RE: Data I/O 29B
I'm confused that you couldn't find any info on these. I have a 29B with quite a few different attachments. These are about the best documented units I've seen. I probably have 3 or 4 inches of documentation (fairly sure it includes schematics), and at least 3 different versions of DOS programs that allow you to control and automate the unit. ISTR a unix one floating around as well. I know the docs include "thousands" of pinout families referenced to which chips they are for... I believe I scrounged all this from google years back. Let me know if you can't find info J -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Billy Pettit Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 7:34 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Data I/O 29B I have a small batch of Data I/O EPROM burners. Trying to test them out and ran into a nightmare. They require a pin family and size parameter. But in none of the documentation is there any mention of what these values are. There are some generic pinouts, which are almost useless because Data I/O changed the definition of several pins. Then the manual says to get your part's timing chart and compare them to 409 pages of timing charts to find the family type! Nothing is mentioned anywhere on how to calculate size parameter. There should be a chart or document somewhere that gives the parameters by model numbers like 2516, 2764, etc. Anyone know of a document like this? Anyone have experience with the model 29A&B, Model 19, Model 100 gang programmer, etc. At this point, without better data, these 11 -12 deveces are heading for the scrap pile. This is the poorest documentation I've ever seen on a piece of test equipment. Billy Pettit
Re: Data I/O 29B
On 08/21/2015 5:33 PM, Billy Pettit wrote: I have a small batch of Data I/O EPROM burners. Trying to test them out and ran into a nightmare. They require a pin family and size parameter. But in none of the documentation is there any mention of what these values are. There are some generic pinouts, which are almost useless because Data I/O changed the definition of several pins. Then the manual says to get your part's timing chart and compare them to 409 pages of timing charts to find the family type! Nothing is mentioned anywhere on how to calculate size parameter. There should be a chart or document somewhere that gives the parameters by model numbers like 2516, 2764, etc. Anyone know of a document like this? Anyone have experience with the model 29A&B, Model 19, Model 100 gang programmer, etc. At this point, without better data, these 11 -12 deveces are heading for the scrap pile. This is the poorest documentation I've ever seen on a piece of test equipment. Billy Pettit There is a good support group for these machine hosted by Alfred Morin on yahoo. To join etc, : https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Data_IO_EPROM Also, I have a bit of Data I/O stuff filed away here (not well sorted I'm afraid) from TTL - Tech Tools (mail) List: FTP site is:ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist John :-#)#
Re: Data I/O 29B
thats it. I hardly ever use the data IO unless i need to burn a bipolar prom i have anther prom programmer much newer that does everything except bipolar proms thanks rik been a while since i used it and forget the name On 8/22/2015 6:31 AM, Rik Bos wrote: > The software is pl.exe " promlink". > On the dataio yahoo group you can find the link and lots of info regarding > data io equipment. > I use it a lot for programming proms, like the HP 1000 boot proms. > > -Rik > > -Oorspronkelijk bericht- > Van: "Noel Chiappa" > Verzonden: 22-8-2015 15:17 > Aan: "cctalk@classiccmp.org" > CC: "j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu" > Onderwerp: Re: Data I/O 29B > > > From: wulfman > > > I have a modified dos program that talks to the data i/o > > its the one that they sold with the unit but only ran on a 286 > > ... > > the modified one i have works in windows 7 in a dos box > > I seem to recall that I downloaded some software to run my 29B (although I > have yet to work with it extensively), and that it did run in a DOS box under > Windows 98? Is that the '286' one you're referring to? > > If so, maybe that won't run in a DOS box under the later versions of Windows? > Or maybe I have a different program from the one you're talking about? (Or > maybe I somehow downloaded an already-fixed version?) > > > if your interested i can send it to you > > Other than running under Windows 7, does it have any other improvements? > If so, I might be interested. > > Whatever the case, if you would like someone to host it for open download, > let me know. > > Noel > -- The contents of this e-mail and any attachments are intended solely for the use of the named addressee(s) and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized use, copying, disclosure, or distribution of the contents of this e-mail is strictly prohibited by the sender and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail.
RE: Data I/O 29B
The software is pl.exe " promlink". On the dataio yahoo group you can find the link and lots of info regarding data io equipment. I use it a lot for programming proms, like the HP 1000 boot proms. -Rik -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: "Noel Chiappa" Verzonden: 22-8-2015 15:17 Aan: "cctalk@classiccmp.org" CC: "j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu" Onderwerp: Re: Data I/O 29B > From: wulfman > I have a modified dos program that talks to the data i/o > its the one that they sold with the unit but only ran on a 286 > ... > the modified one i have works in windows 7 in a dos box I seem to recall that I downloaded some software to run my 29B (although I have yet to work with it extensively), and that it did run in a DOS box under Windows 98? Is that the '286' one you're referring to? If so, maybe that won't run in a DOS box under the later versions of Windows? Or maybe I have a different program from the one you're talking about? (Or maybe I somehow downloaded an already-fixed version?) > if your interested i can send it to you Other than running under Windows 7, does it have any other improvements? If so, I might be interested. Whatever the case, if you would like someone to host it for open download, let me know. Noel
Re: Data I/O 29B
> From: wulfman > I have a modified dos program that talks to the data i/o > its the one that they sold with the unit but only ran on a 286 > ... > the modified one i have works in windows 7 in a dos box I seem to recall that I downloaded some software to run my 29B (although I have yet to work with it extensively), and that it did run in a DOS box under Windows 98? Is that the '286' one you're referring to? If so, maybe that won't run in a DOS box under the later versions of Windows? Or maybe I have a different program from the one you're talking about? (Or maybe I somehow downloaded an already-fixed version?) > if your interested i can send it to you Other than running under Windows 7, does it have any other improvements? If so, I might be interested. Whatever the case, if you would like someone to host it for open download, let me know. Noel
RE: Data I/O 29B
Hi Jim,
Data I/O flew down to Texas every month, for sales meetings, we were doing a
huge business for them. We would make joint calls and I remember that our field
stuff was always updated as part of the trip. All our demo units had these
cool small suitcase, foam lined cases. The FAE would go thru our stuff and
make sure we were current.
There were always new chips to support for the Unipak, and they wanted to make
sure that as we went on calls we never got stuck, as we were doing so well with
the product. My rep firm, USDATA was Texas, Oklahoma, and Louisiana for the
product. I never recall us going to visit Hamilton or Avenet, (AKA Hamilton
Havenot!) I think they took those sales direct. We were calling on TI, NASA,
Datapoint, and the petrochem guys.
Jim, Did you know these guys? I recall Dennis (sales mgr) and Marty (FAE)?
We had excellent support from these people as we were also users. Our product
line ('78-'82 timeframe) was all the top computer graphics, and we constantly
had to update PROMS, EPROMS for the rest of our stuff:
Jupiter and AED graphics terminals;
Printronix and Trilog color printers;
Compucolor 8080 color computers;
Matrix film recorders;
Grinell image processor engine;
I remember after a day of Houston sales calls with them, I am driving them back
to the airport. We did not have lunch that day, so I stop at a tamale truck
and hand these guys a sack of tamales. Front seat is loaded with demo equip,
so they are sitting in the back. "Ever had a tamale?" I ask. "These are
great!"
I look in the rear view, and they are eating them, corn husks and all...
Back to Redmond, WA for these guys.
Now that is sales support!
Randy
> Subject: Re: Data I/O 29B
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> From: j...@jwsss.com
> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 22:24:45 -0700
>
> At microdata we had a support contract with Data I/O and every set of
> roms for the base unit and the Unipak came with a new poster up to date
> with the latest parts from the manufacturers.
>
> So you don't need to just get a poster or table or list, but you also
> need to match it to the firmware set in your 29xx.
>
> I grabbed a stack of the posters at one time which were old and have
> them somewhere. I'm not sure what would have happened to them at heavy
> user sites, but I know such as the local Avnet, and Hamilton offices
> which we mooched programming time from after I left Microdata had quite
> a few. I don't know if they got as many updates as Microdata did.
>
> Randy, did you know of such a program? The program I'm talking with may
> have gone around rep firms, as Microdata was using the crap out of a lot
> of different roms, and then eproms. Of course if you blew up a rom in
> the Data I/O the manufacturers also warrantied them back pretty much w/o
> any question, or someone came out to find out what you were doing wrong.
>
> Thanks
> Jim
>
> On 8/21/2015 8:05 PM, Randy Dawson wrote:
> > Something must be wrong here, the 29B/unipak is very easy to use.
> > I was the rep in Houston (USDATA) and I must have sold 50 of these. It
> > went for $4500 with the unipak.
> >
> > A typical demo we would plug in a dumb terminal, its a lot more effective
> > demo to select a device than from the keypad.
> >
> > One of these I sold to Gateway Technologies, Rod Canion. The demo and sale
> > went down at a pancake house on the Southwest Freeway.
> > They used it to suck the BIOS out of the IBM PC, and form Compaq Computer.
> >
> > Randy
> >
> >> Subject: Re: Data I/O 29B
> >> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> >> From: a...@bitsavers.org
> >> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 18:45:12 -0700
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/21/15 5:33 PM, Billy Pettit wrote:
> >>> This is the poorest documentation I've ever seen on a piece of test
> >>> equipment.
> >>>
> >> The problem is they went through at least three generations of
> >> programming packs (individual device, unipak, unipack2/2A/2B)
> >>
> >> There is a text file (unipak2.txt) that I sent you that lists
> >> about 1000 devices along with the family and pin adapter.
> >>
> >> I gave up on anything earlier than the 2900/3900/Unisite a LONG
> >> time ago. I'd just offer them to people in the bay area and not
> >> even bother testing them. I should have the docs on bitsavers for
> >> them.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: Data I/O 29B
At microdata we had a support contract with Data I/O and every set of roms for the base unit and the Unipak came with a new poster up to date with the latest parts from the manufacturers. So you don't need to just get a poster or table or list, but you also need to match it to the firmware set in your 29xx. I grabbed a stack of the posters at one time which were old and have them somewhere. I'm not sure what would have happened to them at heavy user sites, but I know such as the local Avnet, and Hamilton offices which we mooched programming time from after I left Microdata had quite a few. I don't know if they got as many updates as Microdata did. Randy, did you know of such a program? The program I'm talking with may have gone around rep firms, as Microdata was using the crap out of a lot of different roms, and then eproms. Of course if you blew up a rom in the Data I/O the manufacturers also warrantied them back pretty much w/o any question, or someone came out to find out what you were doing wrong. Thanks Jim On 8/21/2015 8:05 PM, Randy Dawson wrote: Something must be wrong here, the 29B/unipak is very easy to use. I was the rep in Houston (USDATA) and I must have sold 50 of these. It went for $4500 with the unipak. A typical demo we would plug in a dumb terminal, its a lot more effective demo to select a device than from the keypad. One of these I sold to Gateway Technologies, Rod Canion. The demo and sale went down at a pancake house on the Southwest Freeway. They used it to suck the BIOS out of the IBM PC, and form Compaq Computer. Randy Subject: Re: Data I/O 29B To: cctalk@classiccmp.org From: a...@bitsavers.org Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 18:45:12 -0700 On 8/21/15 5:33 PM, Billy Pettit wrote: This is the poorest documentation I've ever seen on a piece of test equipment. The problem is they went through at least three generations of programming packs (individual device, unipak, unipack2/2A/2B) There is a text file (unipak2.txt) that I sent you that lists about 1000 devices along with the family and pin adapter. I gave up on anything earlier than the 2900/3900/Unisite a LONG time ago. I'd just offer them to people in the bay area and not even bother testing them. I should have the docs on bitsavers for them.
Re: Data I/O 29B
I have a modified dos program that talks to the data i/o its the one that they sold with the unit but only ran on a 286 or lower system the modified one i have works in windows 7 in a dos box not tried it on a win8 or 10 system but i dont see why it would not work if your interested i can send it to you On 8/21/2015 8:05 PM, Randy Dawson wrote: > Something must be wrong here, the 29B/unipak is very easy to use. > I was the rep in Houston (USDATA) and I must have sold 50 of these. It went > for $4500 with the unipak. > > A typical demo we would plug in a dumb terminal, its a lot more effective > demo to select a device than from the keypad. > > One of these I sold to Gateway Technologies, Rod Canion. The demo and sale > went down at a pancake house on the Southwest Freeway. > They used it to suck the BIOS out of the IBM PC, and form Compaq Computer. > > Randy > >> Subject: Re: Data I/O 29B >> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org >> From: a...@bitsavers.org >> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 18:45:12 -0700 >> >> >> >> On 8/21/15 5:33 PM, Billy Pettit wrote: >>> This is the poorest documentation I've ever seen on a piece of test >>> equipment. >>> >> The problem is they went through at least three generations of >> programming packs (individual device, unipak, unipack2/2A/2B) >> >> There is a text file (unipak2.txt) that I sent you that lists >> about 1000 devices along with the family and pin adapter. >> >> I gave up on anything earlier than the 2900/3900/Unisite a LONG >> time ago. I'd just offer them to people in the bay area and not >> even bother testing them. I should have the docs on bitsavers for >> them. >> > -- The contents of this e-mail and any attachments are intended solely for the use of the named addressee(s) and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized use, copying, disclosure, or distribution of the contents of this e-mail is strictly prohibited by the sender and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail.
RE: Data I/O 29B
Something must be wrong here, the 29B/unipak is very easy to use. I was the rep in Houston (USDATA) and I must have sold 50 of these. It went for $4500 with the unipak. A typical demo we would plug in a dumb terminal, its a lot more effective demo to select a device than from the keypad. One of these I sold to Gateway Technologies, Rod Canion. The demo and sale went down at a pancake house on the Southwest Freeway. They used it to suck the BIOS out of the IBM PC, and form Compaq Computer. Randy > Subject: Re: Data I/O 29B > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > From: a...@bitsavers.org > Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 18:45:12 -0700 > > > > On 8/21/15 5:33 PM, Billy Pettit wrote: > > This is the poorest documentation I've ever seen on a piece of test > > equipment. > > > > The problem is they went through at least three generations of > programming packs (individual device, unipak, unipack2/2A/2B) > > There is a text file (unipak2.txt) that I sent you that lists > about 1000 devices along with the family and pin adapter. > > I gave up on anything earlier than the 2900/3900/Unisite a LONG > time ago. I'd just offer them to people in the bay area and not > even bother testing them. I should have the docs on bitsavers for > them. >
Re: Data I/O 29B
On 8/21/15 5:33 PM, Billy Pettit wrote: This is the poorest documentation I've ever seen on a piece of test equipment. The problem is they went through at least three generations of programming packs (individual device, unipak, unipack2/2A/2B) There is a text file (unipak2.txt) that I sent you that lists about 1000 devices along with the family and pin adapter. I gave up on anything earlier than the 2900/3900/Unisite a LONG time ago. I'd just offer them to people in the bay area and not even bother testing them. I should have the docs on bitsavers for them.
Re: Data I/O 29B
i got a few of them and have the data somewhere i will try to dig it up and send u off list On 8/21/2015 5:33 PM, Billy Pettit wrote: > I have a small batch of Data I/O EPROM burners. Trying to test them out and > ran into a nightmare. They require a pin family and size parameter. But in > none of the documentation is there any mention of what these values are. > There are some generic pinouts, which are almost useless because Data I/O > changed the definition of several pins. > > Then the manual says to get your part's timing chart and compare them to 409 > pages of timing charts to find the family type! Nothing is mentioned > anywhere on how to calculate size parameter. > > There should be a chart or document somewhere that gives the parameters by > model numbers like 2516, 2764, etc. > > Anyone know of a document like this? > > Anyone have experience with the model 29A&B, Model 19, Model 100 gang > programmer, etc. > > At this point, without better data, these 11 -12 deveces are heading for the > scrap pile. This is the poorest documentation I've ever seen on a piece of > test equipment. > > Billy Pettit > > -- The contents of this e-mail and any attachments are intended solely for the use of the named addressee(s) and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized use, copying, disclosure, or distribution of the contents of this e-mail is strictly prohibited by the sender and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail.
