[cctalk] Re: BASIC

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Steve,

Where would you fit the Tandy Model 100 in here? Ultimately it supported a
disk drive,
ran basic and also sported an expansion box that included video support and
a floppy.

-Ken

On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 4:18 AM Steve Lewis via cctalk 
wrote:

> Great discussions about BASIC.   I talked about the IBM 5110 flavor of
> BASIC last year (such as its FORM keyboard for quickly making structured
> input forms), and recently "re-learned" that it defaults to running with
> double-precision.  But if you use "RUNS" instead of "RUN" then the same
> code is run using single-precision (but I haven't verified yet if that
> translates into an actual runtime speed difference).  I think most of the
> "street BASICs" used single precision (if they supported floats at all).
>  But speaking of Microsoft BASIC, I think Monte Davidoff is still around
> and deserves a lot of credit for doing the floating point library in the
> initial Microsoft BASIC (but it's a bit sad that history has lost the names
> of individual contributors
>
> But what I mostly wanted to mention is that on the Commander X16 project,
> one special thing we now have in its System ROM is a program called
> BASLOAD.  Unfortunately we couldn't come up with a cooler name -- it's not
> a native compiler, like Blitz.  I'm not sure what you'd categorize BASLOAD
> as, a pre-parser of sorts?  By license, we were stuck with the Commodore V2
> BASIC (that was derived from Microsoft BASIC, with the story being that
> Gates wasn't so interested in a 6502 port of Microsoft BASIC, and just sold
> BASIC source code to Commodore for a flat one time fee rather than a
> license).   One of the main limitations of that V2 BASIC is the two-letter
> variable names.
>
> BASLOAD gives you a feel of being similar to QuickBASIC - in that you can
> do regular "BASIC things" without using line numbers.  You can have long
> variable names (like THE.SOLUTION) and you can use symbol labels in
> GOTO/GOSUB (GOTO PROCESS.MORE.DATA, where "." is used since standard
> PETSCII doesn't have an underscore).  All BASLOAD does is "convert" your
> BASIC-source text file into a tokenized Commodore V2 BASIC input file.
> Your long variables get "auto assigned" into available two-letter BASIC
> variables, and it just keeps track of the line number targets of your
> symbolic labels.  Stefan Jakonson did the actual development of BASLOAD,
> including making it "ROM-able" so that it is always available.
>
> Anyhow, BASLOAD has been a "game changer" to me - in that it would have
> been great to have something like it back in the 80's.  Not being
> constrained by the two-letter variable, and using symbolic label
> difference, while not dealing with line numbers at all (plus things like
> similar to a #include to import other BASLOAD source files).
>
>
> Couple more BASIC related comments:
>
> (1)
> There was talk regarding BASIC as an operating system.  While not fancy, I
> actually do think in a way it counts as an operating system.  Fundamentally
> as a parser, BASIC is "just" stream in an input, and some output is
> produced when you RUN.  But to get that point, you need a kind of
> "operating environment" wrapper around BASIC.   In the very early days,
> that was the line printer.  But then CRTs started to become affordable
> around 1970.  Adapting that capability with a text-generator and a console
> - you have things like the blinking cursor (between each blink, things like
> time/clock interrupts, joystick polling), and the text-screen itself is
> your editor (as a gateway to manipulate your program, one screen at a time
> with no scrollback buffer).   And similar to the line-printer days, when
> you press CR (carriage return) the content on the current line is tokenized
> and stored in memory  (sort of - again on the IBM 5100 it will parse-check
> upfront and won't let you ENTER/CR a syntactically invalid BASIC line; it
> shows this arrow on what column the error is which has to be corrected
> before the line can be committed into memory -- most "street BASIC" seem
> more forgiving about that, probably just to conserve ROM space and fit in
> under 8KB).  And the BASIC manages access to hardware like printer, serial
> port, and some file handles.
>
>
> (2)
> Microsoft BASIC appears on the 1979 NEC PC-8001, which includes disk drive
> support (similar to the later additions to Commodore BASIC also around
> 1980).  But in the NEC PC-8001 manual about BASIC, it refers to a "FAT"
> format used on disks.  So I suspect Microsoft's early work in adding disk
> drive support into BASIC did help them in maintaining that format when
> packaging up QDOS later.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 2, 2024 at 10:38 PM CAREY SCHUG via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> > compiled basics too longer to run and debug because of the compile time.
> >
> > Anything I did was limited to floppy disk, or later even hard disk speed,
> > the greater speed from compiling could not be noticed.
> >
> > --Carey
> >

[cctalk] Re: BASIC

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Anyone interested in a flavor of BASIC try my version of BWaterBasic  for
Linux, Windows and DOS
athttps://yeolpishack.net/repos/KenUnix/BwBasic

It's pretty fast. Full source and DOCs are also there.

Ken

On Wed, May 1, 2024 at 7:05 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk 
wrote:

> On Wed, 1 May 2024, Mike Katz wrote:
> > I'm sorry but the original BASIC as run on the Dartmouth Time Sharing
> System
> > was compiled.
>
> I wasn't around Dartmouth, and my first experiences with BASIC were all
> interpreted.
>
> I had run a trivial program in it on a Silent 700 connected through a
> phone line, long before I got my first personal computer (TRS80).
>
>
> Thank you for the details of the history.
>
>
> When Microsoft introduced "BASCOM" (their BASIC compiler), my first uses
> of it were primarily to make my source code less easily accessible to
> would-be infringers. :-)
>
>
> --
> Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
>


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[cctalk] Re: IBM 360

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Mike,

Hi. My first "computer" was a PDP-8/I with 4k core, high speed reader/punch
and an ASR-33 TTY
that was in the early 1970's. I got it used from a lab that was closing for
$600.00 delivered.

Eventually expanded it to 12k core with 2 DEC tape drives. Loads of fun.
DECus came in handy.

Ken Martin

On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 5:40 PM Mike Katz via cctalk 
wrote:

> I want to thank you all for this IBM 360 conversation.  It makes me feel
> young.  My first computer was a PDP-8/L with 4K of core memory and a
> Teletype ASR-33.  That was 1972 (I was 12).
>
> On 4/10/2024 4:23 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
> >
> >> On Apr 10, 2024, at 5:01 PM, Van Snyder via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> ...
> >> I think the 360/67 replaced "Halt and Catch Fire" with "Rewind and
> >> Break Tape."
> > I always wondered if that wasn't a standard property of IBM tape drives
> of that era.  The ones I remember from our 360/44 had capstans that turned
> continuously, one to each side of the head.  The tape was shoved against
> the capstan to start tape motion, and against a rubber brake block to stop
> it.  That was wild enough, but the other crazy aspect is that the vacuum
> columns were arranged so the oxide was facing outward, i.e., rubbing
> against the side walls of the vacuum column.
> >
> > I never did wear out a tape, but then again, I never used a tape more
> than a half dozen times on that system.
> >
> >   paul
> >
> >
>
>

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[cctalk] Re: It's been a while - retirement project

[KenUnix via cctalk]

When I try and connect to it I see in the tab chinese verbiage
CCtalk 丰富多元的综合内容平台-专业的知识分享与在线教育平台
and it tries to send me to   public.hujia.104.cdn20.com

-Ken

On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 1:44 AM Dave Dunfield via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> >26 Nov 8:14 p.m.
>
> >I was trying to format an HP LIF disk from IMD (77 tracks, 30 sectors,
> >5 interleave, 512 MFM encoding, 256 bytes per sector). Which I can
> configure
> >IMD for using the interactive user interface. EXCEPT it won't
> >accept entering sector numbering starting from 0 to 29. It always wants to
> >start at 1.
>
> >So it looks like it's just a trivial bug in the interactive user
> interface.
>
> Hi Marc,
>
> I'll look into it - it will take me a while as I have to dig out and set up
> a real DOS IMD system...
>
> [anyone know it there's a usable web interface to CCTALK? I browse it
> through
> the ARCHIVE on CCTALK.COM - it's a web interface which presents "reply"
> button
> - but it doesn't work - so I have to cut/paste/edit the existing post and
> send
> it back by email - and HOPE that it finds its way to the proper thread!]
>
> Dave
>
> --
>
> --
> Search "Dave's Old Computers" see "my personal" at bottom!
>


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[cctalk] Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Interesting note. Back in the 80's a company called Northern Telecom used
2900 ALU chips to run the SL-1 PBX. It was very popular in hospitals and
large firms where down time was bad.

It had redundant memory and processor cards for failover. And battery
backup to stay up during a power failure. Certain alarms caused the switch
to dial a reporting center and send the alarm.

Programs were stored on a 3M cartridge tape (6150?) where diagnostic
programs ran off hours and communication was accomplished via a 300 baud
dialup modem and a local hard copy terminal (usually like a DEC LA36).

Call detail records were stored on a 9 track tape.

-Ken

On Fri, Oct 6, 2023, 8:33 AM Geert Rolf via cctalk 
wrote:

> Quote:
>
> > I could be remembering incorrectly but I think the Gould PN6080 mini we
> had exclusively for third year
> > comp sci at Macquarie Uni in the mid/late 80s was 32-bit made up of
> AMD2900 family logic (2901 ALU's).
> Find attached two pages of the CPU drawings of a Concept 32/67 and
> PowerNode 6000. Here the AMD 2901s show up. You remembered correctly!
>
> Geert Rolf
>
> owner of a PowerNode 6040 -- see
> https://geerol.home.xs4all.nl/DownLoad/UTX-paper.pdf
>
>

[cctalk] Re: The World Wide Web

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Stefan,

Back it up to floppy diskettes.

HaHa. Sorry I could not resist.

-Ken

On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 5:18 AM Stefan Skoglund via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> The main problem with that lorry hurtling down the freeway is
> latency.
>
> I need to move 1 PB . how long will it take filling and packing
> enough IBM LTO-9 tapes to send 1 PB ?
>
> How long does it takes to fill 1 tape with 18 TB ?
>


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[cctalk] Re: Vintage Computer Fest Midwest "DECnut" pizza party

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Zane is it accessible remotely? Just curious..

-Ken

On Fri, Sep 8, 2023 at 5:17 PM Zane Healy via cctalk 
wrote:

>
>
> > On Sep 8, 2023, at 6:20 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 9/7/2023 9:20 PM, Gavin Scott via cctalk wrote:
> >> On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 4:49 PM ste...@malikoff.com steven--- via
> >> cctalk  wrote:
> >>> Here in Oz, VAX has been a popular brand of vacuum cleaner for many
> decades. We had one until recently.
> >>> https://www.vax.com.au/
> >> http://catb.org/jargon/html/V/VAX.html
> >
> >
> > "Nothing sucks like a VAX!!"   :-)
> >
> >
> > bill
> >
> >
>
> I rather like the old Trade Show button from WordPerfect that is sitting
> on top of the Keyboard I’m using to type this (an old Apple ADB Extended II
> Keyboard via USB converter), it says “Loyal to VAX”.
>
> I normally have a physical VAX running 24x7.  It was shutdown recently,
> but only due to high temps, and it’s back online now.
>
> Zane
>
>
>

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[cctalk] Re: Vintage Computer Fest Midwest "DECnut" pizza party

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Jon,

Yea. It affected my left side. Loss of muscle strength. I am left handed
and lost my strength but luckily can still type albeit slower.

Good thing the keyboard has a backspace key.

Fortunately I still get ideas but it sometimes takes awhile to write them
down.

-Ken

On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 7:32 PM Jon Elson via cctalk 
wrote:

> On 9/7/23 17:18, KenUnix via cctalk wrote:
> > Hi guys.
> >
> > Since I can't get out due to my stroke, be sure to post plenty of snaps
> of
> > the event...
> >
> Sorry to hear about that.  I had a very mild stroke 2 years
> ago, but it has affected dexterity in my right hand.  My
> writing is now horrible (my penmanship was never really
> great) and typing is more error prone than before.
>
> Jon
>
>

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[cctalk] Re: Vintage Computer Fest Midwest "DECnut" pizza party

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Hi guys.

Since I can't get out due to my stroke, be sure to post plenty of snaps of
the event...

Pizza hold the pepperoni.

-Ken


On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 6:06 PM Mike Katz via cctalk 
wrote:

> With Dorothy and the Tin Woodsman as their salespeople 藍
>
> I think those would be micro-vaxen because they are only single user.
>
> On 9/7/2023 4:44 PM, ste...@malikoff.com steven--- via cctalk wrote:
> >> On 09/07/2023 2:36 AM AEST Mike Katz via cctalk 
> wrote:
> >> Does VAX have nothing to do with vacuum cleaners?
> > Here in Oz, VAX has been a popular brand of vacuum cleaner for many
> decades. We had one until recently.
> > https://www.vax.com.au/
> >
> > Steve
>
>

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[cctalk] Re: VCFMW

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Paul,

Don't worry. I was just going to show them to new kids who don't understand.

-Ken

On Mon, Sep 4, 2023, 12:48 AM Paul Anderson via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> What size/vintage are you looking for? I'll try to find a few bad ones that
> can't be repaired.
>
> Paul
>
> On Sun, Sep 3, 2023 at 4:10 PM KenUnix via cctalk 
> wrote:
>
> > Paul,
> >
> > For history's sake and to show folks do you have a couple of DEC
> Flip-Chip
> > cards you could part with?
> >
> > -Ken
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 9:52 PM Paul Anderson via cctalk <
> > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> > > I am located about 2 hours south of Chicago, by Champaign, where 1-72,
> > > I-57, and I-74 meet.
> > >
> > > I also forgot to mention I found a box of new punchcards and several
> > > plotter pen holders.
> > >
> > > On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 3:27 AM Paul Anderson 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've started pulling parts for people who have requested them and
> keep
> > > > finding things I had forgotten. A few things of possible interest
> > > include:
> > > > PDP-8A parts including backplanes, most CPU boards, 128K, MM board
> > > > MM8-AA/AB
> > > > 8-E boxes and boards
> > > > DECMATE Rainbow, and PRO systems and parts
> > > > A few 11/05, 11/10 boxes
> > > > a new 54-21149 KN15 cpu
> > > > VS40X 4 plane color options
> > > > SI-QS 1000 board labeled QED 993 CPU
> > > > Tape drive heads
> > > > LA36, LA120, and other printers and parts
> > > > various VTs and monitors and parts
> > > > MFM and floppy drives
> > > > Qbus boxes and hundreds of boards
> > > > 1000s of DEC boards and parts
> > > > possible a few 3000 and 5000 boxes and parts
> > > >
> > > > If anyone wants to stop by and look for things, please contact me off
> > > list
> > > > to set up a time. Most of the people who have stopped by would say I
> > have
> > > > quite a lot of DEC items.
> > > >
> > > > If you have any questions contact me off list.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> >
>

[cctalk] Re: VCFMW

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Paul,

For history's sake and to show folks do you have a couple of DEC Flip-Chip
cards you could part with?

-Ken


On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 9:52 PM Paul Anderson via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> I am located about 2 hours south of Chicago, by Champaign, where 1-72,
> I-57, and I-74 meet.
>
> I also forgot to mention I found a box of new punchcards and several
> plotter pen holders.
>
> On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 3:27 AM Paul Anderson  wrote:
>
> > I've started pulling parts for people who have requested them and keep
> > finding things I had forgotten. A few things of possible interest
> include:
> > PDP-8A parts including backplanes, most CPU boards, 128K, MM board
> > MM8-AA/AB
> > 8-E boxes and boards
> > DECMATE Rainbow, and PRO systems and parts
> > A few 11/05, 11/10 boxes
> > a new 54-21149 KN15 cpu
> > VS40X 4 plane color options
> > SI-QS 1000 board labeled QED 993 CPU
> > Tape drive heads
> > LA36, LA120, and other printers and parts
> > various VTs and monitors and parts
> > MFM and floppy drives
> > Qbus boxes and hundreds of boards
> > 1000s of DEC boards and parts
> > possible a few 3000 and 5000 boxes and parts
> >
> > If anyone wants to stop by and look for things, please contact me off
> list
> > to set up a time. Most of the people who have stopped by would say I have
> > quite a lot of DEC items.
> >
> > If you have any questions contact me off list.
> >
>


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[cctalk] Re: SCO on Virtualbox

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Liam,

I have been experimenting with GhostBSD 64bit. It runs quite well under
Virtualbox. It is
supported and updated and has a vast repo. There is a prebuilt package with
the XFCE
desktop. I added FireFox, bash, gzip and other toys.

It functions superior to FreeBSD.

If I want to go back in a time machine I can run AT System-5 R2 Unix in a
VAX-780 simh.

Thanks for the help.

-Ken

On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 6:51 PM Liam Proven via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 at 19:21, KenUnix via cctalk 
> wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone got SCO Unix to successfully install and run on Virtualbox?
> >
> > My efforts have failed. My host is Ubuntu 22.04 with Virtualbox 7.0.10.
>
> No, but I have read that it is doable, with a very constrained VM.
>
> Some more info:
>
>
> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/366048/xenix-sco-v-running-in-contemporary-machines-as-vms
>
> There are also quite a few Youtube video demos.
>
>
> --
> Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven
> Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com
> Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven
> IoM: (+44) 7624 277612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884
> Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053
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[cctalk] Re: NGPL TCS - 1969 Industrial Control

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Eric,

Way cool.

The relays you spoke of for the status display are they *magnetic latching*
relays to keep their state?

What type of memory does the computer have? Core memory?

I hear you talk about the 232 interface. Most people call it 2 Thirty 2.

Nice job. Interesting video.

Ken


On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 8:33 PM Eric Moore via cctalk 
wrote:

> https://youtu.be/-CaUafVqnbw
>
> Super stoked to be able to share my latest video, I hope yall like it.
>
> -Eric
>


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[cctalk] Re: Disposition of stuff

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Adam,

I agree. Give it a new home. Save computing history because when it's gone
it's gone.

Ken

On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 10:02 PM Adam Thornton via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Been thinking about it a little recently, and, no, I definitely don't plan
> to send my stuff to a scrapper.  I have some younger friends with an
> interest in retrocomputing.  They want my stuff when I'm done with it,
> sure.  And if they want _just a little_ of my stuff I'll probably strike a
> deal like, "you can have the SGI Indy if that box of IDE drives goes with
> it, and you aren't allowed to throw it away until you're somewhere I'm not
> going to see it by the side of the road."
>
> Adam
>


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[cctalk] Re: SCO on Virtualbox

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Robin,

Rather than going crazy I installed GhostBSD and am happy. To me it operates
better than FreeBSD.

So using Virtualbox I can happily run GhostBSD while running Linux on the
host.

Ken---


On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 8:13 AM Robin Downs via cctalk 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have done this using VirtualBox on Windows...
>
> The main issue is that SCO needs to not see 4GB of RAM - use the boot
> command options to reduce it to only using say 64MB and it will work...
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Robin
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: KenUnix via cctalk 
> Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 7:21 PM
> To: CCTALK 
> Cc: KenUnix 
> Subject: [cctalk] SCO on Virtualbox
>
> Hi.
>
> Has anyone got SCO Unix to successfully install and run on Virtualbox?
>
> My efforts have failed. My host is Ubuntu 22.04 with Virtualbox 7.0.10.
>
> Thanks, Ken
>
> --
> WWL 
>


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[cctalk] Re: SCO on Virtualbox

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Grant,

Thanks. I think for now I'll stick with GhostBSD and Linuix.

On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 2:50 PM Grant Taylor via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On 8/3/23 1:21 PM, KenUnix wrote:
> > Hi.
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> > Has anyone got SCO Unix to successfully install and run on Virtualbox?
>
> *Which* *version* of SCO?  UnixWare, OpenServer, or something older?
>
> > My efforts have failed. My host is Ubuntu 22.04 with Virtualbox 7.0.10.
>
> I don't remember the last time that I installed any SCO product in
> virtualization, but I am quite certain that I've gotten a basic
> installation of, probably, OpenServer 5. in VirtualBox.
>
> I assume that I didn't try to do anything with guest additions.
>
> I /think/ that Microsoft supported SCO OpenServer and / or UnixWare in
> MS-VirtualPC.  So you might be able to enable nested virtualization and
> run SCO {OpenServer,UnixWare} in MS-VPS in Windows in VirtaulBox.
>
> N.B. There is a small chance that I was using KVM and not VirtualBox as
> around that time I was making heavy use of both virtualization
> solutions, sometimes concurrently on the same system.  But I'm fairly
> certain that I've installed SCO OpenServer 5.x in VirtualBox.
>
>
>
> --
> Grant. . . .
>


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[cctalk] SCO on Virtualbox

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Hi.

Has anyone got SCO Unix to successfully install and run on Virtualbox?

My efforts have failed. My host is Ubuntu 22.04 with Virtualbox 7.0.10.

Thanks, Ken

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[cctalk] Re: May need help buying computer in Houston - I’m in CA

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Steve,

What is it? Do you expect it to work when you get it? Is the seller giving
you any guarantees?


On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 2:48 PM Steven Stengel via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> I want to buy an old computer from a guy I don’t know in Houston (I’ll pay
> shipping to CA), but it’s a lot of money, and I don’t want to lose it  -
> what are my options?
> Thanks-
> Steve.
>


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[cctalk] Re: ICL / Digico

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Thanks ED.

Some quite amazing pictures.

On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 3:16 AM ED SHARPE via cctalk 
wrote:

> Maybe checkout internet archive various date versions of thier site???Ed#
>  SMECC
>
> Sent from AOL on Android
>
>   On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 12:12 AM, Christian Corti via cctalk<
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:   So, I was trying to contact "Pete" at
> vintage-icl-computers.com several
> times during the last years. Obiously, the site and/or the person is dead,
> no reaction whatever.
> I'm hoping that someone on this list might be able to help me:
> I still have a Digico Micro 16V computer that, one day, I'd like to
> restore. On the ICL site above I can see that they have (had?) the service
> manual/schematics for the system, and I would really love to get a scan
> (or at least high resolution photos) of these. Does anyone here maybe have
> them or can provide me with some pointers? Oh BTW, software (e.g.
> papertape images) would be great, too :-)
>
> Christian
>
>

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[cctalk] Re: BEWARE: Phishing

[KenUnix via cctalk]

+ ---| |--- - ZAP

On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 6:13 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk 
wrote:

> >> How else are we to know that the capacitor is charged, or that the link
> is
> >> dangerous?
>
> On Fri, 7 Jul 2023, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote:
> > I clicked on the link. Now all of my apes are gone.
>
> Perhaps your apes planted the malware as a diversion to escape?
>
>
>

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[cctalk] Re: BEWARE: Phishing

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Okey Dokey Thanks.

On Thu, Jul 6, 2023 at 7:30 PM Paul Koning via cctalk 
wrote:

> You should ignore it, just like all other criminal messages of that kind.
>
> paul
>
> > On Jul 6, 2023, at 7:16 PM, KenUnix via cctalk 
> wrote:
> >
> > Chuck,
> >
> > So what actions are we supposed to take??
> >
> > I was going to go to the cloudflair link but got a message that this was
> a
> > dangerous site!
> >
> > This link looks dangerous
> > This link opens a site that is likely to be harmful
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 6, 2023 at 6:39 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Just got the following message in the account that I use to receive
> >> cctalk email:
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Hello cclist,
> >>
> >> The passwогd to your mailbox (ccl...@sydex.com) expires in 24 hrs time.
> >>
> >> Following this prompt, your webmail will log you out and generate a new
> >> passwогd.
> >>
> >>
> >> Alternatively, you can retain and continue using your cuггent passwогd,
> >> by using the user secured button below;
> >>
> >> Keep Cuггent Passwогd (link goes to cloudflare-ipfs.com)
> >>
> >> This email is generated by sydex.com's mail server for ccl...@sydex.com
> .
> >> 
> >>
> >> FYI
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > End of line
> > JOB TERMINATED -->> Okey Dokey, OK Boss
>
>

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[cctalk] Re: BEWARE: Phishing

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Chuck,

So what actions are we supposed to take??

I was going to go to the cloudflair link but got a message that this was a
dangerous site!

This link looks dangerous
This link opens a site that is likely to be harmful

Ken

On Thu, Jul 6, 2023 at 6:39 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk 
wrote:

> Just got the following message in the account that I use to receive
> cctalk email:
>
> --
>
> Hello cclist,
>
> The passwогd to your mailbox (ccl...@sydex.com) expires in 24 hrs time.
>
> Following this prompt, your webmail will log you out and generate a new
> passwогd.
>
>
> Alternatively, you can retain and continue using your cuггent passwогd,
> by using the user secured button below;
>
> Keep Cuггent Passwогd (link goes to cloudflare-ipfs.com)
>
> This email is generated by sydex.com's mail server for ccl...@sydex.com.
> 
>
> FYI
> Chuck
>


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[cctalk] Re: Don Lancaster has passed away at 83

[KenUnix via cctalk]

I would call him a legend in electronics...

On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 7:33 PM Jon Elson via cctalk 
wrote:

> On 7/1/23 15:10, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
> > Don Lancaster passed away on June 7.
> >
> > https://gilaherald.com/obituary-for-don-lancaster/
> >
> > I hope his website is well preserved:
> >
> > https://tinaja.com/
> >
> Wow, another legend!  Yes, there is a lot of good stuff there.
>
> Jon
>
>

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[cctalk] Re: The World Wide Web

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Chuck,

Did you at least get a bag peanuts on the flight?

Ken


On Sun, May 7, 2023 at 11:20 AM David Barto via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> I believe it was Henry Spenser at a USENIX conference that said “Never
> underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with mag tape”.
>
> David
>
>
> > On May 5, 2023, at 8:59 PM, steve shumaker via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> > There used to be a running joke in the test center on Kwajalein Atoll
> about the C141 full of mission tapes having a higher bit rate than the
> undersea cable connecting us to the mainland.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > On 5/5/23 7:39 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
> >> I do remember the bad old days, when even a leased line was
> >> insufficiently fast or reliable to send a quantity of data. I recall
> >> many times taking the "noon balloon" out of San Jose with my Samsonite
> >> carry-on case and not so much as a toothbrush.  On arrival, turn the
> >> contents of the case over to someone waiting at the gate, and catch the
> >> next flight home with an empty case.
> >>
> >> My case, which I still have, comfortably accommodates six 10.5" reels of
> >> tape.
> >>
> >> I remember flying on an USAF general's plane with several 844 disk
> >> packs.  One time, I forgot my B-area badge, so the general gave me his.
> >> Nobody saluted, however.
> >>
> >> --Chuck
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>

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[cctalk] Re: flipchip cleaning and pin corrosion inhibition

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Yep. Back then it was a form of non-volatile memory. Maintained what was on
it after power off.

Ken


On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 9:38 AM Paul Koning  wrote:

>
>
> > On Apr 25, 2023, at 9:25 AM, KenUnix via cctalk 
> wrote:
> >
> > Rod,
> >
> > Never heard the singing. Switch room's were too noisy.
> >
> > It always amazed me that those core planes were hand wired. I guess by
> > little people. Or, big people with little hands.
>
> People (often women I think) with steady hands.  I think the setup used a
> work surface with notches in it corresponding to the positions of each
> core.  They would pour a cup full of cores onto that and use gentle shaking
> and vibrating to get all those notches filled, then pour off the excess.
> Next, threading the cores much like you thread a needle -- except that the
> wire is stiffer than thread and thus easier to make it go straight through.
>
> One wonders if this could have been done by machine.  Probably yes, but
> given the volumes involved I suppose the capital investment wasn't
> justified.
>
> The more amazing kind of hand-wired core is core ROM, where the wires
> weave in and out of various cores according to the required bit pattern.
> Getting that right seems like a far more complicated craft.
>
> paul
>
>
>

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[cctalk] Re: flipchip cleaning and pin corrosion inhibition

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Rod,

Never heard the singing. Switch room's were too noisy.

It always amazed me that those core planes were hand wired. I guess by
little people. Or, big people with little hands.

On the PDP 8/I they were 4K plug in affairs.

Ken


On Tue, Apr 25, 2023, 9:14 AM Rod Bartlett via cctalk 
wrote:

> Ken,
>
> This discussion does my geezer's heart good.
>
> I used to maintain Honeywell mainframes in the late 1970s, some of which
> had core memories.  Tapping them on the floor wasn't an option since they
> were such huge beasties but they did have space for spare bits.  I've
> swapped to the spare bits or replaced sense amps to fix many a core
> problem.  Something I'll never forget is the way the power supplies "sang"
> when running memory diagnostics on the core units.  I could always tell the
> diagnostic was done when the singing stopped.
>
> - Rod
>
> > On Apr 24, 2023, at 2:11 PM, KenUnix via cctalk 
> wrote:
> >
> > David,
> >
> > I could tell you I had an experience where I had a stuck bit in core
> memory.
> >
> > It was in a trunk frame in a #2ESS AIS.
> >
> > I removed the core package and tapped it on the floor, reinserted it and
> > the trouble cleared.
> >
> > Sticky bit! Ha
> >
> > I only knew that because it happened to me on my old PDP-8/I..
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 1:50 PM David Gesswein via cctalk <
> > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 11:11:35AM +0100, Pete Turnbull wrote:
> >>> On 23/04/2023 22:52, KenUnix via cctalk wrote:
> >>>> Pete,
> >>>>
> >>>> Did the 8E have core or solid state memory?
> >>>
> >>> It had both, but I didn't put the core boards in the dishwasher.  I
> >> figured
> >>> they might be too delicate for that, so I rinsed them by hand in the
> >> kitchen
> >>> sink.
> >>>
> >>> I should have said that in my original post.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I assume your referring to the core electronics boards and didn't wash
> the
> >> core plane.
> >>
> >> I've never used the dishwasher. I've hand washed R, W, G and M type
> boards
> >> in
> >> sink with dish soap and soft bristle brush, rinsed, then blew off with
> >> air compressor, then finish dry with fan. For pots and other
> >> components that I wasn't sure how well they were sealed I used damp
> brush
> >> or
> >> cloth around them. Rest got dunked. No obvious issues from washing.
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > End of line
> > JOB TERMINATED Okey Dokey
>
>

[cctalk] Re: Magazine no longer in print

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Guys,

I came across this site that has Linux magazines downloadable for free in
PDF:

http://pclosmag.com/index.html

Ken


On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 2:06 PM KenUnix  wrote:

> Richard,
>
> Try here:  https://linuxnewmedia.square.site/shop/linux-magazine/2
>
> Ken
>
> On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 1:38 PM Richard via cctalk 
> wrote:
>
>> In article <333df660-9b28-e5ce-5ff1-f1295a9fa...@sydex.com>,
>> "Chuck Guzis via cctalk"  writes:
>>
>> > My "answering the call of nature" standard reading was EDN.   Sadly, it
>> > and Electronic Design are no longer published on dead trees.
>>
>> I used to love reading EE Times when it was a weekly tabloid style
>> print edition.  Ever since they moved to a web site only format, it's
>> been a serious downgrade of the experience.  Even with accounting for
>> the format change, it's now virtually imposible to find "what's new"
>> since the last time I was there.  The organization of the articles on
>> the web site is vastly inferior to the organization of the articles in
>> the print edition.  The sad part is that there's no reason for the
>> degraded experience just because they moved to a digital edition.
>> --
>> "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" free book <
>> http://tinyurl.com/d3d-pipeline>
>> The Terminals Wiki 
>>  The Computer Graphics Museum 
>>   Legalize Adulthood! (my blog) 
>>
>
>
> --
> End of line
> JOB TERMINATED Okey Dokey
>
>
>

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[cctalk] Re: flipchip cleaning and pin corrosion inhibition

[KenUnix via cctalk]

David,

I could tell you I had an experience where I had a stuck bit in core memory.

It was in a trunk frame in a #2ESS AIS.

I removed the core package and tapped it on the floor, reinserted it and
the trouble cleared.

Sticky bit! Ha

I only knew that because it happened to me on my old PDP-8/I..

Ken


On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 1:50 PM David Gesswein via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 11:11:35AM +0100, Pete Turnbull wrote:
> > On 23/04/2023 22:52, KenUnix via cctalk wrote:
> > > Pete,
> > >
> > > Did the 8E have core or solid state memory?
> >
> > It had both, but I didn't put the core boards in the dishwasher.  I
> figured
> > they might be too delicate for that, so I rinsed them by hand in the
> kitchen
> > sink.
> >
> > I should have said that in my original post.
> >
>
> I assume your referring to the core electronics boards and didn't wash the
> core plane.
>
> I've never used the dishwasher. I've hand washed R, W, G and M type boards
> in
> sink with dish soap and soft bristle brush, rinsed, then blew off with
> air compressor, then finish dry with fan. For pots and other
> components that I wasn't sure how well they were sealed I used damp brush
> or
> cloth around them. Rest got dunked. No obvious issues from washing.
>


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[cctalk] Re: Magazine no longer in print

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Richard,

Try here:  https://linuxnewmedia.square.site/shop/linux-magazine/2

Ken

On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 1:38 PM Richard via cctalk 
wrote:

> In article <333df660-9b28-e5ce-5ff1-f1295a9fa...@sydex.com>,
> "Chuck Guzis via cctalk"  writes:
>
> > My "answering the call of nature" standard reading was EDN.   Sadly, it
> > and Electronic Design are no longer published on dead trees.
>
> I used to love reading EE Times when it was a weekly tabloid style
> print edition.  Ever since they moved to a web site only format, it's
> been a serious downgrade of the experience.  Even with accounting for
> the format change, it's now virtually imposible to find "what's new"
> since the last time I was there.  The organization of the articles on
> the web site is vastly inferior to the organization of the articles in
> the print edition.  The sad part is that there's no reason for the
> degraded experience just because they moved to a digital edition.
> --
> "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" free book <
> http://tinyurl.com/d3d-pipeline>
> The Terminals Wiki 
>  The Computer Graphics Museum 
>   Legalize Adulthood! (my blog) 
>


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[cctalk] Re: flipchip cleaning and pin corrosion inhibition

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Peter,

I could tell you I had an experience where I had a stuck bit in core memory.

It was in a trunk frame in a #2ESS AIS.

I removed the core package and tapped it on the floor reinserted it and the
trouble cleared.

Sticky bit! Ha

Ken

On Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 6:23 AM Pete Turnbull via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On 23/04/2023 22:52, KenUnix via cctalk wrote:
> > Pete,
> >
> > Did the 8E have core or solid state memory?
>
> It had both, but I didn't put the core boards in the dishwasher.  I
> figured they might be too delicate for that, so I rinsed them by hand in
> the kitchen sink.
>
> I should have said that in my original post.
>
> --
> Pete
> Pete Turnbull
>
>

[cctalk] Re: Magazine no longer in print

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Tarek,

Try here:  https://linuxnewmedia.square.site/shop/linux-magazine/2

Ken

On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 7:07 PM Tarek Hoteit via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Seems Linux-magazine.com print order option is down. I get 404 not found
> error when I click on order print issue.
>
> Regards,
> Tarek Hoteit
> https://ne.thote.it/@tarek
>
> > On Apr 23, 2023, at 5:55 AM, KenUnix via cctalk 
> wrote:
> >
> > Linux Journal is now Linux Magazine and is *available in print* at:
> >
> > https://www.linux-magazine.com/
> >
> > and special editions at:
> > https://www.linux-magazine.com/Resources/Special-Editions
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >> On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 1:14 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
> >> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> My "answering the call of nature" standard reading was EDN.   Sadly, it
> >> and Electronic Design are no longer published on dead trees.
> >>
> >> --Chuck
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > End of line
> > JOB TERMINATED Okey Dokey
>


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[cctalk] Re: flipchip cleaning and pin corrosion inhibition

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Pete,

Did the 8E have core or solid state memory?

Ken


On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 4:06 PM Pete Turnbull via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On 23/04/2023 17:54, Fritz Mueller via cctalk wrote:
>
> > I’ve been eying the dishwasher, for the subset of flip chips that that
> are just DIP logic, carbon comp resistors, and ceramic bypass caps,
> anyway.   But I haven’t been brave enough to try that yet...  Most of the
> logic here has date codes to ’68 or ’69, so I’m inclined to treat it
> gently.  Any suggestions for approaches to clean this up?
>
> I've used the dishwasher on a collection of PDP-8/E boards with success.
>   Avoid the hot drying cycle, and don't use a harsh dishwasher
> detergent; some are quite caustic.
>
> --
> Pete
> Pete Turnbull
>
>

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[cctalk] Re: Magazine no longer in print

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Linux Journal is now Linux Magazine and is *available in print* at:

https://www.linux-magazine.com/

and special editions at:
https://www.linux-magazine.com/Resources/Special-Editions

Ken


On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 1:14 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> My "answering the call of nature" standard reading was EDN.   Sadly, it
> and Electronic Design are no longer published on dead trees.
>
> --Chuck
>
>

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[cctalk] Re: Magazine no longer in print

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Well still in print is

Linux Journal and Linux Format.

Ken

On Sat, Apr 22, 2023, 1:02 AM Tarek Hoteit via cctalk 
wrote:

> Funny you mentioned Brave New World. Just two hours ago I bought the book
> at Target. What a coincidence
>
> Regards,
> Tarek Hoteit
>
> > On Apr 21, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> > On 4/21/23 21:08, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote:
> >> That's the crux of it.
> >>
> >> Without advertisers magazines are too expensive.   As advertisers needs
> >> change they move to diferent media.
> >>
> >> It's frustrating.  But part of the world in which we live.
> >>
> >
> > Add to that, newspapers in print, broadcast TV and radio.
> >
> > Brave New World.
> >
> > --Chuck
> >
> >
>

[cctalk] Re: Mail veracity signing

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Got to me Apr 21, 2023.

On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:03 PM Tom Hunter via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> It got all the way Down Under.  8-)
>
>
> On Fri, 21 Apr 2023, 8:56 am Zane Healy via cctalk,  >
> wrote:
>
> > That was rather my thought, it made it through.
> >
> > Zane
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 20, 2023, at 5:38 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk <
> > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Your note got through, that's a promising start.  Let's hope this
> change
> > helps.
> > >
> > >   paul
> > >
> > >> On Apr 20, 2023, at 8:32 PM, Dennis Boone via cctalk <
> > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Folks,
> > >>
> > >> A heads up that I've turned on some mail veracity signing
> functionality
> > >> in Mailman.  One could hope it would just work, and that I made no
> > >> mistakes in the configuration, but... :)
> > >>
> > >> I'm working on this to try to improve deliverability of list traffic.
> > >>
> > >> De
> > >
> >
> >
>


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[cctalk] Re: Beaglebone Black Industrial

[KenUnix via cctalk]

All the details are at:
https://www.beagleboard.org/boards/beaglebone-black-industrial

And here:
https://community.element14.com/products/roadtest/rt/roadtests/27/beaglebone_black_ind#pifragment-4106=9=4

The original Beagle Bone Black *new from Newark Electronics's $52*.
https://www.newark.com/seeed-studio/102110420/beaglebone-black-rohs-compliant/dp/88AH7402

These SBC's are fun and come with Debian Linux preloaded.

Ken


On Fri, Apr 7, 2023 at 1:43 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

>
> On 4/7/2023 1:39 PM, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote:
> >   > Yes, but I am pretty sure it doesn't have the ethernet.  And I found
> >   > a bargain on the Beaglebone Black Industrial.
> >
> > It does have ethernet.  They dropped the HDMI output.  But the main
> > advantage is price, so if you already found a deal, win.
>
>
> Claimed as new.  Less than $40 each.  Half of what places like Mouser
> are asking.
>
> And, I saw at least one place asking $120 for one.
>
>
> bill
>
>
>

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[cctalk] Re: Beaglebone Black Industrial

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Dennis,

They also have a more robust motherboard.

Ken


On Fri, Apr 7, 2023 at 10:55 AM Dennis Boone via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

>  > Does anyone here know if the Beaglebone Black Industrial is he same
>  > as the regular Beaglebone Black?  I have a couple of the MFM Emulator
>  > boards to build and will need a couple Beaglebones for them.
>
> They're supposed to be the same except with expanded operating
> temperature range.
>
> You know the Greens work for the MFMemu, right?
>
> De
>


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[cctalk] Re: Earliest version of 3b2/400 sim

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Thanks.


On Sun, Apr 2, 2023 at 2:58 PM Paul Koning via cctalk 
wrote:

> The simulators are maintained using Git, the repository at Github.  You
> can use standard Git mechanisms to check out earlier revisions of anything
> you want.
>
> paul
>
> > On Apr 2, 2023, at 11:26 AM, KenUnix via cctalk 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Does anyone know the oldest version of the SIM 3b2/400
> > is and where I can get it?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ken
> >
> > --
> > WWL 
>
>

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[cctalk] Earliest version of 3b2/400 sim

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Hi,

Does anyone know the oldest version of the SIM 3b2/400
is and where I can get it?

Thanks,
Ken

-- 
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[cctalk] Unix System V r1 -> Unix System V r3

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Hi,

Has anyone been successful in communicating using cu or some
other method to transfer files between two SIMS running Unix V ?

If so I would appreciate some help.

Thanks,
Ken


-- 
WWL 

[cctalk] Fortran question for Unix System-5 r3

[KenUnix via cctalk]

 Fortran question for Unix System-5 r3.

When executing fortran programs requiring "input" the screen will
show a blank screen. After entering input anyway the program
completes under Unix System V *r3*.

When the same program is compiled under Unix System V *r1* it
works as expected. The user sees the prompt.

Sounds like on Unix System V *r3* the output buffer is not being flushed.
I tried re-compiling F77. No help. Is it possible to check the runtime
libraries to see if fflush is missing?

Fortran program follows:

  PROGRAM EASTER
  INTEGER YEAR,METCYC,CENTRY,ERROR1,ERROR2,DAY
  INTEGER EPACT,LUNA
C A PROGRAM TO CALCULATE THE DATE OF EASTER
  PRINT '(A)',' INPUT THE YEAR FOR WHICH EASTER'
  PRINT '(A)',' IS TO BE CALCULATED'
  PRINT '(A)',' ENTER THE WHOLE YEAR, E.G. 1978 '
  READ '(A)',YEAR
C CALCULATING THE YEAR IN THE 19 YEAR METONIC CYCLE-METCYC
  METCYC = MOD(YEAR,19)+1
  IF(YEAR.LE.1582)THEN
DAY = (5*YEAR)/4
EPACT = MOD(11*METCYC-4,30)+1
  ELSE
C CALCULATING THE CENTURY-CENTRY
  CENTRY = (YEAR/100)+1
C ACCOUNTING FOR ARITHMETIC INACCURACIES
C IGNORES LEAP YEARS ETC.
ERROR1 = (3*CENTRY/4)-12
ERROR2 = ((8*CENTRY+5)/25)-5
C LOCATING SUNDAY
DAY = (5*YEAR/4)-ERROR1-10
C LOCATING THE EPACT(FULL MOON)
EPACT = MOD(11*METCYC+20+ERROR2-ERROR1,30)
IF(EPACT.LT.0)EPACT=30+EPACT
IF((EPACT.EQ.25.AND.METCYC.GT.11).OR.EPACT.EQ.24)THEN
  EPACT=EPACT+1
ENDIF
  ENDIF
C FINDING THE FULL MOON
  LUNA=44-EPACT
  IF(LUNA.LT.21)THEN
LUNA=LUNA+30
  ENDIF
C LOCATING EASTER SUNDAY
  LUNA=LUNA+7-(MOD(DAY+LUNA,7))
C LOCATING THE CORRECT MONTH
  IF(LUNA.GT.31)THEN
LUNA = LUNA - 31
PRINT '(A)',' FOR THE YEAR ',YEAR
PRINT '(A)',' EASTER FALLS ON APRIL ',LUNA
  ELSE
PRINT '(A)',' FOR THE YEAR ',YEAR
PRINT '(A)',' EASTER FALLS ON MARCH ',LUNA
  ENDIF
  END

Any help would be appreciated,
Ken
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