Re: Were C64's used in editing video like the Amigas - also need Amiga keyboard?

[Syd Bolton]

The video flyer used external scsi storage for content I believe,
kind of a separate computer inside the Amiga?


It was just an expansion card--controlled by the computer, and yes 
because you usually needed some much storage (typical drives back then 
were only 9GB for the fast ones) you had to get a "tower" to chain a 
bunch of SCSI drives together.

But it was definitely not a separate computer.

Re: Were C64's used in editing video like the Amigas - also need Amiga keyboard?

[ethan]

The video flyer used external scsi storage for content I believe, kind of 
a separate computer inside the Amiga?




Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 21:38:26 -0500
From: Syd Bolton 
Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts" 
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts" 
Subject: Re: Were C64's used in editing video like the Amigas - also need
Amiga [UTF-8] keyboard?

No, C64's were too limited (8-bit) to do anything video related.

However, video production was actually possible with the Amiga 1000 as you 
could get the Amiga 1300 Genlock, and the Amiga itself always natively 
produced composite video real true non-linear editing with the computer 
itself however was really only done with the Toaster Flyer unit (the Video 
Toaster itself just produced video effects/titling and came bundled with 
LightWave 3D).


I used to be a Commodore dealer, and the NewTek (Video Toaster) distributor 
in Canada, so if you need any info hit me up!



Syd Bolton
Personal Computer Museum
http://www.pcmuseum.ca


On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 16:14:19 -0500, couryho...@aol.com wrote:

Were C64's used in editing video like the Amigas - also need Amiga
keyboard?

Were Commodore 64's used  in editing video  like the Amigas  were  to any
extent?

Looking to  figure if there is an overlap  area in  yet  another  area of
our  displays  we can do betweencomputing and   video production.

We have a Amiga, 2000 desk top type,  with a video toaster in it that
needs a keyboard  and factory mouse!
Can anyone  help?
Thanks Ed#  _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)





--
Ethan O'Toole

Re: Were C64's used in editing video like the Amigas - also need Amiga keyboard?

[Syd Bolton]

No, C64's were too limited (8-bit) to do anything video related.

However, video production was actually possible with the Amiga 1000 as 
you could get the Amiga 1300 Genlock, and the Amiga itself always 
natively produced composite video real true non-linear editing with 
the computer itself however was really only done with the Toaster Flyer 
unit (the Video Toaster itself just produced video effects/titling and 
came bundled with LightWave 3D).


I used to be a Commodore dealer, and the NewTek (Video Toaster) 
distributor in Canada, so if you need any info hit me up!



Syd Bolton
Personal Computer Museum
http://www.pcmuseum.ca


On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 16:14:19 -0500, couryho...@aol.com wrote:

Were C64's used in editing video like the Amigas - also need Amiga
keyboard?

Were Commodore 64's used  in editing video  like the Amigas  were  to 
any

extent?

Looking to  figure if there is an overlap  area in  yet  another  
area of

our  displays  we can do betweencomputing and   video production.

We have a Amiga, 2000 desk top type,  with a video toaster in it that
needs a keyboard  and factory mouse!
Can anyone  help?
Thanks Ed#  _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)

Re: Were C64's used in editing video like the Amigas - also need Amiga [keyboard?]

[Cameron Kaiser]

> No, C64's were too limited (8-bit) to do anything video related.

I'm going to be strenuously pedantic: the bittedness of the 6510 isn't why
it's a less optimal video candidate, the relatively limited video output
(which is the VIC-II, not the CPU) is. 320x200 probably has enough bit
detail but the 8x8 colour limitation is crippling, and 160x200 even on a
TV screen is blocky.

But we definitely used it for video in lo-fi cheap productions. The 40x25
text mode is more than enough for some very basic titling, and it has
separated video as well.

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Re: Were C64's used in editing video like the Amigas - also need Amiga keyboard?

[Jon Elson]

On 01/11/2017 04:00 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
I never saw deck controllers, though it wouldn't have been 
difficult to homebrew one. When we used a C64 to do some 
titling for a school project, we just directly recorded 
the output to the VCR. I do believe there were some 
genlock products around but I never used one.
Back in 1986 - 1992 or so I made video animation 
controllers.  These could be connected to a variety of 
editing VCRs such as U-matic, M series and VHS editing 
decks.  It had a Z80 and typical RAM, ROM a calculator LED 
display and circuitry to lay down a time code and read the 
time code.  It didn't see the video signal at all, just got 
sync pulses on the remote control connector, and one audio 
track in and out.  Mostly sold to people making videos of 
scientific results.  I sold about 20 of them.


Jon

Re: Were C64's used in editing video like the Amigas - also need Amiga keyboard?

[Cameron Kaiser]

> > Were C64's used in editing video like the Amigas - also need Amiga
> > keyboard?
> 
> I am pretty sure people recorded graphical output from early Micros as 
> some sorta of poor mans character generator/title generator. Probalbly 
> couldn't overlay without a very expensive genlock though. Not sure if 
> there were deck control solutions for doing assemble editing based on time 
> and serial deck control for C64?

I never saw deck controllers, though it wouldn't have been difficult to 
homebrew one. When we used a C64 to do some titling for a school project,
we just directly recorded the output to the VCR. I do believe there were
some genlock products around but I never used one.

> The Newtek toaster and other add-on are in a whole different 
> league versus what the C64 could do.
> 
> There were crude capture devices also. Maybe ComputerEyes existed for C64?

It did; I have one on the shelf. However, I get much better quality taking
a frame on the Mac and dithering it, tbh, so I hardly use it anymore. CE was
a very slow means of capturing frames and a VCR with wobbly tracking on
pause didn't help the quality any.

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Re: Were C64's used in editing video like the Amigas - also need Amiga keyboard?

[ethan]

Were C64's used in editing video like the Amigas - also need Amiga
keyboard?


I am pretty sure people recorded graphical output from early Micros as 
some sorta of poor mans character generator/title generator. Probalbly 
couldn't overlay without a very expensive genlock though. Not sure if 
there were deck control solutions for doing assemble editing based on time 
and serial deck control for C64?


The Newtek toaster and other add-on are in a whole different 
league versus what the C64 could do.


There were crude capture devices also. Maybe ComputerEyes existed for C64?

--
Ethan O'Toole