Re: More cleaning out the Bob basement
Got most of the data. About 300 bad sectors, most of which are on head 3. We'll see what it looks like... On 9/19/2021 9:27 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: I took pictures about a year ago when I started this, should be... https://www.crystel.com/bob Right now I'm reading that 1525 disk, sometimes you get only one try in this game. Head 3 is not happy, but it is getting some of the data on retries. When done I'll put the image up for Ian to take a look at and see if it's worth asking someone to try recovering the remaining sectors. C On 9/19/2021 9:04 PM, Tony Aiuto wrote: On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 4:01 PM Chris Zach via cctalk mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: Went over to chip away at the Bob basement, and this time Alex came with me. Are you taking pictures of the inventory and posting them somewhere?
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On Sep 19, 2021, at 2:13 PM, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: > > I'm sorry if I made a bad joke. Please understand this was all tongue in > cheek. > > As for plans, I had a massive heart attack in June and nearly died. 8 > stents and a pacemaker later I am alive and kicking. > > My suggestion's are: > > Make a will. > Put all of your real estate and investments in a trust with you and your wife > (and possibly your next of kin) to avoid inheritance tax (I am no lawyer, so > contact a lawyer on how to do this) > Make sure there is a list of all bank account and credit card numbers some > where where both of you can access it (a safety deposit box or home safe > comes to mind). > I would suggest that all of your passwords are kept in a password manager > that both of you have access to or encrypted somewhere with a password you > both know. > In case you both were to die together, make sure your next of kin knows how > to find or access the above information. > If you have special requests for disposition of your property after you die, > state it in your will or make a list and put it in the safety deposit box > mentioned above. > > These are some of the things my wonderful wife and I did after my heat attack. > > Please forgive the morbid nature of this but my perspective has changed since > the heart attack. This is a very, very important point. At the start of Covid, I lost a very good friend to a heart attack. He was an incredibly knowledgable professional photographer. With a studio larger than most houses, and an insane amount of gear (including drum scanners). From what little I know, the story doesn’t have a happy ending. Both my wife and our eldest have a pretty good idea on the books, as well as the camera gear. They have less of an idea on the Classic Computer equipment, though I know they know it’s not worthless. They might have a better idea on the Video Games than me. Zane
Re: More cleaning out the Bob basement
I took pictures about a year ago when I started this, should be... https://www.crystel.com/bob Right now I'm reading that 1525 disk, sometimes you get only one try in this game. Head 3 is not happy, but it is getting some of the data on retries. When done I'll put the image up for Ian to take a look at and see if it's worth asking someone to try recovering the remaining sectors. C On 9/19/2021 9:04 PM, Tony Aiuto wrote: On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 4:01 PM Chris Zach via cctalk mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: Went over to chip away at the Bob basement, and this time Alex came with me. Are you taking pictures of the inventory and posting them somewhere?
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On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 4:01 PM Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > Went over to chip away at the Bob basement, and this time Alex came with > me. > Are you taking pictures of the inventory and posting them somewhere?
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I'm sorry if I made a bad joke. Please understand this was all tongue in cheek. As for plans, I had a massive heart attack in June and nearly died. 8 stents and a pacemaker later I am alive and kicking. My suggestion's are: Make a will. Put all of your real estate and investments in a trust with you and your wife (and possibly your next of kin) to avoid inheritance tax (I am no lawyer, so contact a lawyer on how to do this) Make sure there is a list of all bank account and credit card numbers some where where both of you can access it (a safety deposit box or home safe comes to mind). I would suggest that all of your passwords are kept in a password manager that both of you have access to or encrypted somewhere with a password you both know. In case you both were to die together, make sure your next of kin knows how to find or access the above information. If you have special requests for disposition of your property after you die, state it in your will or make a list and put it in the safety deposit box mentioned above. These are some of the things my wonderful wife and I did after my heat attack. Please forgive the morbid nature of this but my perspective has changed since the heart attack. On 9/19/2021 3:57 PM, Josh Dersch via cctalk wrote: On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 1:39 PM Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: On 9/18/2021 10:04 PM, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote: https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/64153952.jpg No problem with stopping the stupid wife stuff, but this is an important issue: Cleaning out basement hoards like this is *NOT* easy, and if you have one make plans now for when you die. It can happen sooner than you think due to accident/whatnot. On the positive side this is a bit of a time capsule and we *did* get all the Perq software and documentation out on the tapes. That was a serious win apparently. I'm still working through the tapes and I've had decent success with them, however if I may add to Chris's suggestions: don't leave tapes in a damp basement for 20+ years, it makes them difficult to read. All the more frustrating when they contain what may be the only surviving copy of various bits of software for an obscure workstation :). - Josh
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On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 1:39 PM Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > On 9/18/2021 10:04 PM, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote: > > https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/64153952.jpg > > No problem with stopping the stupid wife stuff, but this is an important > issue: Cleaning out basement hoards like this is *NOT* easy, and if you > have one make plans now for when you die. It can happen sooner than you > think due to accident/whatnot. > > On the positive side this is a bit of a time capsule and we *did* get > all the Perq software and documentation out on the tapes. That was a > serious win apparently. > I'm still working through the tapes and I've had decent success with them, however if I may add to Chris's suggestions: don't leave tapes in a damp basement for 20+ years, it makes them difficult to read. All the more frustrating when they contain what may be the only surviving copy of various bits of software for an obscure workstation :). - Josh
Re: More cleaning out the Bob basement
On 9/18/2021 10:04 PM, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote: https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/64153952.jpg No problem with stopping the stupid wife stuff, but this is an important issue: Cleaning out basement hoards like this is *NOT* easy, and if you have one make plans now for when you die. It can happen sooner than you think due to accident/whatnot. On the positive side this is a bit of a time capsule and we *did* get all the Perq software and documentation out on the tapes. That was a serious win apparently.
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On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 04:39:06AM +, Mark Linimon via cctalk wrote: > On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 08:20:44PM -0700, jim stephens via cctalk wrote: > > Wifey has phone numbers and knows about several of these lists. Reminds of that chat we had at BSDCan a few years ago eh? > > ;-) Diane -- d...@freebsd.org d...@db.net http://www.db.net/~db
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On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 08:20:44PM -0700, jim stephens via cctalk wrote: > Wifey has phone numbers and knows about several of these lists. ;-)
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Wifey has phone numbers and knows about several of these lists. thanks Jim On 9/18/2021 7:10 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: On 9/18/21 7:32 PM, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: Which is worse, no basement or a wife To all the wives out there: "no basement"
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On 9/18/21 7:32 PM, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: Which is worse, no basement or a wife To all the wives out there: "no basement" -- Grant. . . . unix || die
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On 2021-09-18 9:39 p.m., Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: > I did finally dump the first wife. The second one is just too good to > dump. > https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/64153952.jpg > On 9/18/2021 8:36 PM, Alexandre Souza wrote: >> I'd dump the wife... >> >> Enviado do meu Tele-Movel >> >> Em sáb, 18 de set de 2021 22:33, Mike Katz via cctalk >> mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> escreveu: >> >> I have a basement but I also have a wife who complains everytime I >> bring >> some orphaned computer part (or camera) home and to the basement. In >> her eyes it's all junk. >> >> Which is worse, no basement or a wife >> >> It was because of my first wife (now ex) that I sold my 2 full >> racks of >> PDP-8/E equipment. >> >> On 9/18/2021 3:40 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: >> > >> >> On Sep 18, 2021, at 1:01 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk >> mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: >> >> >> >> Went over to chip away at the Bob basement, and this time Alex >> came with me. This is not a bad idea as if one of the piles shift >> and I get stuck it would be nice to have someone there to call 911. >> > You might be joking, but this is no joke, it’s a *VERY* good >> idea. Back when my collection was in storage units, I took a >> large vintage TV to the head. Thankfully I was okay, but it could >> have been much worse. After that I started being more cautious. >> > >> >> Moral: Do not die with a lot of this stuff in your basement. We >> were far more able to move this stuff 30 years ago when we were >> young than today. >> > Good point. I was reminded of this a few months ago, while I >> was working some of my old gear while on my Sabbatical. The good >> news, I don’t have a basement. :-) >> > >> > Zane >> > >> > >> > >> >
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I did finally dump the first wife. The second one is just too good to dump. On 9/18/2021 8:36 PM, Alexandre Souza wrote: I'd dump the wife... Enviado do meu Tele-Movel Em sáb, 18 de set de 2021 22:33, Mike Katz via cctalk mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> escreveu: I have a basement but I also have a wife who complains everytime I bring some orphaned computer part (or camera) home and to the basement. In her eyes it's all junk. Which is worse, no basement or a wife It was because of my first wife (now ex) that I sold my 2 full racks of PDP-8/E equipment. On 9/18/2021 3:40 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: > >> On Sep 18, 2021, at 1:01 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: >> >> Went over to chip away at the Bob basement, and this time Alex came with me. This is not a bad idea as if one of the piles shift and I get stuck it would be nice to have someone there to call 911. > You might be joking, but this is no joke, it’s a *VERY* good idea. Back when my collection was in storage units, I took a large vintage TV to the head. Thankfully I was okay, but it could have been much worse. After that I started being more cautious. > >> Moral: Do not die with a lot of this stuff in your basement. We were far more able to move this stuff 30 years ago when we were young than today. > Good point. I was reminded of this a few months ago, while I was working some of my old gear while on my Sabbatical. The good news, I don’t have a basement. :-) > > Zane > > >
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I'd dump the wife... Enviado do meu Tele-Movel Em sáb, 18 de set de 2021 22:33, Mike Katz via cctalk escreveu: > I have a basement but I also have a wife who complains everytime I bring > some orphaned computer part (or camera) home and to the basement. In > her eyes it's all junk. > > Which is worse, no basement or a wife > > It was because of my first wife (now ex) that I sold my 2 full racks of > PDP-8/E equipment. > > On 9/18/2021 3:40 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: > > > >> On Sep 18, 2021, at 1:01 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> > >> Went over to chip away at the Bob basement, and this time Alex came > with me. This is not a bad idea as if one of the piles shift and I get > stuck it would be nice to have someone there to call 911. > > You might be joking, but this is no joke, it’s a *VERY* good idea. Back > when my collection was in storage units, I took a large vintage TV to the > head. Thankfully I was okay, but it could have been much worse. After > that I started being more cautious. > > > >> Moral: Do not die with a lot of this stuff in your basement. We were > far more able to move this stuff 30 years ago when we were young than today. > > Good point. I was reminded of this a few months ago, while I was > working some of my old gear while on my Sabbatical. The good news, I don’t > have a basement. :-) > > > > Zane > > > > > > > >
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I have a basement but I also have a wife who complains everytime I bring some orphaned computer part (or camera) home and to the basement. In her eyes it's all junk. Which is worse, no basement or a wife It was because of my first wife (now ex) that I sold my 2 full racks of PDP-8/E equipment. On 9/18/2021 3:40 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: On Sep 18, 2021, at 1:01 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: Went over to chip away at the Bob basement, and this time Alex came with me. This is not a bad idea as if one of the piles shift and I get stuck it would be nice to have someone there to call 911. You might be joking, but this is no joke, it’s a *VERY* good idea. Back when my collection was in storage units, I took a large vintage TV to the head. Thankfully I was okay, but it could have been much worse. After that I started being more cautious. Moral: Do not die with a lot of this stuff in your basement. We were far more able to move this stuff 30 years ago when we were young than today. Good point. I was reminded of this a few months ago, while I was working some of my old gear while on my Sabbatical. The good news, I don’t have a basement. :-) Zane
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> On Sep 18, 2021, at 1:01 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk > wrote: > > Went over to chip away at the Bob basement, and this time Alex came with me. > This is not a bad idea as if one of the piles shift and I get stuck it would > be nice to have someone there to call 911. You might be joking, but this is no joke, it’s a *VERY* good idea. Back when my collection was in storage units, I took a large vintage TV to the head. Thankfully I was okay, but it could have been much worse. After that I started being more cautious. > Moral: Do not die with a lot of this stuff in your basement. We were far more > able to move this stuff 30 years ago when we were young than today. Good point. I was reminded of this a few months ago, while I was working some of my old gear while on my Sabbatical. The good news, I don’t have a basement. :-) Zane
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Where is this? > On Sep 18, 2021, at 13:01, Chris Zach via cctalk > wrote: > > Went over to chip away at the Bob basement, and this time Alex came with me. > This is not a bad idea as if one of the piles shift and I get stuck it would > be nice to have someone there to call 911. Anyway we cleared out a lot of the > stuff in the tunnel to the Perqs including: > > A Franklin computer, in box. > A TRS80 Model 3 > An Apollo 3500 or so server box (heavy) > A Sun2 something > A sun 3/60 (I remember these!) > A Sparcserver 10,000 (heavy beyond belief) > Some sort of an IBM AS400 thing (also heavy) > An Apple II/e. > Few more hard drives > Weird scope like things > > The good news is the way to the MicroVax and the Perqs are clear. The bad > news is these are Perq2's which are bulky and there is still a pedestal > mounted Sun 3/110 in the way. > > Moral: Do not die with a lot of this stuff in your basement. We were far more > able to move this stuff 30 years ago when we were young than today. > > We may need more people. 2 hours of working that pile left us both trashed. > Ian, want to come over sometime? > > C >
More cleaning out the Bob basement
Went over to chip away at the Bob basement, and this time Alex came with me. This is not a bad idea as if one of the piles shift and I get stuck it would be nice to have someone there to call 911. Anyway we cleared out a lot of the stuff in the tunnel to the Perqs including: A Franklin computer, in box. A TRS80 Model 3 An Apollo 3500 or so server box (heavy) A Sun2 something A sun 3/60 (I remember these!) A Sparcserver 10,000 (heavy beyond belief) Some sort of an IBM AS400 thing (also heavy) An Apple II/e. Few more hard drives Weird scope like things The good news is the way to the MicroVax and the Perqs are clear. The bad news is these are Perq2's which are bulky and there is still a pedestal mounted Sun 3/110 in the way. Moral: Do not die with a lot of this stuff in your basement. We were far more able to move this stuff 30 years ago when we were young than today. We may need more people. 2 hours of working that pile left us both trashed. Ian, want to come over sometime? C
