Shows in next few months

[Andrew Diller via cctalk]

Just a run-down as there is a lot happening in the next few months:


https://vcfed.org/wp/festivals/vintage-computer-festival-west/
West is THIS WEEKEND August 7th and 8th 
Mountain View, CA.


https://vcfed.org/wp/festivals/otherevents/vintage-computer-festival-southeast/
August 20-22
Atlanta, GA

http://vcfmw.org/
September 11-12
Elmhurst, IL

https://www.kennettclassic.com/2nd-annual-kennett-classic-announced/
September 25
Kennett Square, PA

https://vcfed.org/wp/festivals/vintage-computer-festival-east/
October 8-10
Wall, NJ

Re: Shows in next few months

[Andrew Diller via cctalk]

I am excited to see this as I missed the first one. My 25th is clear and I will 
be there.

-andy

> On Aug 5, 2021, at 12:50 PM, Bill Degnan  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the announcement!  We have the venue and the plans are nearly 
> completed.  I will be sending a flyer with details asap.
> bill
> 
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 11:46 AM Andrew Diller via cctalk 
> mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote:
> Just a run-down as there is a lot happening in the next few months:
> 
> 
> https://vcfed.org/wp/festivals/vintage-computer-festival-west/ 
> <https://vcfed.org/wp/festivals/vintage-computer-festival-west/>
> West is THIS WEEKEND August 7th and 8th 
> Mountain View, CA.
> 
> 
> https://vcfed.org/wp/festivals/otherevents/vintage-computer-festival-southeast/
>  
> <https://vcfed.org/wp/festivals/otherevents/vintage-computer-festival-southeast/>
> August 20-22
> Atlanta, GA
> 
> http://vcfmw.org/ <http://vcfmw.org/>
> September 11-12
> Elmhurst, IL
> 
> https://www.kennettclassic.com/2nd-annual-kennett-classic-announced/ 
> <https://www.kennettclassic.com/2nd-annual-kennett-classic-announced/>
> September 25
> Kennett Square, PA
> 
> https://vcfed.org/wp/festivals/vintage-computer-festival-east/ 
> <https://vcfed.org/wp/festivals/vintage-computer-festival-east/>
> October 8-10
> Wall, NJ
> 
> 

Re: Vt131 4 sale in St.Louis

[Andrew Diller via cctalk]

https://www.estatesales.net/marketplace/items/579642 


ADM-3a. Some interesting stuff to be sure. too bad it too far from me.

-andy


> On Oct 26, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Wayne S via cctech  wrote:
> 
> VT 131 for sale at auction in St. Louis. It’s local pick up only which means 
> they won’t ship.
> Some other interesting stuff too.
> I have no affiliation to the seller.
> 
> 
> https://www.estatesales.net/marketplace/items/579633
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 

Re: Apple I auction

[Andrew Diller via cctalk]

$400,000

7 bids

-andy

> On Jan 3, 2022, at 9:33 AM, W2HX via cctalk  wrote:
> 
> Anyone know what this sold for?
> 
> 73 Eugene W2HX
> Subscribe to my Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/w2hx-channel/videos
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk  On Behalf Of s shumaker via 
> cctalk
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 9:07 PM
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
> Subject: Apple I auction
> 
> Another Apple I on the auction block:
> 
> https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/114629733_the-chaffey-college-apple-1-personal-computer
> 
> 
> Steve

Re: SGI Indigo keyboard / mouse / converter wanted

[Andrew Diller via cctalk]

Indigo1 is not PS/2, even though the connector looks that way. You need to have 
the "onxy" keyboard/mouse or get an adapter from Drakware. Plugging in a PS/2 
device will harm the SGI and or the keyboard.
https://www.drakware.com/shop/p/indigousb 


You can build your own but I don't have the details, perhaps Drak does and is 
willing to share them.

-andy


> On Feb 20, 2022, at 10:46 AM, Jules Richardson via cctalk 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> A friend of mine has just acquired an Indigo (R4k with XZ graphics option), 
> but of course it's the usual story and the keyboard/rodent had been lost. In 
> absence of the genuine items they'd still be happy with a USB converter (at 
> least for the time being), but it seems those are difficult to come by at 
> present, too.
> 
> Does anyone happen to have a surplus converter suitable for these machines, 
> and/or keyboard/rodent? (according to sgistuff keyboard is p/n 9500801 and 
> mouse p/n 9150800)
> 
> [side note: they mentioned a USB converter, but I'm pretty sure years ago 
> someone had implemented an adapter to PC-friendly PS/2 parts, too. I'm sure 
> something like would do the trick, too]
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Jules
> 

Re: SGI Indigo keyboard / mouse / converter wanted

[Andrew Diller via cctalk]

There was a converter a few years ago that went from 'onyx' to PS/2. That seems 
to have vanished from ebay. I have some and they say "CKCOMPUTERSYSTEMS" on 
them - perhaps your friend can chase that down.

The Drak goes to USB which may be better or worse than the CK adapter depending 
on your keyboard fetish.

Real SGI 'onyx' devices pop up on ebay every once and a while. Make sure they 
are not SGI PS/2 (which Indigo2 and all later SGIs actually used) - the 'onyx' 
style will have the mouse attachment to the keyboard itself (the computer just 
has one DIN connector for m/k not 2 like actual PS/2 devices).

http://www.sgistuff.net/hardware/other/input.html 



There are a very few SGI vendors around with parts. 

http://www.mashek.com/SGIparts/Indigo.php 


Lists some available. These may seem like high prices till you watch an ebay 
listing go higher.


-andy



> On Feb 20, 2022, at 11:47 AM, Jules Richardson via cctalk 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 2/20/22 10:36, Andrew Diller wrote:
>> Indigo1 is not PS/2, even though the connector looks that way.
> 
> Correct. I was just pointing out that I think I recall someone years ago 
> implementing a converter between the Indigo's proprietary protocols and 
> "modern" (at the time) PS/2 keyboards/mice - and that one of those would 
> likely also be suit my friend's needs in absence of an even-more-modern USB 
> version.
> 
>> You need to have the "onxy" keyboard/mouse or get an adapter from Drakware.
> 
> The Drakware is the one that my friend mentioned to me, and they're out of 
> stock at the moment, hence them seeking an alternative (and/or real devices) 
> :-(
> 
> Jules

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

[Andrew Diller via cctalk]

There is also TinkerDifferent- which is growing in size quickly (covers all 
systems, but is skewed a bit towards apple):

https://tinkerdifferent.com/forums/pentium-6x86.185/ 




> On Dec 21, 2022, at 2:39 AM, Jim Brain via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> On 12/21/2022 1:22 AM, Chris via cctalk wrote:
>>  Ok for cbm and atari yes I'm familiar with most of those. I meant in 
>> general. And specifically where would you go for server related discussions 
>> for pII through socket 771?
> 
> I admit Pentium and newer forums are a bit harder to find, but some stuff is 
> at:
> 
> https://forums.tomshardware.com/
> 
> https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?forums/pentium-2nd-and-3rd-generation-class-machines.1230007/
> 
> https://forums.anandtech.com/categories/hardware-and-technology.27/
> 

[cctalk] Re: SGI vs. Mac

[Andrew Diller via cctalk]

Elan is a class of graphics chips in a given (early) SGI. It's the top level of 
the Express set.
http://archive.irixnet.org/sgistuff/hardware/graphics/express.html 



I thought the end of SGI hinged on two things: banking on the Itanium and 
giving up on MIPS, and their Graphics experts went off to found a company 
called Nvidia... the rest was inevitable.

For anyone that still uses a SGI and has a later IRIX installed I've worked 
with a team that has ported a whole slew of modern software over to IRIX to 
make them fairly useable today. Later systems mostly - but quite a few people 
love their Indys and are running what we built: SGUG-RSE (Silicon Graphics User 
Group's RPM Software Env). 

How to setup RSE:
https://forums.sgi.sh/index.php?threads/setup-the-official-sgug-repo-upgrade-openssh.660/
 


RSE sources:
https://github.com/sgidevnet/sgug-rse 


It's fun if you are into SGI and want to run some stuff that is slightly 
relevant.


> On Dec 24, 2022, at 12:02 PM, Chris via cctalk  wrote:
> 
> Don"t know what an Elan is. I do seem to recall suddenly an Indy with no 
> graphics output, intended to be used as a headless server.
> 
>> Anyone using an I2 or Indy with regularity? I have a purple box somewhere. I 
>> foumd the teal boxes much more visually appealing.


I use my Fuel and my teal Indigo2 pretty regularly- there is a of course a 
group of people who do CGI work on these old systems for the authentic feels 
and I dabble in that and IRIX sysadmin- it's a refreshing change from Linux and 
systemd lol.


-andy

[cctalk] Re: 2 sets of IRIX, 2 Indys and I1

[Andrew Diller via cctalk]

IRIX isn't node-locked or licensed. Just some versions of IRIX drop support for 
old systems. Google will tell you exactly what you can install on what. Indys 
can all take 6.5.22 (but will be slow). The MIPSpro C compilers were licensed 
w/ flex but Google is also your friend for that.

Totally disc-less (uses Pi and network) IRIX install of last two versions which 
support about 90% of SGI (and all Indys): https://github.com/unxmaal/booterizer

RSE - the RPM Software Env for IRIX 6.5.30 and .22 is avaiable and has 
thousands of modern packages ported and ready to install via RPM and DNF via 
http: https://github.com/sgidevnet/sgug-rse/wiki

Note: I worked on both of those projects and they are amazing if you have any 
SGI with a MIPS 4400 or newer and Internet access! No reason to burn CDROMS or 
not have some very cool tools and make IRIX useful again.

-andy

> On Jan 21, 2023, at 11:23 AM, Ethan O'Toole via cctalk 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Question is are these versions of Irix suitable. Or couldnI do better. And 
>> on account of SGIs licensing scheme, which attaches a specific os version to 
>> a maxhine (or vice versa), does that entitle me to obtain and install those 
>> specific versions. Put anotjer way if I obtained images from somewhere, 
>> installed the correct versions of Irix, would thoae machines then be legit? 
>> Or am I supposed to pay through the nose for a subscription or whatever?
> 
> Depends on what software you want to run and if it needs the last version of 
> IRIX.
> 
> I know there are people that have ported Yum (I think) to IRIX and have been 
> producing modern compiles of software but not sure how beefy the machine 
> needs to be.
> 
> You can find tons of IRIX CDs right here:
> 
> https://archive.org/search?query=irix&page=3
> 
> Notice that is page 2 and it's so full of IRIX software and CDs it's crazy. 
> Hats off to the archive on this one.
> 
>   - Ethan
> 

[cctalk] VCF East is coming up in April!

[Andrew Diller via cctalk]

Please mark you calendars and consider attending!

VCF East will take place in the spring of 2023 - April 14th, 15th, and 16th. 
This is your chance to get up close and personal with vintage computers and 
learn about their history. You'll also have the opportunity to purchase rare 
and unique computer parts and accessories. 

VCF East will be held at the InfoAge Science & History Museums in Wall, NJ. 
Come join us and explore the world of computing from the past and it's 
relevancy in the present and future.

https://social.vcfed.org/@admin/109903667531840578 


-andy diller

[cctalk] Re: The World Wide Web

[Andrew Diller via cctalk]

Fidonet is def. a thing. There is a New Zealand group- FSXnet - that I found 
when researching how to actually _join_ a Fidonet network. Docs for this from 
the pov of someone that has never done it are few. I.E. it seem very hard to 
find direction to join into Fidonet unless you are already there.

https://fsxnet.nz/fsxnet/join


This was done because I am setting up a BBS on a Macintosh SE running System 6. 
There is a modern BBS being written today (in C) called SubText BBS that can 
connect up to Fidonet (I connected to FSX net after signing up and getting a 
node assignment.). It's cool to get the network messages from all over the 
globe on your local BBS.

https://jcs.org/subtext


My BBS is up: telnet to-> bbs.diller.org  login as guest. It's running on a SE 
w/ 4MB ram.


Setting this up and getting things going was a fun diversion and using a Mac SE 
for it was a blast as well.


On Fidonet? Send me some mail: massive@21:3/178


thanks,
-andy


> On May 4, 2023, at 8:59 AM, geneb via cctalk  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 3 May 2023, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
> 
>> Don't forget fidonet (a network of bulletin board systems).
>> 
> FidoNet is still a thing too.  I'm the NC of Net 138. (which sadly, is now 
> just myself and a couple of other nodes.)
> 
> g.
> 
> -- 
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
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> Some people collect things for a hobby.  Geeks collect hobbies.
> 
> ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
> A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
> http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!

[cctalk] Re: VCF and System Source Computer Museum swap meet this weekend

[Andrew Diller via cctalk]

I'll be there. Hello Ethan. Bring some good stuff for me to buy. jk.

-andy

> On Jul 19, 2023, at 11:23 AM, Ethan O'Toole via cctalk 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I am curious if anyone here might be planning on attending.
>> https://museum.syssrc.com/artifact/events/3000/
> 
> I am heading up there with friends Friday night so we can get there early 
> Saturday.
> 
> Bringing some stuff to sell, nothing too crazy just odds and ends. PICMG 
> Pentium rackmount machine and odds and ends for micros.
> 
> Only system on my "to get" list is Acorn Archemedies.
> 
> Looking forward to it, and I think System Source might be the #1 collection 
> in the world. Very cool place.
> 
> Say hi if you see me and are on this list.
> 
>   - Ethan
> 
> 
> --
> : Ethan O'Toole
> 
> 

[cctalk] Re: The MAC at 40

[Andrew Diller via cctalk]

I think now anyone that wants to look a bit more closely has a much better idea 
and context about what caused the Birth of the Mac. That story of "stolen from 
PARC" IMHO is just weak writing back when the Internet didn't have the info it 
has today which gives full context over what was going on. And many people have 
told a much more rich and (I hope) accurate telling of the story.

The Mac sure made an impact on me and I've never looked back or wanted to use 
any other computing system (for my real computer) since then.

-andy

> On Jan 24, 2024, at 4:21 PM, Tony Jones via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 12:53 PM Murray McCullough via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> 
>> The Apple Mac, 40 years old, came from Xerox PARC’s GUI and Apple’s LISA.
>> Not sure that it really changed computing though! Financially it didn't
>> help Apple until after 1997 and Gate's investment.
>> 
> 
> I struggle with the whole "birth of the Mac" story.
> 
> It starts with the "Jobs visit to Parc" story which is often told as if he
> single handedly made off with Xerox's crown jewels,  ignoring the fact that
> lots of people had been given prior demos of the Smalltalk 76 and 78
> systems.  Certainly he had the vision to appreciate what he saw and the
> ability to capitalize on it, but it was hardly the "making off with a
> secret" it's claimed to be.
> 
> Then there is the whole "Lisa was a failure story.
> 
> The Mac (developed at significant cost largely because Jobs felt slighted)
> launched for I believe $2,495 with a 9" screen, 128k RAM, minimal software
> and a single tasking OS).
> At the same time the Lisa 2/5 was released at $3495 with a 12" screen, 512k
> RAM and a true preemptive multitasking OS.
> 
> The 128K of the Mac was so limiting that a few months later they had to
> shortly after launch the Fat Mac (512K) at $2,795
> 
> In the mid 90s Mac's were still crippled by the original Mac OS design.
> Badly behaving apps crashing the entire system was common.  Multiple
> projects to design a replacement had failed.
> 
> Sure he turned it all around with the Next acquisition and the $2.9
> trillion rest is history but I sometimes wonder what would have happened if
> they'd somehow been able to stop Jobs and instead focus on the Lisa.

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Andrew Diller via cctalk]

Hope this helps, I put it together to keep track of them all.

-andy


> On Jan 25, 2024, at 2:47 PM, Ali via cctalk  wrote:
> 
> First time I am hearing of this. Are details up on the vcf site?-Ali
>  Original message From: Sellam Abraham via cctalk 
>  Date: 1/25/24  11:45 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: "General 
> Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"  Cc: Sellam 
> Abraham  Subject: [cctalk] VCF SoCal I'll be 
> attending VCF SoCal on February 17-18 in Orange (California) in thecapacity 
> of a presenter (on a panel and a solo presentation).Is anyone else planning 
> to attend the event?Sellam

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

[Andrew Diller via cctalk]

Yes, good point! This is what I was talking about a little poster of shows this 
year:

https://envs.sh/Fc7.png <https://envs.sh/Fc7.png>

-andy diller

> On Jan 26, 2024, at 9:05 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 at 07:30, Andrew Diller via cctalk
>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hope this helps, I put it together to keep track of them all.
> 
> I think you forgot something.
> 
> There was no link or anything there, and the list doesn't allow attachments.
> 
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[cctalk] Re: Problem with Dell Vostro 1700

[Andrew Diller via cctalk]

Replace all the caps. Then it will work!

-andy


> On Apr 7, 2024, at 3:43 PM, Van Snyder via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> I know the main focus of the list. The Vostro 1700 is almost old enough
> to be a semi-antique. I don't know another list where people might know
> why the display flashes once and then goes black.
>