Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
real slow to access but what i just saw was a paper tape reader Ed In a message dated 5/16/2018 9:13:46 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: Visited an older collector recently, and in his shed he has a strange thing, labeled CDC, that somehow looks like a drum memory, but then again not ( drum looks too small to be usefull ) The controller that goes with is a transistor based monster on countless small pluginboards. Pictures on ftp://ftp.dreesen.ch/Unknown_CDC_Stuff Anyone can identify this ? Jos
Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
tape reader on front seems reads 5 7 and 8 level paper tape ... but that thing on the back ??? not sure... Ed In a message dated 5/16/2018 9:13:46 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: Visited an older collector recently, and in his shed he has a strange thing, labeled CDC, that somehow looks like a drum memory, but then again not ( drum looks too small to be usefull ) The controller that goes with is a transistor based monster on countless small pluginboards. Pictures on ftp://ftp.dreesen.ch/Unknown_CDC_Stuff Anyone can identify this ? Jos
Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
On 5/16/18 9:13 AM, jos via cctalk wrote: > Anyone can identify this ? > if you look on bitsavers under cdc/catalogs M90310500_Internal_Literature_Catalog_Jul75.pdf lists several drum storage units including the models 861, 863 and 865 the controller looks a little too early to be for the BG504A the one you're trying to identify looks to be using 1604/160 series modules 39731700A_BG504A-H_Drum_Memory_CE_Manual_Jul72.pdf for the 1700
Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
http://www.oocities.org/athens/forum/8564/books/wmthesis/thesis_01.htm references the 863 being used on the CDC 3100 On 5/16/18 10:00 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > > On 5/16/18 9:13 AM, jos via cctalk wrote: > >> Anyone can identify this ? >> > > > if you look on bitsavers under cdc/catalogs > M90310500_Internal_Literature_Catalog_Jul75.pdf > > lists several drum storage units including the models 861, 863 and 865 > > the controller looks a little too early to be for the BG504A > the one you're trying to identify looks to be using 1604/160 series modules > > 39731700A_BG504A-H_Drum_Memory_CE_Manual_Jul72.pdf for the 1700 > >
Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
I will check this to see if there are any pictures http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102680349 On 5/16/18 10:04 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > http://www.oocities.org/athens/forum/8564/books/wmthesis/thesis_01.htm > references the 863 being used on the CDC 3100 > > On 5/16/18 10:00 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: >> >> >> On 5/16/18 9:13 AM, jos via cctalk wrote: >> >>> Anyone can identify this ? >>> >> >> >> if you look on bitsavers under cdc/catalogs >> M90310500_Internal_Literature_Catalog_Jul75.pdf >> >> lists several drum storage units including the models 861, 863 and 865 >> >> the controller looks a little too early to be for the BG504A >> the one you're trying to identify looks to be using 1604/160 series modules >> >> 39731700A_BG504A-H_Drum_Memory_CE_Manual_Jul72.pdf for the 1700 >> >> >
Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
OK I see there is a mix of photos in this directory! some tape reader some drum 2 separate topics. In a message dated 5/16/2018 10:04:56 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: I will check this to see if there are any pictures http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102680349 On 5/16/18 10:04 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > http://www.oocities.org/athens/forum/8564/books/wmthesis/thesis_01.htm > references the 863 being used on the CDC 3100 > > On 5/16/18 10:00 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: >> >> >> On 5/16/18 9:13 AM, jos via cctalk wrote: >> >>> Anyone can identify this ? >>> >> >> >> if you look on bitsavers under cdc/catalogs >> M90310500_Internal_Literature_Catalog_Jul75.pdf >> >> lists several drum storage units including the models 861, 863 and 865 >> >> the controller looks a little too early to be for the BG504A >> the one you're trying to identify looks to be using 1604/160 series modules >> >> 39731700A_BG504A-H_Drum_Memory_CE_Manual_Jul72.pdf for the 1700 >> >> >
Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
On 16.05.2018 19:13, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote: OK I see there is a mix of photos in this directory! some tape reader some drum 2 separate topics. My mistake, sorry, that papertape reader was of course obvious. Removed that pic. Added 4 more, that are from some frontpanel that probably is also CDC. Quite easily the most complex I have ever seen, but somehow strange. Maybe for a tester rather than a computer. I am afraid that the local situation made better fotos impossible... Thanks for your input Jos
Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
photos are fine it just took a while for the ftp to load at this end ? nice tape reader too with the multiple code reading ability! Ed# In a message dated 5/16/2018 10:43:30 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: On 16.05.2018 19:13, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote: > OK I see there is a mix of photos in this directory! > some tape reader some drum 2 separate topics. > My mistake, sorry, that papertape reader was of course obvious. Removed that pic. Added 4 more, that are from some frontpanel that probably is also CDC. Quite easily the most complex I have ever seen, but somehow strange. Maybe for a tester rather than a computer. I am afraid that the local situation made better fotos impossible... Thanks for your input Jos
Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
On 5/16/18 10:43 AM, Jos Dreesen via cctalk wrote: > Added 4 more, that are from some frontpanel that probably is also CDC. > Quite easily the most complex I have ever seen, but somehow strange. > Maybe for a tester rather than a computer. Honeywell Level 66 CP http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/multics/jpg/L66CPUL.jpg
Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
On 16.05.2018 20:00, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: Honeywell Level 66 CP http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/multics/jpg/L66CPUL.jpg That seems to be spot on... What a beast this machine was.. Jos
Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
nope for a computer ! We have some at SMECC also. things weigh a ton! In a message dated 5/16/2018 10:59:47 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: On 5/16/18 10:43 AM, Jos Dreesen via cctalk wrote: > Added 4 more, that are from some frontpanel that probably is also CDC. > Quite easily the most complex I have ever seen, but somehow strange. > Maybe for a tester rather than a computer. Honeywell Level 66 CP http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/multics/jpg/L66CPUL.jpg
Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote: OK I see there is a mix of photos in this directory! some tape reader some drum 2 separate topics. Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two junk characters at the end of every word you write. I see it in Alpine and it makes your text nearly unreadable. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
> On May 16, 2018, at 8:28 PM, geneb via cctalk wrote: > > On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote: > >> OK I see there is a mix of photos in this directory! >> some tape reader some drum 2 separate topics. >> > Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two junk > characters at the end of every word you write. I see it in Alpine and it > makes your text nearly unreadable. :) You mean "=C2=A0" ? Ed's mail has a Mime encoding "quoted-printable", not sure why. If your mail reader doesn't know how to handle Mime headers, you'd see those encoding markers as actual text rather than as the character they are supposed to represent. C2 A0 is UTF-8 for "non-breaking space" which explains why many others haven't noticed anything odd. paul
Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
never seen it... guess I will never want to use alpine? Ed# In a message dated 5/16/2018 5:48:40 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > On May 16, 2018, at 8:28 PM, geneb via cctalk wrote: > > On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote: > >> OK I see there is a mix of photos in this directory! >> some tape reader some drum 2 separate topics. >> > Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two junk > characters at the end of every word you write. I see it in Alpine and it > makes your text nearly unreadable. :) You mean "=C2=A0" ? Ed's mail has a Mime encoding "quoted-printable", not sure why. If your mail reader doesn't know how to handle Mime headers, you'd see those encoding markers as actual text rather than as the character they are supposed to represent. C2 A0 is UTF-8 for "non-breaking space" which explains why many others haven't noticed anything odd. paul
Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
I would assume there is a switch option in that mail reader that will enable or disable the reading of the chars? In a message dated 5/16/2018 5:48:40 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > On May 16, 2018, at 8:28 PM, geneb via cctalk wrote: > > On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote: > >> OK I see there is a mix of photos in this directory! >> some tape reader some drum 2 separate topics. >> > Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two junk > characters at the end of every word you write. I see it in Alpine and it > makes your text nearly unreadable. :) You mean "=C2=A0" ? Ed's mail has a Mime encoding "quoted-printable", not sure why. If your mail reader doesn't know how to handle Mime headers, you'd see those encoding markers as actual text rather than as the character they are supposed to represent. C2 A0 is UTF-8 for "non-breaking space" which explains why many others haven't noticed anything odd. paul
Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
On 05/16/2018 07:53 PM, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote: never seen it... guess I will never want to use alpine? Ed# Yup, I don't see anything odd, I use Thunderbird as my email client. Jon
Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
On 05/16/2018 11:13 AM, jos via cctalk wrote: Visited an older collector recently, and in his shed he has a strange thing, labeled CDC, that somehow looks like a drum memory, but then again not ( drum looks too small to be usefull ) The controller that goes with is a transistor based monster on countless small pluginboards. Pictures on ftp://ftp.dreesen.ch/Unknown_CDC_Stuff Yes, it is a drum, for sure. Seems to have a LOT of heads. The controller may be a regular disk controller, or can be used with both. I noticed an "on cylinder" light on the panel. But, it should be pretty easy to repurpose a disk controller to handle a head-per-track drum. Jon
Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
On Wed, 16 May 2018, geneb wrote: On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote: OK I see there is a mix of photos in this directory! some tape reader some drum 2 separate topics. Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two junk characters at the end of every word you write. I see it in Alpine and it makes your text nearly unreadable. :) I use Alpine, too, but I only see two spaces after each word, but yes, Ed has the talent to write illegible postings ;-) Christian
Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
On Wed, 16 May 2018, Paul Koning wrote: On May 16, 2018, at 8:28 PM, geneb via cctalk wrote: On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote: OK I see there is a mix of photos in this directory! some tape reader some drum 2 separate topics. Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two junk characters at the end of every word you write. I see it in Alpine and it makes your text nearly unreadable. :) You mean "=C2=A0" ? Ed's mail has a Mime encoding "quoted-printable", not sure why. If your mail reader doesn't know how to handle Mime headers, you'd see those encoding markers as actual text rather than as the character they are supposed to represent. C2 A0 is UTF-8 for "non-breaking space" which explains why many others haven't noticed anything odd. There's no rational reason to MIME encode the *body* of an email, unless of course they're using some badly written horror show that thinks HTML and embedded graphics are perfectly acceptable. (Those people tend to top-post as well, so they're basically irredeemable at that point. :) ) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
On Thu, 17 May 2018, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote: On Wed, 16 May 2018, geneb wrote: On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote: OK I see there is a mix of photos in this directory! some tape reader some drum 2 separate topics. Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two junk characters at the end of every word you write. I see it in Alpine and it makes your text nearly unreadable. :) I use Alpine, too, but I only see two spaces after each word, but yes, Ed has the talent to write illegible postings ;-) Understatement of the century. :) It varies. Sometimes it's interspersed with garbage, sometimes it's multiple spaces. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:11 AM, geneb via cctalk wrote: > On Thu, 17 May 2018, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote: > > On Wed, 16 May 2018, geneb wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote: >>> >>> OK I see there is a mix of photos in this directory! some tape reader some drum 2 separate topics. >>> Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two >>> junk characters at the end of every word you write. I see it in Alpine and >>> it makes your text nearly unreadable. :) >>> >> >> I use Alpine, too, but I only see two spaces after each word, but yes, Ed >> has the talent to write illegible postings ;-) >> > > Understatement of the century. :) It varies. Sometimes it's interspersed > with garbage, sometimes it's multiple spaces. Sometimes it's ALL CAPS. Maybe Ed has a Model 26 Teletype hooked up in lieu of his computer's keyboard? Kyle
Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
On 5/16/18 9:13 AM, jos via cctalk wrote: > Visited an older collector recently, and in his shed he has a strange thing, > labeled CDC, that somehow looks like a drum > memory, but then again not ( drum looks too small to be usefull ) > > The controller that goes with is a transistor based monster on countless > small pluginboards. > If you get back over there, try to find CDC ID tags on the drum and controller. There would normally be a model number badge somewhere on the outside. Being that there was a 350 paper tape reader, I'm guessing its for one of their smaller systems, maybe an early model 1700
Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
> On Wed, 16 May 2018, geneb wrote: >> On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote: >> >>> OK? I? see there is a? mix? of? photos in this? directory! >>> some? tape? reader? some? drum? 2? separate? topics. >>> ? >> Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two junk >> characters at the end of every word you write. I see it in Alpine and it >> makes your text nearly unreadable. :) I get the digest and see question mark characters after most words. Perhaps they will show in the above quoted message, which I copied out of the digest. Bob
Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
yep we see them but we did not type them intentionally may way to adjust your mail reader reader as they do not show up in any of the mail readers we have access to. Ed# In a message dated 5/17/2018 10:24:41 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > On Wed, 16 May 2018, geneb wrote: >> On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote: >> >>> OK? I? see there is a? mix? of? photos in this? directory! >>> some? tape? reader? some? drum? 2? separate? topics. >>> ? >> Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two junk >> characters at the end of every word you write. I see it in Alpine and it >> makes your text nearly unreadable. :) I get the digest and see question mark characters after most words. Perhaps they will show in the above quoted message, which I copied out of the digest. Bob
Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
On 05/16/2018 09:13 AM, jos via cctalk wrote: > Visited an older collector recently, and in his shed he has a strange > thing, labeled CDC, that somehow looks like a drum memory, but then > again not ( drum looks too small to be usefull ) > > The controller that goes with is a transistor based monster on > countless small pluginboards. > > Pictures on ftp://ftp.dreesen.ch/Unknown_CDC_Stuff Finally got enough patience to let the images load. Pulling a guess out of the thin air or some other place, my guess would be a CDC Digigraphics controller, which used drums for display refresh. --Chuck
Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
On Thu, 17 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote: yep we see them?? but?? ??we?? did not?? type them intentionally https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/06/13/we/ may way to adjust?? your?? mail reader reader as?? they do not?? show up in?? ??any of the?? mail readers?? we have access to. Ed#?? If your email program is crapping, it is not the responsibility of everybody else to "adjust" their mail readers to filter out the crap. This group has been remarkably tolerant of NON-ASCII content. Many already have configurations that do such filtering, and are not seeing all of the mess. Others just assume that your mail client, or your keyboard is BROKEN. Would cleaning the contacts of your space bar reduce the bounce and noise it produces? Perhaps also repair the rest of the punctuation keys, if the keyboard has any, and at least one of the shift keys. That is assuming that it is a keyboard, and not a telegraph key, nor OCR of crayon drawings. OTOH, if the keyboard in question consists of a xerox of a Timex/Sinclair, then you are to be commended for getting output that is so close to being text. "My handwriting is so bad that even my typing is illegible."
Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
wonder how many are running that version of alpine that exists errors? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Thursday, May 17, 2018 Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Thu, 17 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote: > yep we see them but we did not type them intentionally https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/06/13/we/ > may way to adjust your mail reader reader as they do not show up in any > of the mail readers we have access to. > Ed# If your email program is crapping, it is not the responsibility of everybody else to "adjust" their mail readers to filter out the crap. This group has been remarkably tolerant of NON-ASCII content. Many already have configurations that do such filtering, and are not seeing all of the mess. Others just assume that your mail client, or your keyboard is BROKEN. Would cleaning the contacts of your space bar reduce the bounce and noise it produces? Perhaps also repair the rest of the punctuation keys, if the keyboard has any, and at least one of the shift keys. That is assuming that it is a keyboard, and not a telegraph key, nor OCR of crayon drawings. OTOH, if the keyboard in question consists of a xerox of a Timex/Sinclair, then you are to be commended for getting output that is so close to being text. "My handwriting is so bad that even my typing is illegible."
Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
On Thu, 17 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote: wonder how many are running that version of alpine that exists errors? The problem isn't on the destination end, it's on the origin. Asking me to adjust my email client to fix your problem is like a noisy neighbor demanding I wear earplugs. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
On Thu, 17 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote: wonder how many are running that version of alpine that exists errors? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Are you hypothesizing that it is a specific version of Alpine that creates the extraneous characters, and produces the errors of captialization, punctuation, and inconsistent spacing? I am using PINE, and only get the errors of captialization, punctuation, and inconsistent spacing. OTOH, there are many of us with worse mispelings.
Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
OK I do know the Pine I used it at the stat of the internet with a text browser for webpages also. This back when I ran them on a slow PC that was unable to run mosaic etc etc etc. Wow flashback... and not necessarily a pleasant one! ( but those software items would run on darn near anything... Ed# In a message dated 5/17/2018 12:19:25 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: On Thu, 17 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote: > wonder how many are running that version of alpine that exists errors? > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Are you hypothesizing that it is a specific version of Alpine that creates the extraneous characters, and produces the errors of captialization, punctuation, and inconsistent spacing? I am using PINE, and only get the errors of captialization, punctuation, and inconsistent spacing. OTOH, there are many of us with worse mispelings.
Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
On May 17, 2018, at 11:47, Fred Cisin wrote: > > On Thu, 17 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote: >> yep we see them but we did not type them intentionally > > https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/06/13/we/ > >> may way to adjust your mail reader reader as they do not show up in >> any of the mail readers we have access to. >> Ed# > > If your email program is crapping, it is not the responsibility of everybody > else to "adjust" their mail readers to filter out the crap. > This group has been remarkably tolerant of NON-ASCII content. > > Many already have configurations that do such filtering, and are not seeing > all of the mess. > Others just assume that your mail client, or your keyboard is BROKEN. > Would cleaning the contacts of your space bar reduce the bounce and noise it > produces? > Perhaps also repair the rest of the punctuation keys, if the keyboard has > any, and at least one of the shift keys. > > That is assuming that it is a keyboard, and not a telegraph key, nor OCR of > crayon drawings. My guess is (and has been for a while) "dictated to Cortana". And his Cortana is sometimes hard of hearing because the mic got buried under something. We live in interesting times in which the future is here but not evenly distributed. For many modern e-mail user programs, the default character set for plain text is no longer US-ASCII or some local national variation but Unicode. And the e-mail composer works hard to notice that its user has typed a quotation mark so it can promote it into some other Unicode quotation mark (e.g. " gets turned into LEFT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK). It then gets sent as text/plain, but with UTF-8 encoding; and some but not all combinations of mail readers and display devices can show Unicode characters in UTF-8 encoding. So if you insist on reading your e-mail with a VT100 or even an HP 700/92, some e-mail is looking funny and more will; but some of the newer terminal emulators (e.g. Terminal.app on macOS) are capable of displaying Unicode from a received UTF-8 stream, and that is why reports of success with Alpine vary: people running it from a terminal that understands UTF-8 see the non-breaking space characters as blanks, while those who run it from a terminal that understands only US-ASCII see them as something else. Right at the moment I am using Apple Mail and it is one of those things that does character promotion, and sometimes I have uses for that. I think I may have fixed this message, but that fixing is a conscious effort and takes some work to retype those quotation marks and move away from them with some care, and then check again before you send because sometimes it re-scans and re-promotes. -Frank McConnell
Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
there seems to be a difference sometimes in quote in ms word and regular ascii when posting some things some places Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Thursday, May 17, 2018 Frank McConnell via cctalk wrote: On May 17, 2018, at 11:47, Fred Cisin wrote: > > On Thu, 17 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote: >> yep we see them but we did not type them intentionally > > https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/06/13/we/ > >> may way to adjust your mail reader reader as they do not show up in any of >> the mail readers we have access to. >> Ed# > > If your email program is crapping, it is not the responsibility of everybody > else to "adjust" their mail readers to filter out the crap. > This group has been remarkably tolerant of NON-ASCII content. > > Many already have configurations that do such filtering, and are not seeing > all of the mess. > Others just assume that your mail client, or your keyboard is BROKEN. > Would cleaning the contacts of your space bar reduce the bounce and noise it > produces? > Perhaps also repair the rest of the punctuation keys, if the keyboard has > any, and at least one of the shift keys. > > That is assuming that it is a keyboard, and not a telegraph key, nor OCR of > crayon drawings. My guess is (and has been for a while) "dictated to Cortana". And his Cortana is sometimes hard of hearing because the mic got buried under something. We live in interesting times in which the future is here but not evenly distributed. For many modern e-mail user programs, the default character set for plain text is no longer US-ASCII or some local national variation but Unicode. And the e-mail composer works hard to notice that its user has typed a quotation mark so it can promote it into some other Unicode quotation mark (e.g. " gets turned into LEFT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK). It then gets sent as text/plain, but with UTF-8 encoding; and some but not all combinations of mail readers and display devices can show Unicode characters in UTF-8 encoding. So if you insist on reading your e-mail with a VT100 or even an HP 700/92, some e-mail is looking funny and more will; but some of the newer terminal emulators (e.g. Terminal.app on macOS) are capable of displaying Unicode from a received UTF-8 stream, and that is why reports of success with Alpine vary: people running it from a terminal that understands UTF-8 see the non-breaking space characters as blanks, while those who run it from a terminal that understands only US-ASCII see them as something else. Right at the moment I am using Apple Mail and it is one of those things that does character promotion, and sometimes I have uses for that. I think I may have fixed this message, but that fixing is a conscious effort and takes some work to retype those quotation marks and move away from them with some care, and then check again before you send because sometimes it re-scans and re-promotes. -Frank McConnell
RE: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
2018, at 11:47, Fred Cisin wrote: > > > > On Thu, 17 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote: > >> yep we see them but we did not type them intentionally > > > > https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/06/13/we/ > > > >> may way to adjust your mail reader reader as they do not show up in any > of the mail readers we have access to. Possibly not but as a UK citizen I find that if I use £ or € then these can't be represented as "ASCII" (whatever that is) http://www.aivosto.com/vbtips/charsets-7bit.html Dave
Re: Unknown CDC unit , looks like a drum memory ?
On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 12:47 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > If your email program is crapping, it is not the responsibility of > everybody else to "adjust" their mail readers to filter out the crap. > This group has been remarkably tolerant of NON-ASCII content. > I generally agree, but at least "quoted-printable" is a _standard_ encoding, and not some totally random brokenness.