9020 had a short I/O cage.  But I think the processor 
cage is the same size and can host about the same sets of cards.

The CPU is a 32-bit stack machine, very like a wide classic-3000, and there can 
be up to three CPUs in a system.  There is an IOP that front-ends a CIO-type 
I/O bus (same bus and some of the same peripheral cards used in early PA-RISC 
systems) and I think you can have two IOPs in a system.

HP-UX for them is very interesting from a historical perspective in that the 
Unix kernel is a complete rewrite.  It is hosted on top of HP’s “SUN OS” 
operating system (there is also a single-user BASIC system for the 9020, also 
hosted on SUN OS) and written in HP’s MODCAL language.  The filesystem is HP’s 
Structured Directory Format.  The userland is largely made up of ports from 
AT System III (and later System V) and 4BSD.

So when it is running HP-UX it looks like Unix, with some exceptions.  One is 
that if you open and read a directory from your C program there are no entries 
for . (current) or .. (parent) directories; these are done in SDF’s directory 
entry and not present in the actual Unix directory.  Yes, ls -a shows them: it 
is faking them to make it look more like Unix!

-Frank McConnell (supported Wollongong’s TCP/IP on these)

On May 17, 2018, at 13:48, Ed Sharpe wrote:
> 
> actually we are lacking 9000 gear for smecc. where is it located? we are in 
> AZ...
> HP Computer Museum overseas is awesome... The site has saved us mauna time 
> with the excellent documents there.
> 
>  ed#
> 
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
> 
> On Thursday, May 17, 2018 David Collins via cctalk  
> wrote:
> I agree with Al. Chas approached the HP Computer Museum on this and as much 
> as they would be great to add to the collection, the shipping costs to 
> Australia and the fact that the museum is more in a consolidation mode than 
> acquisition meant we weren’t able to take them in. 
> 
> Hopefully someone close by to him would like to have these units!
> 
> David Collins
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 18 May 2018, at 1:35 am, Al Kossow via cctalk  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Series 500 machines are quite rare. Someone should save these.
>> 
>>> On 5/16/18 10:00 PM, Lawrence Wilkinson via cctalk wrote:
>>> 
>>> I own several HP 9020 work stations along with peripheral gear associated 
>>> with that series.
>> 
>> 

Re: HP Series 9000 early 1980’s computer hardware

[Ed Sharpe via cctalk]

actually we are lacking 9000 gear for smecc. where is it located? we are in 
AZ...
HP Computer Museum overseas is awesome... The site has saved us mauna time with 
the excellent documents there.

  ed#

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

On Thursday, May 17, 2018 David Collins via cctalk  
wrote:
I agree with Al. Chas approached the HP Computer Museum on this and as much as 
they would be great to add to the collection, the shipping costs to Australia 
and the fact that the museum is more in a consolidation mode than acquisition 
meant we weren’t able to take them in. 

Hopefully someone close by to him would like to have these units!

David Collins

Sent from my iPad

> On 18 May 2018, at 1:35 am, Al Kossow via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> Series 500 machines are quite rare. Someone should save these.
> 
>> On 5/16/18 10:00 PM, Lawrence Wilkinson via cctalk wrote:
>> 
>> I own several HP 9020 work stations along with peripheral gear associated 
>> with that series.
> 
> 

Re: 6130B

[Pete Lancashire via cctalk]

I just remembered I designed and prototype a replacement D/A board but it
never got finished the client changed his mind

On Thu, May 17, 2018, 1:38 PM Pete Lancashire 
wrote:

> A different lifetime I used to use 6130s and it's cousins. We had them
> connected to pdp-11s. We actually built our own version of an io board that
> looked like 4 DR11s
>
> I no longer have the board that I do have a couple the supplies that if
> you're in Portland Oregon let me know and I'll sell them at a very
> reasonable price. I'll let
>
> On Wed, May 16, 2018, 11:49 PM Curious Marc via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>> That's the guy I got my 6130B from.
>> Marc
>>
>> > On May 16, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Glen Slick via cctalk <
>> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > That seller has listed the 6130B and two 6131B a few times. Since
>> > those are in Seattle I should see if the seller allows local pickup as
>> > the listed shipping costs are higher than the item costs. Maybe grab
>> > all three and hope at least one of them can be made to work.
>> >
>> > On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 5:13 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk
>> >  wrote:
>> >> just showed up
>> >>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-6130B-Digital-Voltage-Source-50-Volts-1-Amp/202315039951
>> >>
>>
>>

Re: 6130B

[Pete Lancashire via cctalk]

A different lifetime I used to use 6130s and it's cousins. We had them
connected to pdp-11s. We actually built our own version of an io board that
looked like 4 DR11s

I no longer have the board that I do have a couple the supplies that if
you're in Portland Oregon let me know and I'll sell them at a very
reasonable price. I'll let

On Wed, May 16, 2018, 11:49 PM Curious Marc via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> That's the guy I got my 6130B from.
> Marc
>
> > On May 16, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Glen Slick via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> > That seller has listed the 6130B and two 6131B a few times. Since
> > those are in Seattle I should see if the seller allows local pickup as
> > the listed shipping costs are higher than the item costs. Maybe grab
> > all three and hope at least one of them can be made to work.
> >
> > On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 5:13 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk
> >  wrote:
> >> just showed up
> >>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-6130B-Digital-Voltage-Source-50-Volts-1-Amp/202315039951
> >>
>
>

Re: HP Series 9000 early 1980’s computer hardware

[David Collins via cctalk]

I agree with Al.  Chas approached the HP Computer Museum on this and as much as 
they would be great to add to the collection, the shipping costs to Australia 
and the fact that the museum is more in a consolidation mode than acquisition 
meant we weren’t able to take them in. 

Hopefully someone close by to him would like to have these units!

David Collins

Sent from my iPad

> On 18 May 2018, at 1:35 am, Al Kossow via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> Series 500 machines are quite rare. Someone should save these.
> 
>> On 5/16/18 10:00 PM, Lawrence Wilkinson via cctalk wrote:
>> 
>> I own several HP 9020 work stations along with peripheral gear associated 
>> with that series.
> 
> 

RE: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Dave Wade via cctalk]

2018, at 11:47, Fred Cisin wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 17 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
> >> yep we see them but we did not type them intentionally
> >
> > https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/06/13/we/
> >
> >> may way to adjust your mail reader reader as they do not show up in any
> of the mail readers we have access to.

Possibly not but as a UK citizen I find that if I use £ or € then these can't 
be represented as "ASCII" (whatever that is) 

http://www.aivosto.com/vbtips/charsets-7bit.html


Dave

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Ed Sharpe via cctalk]

there seems to be a difference sometimes in quote in ms word and regular ascii 
when posting some things some places

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

On Thursday, May 17, 2018 Frank McConnell via cctalk  
wrote:
On May 17, 2018, at 11:47, Fred Cisin wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 17 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
>> yep we see them but we did not type them intentionally 
> 
> https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/06/13/we/
> 
>> may way to adjust your mail reader reader as they do not show up in any of 
>> the mail readers we have access to.
>> Ed# 
> 
> If your email program is crapping, it is not the responsibility of everybody 
> else to "adjust" their mail readers to filter out the crap.
> This group has been remarkably tolerant of NON-ASCII content.
> 
> Many already have configurations that do such filtering, and are not seeing 
> all of the mess.
> Others just assume that your mail client, or your keyboard is BROKEN.
> Would cleaning the contacts of your space bar reduce the bounce and noise it 
> produces?
> Perhaps also repair the rest of the punctuation keys, if the keyboard has 
> any, and at least one of the shift keys.
> 
> That is assuming that it is a keyboard, and not a telegraph key, nor OCR of 
> crayon drawings.

My guess is (and has been for a while) "dictated to Cortana". And his Cortana 
is sometimes hard of hearing because the mic got buried under something.

We live in interesting times in which the future is here but not evenly 
distributed. For many modern e-mail user programs, the default character set 
for plain text is no longer US-ASCII or some local national variation but 
Unicode. And the e-mail composer works hard to notice that its user has typed a 
quotation mark so it can promote it into some other Unicode quotation mark 
(e.g. " gets turned into LEFT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK). It then gets sent as 
text/plain, but with UTF-8 encoding; and some but not all combinations of mail 
readers and display devices can show Unicode characters in UTF-8 encoding.

So if you insist on reading your e-mail with a VT100 or even an HP 700/92, some 
e-mail is looking funny and more will; but some of the newer terminal emulators 
(e.g. Terminal.app on macOS) are capable of displaying Unicode from a received 
UTF-8 stream, and that is why reports of success with Alpine vary: people 
running it from a terminal that understands UTF-8 see the non-breaking space 
characters as blanks, while those who run it from a terminal that understands 
only US-ASCII see them as something else.

Right at the moment I am using Apple Mail and it is one of those things that 
does character promotion, and sometimes I have uses for that. I think I may 
have fixed this message, but that fixing is a conscious effort and takes some 
work to retype those quotation marks and move away from them with some care, 
and then check again before you send because sometimes it re-scans and 
re-promotes.

-Frank McConnell

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Frank McConnell via cctalk]

On May 17, 2018, at 11:47, Fred Cisin wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 17 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
>> yep we see them  but   we  did not  type them intentionally  
> 
> https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/06/13/we/
> 
>> may way to adjust  your  mail reader reader as  they do not  show up in   
>> any of the  mail readers  we have access to.
>> Ed# 
> 
> If your email program is crapping, it is not the responsibility of everybody 
> else to "adjust" their mail readers to filter out the crap.
> This group has been remarkably tolerant of NON-ASCII content.
> 
> Many already have configurations that do such filtering, and are not seeing 
> all of the mess.
> Others just assume that your mail client, or your keyboard is BROKEN.
> Would cleaning the contacts of your space bar reduce the bounce and noise it 
> produces?
> Perhaps also repair the rest of the punctuation keys, if the keyboard has 
> any, and at least one of the shift keys.
> 
> That is assuming that it is a keyboard, and not a telegraph key, nor OCR of 
> crayon drawings.

My guess is (and has been for a while) "dictated to Cortana".  And his Cortana 
is sometimes hard of hearing because the mic got buried under something.

We live in interesting times in which the future is here but not evenly 
distributed.  For many modern e-mail user programs, the default character set 
for plain text is no longer US-ASCII or some local national variation but 
Unicode.  And the e-mail composer works hard to notice that its user has typed 
a quotation mark so it can promote it into some other Unicode quotation mark 
(e.g. " gets turned into LEFT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK).  It then gets sent as 
text/plain, but with UTF-8 encoding; and some but not all combinations of mail 
readers and display devices can show Unicode characters in UTF-8 encoding.

So if you insist on reading your e-mail with a VT100 or even an HP 700/92, some 
e-mail is looking funny and more will; but some of the newer terminal emulators 
(e.g. Terminal.app on macOS) are capable of displaying Unicode from a received 
UTF-8 stream, and that is why reports of success with Alpine vary: people 
running it from a terminal that understands UTF-8 see the non-breaking space 
characters as blanks, while those who run it from a terminal that understands 
only US-ASCII see them as something else.

Right at the moment I am using Apple Mail and it is one of those things that 
does character promotion, and sometimes I have uses for that.  I think I may 
have fixed this message, but that fixing is a conscious effort and takes some 
work to retype those quotation marks and move away from them with some care, 
and then check again before you send because sometimes it re-scans and 
re-promotes.

-Frank McConnell

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Ed Sharpe via cctalk]

OK I do know the  Pine   I used it at the stat of the internet  with a text 
browser  for webpages also. This back when I ran them on a slow  PC that was 
unable to run mosaic etc etc etc.    Wow   flashback...  and not necessarily a  
pleasant one! ( but those software items would run on darn near anything...   
Ed#
 
In a message dated 5/17/2018 12:19:25 PM US Mountain Standard Time, 
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

 
 On Thu, 17 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
> wonder how many are running that version of alpine that exists errors?
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

Are you hypothesizing that it is a specific version of Alpine that 
creates the extraneous characters, and produces the errors 
of captialization, punctuation, and inconsistent spacing?

I am using PINE, and only get the errors of captialization, punctuation, 
and inconsistent spacing.

OTOH, there are many of us with worse mispelings.

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

On Thu, 17 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:

wonder how  many are running that version of alpine that exists errors?
Sent from AOL Mobile Mail


Are you hypothesizing that it is a specific version of Alpine that 
creates the extraneous characters, and produces the errors 
of captialization, punctuation, and inconsistent spacing?


I am using PINE, and only get the errors of captialization, punctuation, 
and inconsistent spacing.


OTOH, there are many of us with worse mispelings.

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[geneb via cctalk]

On Thu, 17 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:


wonder how  many are running that version of alpine that exists errors?


The problem isn't on the destination end, it's on the origin.

Asking me to adjust my email client to fix your problem is like a noisy 
neighbor demanding I wear earplugs.


g.

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Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Ed Sharpe via cctalk]

wonder how  many are running that version of alpine that exists errors?

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

On Thursday, May 17, 2018 Fred Cisin via cctalk  wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
> yep we see them  but   we  did not  type them intentionally  

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/06/13/we/

> may way to adjust  your  mail reader reader as  they do not  show up in   any 
> of the  mail readers  we have access to.
> Ed# 

If your email program is crapping, it is not the responsibility of 
everybody else to "adjust" their mail readers to filter out the crap.
This group has been remarkably tolerant of NON-ASCII content.

Many already have configurations that do such filtering, and are not 
seeing all of the mess.
Others just assume that your mail client, or your keyboard is BROKEN.
Would cleaning the contacts of your space bar reduce the bounce and noise 
it produces?
Perhaps also repair the rest of the punctuation keys, if the keyboard 
has any, and at least one of the shift keys.

That is assuming that it is a keyboard, and not a telegraph key, nor OCR 
of crayon drawings.
OTOH, if the keyboard in question consists of a xerox of a Timex/Sinclair, 
then you are to be commended for getting output that is so close to 
being text.

"My handwriting is so bad that even my typing is illegible."

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

On Thu, 17 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:

yep we see them?? but?? ??we?? did not?? type them intentionally


https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/06/13/we/


may way to adjust?? your?? mail reader reader as?? they do not?? show up in?? 
??any of the?? mail readers?? we have access to.
Ed#??


If your email program is crapping, it is not the responsibility of 
everybody else to "adjust" their mail readers to filter out the crap.

This group has been remarkably tolerant of NON-ASCII content.

Many already have configurations that do such filtering, and are not 
seeing all of the mess.

Others just assume that your mail client, or your keyboard is BROKEN.
Would cleaning the contacts of your space bar reduce the bounce and noise 
it produces?
Perhaps also repair the rest of the punctuation keys, if the keyboard 
has any, and at least one of the shift keys.


That is assuming that it is a keyboard, and not a telegraph key, nor OCR 
of crayon drawings.
OTOH, if the keyboard in question consists of a xerox of a Timex/Sinclair, 
then you are to be commended for getting output that is so close to 
being text.


"My handwriting is so bad that even my typing is illegible."

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Chuck Guzis via cctalk]

On 05/16/2018 09:13 AM, jos via cctalk wrote:
> Visited an older collector recently, and in his shed he has a strange
> thing, labeled CDC, that somehow looks like a drum memory, but then
> again not ( drum looks too small to be usefull )
> 
> The controller that goes with is  a transistor based  monster on
> countless small pluginboards.
> 
> Pictures on  ftp://ftp.dreesen.ch/Unknown_CDC_Stuff

Finally got enough patience to let the images load.

Pulling a guess out of the thin air or some other place, my guess would
be a CDC Digigraphics controller, which used drums for display refresh.

--Chuck

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Ed Sharpe via cctalk]

yep we see them  but   we  did not  type them intentionally  
may way to adjust  your  mail reader reader as  they do not  show up in   any 
of the  mail readers  we have access to.
Ed# 
 
In a message dated 5/17/2018 10:24:41 AM US Mountain Standard Time, 
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

 
 > On Wed, 16 May 2018, geneb wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
>>
>>> OK? I? see there is a? mix? of? photos in this? directory!
>>> some? tape? reader? some? drum? 2? separate? topics.
>>> ?
>> Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two junk
>> characters at the end of every word you write. I see it in Alpine and it
>> makes your text nearly unreadable. :)


I get the digest and see question mark characters after most words. Perhaps 
they will show in the above quoted message, which I copied out of the digest.

Bob

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Robert Feldman via cctalk]

> On Wed, 16 May 2018, geneb wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
>>
>>> OK? I? see there is a? mix? of? photos in this? directory!
>>> some? tape? reader? some? drum? 2? separate? topics.
>>> ?
>> Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two junk
>> characters at the end of every word you write.  I see it in Alpine and it
>> makes your text nearly unreadable. :)


I get the digest and see question mark characters after most words. Perhaps 
they will show in the above quoted message, which I copied out of the digest.

Bob

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Al Kossow via cctalk]

On 5/16/18 9:13 AM, jos via cctalk wrote:
> Visited an older collector recently, and in his shed he has a strange thing, 
> labeled CDC, that somehow looks like a drum
> memory, but then again not ( drum looks too small to be usefull )
> 
> The controller that goes with is  a transistor based  monster on countless 
> small pluginboards.
> 


If you get back over there, try to find CDC ID tags on the drum and controller.
There would normally be a model number badge somewhere on the outside.

Being that there was a 350 paper tape reader, I'm guessing its for one of their 
smaller systems,
maybe an early model 1700

Re: HP Series 9000 early 1980’s computer hardware

[Al Kossow via cctalk]

Series 500 machines are quite rare. Someone should save these.

On 5/16/18 10:00 PM, Lawrence Wilkinson via cctalk wrote:

> I own several HP 9020 work stations along with peripheral gear associated 
> with that series.

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Kyle Owen via cctalk]

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:11 AM, geneb via cctalk 
wrote:

> On Thu, 17 May 2018, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote:
>
> On Wed, 16 May 2018, geneb wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
>>>
>>> OK  I  see there is a  mix  of  photos in this  directory!
 some  tape  reader  some  drum  2  separate  topics.


>>> Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two
>>> junk characters at the end of every word you write.  I see it in Alpine and
>>> it makes your text nearly unreadable. :)
>>>
>>
>> I use Alpine, too, but I only see two spaces after each word, but yes, Ed
>> has the talent to write illegible postings ;-)
>>
>
> Understatement of the century. :)  It varies. Sometimes it's interspersed
> with garbage, sometimes it's multiple spaces.


Sometimes it's ALL CAPS. Maybe Ed has a Model 26 Teletype hooked up in lieu
of his computer's keyboard?

Kyle

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[geneb via cctalk]

On Thu, 17 May 2018, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote:


On Wed, 16 May 2018, geneb wrote:

On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:


OK  I  see there is a  mix  of  photos in this  directory!
some  tape  reader  some  drum  2  separate  topics.
 
Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two junk 
characters at the end of every word you write.  I see it in Alpine and it 
makes your text nearly unreadable. :)


I use Alpine, too, but I only see two spaces after each word, but yes, 
Ed has the talent to write illegible postings ;-)


Understatement of the century. :)  It varies. Sometimes it's interspersed 
with garbage, sometimes it's multiple spaces.


g.

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Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[geneb via cctalk]

On Wed, 16 May 2018, Paul Koning wrote:





On May 16, 2018, at 8:28 PM, geneb via cctalk  wrote:

On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:


OK  I  see there is a  mix  of  photos in this  directory!
some  tape  reader  some  drum  2  separate  topics.


Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two junk 
characters at the end of every word you write.  I see it in Alpine and it makes 
your text nearly unreadable. :)


You mean "=C2=A0" ?  Ed's mail has a Mime encoding "quoted-printable", 
not sure why.  If your mail reader doesn't know how to handle Mime 
headers, you'd see those encoding markers as actual text rather than as 
the character they are supposed to represent.  C2 A0 is UTF-8 for 
"non-breaking space" which explains why many others haven't noticed 
anything odd.


There's no rational reason to MIME encode the *body* of an email, unless 
of course they're using some badly written horror show that thinks HTML 
and embedded graphics are perfectly acceptable. (Those people tend to 
top-post as well, so they're basically irredeemable at that point. :) )


g.


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Re: Datasheet for Signetics spc16/10 ( Single chip Philips P800 processor ) ?

[Tony Duell via cctalk]

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 8:56 AM, jos via cctalk  wrote:
> Subject says it all :
>
> anyone has datasheets for this obscure single chip Philips P800-type
> microprocessor ?

Sorry :-(

The only single-chip P800 I have any information on is numbered 'XSC2752',
and I don't have a data sheet for that. I do have the manual for the P870 board,
which is a single-board computer using that CPU. Said manual is quite a thick
document, and includes the instruction set, schematics, etc.

I could be convinced to scan it if you think it's going to be any use,
but it will
take some time.

-tony

Re: Kaypro 2000 charging

[joe heck via cctalk]

The manual and the other documentation I've found online boasts a 4 hour 
useful runtime (with light to moderate floppy use) with a 24 hour 
charge.  And yes, the unit is heavy, at about 13 pounds.

Joe

On 5/17/2018 1:17 AM, dwight via cctalk wrote:

I've used NiCads in RC radios, a long as they had transistor RC radios.

I just thought it was a little unusual to see lead acid cells for a portable. I 
guess they were more concerned about run time than weight.

Re: Datasheet for Signetics spc16/10 ( Single chip Philips P800 processor ) ?

[Christian Corti via cctalk]

On Thu, 17 May 2018, jos wrote:

( this is not related to the General Automation SPC16 family)


... wherefore I still seek for print sets, software and so on ...

Christian

Datasheet for Signetics spc16/10 ( Single chip Philips P800 processor ) ?

[jos via cctalk]

Subject says it all :

anyone has datasheets for this obscure single chip Philips P800-type 
microprocessor ?

Cant find anything but a student's report from 1981, and it is not listed in 
the Signetics databooks of the time ( +/- 1980)


( this is not related to the General Automation SPC16 family)

Jos

Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?

[Christian Corti via cctalk]

On Wed, 16 May 2018, geneb wrote:

On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:


OK  I  see there is a  mix  of  photos in this  directory!
some  tape  reader  some  drum  2  separate  topics.
 
Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two junk 
characters at the end of every word you write.  I see it in Alpine and it 
makes your text nearly unreadable. :)


I use Alpine, too, but I only see two spaces after each word, but yes, Ed 
has the talent to write illegible postings ;-)


Christian

Re: 6130B

[Curious Marc via cctalk]

That's the guy I got my 6130B from. 
Marc

> On May 16, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Glen Slick via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> That seller has listed the 6130B and two 6131B a few times. Since
> those are in Seattle I should see if the seller allows local pickup as
> the listed shipping costs are higher than the item costs. Maybe grab
> all three and hope at least one of them can be made to work.
> 
> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 5:13 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk
>  wrote:
>> just showed up
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-6130B-Digital-Voltage-Source-50-Volts-1-Amp/202315039951
>>