Pine (was: Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 17, Issue 20)
> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 21:41:53 -0500 (EST) > From: et...@757.org > Subject: Re: Could someone make this topic go away? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Am I the only one left using Pine!? > > I get odd looks when I'm checking email from my cell phone. No you are not. I use (al)pine on my OpenVMS system here as well as my main Linux host. I have mail going back to 2004 here and since 1996 at another public access Unix host I use. It's great when I'm out of town and can ssh in from my phone and check the mail. :) Pine does most everything I need without having to worry about malware, phishing, etc ... the beauty of text. Fred
Re: Pine (was: Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 17, Issue 20)
Am I the only one left using Pine!? On Fri, 20 Nov 2015, Fred wrote: No you are not. I use (al)pine on my OpenVMS system here as well as my main Linux host. I have mail going back to 2004 here and since 1996 at another public access Unix host I use. It's great when I'm out of town and can ssh in from my phone and check the mail. :) Pine does most everything I need without having to worry about malware, phishing, etc ... the beauty of text. PINE. I also have a gmail account, mostly for forwarding/viewing non-text stuff. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
Re: Pine (was: Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 17, Issue 20)
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > Am I the only one left using Pine!? >>> >> On Fri, 20 Nov 2015, Fred wrote: > >> No you are not. >> I use (al)pine on my OpenVMS system here as well as my main Linux host. I >> have mail going back to 2004 here and since 1996 at another public access >> Unix host I use. It's great when I'm out of town and can ssh in from my >> phone and check the mail. :) Pine does most everything I need without >> having to worry about malware, phishing, etc ... the beauty of text. >> > > PINE. > I also have a gmail account, mostly for forwarding/viewing non-text stuff. > I use mutt (text-based) on my laptop, connecting to Gmail via IMAP. When I get non-text stuff I can just hit a key and open it in a browser or picture viewer. It works pretty well, but I wish it didn't take so long to load the headers each time (they're supposed to be cached but it sure takes a while to go to my "All Mail" folder with its 33,000+ messages). I'm considering doing something that actually downloads my Gmail content locally and keeps it in sync periodically, but I haven't really looked at what's necessary for that. One thing I'd love would be a way to change some threads as mutt sees them -- the client has had the ability to associate messages with or disassociate messages from a thread manually for years, but it seems that when I do that, Gmail later reverses my decision. I'm not sure how I could keep synchrony with Gmail *and* have that. -- Eric Christopherson
Re: Pine (was: Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 17, Issue 20)
Demonstrating reading your work mail (hosted by gmail) on a VMS system via pine is totally worth the speechless responses. --Jason On 11/20/2015 11:39 AM, Eric Christopherson wrote: On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: Am I the only one left using Pine!? On Fri, 20 Nov 2015, Fred wrote: No you are not. I use (al)pine on my OpenVMS system here as well as my main Linux host. I have mail going back to 2004 here and since 1996 at another public access Unix host I use. It's great when I'm out of town and can ssh in from my phone and check the mail. :) Pine does most everything I need without having to worry about malware, phishing, etc ... the beauty of text. PINE. I also have a gmail account, mostly for forwarding/viewing non-text stuff. I use mutt (text-based) on my laptop, connecting to Gmail via IMAP. When I get non-text stuff I can just hit a key and open it in a browser or picture viewer. It works pretty well, but I wish it didn't take so long to load the headers each time (they're supposed to be cached but it sure takes a while to go to my "All Mail" folder with its 33,000+ messages). I'm considering doing something that actually downloads my Gmail content locally and keeps it in sync periodically, but I haven't really looked at what's necessary for that. One thing I'd love would be a way to change some threads as mutt sees them -- the client has had the ability to associate messages with or disassociate messages from a thread manually for years, but it seems that when I do that, Gmail later reverses my decision. I'm not sure how I could keep synchrony with Gmail *and* have that.
Re: Pine (was: Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 17, Issue 20)
On Fri, 20 Nov 2015, Jason Howe wrote: > Demonstrating reading your work mail (hosted by gmail) on a VMS system > via pine is totally worth the speechless responses. I am reading this with Pine on my VMS Alphaserver 4100 as usual. I did not know that alpine was available for VMS, I will have to look into that. -- Richard Loken VE6BSV, Unix System Administrator : "Anybody can be a father Athabasca University: but you have to earn Athabasca, Alberta Canada : the title of 'daddy'" ** richar...@admin.athabascau.ca ** : - Lynn Johnston
Re: Pine (was: Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 17, Issue 20)
>> Demonstrating reading your work mail (hosted by gmail) on a VMS >> system via pine is totally worth the speechless responses. :-) > I am reading this with Pine [...] While I don't actually use pine, I do read my mail using text-only tools that are completely MIME-blind. (I do have tools that do things like extract attached images. They are, however, not part of my routine mail-reading flow.) Whether this counts me on the "yes" or "no" side, of course, depends on exactly why you care. :-) /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTMLmo...@rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B
Re: Pine (was: Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 17, Issue 20)
On 20/11/2015 19:39, Eric Christopherson wrote: I'm considering doing something that actually downloads my Gmail content locally and keeps it in sync periodically, but I haven't really looked at what's necessary for that. You could use fetchmail to snarf it and any IMAP server to make it available as you like - I use UW imapd, which is pretty lightweight. -- Pete
Re: Pine (was: Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 17, Issue 20)
On Sat, Nov 21, 2015, Pete Turnbull wrote: > On 20/11/2015 19:39, Eric Christopherson wrote: > > >I'm considering doing something that actually downloads my Gmail content > >locally and keeps it in sync periodically, but I haven't really looked at > >what's necessary for that. > > You could use fetchmail to snarf it and any IMAP server to make it available > as you like - I use UW imapd, which is pretty lightweight. True, but my concern is that if I made changes in my local copy to better suit me, the official Gmail copy would eventually conflict with it pretty badly. I admit I haven't investigated the issue, though. -- Eric Christopherson
Re: Pine (was: Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 17, Issue 20)
Hello: On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 01:39:32PM -0600, (Yes, almost two years ago. I'm a bit behind with my mail, LOL.) Eric Christopherson wrote: > I'm considering doing something that actually > downloads my Gmail content locally and keeps it > in sync periodically, but I haven't really > looked at what's necessary for that. Have a look at mbsync/isync if you still haven't done anything about it on those two years. LOL It does exactly what you wanted. Cheers, Ángel
Re: Pine (was: Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 17, Issue 20)
I'm considering doing something that actually downloads my Gmail content locally and keeps it in sync periodically, but I haven't really looked at what's necessary for that. On Sun, 22 Oct 2017, Angel M Alganza via cctalk wrote: Have a look at mbsync/isync if you still haven't done anything about it on those two years. LOL It does exactly what you wanted. Cheers, ?ngel ^ example A minor problem - A lot of mail that I receive won't display pro[perly on PINE (such as the first letter of your name in your signature! I end up forwarding some mail FROM PINE, TO GMail to be able to read it!
Re: Pine (was: Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 17, Issue 20)
A minor problem - A lot of mail that I receive won't display pro[perly on PINE (such as the first letter of your name in your signature! I end up forwarding some mail FROM PINE, TO GMail to be able to read it! The UTF-8 subject lines are the worst :-( Other than that, pine for 20 years (well, I suppose it's Alpine now.) -- : Ethan O'Toole
Re: Pine (was: Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 17, Issue 20)
It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin via cctalk once stated: > >>I'm considering doing something that actually > >>downloads my Gmail content locally and keeps it > >>in sync periodically, but I haven't really > >>looked at what's necessary for that. > > On Sun, 22 Oct 2017, Angel M Alganza via cctalk wrote: > >Have a look at mbsync/isync if you still haven't > >done anything about it on those two years. LOL > >It does exactly what you wanted. > >Cheers, > >�ngel > ^ > example > > A minor problem - A lot of mail that I receive won't display pro[perly on > PINE (such as the first letter of your name in your signature! > I end up forwarding some mail FROM PINE, TO GMail to be able to read it! I have: LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=C as part of my environment, and I'm using a font that supports UTF-8. Then again, I'm using mutt, which supports locales and so it's only the really malformed emails that end up garbled on my end. Note---UTF-8 is now 25 years old, so it should be fine for this list 8-P -spc
Re: Pine (was: Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 17, Issue 20)
On Sun, 22 Oct 2017, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: I'm considering doing something that actually downloads my Gmail content locally and keeps it in sync periodically, but I haven't really looked at what's necessary for that. On Sun, 22 Oct 2017, Angel M Alganza via cctalk wrote: Have a look at mbsync/isync if you still haven't done anything about it on those two years. LOL It does exactly what you wanted. Cheers, ?ngel ^ example A minor problem - A lot of mail that I receive won't display pro[perly on PINE (such as the first letter of your name in your signature! I end up forwarding some mail FROM PINE, TO GMail to be able to read it! I have the same issue using Alpine. Best email anti-virus on the planet though. ;) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
Re: Pine (was: Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 17, Issue 20)
On Sun, 22 Oct 2017, Sean Conner via cctalk wrote: By gum! Alpine does indeed translate the 'A' into a '?' and I never noticed. It seems that my tiny mind simply translated the character and moved on. I have: LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=C as part of my environment, and I'm using a font that supports UTF-8... And how does one know that a font supports UTF-8? And yes UTF-8 has been around for decades but as an English speaker I didn't have to think about unicode and locale and stuff like that. -- Richard Loken VE6BSV: "...underneath those tuques we wear, Athabasca, Alberta Canada : our heads are naked!" ** rllo...@telus.net ** :- Arthur Black
Re: Pine (was: Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 17, Issue 20)
On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 3:13 AM, Angel M Alganza via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Hello: > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 01:39:32PM -0600, > (Yes, almost two years ago. I'm a bit behind with > my mail, LOL.) Eric Christopherson wrote: > > > I'm considering doing something that actually > > downloads my Gmail content locally and keeps it > > in sync periodically, but I haven't really > > looked at what's necessary for that. > > Have a look at mbsync/isync if you still haven't > done anything about it on those two years. LOL > It does exactly what you wanted. > > Cheers, > Ángel > Gracias, Ángel. As a matter of fact I *haven't* done any work on that front lately. I will be sure to check these out. I can't remember how long I've been using it (but apparently for at least two years), but I use Gmail's IMAP via mutt. I know a lot of people like *pine but when I first started seriously playing around with text-mode Linux (since I installed it on a system that I figured was too wimpy to support X) I started using mutt for local and POP/SMTP mail and have always really liked it. I use alpine in a shell account on a remote server I use, but I'm always cursing the way it helpfully offers to automatically archive and/or delete old messages. I know at least once I've accidentally hit a key giving it permission to do its thing, with no chance of undoing it. I thought I had turned that off somehow, but the last time I used it it happened again. I'm pretty sure the first *nix email client I used was elm. I seem to remember liking it better than pine, but I don't remember why. -- Eric Christopherson
Re: Pine (was: Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 17, Issue 20)
On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Richard Loken via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Sun, 22 Oct 2017, Sean Conner via cctalk wrote: > > By gum! Alpine does indeed translate the 'A' into a '?' and I never > noticed. It seems that my tiny mind simply translated the character > and moved on. > > I have: >> >> LANG=en_US.UTF-8 >> LC_COLLATE=C >> >> as part of my environment, and I'm using a font that supports UTF-8... >> > > And how does one know that a font supports UTF-8? > > And yes UTF-8 has been around for decades but as an English speaker I > didn't have to think about unicode and locale and stuff like that. I just joined the SunHelp rescue list a few weeks ago, and I've seen several places where "curly quotes" get replaced by the letter b plus another character I can't remember off the top of my head. This seems to be a problem with their list rather than with mutt. I have to say, though, that curly quotes are a huge problem encodingwise anyway. (It's always nice to paste in some source code where the nice clean ASCII quotes have been converted into matching pairs of curly quotes!) -- Eric Christopherson
Re: Pine (was: Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 17, Issue 20)
On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, Richard Loken wrote: By gum! Alpine does indeed translate the 'A' into a '?' and I never noticed. I'm using Alpine, too, and have no problems with the à or any other foreign character. I'm not even using UTF-8 but plain ISO-8859-1 in my terminal. But it's important to set "Display Character Set" and "Unknown Character Set" in Alpine's settings! Otherwise you'll see '?' for all non-ASCII characters. Christian
