Re: DEC part number system

2021-01-01 Thread Antonio Carlini via cctalk

On 01/01/2021 00:38, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:

It looks like you already uploaded it to Manx:

   https://manx-docs.org/collections/antonio/dec/standards/el-00012-00-.pdf



Good ... at least I'm now not the only (known) source for that CD! Maybe 
this year will be the year I list all the docs I have and make sure that 
all the unique ones end up on bitsavers :-)



Antonio


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Re: DEC part number system

2020-12-31 Thread Will Cooke via cctalk


> 
> It was (iirc) described in DEC STD 012 (the part numbering standard) but
> I don't seem to have that one handy. If you can find it it should
> contain everything you want. I do have (or did have) a DEC STDs CD at
> one point, but my copy of that seems to be missing DEC STD 012. There
> are plenty of DEC STD docs that would rate considerably higher on the
> "confidential" scale than this one and they are freely available, so
> I've no idea why this one might be missing.
> 
> 
> Antonio


Maybe here?
Beware the crud :(
https://manualzz.com/doc/19854183/dec-std-012-1-documentation-identification-conventions-in...


Will


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Re: DEC part number system

2020-12-31 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Antonio Carlini

> It was (iirc) described in DEC STD 012 (the part numbering standard) ...
> I do have (or did have) a DEC STDs CD at one point, but my copy of that
> seems to be missing DEC STD 012. ... I've no idea why this one might be
> missing.

It looks like you already uploaded it to Manx:

  https://manx-docs.org/collections/antonio/dec/standards/el-00012-00-.pdf

Looking though that led me to DEC STD 012-2 "Unified Numbering Code for Part
Identifier Class Codes":

  https://manx-docs.org/collections/antonio/dec/standards/el-00012-02-.pdf

which was exactly what I wanted. It's not the thing I remembered, but as DEC's
official list, in some ways it's better (although it's so detailed it's kind
of overkill :-)!


> From: Vincent Slyngstad

> the "Spare Parts List" links on this page are relevant:

Volume II had a brief but early 'class code' list; I made good use of it.


Thanks everone! Much appreciated!

   Noel


Re: DEC part number system

2020-12-31 Thread Vincent Slyngstad via cctalk

On 12/31/2020 12:48 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:

So, DEC part numbers (xx-y-zz) have a system where the 'xx' says what
_kind_ of part it is; e.g. bootstrap PROMs are all 23-x-yy. I seem to
recall reading at some point something which listed all the xx- codes, and
what they meant - but now I can't find it. A Web search didn't turn it up, and
it's not in the 1974 'engineering handbook'?

Does anyone recall seeing it, and if so, where?


I knew I had the documents, but I couldn't figure out where I originally 
got them.  (They seem to have been converted from TIFF, so maybe highgate?)


Anyway, the "Spare Parts List" links on this page are relevant:
http://www.so-much-stuff.com/pdp8/repair/subst.php


Obviously, I could look through a bunch of print sets, and reconstruct it
(e.g. 90- seems to mean mounting hardware - nuts and bolts, etc) but I'd
rather not put the time and energy into reconstructing the wheel, unless
there's no other way.


These documents are dated July and Sept. 1970, so you may well want to 
do that work anyway, to get a handle on the newer part numbers.


Vince



Re: DEC part number system

2020-12-31 Thread Antonio Carlini via cctalk

On 31/12/2020 20:48, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:

So, DEC part numbers (xx-y-zz) have a system where the 'xx' says what
_kind_ of part it is; e.g. bootstrap PROMs are all 23-x-yy. I seem to
recall reading at some point something which listed all the xx- codes, and
what they meant - but now I can't find it. A Web search didn't turn it up, and
it's not in the 1974 'engineering handbook'?

Does anyone recall seeing it, and if so, where?

Obviously, I could look through a bunch of print sets, and reconstruct it
(e.g. 90- seems to mean mounting hardware - nuts and bolts, etc) but I'd
rather not put the time and energy into reconstructing the wheel, unless
there's no other way.

Noel



I thought that there was something at the beginning of the Options and 
Modules List (aka the "Dick best List") but seemingly not.


It was (iirc) described in DEC STD 012 (the part numbering standard) but 
I don't seem to have that one handy. If you can find it it should 
contain everything you want. I do have (or did have) a DEC STDs CD at 
one point, but my copy of that seems to be missing DEC STD 012. There 
are plenty of DEC STD docs that would rate considerably higher on the 
"confidential" scale than this one and they are freely available, so 
I've no idea why this one might be missing.



Antonio



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Antonio Carlini
anto...@acarlini.com



DEC part number system

2020-12-31 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
So, DEC part numbers (xx-y-zz) have a system where the 'xx' says what
_kind_ of part it is; e.g. bootstrap PROMs are all 23-x-yy. I seem to
recall reading at some point something which listed all the xx- codes, and
what they meant - but now I can't find it. A Web search didn't turn it up, and
it's not in the 1974 'engineering handbook'?

Does anyone recall seeing it, and if so, where?

Obviously, I could look through a bunch of print sets, and reconstruct it
(e.g. 90- seems to mean mounting hardware - nuts and bolts, etc) but I'd
rather not put the time and energy into reconstructing the wheel, unless
there's no other way.

Noel