[cctalk] Re: VCFMW
Paul, Don't worry. I was just going to show them to new kids who don't understand. -Ken On Mon, Sep 4, 2023, 12:48 AM Paul Anderson via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > What size/vintage are you looking for? I'll try to find a few bad ones that > can't be repaired. > > Paul > > On Sun, Sep 3, 2023 at 4:10 PM KenUnix via cctalk > wrote: > > > Paul, > > > > For history's sake and to show folks do you have a couple of DEC > Flip-Chip > > cards you could part with? > > > > -Ken > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 9:52 PM Paul Anderson via cctalk < > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > > I am located about 2 hours south of Chicago, by Champaign, where 1-72, > > > I-57, and I-74 meet. > > > > > > I also forgot to mention I found a box of new punchcards and several > > > plotter pen holders. > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 3:27 AM Paul Anderson > wrote: > > > > > > > I've started pulling parts for people who have requested them and > keep > > > > finding things I had forgotten. A few things of possible interest > > > include: > > > > PDP-8A parts including backplanes, most CPU boards, 128K, MM board > > > > MM8-AA/AB > > > > 8-E boxes and boards > > > > DECMATE Rainbow, and PRO systems and parts > > > > A few 11/05, 11/10 boxes > > > > a new 54-21149 KN15 cpu > > > > VS40X 4 plane color options > > > > SI-QS 1000 board labeled QED 993 CPU > > > > Tape drive heads > > > > LA36, LA120, and other printers and parts > > > > various VTs and monitors and parts > > > > MFM and floppy drives > > > > Qbus boxes and hundreds of boards > > > > 1000s of DEC boards and parts > > > > possible a few 3000 and 5000 boxes and parts > > > > > > > > If anyone wants to stop by and look for things, please contact me off > > > list > > > > to set up a time. Most of the people who have stopped by would say I > > have > > > > quite a lot of DEC items. > > > > > > > > If you have any questions contact me off list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > End of line > > JOB TERMINATED > > >
[cctalk] Re: VCFMW
I just found a box of 11/150 and 11/780 prints including FP750, FP780 and CI780.I have other prints and manuals of which some are available. If you like compatible boards I have over 100 Dilog, Emulex, CMD, etc boards I also have BA11-M, N, and S Qbus boxes and several hundred boards. I can configure a system pretty much any way you want it. Paul On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 3:27 AM Paul Anderson wrote: > I've started pulling parts for people who have requested them and keep > finding things I had forgotten. A few things of possible interest include: > PDP-8A parts including backplanes, most CPU boards, 128K, MM board > MM8-AA/AB > 8-E boxes and boards > DECMATE Rainbow, and PRO systems and parts > A few 11/05, 11/10 boxes > a new 54-21149 KN15 cpu > VS40X 4 plane color options > SI-QS 1000 board labeled QED 993 CPU > Tape drive heads > LA36, LA120, and other printers and parts > various VTs and monitors and parts > MFM and floppy drives > Qbus boxes and hundreds of boards > 1000s of DEC boards and parts > possible a few 3000 and 5000 boxes and parts > > If anyone wants to stop by and look for things, please contact me off list > to set up a time. Most of the people who have stopped by would say I have > quite a lot of DEC items. > > If you have any questions contact me off list. >
[cctalk] Re: VCFMW
What size/vintage are you looking for? I'll try to find a few bad ones that can't be repaired. Paul On Sun, Sep 3, 2023 at 4:10 PM KenUnix via cctalk wrote: > Paul, > > For history's sake and to show folks do you have a couple of DEC Flip-Chip > cards you could part with? > > -Ken > > > On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 9:52 PM Paul Anderson via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > I am located about 2 hours south of Chicago, by Champaign, where 1-72, > > I-57, and I-74 meet. > > > > I also forgot to mention I found a box of new punchcards and several > > plotter pen holders. > > > > On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 3:27 AM Paul Anderson wrote: > > > > > I've started pulling parts for people who have requested them and keep > > > finding things I had forgotten. A few things of possible interest > > include: > > > PDP-8A parts including backplanes, most CPU boards, 128K, MM board > > > MM8-AA/AB > > > 8-E boxes and boards > > > DECMATE Rainbow, and PRO systems and parts > > > A few 11/05, 11/10 boxes > > > a new 54-21149 KN15 cpu > > > VS40X 4 plane color options > > > SI-QS 1000 board labeled QED 993 CPU > > > Tape drive heads > > > LA36, LA120, and other printers and parts > > > various VTs and monitors and parts > > > MFM and floppy drives > > > Qbus boxes and hundreds of boards > > > 1000s of DEC boards and parts > > > possible a few 3000 and 5000 boxes and parts > > > > > > If anyone wants to stop by and look for things, please contact me off > > list > > > to set up a time. Most of the people who have stopped by would say I > have > > > quite a lot of DEC items. > > > > > > If you have any questions contact me off list. > > > > > > > > -- > End of line > JOB TERMINATED >
[cctalk] Re: Friden (was Silly question about S-100 and video monitors)
On 2023-09-03 9:21 p.m., Wayne S wrote: I was thinking of the parts kits that was offered by sone arrangement between the author of a construction article and some parts house. Was handy if you really wanted to build the device. I was thinking the same thing. Now days any construction article, is just a review of some product. The one good thing about COVID, is all the retro rebuilding stuff going as more people seem had more time at home to do things. Ben.
[cctalk] Re: Friden (was Silly question about S-100 and video monitors)
I was thinking of the parts kits that was offered by sone arrangement between the author of a construction article and some parts house. Was handy if you really wanted to build the device. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 3, 2023, at 20:15, ben via cctalk wrote: > > > What kinda kits we talking about? > > Heathkit kind or the kind you could get in popular electronics? > > > http://www.sworld.com.au/steven/educ-8/ > > Give the other magazines a chance. :) > > I always looked a the 1/2 page ads. > Get a keyboard $99. 1 cent sale on 7400's. Get a second one for just a penny. > 4096 x 36 bit core , untested $89. > Printing terminal $399+ $75 shipping in the Continental USA. > NOW I have the time and money, > the surplus is GONE. > Ben. > >
[cctalk] Re: Friden (was Silly question about S-100 and video monitors)
> What kinda kits we talking about? > Heathkit kind or the kind you could get in popular electronics? http://www.sworld.com.au/steven/educ-8/ Give the other magazines a chance. :) I always looked a the 1/2 page ads. Get a keyboard $99. 1 cent sale on 7400's. Get a second one for just a penny. 4096 x 36 bit core , untested $89. Printing terminal $399+ $75 shipping in the Continental USA. NOW I have the time and money, the surplus is GONE. Ben.
[cctalk] Re: Friden (was Silly question about S-100 and video monitors)
What kinda kits we talking about? Heathkit kind or the kind you could get in popular electronics? Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 3, 2023, at 17:01, Adrian Godwin via cctalk > wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 4, 2023 at 12:33 AM ben via cctalk > wrote: > >> >> I guess the era of kit building is long gone. >> >> > Sadly, yes. The cost of bagging up all the components is large compared > with the automated assembly cost, and many people are unwilling to do > surface mount manually. Through-hole is possible for some designs but very > restricting. > > What may be feasible is having all the surface mounted parts assembled onto > a pcb and leaving through-hole parts such as pots, connectors etc. to the > builder. The SMT guys don't like doing that part.
[cctalk] Re: Friden (was Silly question about S-100 and video monitors)
On Mon, Sep 4, 2023 at 12:33 AM ben via cctalk wrote: > > I guess the era of kit building is long gone. > > Sadly, yes. The cost of bagging up all the components is large compared with the automated assembly cost, and many people are unwilling to do surface mount manually. Through-hole is possible for some designs but very restricting. What may be feasible is having all the surface mounted parts assembled onto a pcb and leaving through-hole parts such as pots, connectors etc. to the builder. The SMT guys don't like doing that part.
[cctalk] Re: Friden (was Silly question about S-100 and video monitors)
On 2023-09-03 5:08 p.m., Adrian Godwin via cctalk wrote: Yes, that's what I mean. Of course, it's no good for income-generating things but if all you want to do is make the design available, it's much less hassle than buying stocks of pcbs and mailing them out for minimal profit. It pushes the hassle of doing that onto the recipient but without the added errors of them downloading your design and sending gerbers off. I guess the era of kit building is long gone. On Mon, Sep 4, 2023 at 12:03 AM Paul Koning wrote: On Sep 3, 2023, at 5:34 PM, Adrian Godwin via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: OSHPArk and PCBWay will hold your design and let other people buy them (if you wish). This is an excellent way to do cheap on-demand distribution. I don't believe Jlcpcb offer this. OSHpark lets you post your design as an open design, and then others can just order their own for the standard OSH price. Is that what you meant by "buy"? It doesn't mean buy in the sense of money going to the designer. For my purposes this is just what I want, and I have posted my 3 boards there. paul I wonder if there is a need for generic flip chip replacements? I am thinking here with the low cost of pcb's and easy PAL programing one could duplicate most of PDP-# flip chips used. Ben.
[cctalk] Re: Friden (was Silly question about S-100 and video monitors)
Yes, that's what I mean. Of course, it's no good for income-generating things but if all you want to do is make the design available, it's much less hassle than buying stocks of pcbs and mailing them out for minimal profit. It pushes the hassle of doing that onto the recipient but without the added errors of them downloading your design and sending gerbers off. On Mon, Sep 4, 2023 at 12:03 AM Paul Koning wrote: > > > > On Sep 3, 2023, at 5:34 PM, Adrian Godwin via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > OSHPArk and PCBWay will hold your design and let other people buy them > (if > > you wish). This is an excellent way to do cheap on-demand distribution. I > > don't believe Jlcpcb offer this. > > OSHpark lets you post your design as an open design, and then others can > just order their own for the standard OSH price. Is that what you meant by > "buy"? It doesn't mean buy in the sense of money going to the designer. > > For my purposes this is just what I want, and I have posted my 3 boards > there. > > paul > > >
[cctalk] Re: Friden (was Silly question about S-100 and video monitors)
> On Sep 3, 2023, at 5:34 PM, Adrian Godwin via cctalk > wrote: > > OSHPArk and PCBWay will hold your design and let other people buy them (if > you wish). This is an excellent way to do cheap on-demand distribution. I > don't believe Jlcpcb offer this. OSHpark lets you post your design as an open design, and then others can just order their own for the standard OSH price. Is that what you meant by "buy"? It doesn't mean buy in the sense of money going to the designer. For my purposes this is just what I want, and I have posted my 3 boards there. paul
[cctalk] Re: Friden (was Silly question about S-100 and video monitors)
OSHPArk and PCBWay will hold your design and let other people buy them (if you wish). This is an excellent way to do cheap on-demand distribution. I don't believe Jlcpcb offer this. On Sun, Sep 3, 2023 at 10:32 PM Adrian Godwin wrote: > I had a couple of boards from OSHPark. They seemed a bit slower : it took > them longer to accumulate enough board orders to fill their panel needs. > For a very small board (same size as an HPIB connector) they were > excellent. Cheap, and postage included whereas the Chinese suppliers have > expensive postage (unlike what we're used to from ebay). > > However, a bigger board (still only 50mm square) was a lot more expensive. > They don't seem to have the 'cheap if it's under 100mm square' rule that > the Chinese suppliers do. > > From here (UK) it seems you need to calculate in detail to choose the > optimum for size and postage. > > On Sun, Sep 3, 2023 at 10:04 PM Paul Koning via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> >> >> > On Sep 3, 2023, at 4:47 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk < >> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: >> > >> > On 9/3/23 13:28, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: >> > >> >> I like OSHPark, US based and pretty quick, decent pricing. Low enough >> I haven't felt compelled to look for cheaper alternatives. One nice >> feature is that they take KiCAD board files directly, no need to generate >> the low level Gerber files. One oddity is their purple (or black) solder >> mask, but one gets used to it. 2 or 4 layers and some other variations. >> >> >> > >> > PCVWay will give you purple (or several other colors) for an extra >> charge. >> > >> > I think there's a link on the KiCAD PCB layout menu send your design to >> > PCBWay--or at least there was; I haven't checked lately. >> > >> > At one time, I thought that OSHPark (and I've used them) did all of >> > their production domestically, but someone told me that it's not >> > true--they send out their work to China, just like everyone else. >> >> That certainly isn't what their website says -- "about us" says >> specifically "manufactured in the USA". >> >> paul >> >> >>
[cctalk] Re: Friden (was Silly question about S-100 and video monitors)
I like OSHPark. They are not the cheapest but they also would drill tightly spaced feed thru's that I could pass wire wrap wire through ( uninsulated ). I, also, didn't need to create Gerber files for drilling ( always a possible source of errors from a past place I worked at ). I used KiCad. Their boards were purple, if that meets your fancy. Dwight From: Paul Koning via cctalk Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2023 1:28 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Cc: Paul Koning Subject: [cctalk] Re: Friden (was Silly question about S-100 and video monitors) > On Sep 2, 2023, at 3:49 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: > > On 2023-09-02 8:01 a.m., Will Cooke via cctalk wrote: >>> On 09/02/2023 8:50 AM CDT Peter Corlett via cctalk >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 01, 2023 at 04:32:57PM -0600, ben via cctalk wrote: >>> [...] I think that way has been for a while. Having a hard time finding a 68B50 >> Unicorn Electronics has the 68B50 for $7.99 >> https://www.unicornelectronics.com/IC/6800.html > $ 30 mininum order and 4 weeks shipping to canada stopped me. > $12.06 US from china. (ebay). > I am having my PCB's made from PCBWAY in china. Shipping takes longer > than them being made. ~ $100 US for the PCB's and ~ $50 for shipping and tax. I like OSHPark, US based and pretty quick, decent pricing. Low enough I haven't felt compelled to look for cheaper alternatives. One nice feature is that they take KiCAD board files directly, no need to generate the low level Gerber files. One oddity is their purple (or black) solder mask, but one gets used to it. 2 or 4 layers and some other variations. paul
[cctalk] Re: Friden (was Silly question about S-100 and video monitors)
I had a couple of boards from OSHPark. They seemed a bit slower : it took them longer to accumulate enough board orders to fill their panel needs. For a very small board (same size as an HPIB connector) they were excellent. Cheap, and postage included whereas the Chinese suppliers have expensive postage (unlike what we're used to from ebay). However, a bigger board (still only 50mm square) was a lot more expensive. They don't seem to have the 'cheap if it's under 100mm square' rule that the Chinese suppliers do. From here (UK) it seems you need to calculate in detail to choose the optimum for size and postage. On Sun, Sep 3, 2023 at 10:04 PM Paul Koning via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > On Sep 3, 2023, at 4:47 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > On 9/3/23 13:28, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > > >> I like OSHPark, US based and pretty quick, decent pricing. Low enough > I haven't felt compelled to look for cheaper alternatives. One nice > feature is that they take KiCAD board files directly, no need to generate > the low level Gerber files. One oddity is their purple (or black) solder > mask, but one gets used to it. 2 or 4 layers and some other variations. > >> > > > > PCVWay will give you purple (or several other colors) for an extra > charge. > > > > I think there's a link on the KiCAD PCB layout menu send your design to > > PCBWay--or at least there was; I haven't checked lately. > > > > At one time, I thought that OSHPark (and I've used them) did all of > > their production domestically, but someone told me that it's not > > true--they send out their work to China, just like everyone else. > > That certainly isn't what their website says -- "about us" says > specifically "manufactured in the USA". > > paul > > >
[cctalk] Re: VCFMW
Paul, For history's sake and to show folks do you have a couple of DEC Flip-Chip cards you could part with? -Ken On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 9:52 PM Paul Anderson via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I am located about 2 hours south of Chicago, by Champaign, where 1-72, > I-57, and I-74 meet. > > I also forgot to mention I found a box of new punchcards and several > plotter pen holders. > > On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 3:27 AM Paul Anderson wrote: > > > I've started pulling parts for people who have requested them and keep > > finding things I had forgotten. A few things of possible interest > include: > > PDP-8A parts including backplanes, most CPU boards, 128K, MM board > > MM8-AA/AB > > 8-E boxes and boards > > DECMATE Rainbow, and PRO systems and parts > > A few 11/05, 11/10 boxes > > a new 54-21149 KN15 cpu > > VS40X 4 plane color options > > SI-QS 1000 board labeled QED 993 CPU > > Tape drive heads > > LA36, LA120, and other printers and parts > > various VTs and monitors and parts > > MFM and floppy drives > > Qbus boxes and hundreds of boards > > 1000s of DEC boards and parts > > possible a few 3000 and 5000 boxes and parts > > > > If anyone wants to stop by and look for things, please contact me off > list > > to set up a time. Most of the people who have stopped by would say I have > > quite a lot of DEC items. > > > > If you have any questions contact me off list. > > > -- End of line JOB TERMINATED
[cctalk] Re: Friden (was Silly question about S-100 and video monitors)
> On Sep 3, 2023, at 4:47 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > On 9/3/23 13:28, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > >> I like OSHPark, US based and pretty quick, decent pricing. Low enough I >> haven't felt compelled to look for cheaper alternatives. One nice feature >> is that they take KiCAD board files directly, no need to generate the low >> level Gerber files. One oddity is their purple (or black) solder mask, but >> one gets used to it. 2 or 4 layers and some other variations. >> > > PCVWay will give you purple (or several other colors) for an extra charge. > > I think there's a link on the KiCAD PCB layout menu send your design to > PCBWay--or at least there was; I haven't checked lately. > > At one time, I thought that OSHPark (and I've used them) did all of > their production domestically, but someone told me that it's not > true--they send out their work to China, just like everyone else. That certainly isn't what their website says -- "about us" says specifically "manufactured in the USA". paul
[cctalk] Re: Friden (was Silly question about S-100 and video monitors)
On 9/3/23 13:28, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > I like OSHPark, US based and pretty quick, decent pricing. Low enough I > haven't felt compelled to look for cheaper alternatives. One nice feature is > that they take KiCAD board files directly, no need to generate the low level > Gerber files. One oddity is their purple (or black) solder mask, but one > gets used to it. 2 or 4 layers and some other variations. > PCVWay will give you purple (or several other colors) for an extra charge. I think there's a link on the KiCAD PCB layout menu send your design to PCBWay--or at least there was; I haven't checked lately. At one time, I thought that OSHPark (and I've used them) did all of their production domestically, but someone told me that it's not true--they send out their work to China, just like everyone else. --Chuck
[cctalk] Re: Friden (was Silly question about S-100 and video monitors)
> On Sep 2, 2023, at 3:49 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: > > On 2023-09-02 8:01 a.m., Will Cooke via cctalk wrote: >>> On 09/02/2023 8:50 AM CDT Peter Corlett via cctalk >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 01, 2023 at 04:32:57PM -0600, ben via cctalk wrote: >>> [...] I think that way has been for a while. Having a hard time finding a 68B50 >> Unicorn Electronics has the 68B50 for $7.99 >> https://www.unicornelectronics.com/IC/6800.html > $ 30 mininum order and 4 weeks shipping to canada stopped me. > $12.06 US from china. (ebay). > I am having my PCB's made from PCBWAY in china. Shipping takes longer > than them being made. ~ $100 US for the PCB's and ~ $50 for shipping and tax. I like OSHPark, US based and pretty quick, decent pricing. Low enough I haven't felt compelled to look for cheaper alternatives. One nice feature is that they take KiCAD board files directly, no need to generate the low level Gerber files. One oddity is their purple (or black) solder mask, but one gets used to it. 2 or 4 layers and some other variations. paul
[cctalk] Re: Friden (was Silly question about S-100 and video monitors)
On 9/2/23 14:49, ben via cctalk wrote: $ 30 mininum order and 4 weeks shipping to canada stopped me. $12.06 US from china. (ebay). I am having my PCB's made from PCBWAY in china. Shipping takes longer than them being made. ~ $100 US for the PCB's and ~ $50 for shipping and tax. I have been using PCBWay for several years. Quality is excellent, and for small orders, like 5 small boards, they have a much lower cost delivery method through DHL. I don't know where the breakpoint is on size or weight. Jon
[cctalk] Re: VCFMW Anybody got an Emulex QD21?
Jon, I have an Emulex QD21 that I could part with. I was hoping to attend VCF MW but it looks very doubtful at this point. I also have a spare DEQNA or DELQA. I have not tested these boards to verify that they work although I could test the ethernet boards on a PDP-11. Hans-Ulrich Hölscher mentioned work he did testing MicroVAX II transfers with Lee Gleason’s MicroVAX I project to transfer disk images on bare metal (no-OS) MicroVAX systems. I think that would be your best bet to recover your ESDI disk. If you don’t have any luck at the VCCF MW getting what you need, send me an email and we can work something out. Best, Mark
[cctalk] Re: VCFMW
The DECSTATIONS are: 5000/25 2) 5000/125 5000/133 2) 5000/200 Also a bunch of BA350, BA356, etc.storage works towers, with a selection of power supplies, drives, etc. On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 3:27 AM Paul Anderson wrote: > I've started pulling parts for people who have requested them and keep > finding things I had forgotten. A few things of possible interest include: > PDP-8A parts including backplanes, most CPU boards, 128K, MM board > MM8-AA/AB > 8-E boxes and boards > DECMATE Rainbow, and PRO systems and parts > A few 11/05, 11/10 boxes > a new 54-21149 KN15 cpu > VS40X 4 plane color options > SI-QS 1000 board labeled QED 993 CPU > Tape drive heads > LA36, LA120, and other printers and parts > various VTs and monitors and parts > MFM and floppy drives > Qbus boxes and hundreds of boards > 1000s of DEC boards and parts > possible a few 3000 and 5000 boxes and parts > > If anyone wants to stop by and look for things, please contact me off list > to set up a time. Most of the people who have stopped by would say I have > quite a lot of DEC items. > > If you have any questions contact me off list. >
