Re: UniSys ClearPath OS/2200 Express?
On 8/18/2020 10:58 AM, Kevin Monceaux via cctalk wrote: > > The first emulator is web based, and the second fails to build. I'm not a > fan of web interfaces. Are there any other B5500 emulators and/or software > that Bing missed? > > This post might also be informative: http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/pipermail/simh/2016-January/014478.html Which refers to https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!forum/retro-b5500 Which seems to be pretty active You might try Unite to contact Sid: https://unite.org/wp/members/smcharg/
Re: UniSys ClearPath OS/2200 Express?
On 8/18/2020 10:58 AM, Kevin Monceaux via cctalk wrote: On 8/18/2020 10:58 AM, Kevin Monceaux via cctalk wrote:> Jay, > > On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 08:46:37PM -0500, Jay Jaeger via cctalk wrote: > >> There are a couple of B5500 emulators out there. One I have worked with >> is pretty much fully functional, but I believe there are more than one. >> B5500 System Tapes are also available online. Contact me if you need >> links - might take me a few minutes to hunt them down. > > I'm an emulator addict, so I'd definitely be interested in checking out the > available emulators. Bing found: > > https://GitHub.com/pkimpel/retro-b5500/ > > and > > https://GitHub.com/stacklover/b5500emulator > Did you try contacting that particular author? His github info indicates it should run under Cygwin on Windows or Linux. > The first lead me to the software available at: > > http://www.PHKimpel.us/B5500/webSite/SoftwareRequest.html > > and > > https://GitHub.com/retro-software/B5500-software > > The first emulator is web based, and the second fails to build. I'm not a > fan of web interfaces. Are there any other B5500 emulators and/or software > that Bing missed? > https://github.com/smcharg/B5500 is the one that I have used - helped a tiny bit with identifying some issues using extended Algol code I wrote in 1969. The repository is private, however, and I don't see an email address for him on Github. I'm not comfortable sharing his contact info without his permission. Software, recovered by my buddy Paul Pierce (or is at least available from his website) http://www.piercefuller.com/library/magtape7.html?id=magtape7
Re: UniSys ClearPath OS/2200 Express?
Kevin Monceaux wrote: > The first emulator is web based, and the second fails to build. I'm > not a fan of web interfaces. Are there any other B5500 emulators > and/or software that Bing missed? Richard Cornwell added one to SIMH: https://github.com/simh/simh/tree/master/B5500
Re: UniSys ClearPath OS/2200 Express?
Jay, On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 08:46:37PM -0500, Jay Jaeger via cctalk wrote: > There are a couple of B5500 emulators out there. One I have worked with > is pretty much fully functional, but I believe there are more than one. > B5500 System Tapes are also available online. Contact me if you need > links - might take me a few minutes to hunt them down. I'm an emulator addict, so I'd definitely be interested in checking out the available emulators. Bing found: https://GitHub.com/pkimpel/retro-b5500/ and https://GitHub.com/stacklover/b5500emulator The first lead me to the software available at: http://www.PHKimpel.us/B5500/webSite/SoftwareRequest.html and https://GitHub.com/retro-software/B5500-software The first emulator is web based, and the second fails to build. I'm not a fan of web interfaces. Are there any other B5500 emulators and/or software that Bing missed? -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.Lassie.xyz http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
Re: UniSys ClearPath OS/2200 Express?
On 7/1/2020 12:23 PM, Kevin Monceaux via cctalk wrote: > On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 09:17:47AM -0400, Michael Kerpan via cctalk wrote: > >> This thread has been truly enlightening. I had no idea that UniSys had >> hobbyist versions of both their Univac and Burroughs stuff available. > > I'm very happy to find that MCP Express is available to hobbyists. I > currently know very little about Burroughs mainframes. I've searched > several times in the past for Burroughs emulators. > > I found a nice series of blog posts on getting started with MCP Express: > > https://Unite.org/wp/getting-started-with-mcp-express/ > > I read most of the posts last night, and received my MCP Express download > link this morning. I'll download and install it as soon as I get home this > evening. > > There are a couple of B5500 emulators out there. One I have worked with is pretty much fully functional, but I believe there are more than one. B5500 System Tapes are also available online. Contact me if you need links - might take me a few minutes to hunt them down. JRJ
Re: UniSys ClearPath OS/2200 Express?
> > I really liked MASM and PLUS. > I remember two ERs, ADED$ and SMOQUE$. With the latter I was able to move my > print out to the top of the queue 😊 > IIRC, with ADED$ you could assign (and lock) a CPU to your program. A silly > mistake in my MASM program “ate” all three CPUs of the 1100/63. Everything > froze, and even on the console in the computer room response was extremely > slow. $! had no immediate effect! > > Those were the days! I think I will try to get 2200 running, but I am afraid > I forgot most of it (if not all), it’s been over 20 years. > > Henk > I had a chance to play with PLUS while I was a student at U. Wisconsin. It was for an independent study course, using a new EXEC the sysprogs had written to provide access to the batch job queue. Managed to crash the 1108 (or maybe it was the 1110) twice in a row owing to a bug in their EXEC. ;) Later they adapted (or completely rewrote) it, and had the job queue displayed on TV screens down in the basement of the Computer Science building in Madison. JRJ
Re: UniSys ClearPath OS/2200 Express?
Bill, did you ever cross paths with Dan Nissen or Karen Nissen? Friends from U. Wisconsin (and Karen also worked at WisDOT for a while after I started there, before they both went off to MPLS.) JRJ On 6/30/2020 8:05 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > On 6/30/20 6:29 PM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: >> Why would one get OS/2200 when they can get >> https://www.unisys.com/offerings/clearpath-forward/clearpath-forward-products/clearpath-mcp-software/clearpath-mcp-express >> ? >> > > Because I very much enjoyed working on Exec-8 on the 1100 lo those > 40 years ago. :-) > > bill
Re: Unisys MCP (was: Re: UniSys ClearPath OS/2200 Express?)
On Thu, Jul 02, 2020 at 01:41:53PM -0700, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: > I have never had Windows stop working despite not activating it and have > gone at least 6 months without doing so. Despite now working for MS, I > don't know the ins and outs of Windows activation. (I work on embedded > Linux there.) The Windows 7 VM I've been using to run MCP Express hasn't stopped working, but it recently started telling me I need to register to regain full functionality. I haven't figured out what functionality has been limited yet. Its desktop now has a black background with "Unregistered Version" in the lower right hand corner. Has anyone managed to get MCP Express running with Wine on Linux? I've heard of people getting OS/2200 Express running under Wine, but it doesn't have the Windows services MCP Express does. I might consider registering a copy of Windows to run under VirtualBox if Microsoft would stop trying to make the user interface look worse with each new version. I don't mind Windows 7, but newer versions look absolutely horrid. Even the new Office 365 on my Windows 7 PC at work looks terrible. -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.Lassie.xyz http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
Re: Unisys MCP (was: Re: UniSys ClearPath OS/2200 Express?)
Alan, On Thu, Jul 02, 2020 at 01:41:53PM -0700, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: > I have never had Windows stop working despite not activating it and have > gone at least 6 months without doing so. That's encouraging. > I have been using those blogs to remind myself of how it all work. As someone new to MCP they've been a big help. This morning I started reading through the system operations guide, 86000387-512. Some concepts are going to take some getting used to. MCP physical and logical files are a bit different than AS/400 physical and logical files. Also, according to the system operations guide, a CD-ROM is a magnetized disk. I thought all CD-ROMs were optical disks. > I did my day-to-day work with CANDE (Command AND Editor) and with MCP > Express one get to that through MARC. However, when I run the MARC > script, the Windows VM crashes. This blog post: https://Unite.org/wp/tuning-the-mcp-express-installation/ says that other terminal emulators can be used to access the communications interfaces, including MARC and CANDE. Does anyone know how? I've tried connecting with PuTTY to the standard telnet port and the port the included MARC terminal shortcut uses to no avail. -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.Lassie.xyz http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
Re: Unisys MCP (was: Re: UniSys ClearPath OS/2200 Express?)
On 7/2/20 1:05 PM, Kevin Monceaux via cctalk wrote: Alan, On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 08:00:00PM -0700, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: Got it installed and running on a Windows 10 VM on my MacBook. Pretty interesting, but I haven't used MCP since '89 and seldom used the ODT (console) on A Series systems when I did, so lots of trying to recall how to do stuff. I got it installed and running on a Windows 7 VM on my 2009 Mac last night. I've never used MCP before, so there's been lots of reading trying to learn how to do stuff. I didn't have much time to work with it last night, so I haven't gotten very far yet. Has anyone attempted to run MCP Express under Wine on Linux? I don't know how long I'll be able to use the VM I currently have it running on. I don't have a Windows license key for it. I have never had Windows stop working despite not activating it and have gone at least 6 months without doing so. Despite now working for MS, I don't know the ins and outs of Windows activation. (I work on embedded Linux there.) I have been using those blogs to remind myself of how it all work. I worked on products where PCs (ET2000 PC compatibles and B2x BTOS systems) interacted with mainframes. Now the joys of block mode terminals are coming back to me. I did my day-to-day work with CANDE (Command AND Editor) and with MCP Express one get to that through MARC. However, when I run the MARC script, the Windows VM crashes. alan
Re: Unisys MCP (was: Re: UniSys ClearPath OS/2200 Express?)
Alan, On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 08:00:00PM -0700, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: > Got it installed and running on a Windows 10 VM on my MacBook. Pretty > interesting, but I haven't used MCP since '89 and seldom used the ODT > (console) on A Series systems when I did, so lots of trying to recall > how to do stuff. I got it installed and running on a Windows 7 VM on my 2009 Mac last night. I've never used MCP before, so there's been lots of reading trying to learn how to do stuff. I didn't have much time to work with it last night, so I haven't gotten very far yet. Has anyone attempted to run MCP Express under Wine on Linux? I don't know how long I'll be able to use the VM I currently have it running on. I don't have a Windows license key for it. -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.Lassie.xyz http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
Re: Unisys MCP (was: Re: UniSys ClearPath OS/2200 Express?)
On 7/1/20 12:33 PM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: On 01/07/2020 19:26, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: I submitted the form last night and got the download link about 8am Pacific time this morning. The download was 2.66G. I haven't installed it yet. alan "The software license expires on July 31st of each calendar year and must be renewed by re-registering with Unisys and then downloading and installing a new package." Maybe I'll wait a few weeks before requesting a licence? Got it installed and running on a Windows 10 VM on my MacBook. Pretty interesting, but I haven't used MCP since '89 and seldom used the ODT (console) on A Series systems when I did, so lots of trying to recall how to do stuff. The disk image and machine config file are stored separately from ClearPath MCP Express, so I should be able to just point the new package to it when renewal time comes up. alan
Re: Unisys MCP (was: Re: UniSys ClearPath OS/2200 Express?)
On 01/07/2020 19:26, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: I submitted the form last night and got the download link about 8am Pacific time this morning. The download was 2.66G. I haven't installed it yet. alan "The software license expires on July 31st of each calendar year and must be renewed by re-registering with Unisys and then downloading and installing a new package." Maybe I'll wait a few weeks before requesting a licence? Antonio -- Antonio Carlini anto...@acarlini.com
Re: Unisys MCP (was: Re: UniSys ClearPath OS/2200 Express?)
On 7/1/20 11:09 AM, Stan Sieler via cctalk wrote: i> From: Alan Perry Why would one get OS/2200 when they can get https://www.unisys.com/offerings/clearpath-forward/clearpath-forward-products/clearpath-mcp-software/clearpath-mcp-express ? thanks! As an old MCP user/developer (although outside the lab), that's really interesting to me! Note: you have to register to get the software. That's apparently done by clicking on "Downloads". Then you're presented with a registration form. After submitting it, you're told you'll receive an email. Don't hold your breath. It's been 20 minutes, and no email from Unisys :( (And, no email --> no download) I submitted the form last night and got the download link about 8am Pacific time this morning. The download was 2.66G. I haven't installed it yet. alan
Unisys MCP (was: Re: UniSys ClearPath OS/2200 Express?)
i> From: Alan Perry > Why would one get OS/2200 when they can get > https://www.unisys.com/offerings/clearpath-forward/clearpath-forward-products/clearpath-mcp-software/clearpath-mcp-express > ? thanks! As an old MCP user/developer (although outside the lab), that's really interesting to me! Note: you have to register to get the software. That's apparently done by clicking on "Downloads". Then you're presented with a registration form. After submitting it, you're told you'll receive an email. Don't hold your breath. It's been 20 minutes, and no email from Unisys :( (And, no email --> no download) Stan
Re: UniSys ClearPath OS/2200 Express?
On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 09:17:47AM -0400, Michael Kerpan via cctalk wrote: > This thread has been truly enlightening. I had no idea that UniSys had > hobbyist versions of both their Univac and Burroughs stuff available. I'm very happy to find that MCP Express is available to hobbyists. I currently know very little about Burroughs mainframes. I've searched several times in the past for Burroughs emulators. I found a nice series of blog posts on getting started with MCP Express: https://Unite.org/wp/getting-started-with-mcp-express/ I read most of the posts last night, and received my MCP Express download link this morning. I'll download and install it as soon as I get home this evening. -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.Lassie.xyz http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
Re: UniSys ClearPath OS/2200 Express?
> On Jul 1, 2020, at 06:59, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: > > I doubt it is for hobbyists. I think it is to get people to look at it for > the upsell opportunity. I will take back some of what I just wrote. While I was typing this I received the download link email and it included this: Students, teachers, hobbyists and ClearPath enthusiasts can use it for non-production evaluation, personal or educational purposes to explore and practice developing and testing ClearPath MCP- based applications. Existing ClearPath MCP users can similarly use it to expand their knowledge of the ClearPath MCP environment.
Re: UniSys ClearPath OS/2200 Express?
I doubt it is for hobbyists. I think it is to get people to look at it for the upsell opportunity. And why are people writing ‘UniSys’? Speaking as someone who was there during the merger, it is ‘Unisys’. alan > On Jul 1, 2020, at 06:18, Michael Kerpan via cctalk > wrote: > > This thread has been truly enlightening. I had no idea that UniSys had > hobbyist versions of both their Univac and Burroughs stuff available. I doubt it is for hobbyists. I think it is for the upsell opportunity. I sent in my And why are people writing ‘UniSys’? It is ‘Unisys’. alan > I'll > have to give them both a try. Is there any software out there for them or > is the general idea that you're supposed to write your own? > > Mike
Re: UniSys ClearPath OS/2200 Express?
This thread has been truly enlightening. I had no idea that UniSys had hobbyist versions of both their Univac and Burroughs stuff available. I'll have to give them both a try. Is there any software out there for them or is the general idea that you're supposed to write your own? Mike
RE: UniSys ClearPath OS/2200 Express?
Van: Bill Gunshannon via cctalk<mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org> Verzonden: woensdag 1 juli 2020 03:05 Aan: cctalk@classiccmp.org<mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org> Onderwerp: Re: UniSys ClearPath OS/2200 Express? On 6/30/20 6:29 PM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: > Why would one get OS/2200 when they can get > https://www.unisys.com/offerings/clearpath-forward/clearpath-forward-products/clearpath-mcp-software/clearpath-mcp-express > ? > Because I very much enjoyed working on Exec-8 on the 1100 lo those 40 years ago. :-) bill I always wanted “something” at home to remind me of my days when working with EXEC 37R5 (IIRC, 1991-1999 time frame). Back then I could read the panic dump listing, a stack of 3 inches thick paper only containng 36-bit octal words, and find which program (or user) caused EXEC to crash. The joke was “let’s find the 8”. I did EXEC, Videotex, DMS-1000, and MAPPER. For EXEC and MAPPER I had the SPERRY “internals” course. I really liked MASM and PLUS. I remember two ERs, ADED$ and SMOQUE$. With the latter I was able to move my print out to the top of the queue 😊 IIRC, with ADED$ you could assign (and lock) a CPU to your program. A silly mistake in my MASM program “ate” all three CPUs of the 1100/63. Everything froze, and even on the console in the computer room response was extremely slow. $! had no immediate effect! Those were the days! I think I will try to get 2200 running, but I am afraid I forgot most of it (if not all), it’s been over 20 years. Henk
Re: UniSys ClearPath OS/2200 Express?
On 6/30/20 6:29 PM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: Why would one get OS/2200 when they can get https://www.unisys.com/offerings/clearpath-forward/clearpath-forward-products/clearpath-mcp-software/clearpath-mcp-express ? Because I very much enjoyed working on Exec-8 on the 1100 lo those 40 years ago. :-) bill
Re: UniSys ClearPath OS/2200 Express?
On 6/30/20 4:32 PM, Kevin Monceaux via cctalk wrote: Alan, On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 03:29:31PM -0700, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: Why would one get OS/2200 when they can get https://www.unisys.com/offerings/clearpath-forward/clearpath-forward-products/clearpath-mcp-software/clearpath-mcp-express ? OK, I may be a little biased since my first job out of college was working at Burroughs on MCP. I don't remember how I stumbled across the OS/2200 Express download option. I hadn't found the MCP Express download option. Now that you've pointed it out, my download request has been submitted. Hello, my name is Kevin, and I'm a mainframe emulator/mainframe OS addict. :-) Since I worked on the Burroughs stuff, I keep up with what Unisys has done with it over the years. When I saw that the 2200 stuff was available for free, I figured that the MCP stuff would be as well. Actually I wasn't so interested in MCP, but I liked the stack architecture and programming in NEWP (aside from the all caps syntax). I missed the good old says when the MCP source code told the illicit story of George and Sophia. alan
Re: UniSys ClearPath OS/2200 Express?
Alan, On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 03:29:31PM -0700, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: > Why would one get OS/2200 when they can get > https://www.unisys.com/offerings/clearpath-forward/clearpath-forward-products/clearpath-mcp-software/clearpath-mcp-express > ? > > OK, I may be a little biased since my first job out of college was working at > Burroughs on MCP. I don't remember how I stumbled across the OS/2200 Express download option. I hadn't found the MCP Express download option. Now that you've pointed it out, my download request has been submitted. Hello, my name is Kevin, and I'm a mainframe emulator/mainframe OS addict. :-) -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.Lassie.xyz http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
Re: UniSys ClearPath OS/2200 Express?
Why would one get OS/2200 when they can get https://www.unisys.com/offerings/clearpath-forward/clearpath-forward-products/clearpath-mcp-software/clearpath-mcp-express ? OK, I may be a little biased since my first job out of college was working at Burroughs on MCP. alan > On Jun 30, 2020, at 11:41, Kevin Monceaux via cctech > wrote: > > Classic Computer Fans, > > Technically this isn't a classic OS, but I suspect its lineage goes back far > enough to be of interest. Has anyone tried out UniSys ClearPath OS/2200 > Express? > > > https://www.UniSys.com/offerings/clearpath-forward/clearpath-forward-products/clearpath-os-2200-software/clearpath-os-2200-express > > I normally don't run Windows at home, but have set up a Windows 7 VM to try > it out. It includes a few PDFs, including basic startup and shutdown > procedures. I haven't found any intro to OS/2200 type docs yet. If anyone > knows of any, please let me know. It looks like it could be an interesting > system, if I can ever learn my way around. > > > > > > -- > > Kevin > http://www.RawFedDogs.net > http://www.Lassie.xyz > http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org > Bruceville, TX > > What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! > Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
Re: UniSys ClearPath OS/2200 Express?
Bill, On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 04:26:52PM -0400, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > Technically, I think it kinda qualifies. I was an old Univac-1100 > running Exec-8 programmer and I have already been told on more than > one occasion that my experience is totally up to date on the 2200. That's good. > I am running it just fine under Wine on Ubuntu. I'll have to give Wine a try. I don't know how long I'll be able to use the Windows 7 VM without a license key. > I don't remember there being anything like that even in the days of > the 1100. There were Univac Education Courses but nothing in the > general press. It is different, at least at the ECL vs. JCL level. After posting I found the Exec System Software Operations Manual: https://Public.Support.UniSys.com/2200/docs/CP17.0/PDF/78310281-032.pdf which has some introductory information on console keyins, etc. I think it'll help me get familiar with some of the OS basics, command parameter formats, etc. I was an IBM operator for a couple of decades, so learning console commands is right up my alley. -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.Lassie.xyz http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
Re: UniSys ClearPath OS/2200 Express?
On 6/30/20 2:27 PM, Kevin Monceaux via cctalk wrote: Classic Computer Fans, Technically this isn't a classic OS, but I suspect its lineage goes back far enough to be of interest. Has anyone tried out UniSys ClearPath OS/2200 Express? Technically, I think it kinda qualifies. I was an old Univac-1100 running Exec-8 programmer and I have already been told on more than one occasion that my experience is totally up to date on the 2200. https://www.UniSys.com/offerings/clearpath-forward/clearpath-forward-products/clearpath-os-2200-software/clearpath-os-2200-express I normally don't run Windows at home, but have set up a Windows 7 VM to try it out. I am running it just fine under Wine on Ubuntu. It includes a few PDFs, including basic startup and shutdown procedures. I haven't found any intro to OS/2200 type docs yet. I don't remember there being anything like that even in the days of the 1100. There were Univac Education Courses but nothing in the general press. It is different, at least at the ECL vs. JCL level. If anyone knows of any, please let me know. It looks like it could be an interesting system, if I can ever learn my way around. Last I looked Unisys had all their docs online. I never looked for any of the training manuals. I enjoyed working on them and tried to get back into it a number of years ago. The IRS is a big 1100/2200 shop. I came out of the process "with the highest rating" but a typical government fiasco hiring freeze over budget caused them to select no one and I never really tried again. bill
