date:20080605


Jason Hartley wrote:

If your goal is to boot off the USB stick and install I have does the
following steps recently with a 4gig flash drive:

1. Need to setup the MBR
- ex. cat /usr/lib/syslinux/mbr.bin > /dev/sdb
2. Use fdisk to create two partitions and make the first bootable:
 - The first should be 14 megs, fs type should be set to "b" (W95 FAT32)
 - The second can be the rest of the drive
 - Make sure set the boot flag on the first partition (many
instructions I found on the web did not mention and it was key)
3. Now you need to dd off the bootdisk.img on the first disk to the
first partition:
 - ex. dd if=/mnt/images/diskboot.img /dev/sdb1

At this point you should have a bootable flash drive and have the
option of creating a file system on the second partition then adding
the ISO(s) to it along with a kickstart config file.  I used the
aboved steps on a 4gig stick and was able to put a custom kickstart
config file, along with a DVD iso  on the second partition.


How about authoring a HowTo page on the wiki? This is some good stuff I 
haven't seen documented anywhere. That's a great idea to use diskboot.img on 
one partition with the install image on a second partition.


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Re: [CentOS] vsftpd and active mode connections causes FTP session to hang

2008-06-05 Thread John R Pierce


Filipe Brandenburger wrote:

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Timothy Selivanow
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

things like 'put' and 'get', etc.), the connection hangs.  If you wait a
bit it returns with a "425 Failed to establish connection".  I've tried



Is the FTP client behind NAT? If it is then active FTP won't work,
since the client will request the server to connect to the internal
IP.
  



its somewhat more complex than that.   many NAT boxes (home routers, 
etc) recognize FTP on port 21, and monitor the PORT commands, and mangle 
them automatically.  A linux masquerading server can do this too, with 
the right ip_masq module.  if the FTP is running on a nonstandard 
port other than 21, the automagic stuff won't work.   If the FTP 
/server/ is behind NAT using a port forward, it also gets messy. 

there's a detailed discussion of these and other salient points here, 
http://www.ncftp.com/ncftpd/doc/misc/ftp_and_firewalls.htmlit bears 
reading carefully.



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Re: [CentOS] Web proxy/content filter w/ AD integration

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Joseph L. Casale
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I need to setup a proxy that does transparent auth to AD, does anyone
> have experience or suggestions for a setup that will run in CentOS? I came
> across an article on integrating Squid with Windows AD for auth but it
> doesn't auth transparently (is that even possible?).

Have a look at NTLM for authentication:
http://www.google.ca/search?q=squid+ntlm
http://www.google.ca/search?q=squid+ntlm+howto

I'm almost sure that Squid supports it.

HTH,
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Re: [CentOS] Mysqlnavigator ?????

2008/6/5 Manuel Enrique Chavez Manzano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> from wich repo can I download Mysqlnavigator??

Have you tried the RPM from Sourceforge?
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=21623&package_id=37304

HTH,
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Re: [CentOS] vsftpd and active mode connections causes FTP session to hang

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Timothy Selivanow
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> things like 'put' and 'get', etc.), the connection hangs.  If you wait a
> bit it returns with a "425 Failed to establish connection".  I've tried

Is the FTP client behind NAT? If it is then active FTP won't work,
since the client will request the server to connect to the internal
IP.

HTH,
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Re: [CentOS] isolinux on a pendrive from disk 1

2008-06-05 Thread Jason Hartley

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Jerry Geis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I just grabbed an 8gig thumb drive, took disk 1 centos 4 i386,
> copied the isolinux directory files to my thumbdrive, then ran syslinux -sf
> /dev/sdc1
> on the device plugged it into my laptop  and it does not boot.
>
> Is there a step(s) I am missing to get a bootable thumbdrive with centos?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jerry

If your goal is to boot off the USB stick and install I have does the
following steps recently with a 4gig flash drive:

1. Need to setup the MBR
- ex. cat /usr/lib/syslinux/mbr.bin > /dev/sdb
2. Use fdisk to create two partitions and make the first bootable:
 - The first should be 14 megs, fs type should be set to "b" (W95 FAT32)
 - The second can be the rest of the drive
 - Make sure set the boot flag on the first partition (many
instructions I found on the web did not mention and it was key)
3. Now you need to dd off the bootdisk.img on the first disk to the
first partition:
 - ex. dd if=/mnt/images/diskboot.img /dev/sdb1

At this point you should have a bootable flash drive and have the
option of creating a file system on the second partition then adding
the ISO(s) to it along with a kickstart config file.  I used the
aboved steps on a 4gig stick and was able to put a custom kickstart
config file, along with a DVD iso  on the second partition.

Good luck!

-Jason
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Re: [CentOS] Web proxy/content filter w/ AD integration

2008-06-05 Thread Paul

On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 16:02 -0600, Joseph L. Casale wrote:
> I need to setup a proxy that does transparent auth to AD, does anyone
> have experience or suggestions for a setup that will run in CentOS? I came
> across an article on integrating Squid with Windows AD for auth but it
> doesn't auth transparently (is that even possible?).
> 

I remember seeing something about Dans' Guardian
(http://dansguardian.org/) supporting transparent authentication.

Paul

> Thanks!
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Re: [CentOS] using windows ad accounts for centos 5

2008-06-05 Thread Isaac Gonzalez

That was exactly what I was looking for, thanks for taking the time to 
reply.i'll reply back with my results.

-Isaac

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Leafey
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 4:35 PM
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Subject: [SPAM]Re: [CentOS] using windows ad accounts for centos 5

Isaac Gonzalez wrote:
> Hi I read and used the article
> http://blog.wazollc.com/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?ID=2 to authenticate my 
> ad accounts when logging on to cent 5…however, once I edit the 
> nsswitch.conf file, I can’t even log on as root or any local users 
> anymore. Kinit seems to initialize fine doing a kinit 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]  , however doing a 
> getent passwd adusername ….it just sits there in the shell and does 
> nothing. I actually had to put all files back to where they were 
> before the change to even be able to login locally or use sudo.
> 
> I followed the steps line by line on this article but get stuck 
> everytime….anyone has an idea or a better documented way of achieving 
> what I am trying to do , please let me know.
> 
> Thanks,
> Isaac
> 

I'm using AD-via-Kerberos to authenticate users on several CentOS 5.1 systems.  
Setting it up was as easy as a single command line:

authconfig \
 --usemd5 --useshadow --enablelocauthorize \
 --enablekrb5 \
 --krb5realm={AD Domain Name} \
 --enablekrb5kdcdns --enablekrb5realmdns --update

This makes the necessary changes to /etc/krb5.conf, /etc/ and 
/etc/nsswitch.conf.  I am NOT using this for user information, just password 
authentication, so I add user accounts for each authorized user.

You can also consider using the --disablesysnetauth flag, which disables 
authenticating "system" accounts via the network services and forces them to 
use local authorization.  This should prevent entries in the AD for "root" and 
other system accounts from being used.

Hope that helps!
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[CentOS] OT - colors in window change - sometimes....

2008-06-05 Thread MHR

One of our Windows machines here has this interesting property that I
could not duplicate in Linux (F8, but I'll check it later at home from
C5.1, too).

If I open a DOS window, set the properties to have a white background
with dark blue font, telnet to another machine, and run some commands,
sometimes the commands echo in gray on black (and stay that way).  For
example, the default ls (which has the color=tty option set), does
this, but only with what it prints to the screen.  The real killer is
vi, which resets the whole screen background back to black with
colored fonts, some of which are really hard to read (like dark blue
on black - egad!).  When I log out, the DOS window resets, but only
what it prints, unless I clear the screen, which "fixes" it.

Does anyone know anything about this?  Seems really strange (like most
WinDO$ weirdness).

NEVER happens on my Linux box, but it does happen through rdesktop

Thanks.

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[CentOS] SELinux error message on CentOS 5: "multiple same specifications"

Hi all,

I just installed a CentOS 5 machine from Kickstart. I configure NSS
and PAM to lookup and authenticate users from LDAP with authconfig. On
my LDAP I also have some automount configuration, but I'm not running
automount on this server. SELinux is installed and enforcing.

Whenever I try to install an RPM (and in other occasions during boot)
I see those messages:

# rpm -Uvh ... .rpm
/etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: Multiple same
specifications for /usr/local/lost\+found/.*.
/etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: Multiple same
specifications for /usr/local/\.journal.
/etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts: Multiple same
specifications for /usr/local/lost\+found.

The RPM installs fine, I guess those are just warnings. (Actually,
/usr/local is practically empty, and there are no lost+found or
.journal there, so I guess those are really innocuous.)

I dug in deeper and I found out that the source of the problem is most
probably in this file:
/etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts.homedirs

Among its contents are these lines:

/usr/local/[^/]*/.+ user_u:object_r:user_home_t:s0
/usr/local/[^/]*/.*/plugins/nprhapengine\.so.*  --
user_u:object_r:textrel_shlib_t:s0
/usr/local/[^/]*/.*/plugins/libflashplayer\.so.*--
user_u:object_r:textrel_shlib_t:s0
/usr/local/[^/]*/((www)|(web)|(public_html))(/.+)?
user_u:object_r:httpd_user_content_t:s0
/usr/local/[^/]*/\.mozilla(/.*)?/plugins/libflashplayer\.so.*   --
 user_u:object_r:textrel_shlib_t:s0
/usr/local/[^/]*-d  user_u:object_r:user_home_dir_t:s0
/usr/local/lost\+found/.*   <>
/usr/local  -d  system_u:object_r:home_root_t:s0
/usr/local/\.journal<>
/usr/local/lost\+found  -d  system_u:object_r:lost_found_t:s0

I saw that /home and /root are there, since they are really home
directories. But /usr/local shouldn't be there! And there's a fourth
directory there, which is based on the name of our NFS fileserver:

/colossus/users/[^/]*/.+user_u:object_r:user_home_t:s0
/colossus/users/[^/]*/.*/plugins/nprhapengine\.so.* --
user_u:object_r:textrel_shlib_t:s0
/colossus/users/[^/]*/.*/plugins/libflashplayer\.so.*   --
user_u:object_r:textrel_shlib_t:s0
/colossus/users/[^/]*/((www)|(web)|(public_html))(/.+)?
user_u:object_r:httpd_user_content_t:s0
/colossus/users/[^/]*/\.mozilla(/.*)?/plugins/libflashplayer\.so.*
 --  user_u:object_r:textrel_shlib_t:s0
/colossus/users/[^/]*   -d  user_u:object_r:user_home_dir_t:s0
/colossus/users/lost\+found/.*  <>
/colossus/users -d  system_u:object_r:home_root_t:s0
/colossus/users/\.journal   <>
/colossus/users/lost\+found -d  system_u:object_r:lost_found_t:s0

I tried to edit the file to remove the offending entries, but after I
installed another RPM I saw that the file was regenerated with the
other entries.

So, I would like to know: Where is this coming from? How is this file
being generated? What's the command that generates it? Which command
(semanage?) apart from rpm can I use to reproduce and test the
problem? (In other words, another command that won't install or change
anything on the system but check the integrity of this file.) How can
I tweak or control the way this file is generated?

Thanks a lot!
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Re: [CentOS] using windows ad accounts for centos 5

2008-06-05 Thread Jay Leafey


Isaac Gonzalez wrote:
Hi I read and used the article 
http://blog.wazollc.com/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?ID=2 to authenticate my ad 
accounts when logging on to cent 5…however, once I edit the 
nsswitch.conf file, I can’t even log on as root or any local users 
anymore. Kinit seems to initialize fine doing a kinit 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  , however doing a 
getent passwd adusername ….it just sits there in the shell and does 
nothing. I actually had to put all files back to where they were before 
the change to even be able to login locally or use sudo.


I followed the steps line by line on this article but get stuck 
everytime….anyone has an idea or a better documented way of achieving 
what I am trying to do , please let me know.


Thanks,
Isaac



I'm using AD-via-Kerberos to authenticate users on several CentOS 5.1 
systems.  Setting it up was as easy as a single command line:


authconfig \
--usemd5 --useshadow --enablelocauthorize \
--enablekrb5 \
--krb5realm={AD Domain Name} \
--enablekrb5kdcdns --enablekrb5realmdns --update

This makes the necessary changes to /etc/krb5.conf, /etc/ and 
/etc/nsswitch.conf.  I am NOT using this for user information, just 
password authentication, so I add user accounts for each authorized user.


You can also consider using the --disablesysnetauth flag, which disables 
authenticating "system" accounts via the network services and forces 
them to use local authorization.  This should prevent entries in the AD 
for "root" and other system accounts from being used.


Hope that helps!
--
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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[CentOS] using windows ad accounts for centos 5

2008-06-05 Thread Isaac Gonzalez

Hi I read and used the article
http://blog.wazollc.com/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?ID=2 to authenticate my ad
accounts when logging on to cent 5...however, once I edit the
nsswitch.conf file, I can't even log on as root or any local users
anymore. Kinit seems to initialize fine doing a kinit
[EMAIL PROTECTED] , however doing a getent passwd adusername it
just sits there in the shell and does nothing. I actually had to put all
files back to where they were before the change to even be able to login
locally or use sudo.

 

I followed the steps line by line on this article but get stuck
everytimeanyone has an idea or a better documented way of achieving
what I am trying to do , please let me know.

 

Thanks,

Isaac

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[CentOS] Web proxy/content filter w/ AD integration

2008-06-05 Thread Joseph L. Casale

I need to setup a proxy that does transparent auth to AD, does anyone
have experience or suggestions for a setup that will run in CentOS? I came
across an article on integrating Squid with Windows AD for auth but it
doesn't auth transparently (is that even possible?).

Thanks!
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Re: [CentOS] Re: kernel compile for i586


Jerry Geis wrote:


nate wrote:
>/ Jerry Geis wrote:
/>>/ I created a i586 install image with qemu.
/>>/ I downloaded the SRPMS package for the kernel and installed it.
/>>/ I cd /usr/src/redhat/SPECS
/>>/ rpmbuild -bp --target i586 kernelXXX.spec
/>>/ I does a bunch of things but it did not build a new kernel and 
put it in

/>>/ /boot
/>>/
/>>/ I think I am missing a command to actually BUILD the kernel.
/>>/ What is it?
/>/ />/ try rpmbuild -bb instead of -bp
/>/ /
And dont forget the patches to make it build on i586 :D
  
What do you mean, I thought specifying the --target would apply the 
right patches?

What else do I need?


if this is centos-3 or 4, nothing else is needed.  If it is centos-5, 
that kernel will not build an i586 target




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Re: [CentOS] Re: kernel compile for i586

2008-06-05 Thread nate

Jerry Geis wrote:

> What do you mean, I thought specifying the --target would apply the
> right patches?
> What else do I need?

Coming in at the end of the thread I'm not sure what the original
question(s) were about but in my experience if the patches are referenced
in the spec file, using rpmbuild -bb (or -ba to build a new src rpm as
well), applies all the right patches automatically.

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[CentOS] Re: kernel compile for i586



nate wrote:
>/ Jerry Geis wrote:
/>>/ I created a i586 install image with qemu.
/>>/ I downloaded the SRPMS package for the kernel and installed it.
/>>/ I cd /usr/src/redhat/SPECS
/>>/ rpmbuild -bp --target i586 kernelXXX.spec
/>>/ I does a bunch of things but it did not build a new kernel and put it in
/>>/ /boot
/>>/
/>>/ I think I am missing a command to actually BUILD the kernel.
/>>/ What is it?
/>/ 
/>/ try rpmbuild -bb instead of -bp
/>/ 
/

And dont forget the patches to make it build on i586 :D
  
What do you mean, I thought specifying the --target would apply the 
right patches?

What else do I need?

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Re: [CentOS] kernel compile for i586


nate wrote:

Jerry Geis wrote:

I created a i586 install image with qemu.
I downloaded the SRPMS package for the kernel and installed it.
I cd /usr/src/redhat/SPECS
rpmbuild -bp --target i586 kernelXXX.spec
I does a bunch of things but it did not build a new kernel and put it in
/boot

I think I am missing a command to actually BUILD the kernel.
What is it?


try rpmbuild -bb instead of -bp



And dont forget the patches to make it build on i586 :D

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Re: [CentOS] kernel compile for i586

2008-06-05 Thread nate

Jerry Geis wrote:
> I created a i586 install image with qemu.
> I downloaded the SRPMS package for the kernel and installed it.
> I cd /usr/src/redhat/SPECS
> rpmbuild -bp --target i586 kernelXXX.spec
> I does a bunch of things but it did not build a new kernel and put it in
> /boot
>
> I think I am missing a command to actually BUILD the kernel.
> What is it?

try rpmbuild -bb instead of -bp

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Re: [CentOS] kernel compile for i586

On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 02:12:39PM -0700, Jerry Geis wrote:
> I created a i586 install image with qemu.
> I downloaded the SRPMS package for the kernel and installed it.
> I cd /usr/src/redhat/SPECS
> rpmbuild -bp --target i586 kernelXXX.spec
> I does a bunch of things but it did not build a new kernel and put it in
> /boot
> 
> I think I am missing a command to actually BUILD the kernel.
> What is it?
> 

Did you check /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i586 ?

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[CentOS] Mysqlnavigator ?????

2008-06-05 Thread Manuel Enrique Chavez Manzano

from wich repo can I download Mysqlnavigator??

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[CentOS] kernel compile for i586


I created a i586 install image with qemu.
I downloaded the SRPMS package for the kernel and installed it.
I cd /usr/src/redhat/SPECS
rpmbuild -bp --target i586 kernelXXX.spec
I does a bunch of things but it did not build a new kernel and put it in 
/boot


I think I am missing a command to actually BUILD the kernel.
What is it?

Thanks,

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[CentOS] tcp_tw_recycle / tcp_tw_reuse

2008-06-05 Thread nate

Anyone have experience with these kernel parameters? I can't find a whole
lot of info on them.

I have a situation where I'm trying to stress test a server, dual proc quad
core with a tomcat application that is really fast. We can get it to about
60% CPU usage, and processing about 1,350 requests a second but we can't get
much past that. It seems we are maxing out the sockets on the system, with
more than 60,000 connections in TIME_WAIT. Our requests are really small and
light and short lived. So I was thinking of using these parameters to get
more out of the tcp stack. Our load balancer is configured to terminate
connections
to the world after 25 seconds(a typical request takes 0.1 seconds to
complete), but I'm not sure if that applies to the systems behind the load
balancer as well(I suspect not because there's no apparent setting for
that).

Currently I have the system configured to take a lower amount of traffic,
hovering at around 47% CPU, at around 833 req/s and it has 43k
connections in these states:

state
--
 65 CLOSING
 94 ESTABLISHED
172 FIN_WAIT1
 50 FIN_WAIT2
 10 LAST_ACK
497 SYN_RECV
  43480 TIME_WAIT

On a side note, the 'active tcp sockets' reported by sar seems wildly
inaccurate, it reports only ~10 active tcp sockets, it barely varies
from the system being idle to the system being maxxed out.

The docs I can find says seek expert assistance..any experts reading this ?

Running CentOS 4.6

thanks

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RE: [CentOS] Re: isolinux on a pendrive from disk 1

2008-06-05 Thread Joseph L. Casale

>I wish I could find the link but all I find now are instructions to use a 
>Fedora script
>to create the thumb drive -- a script that doesn't seem to be immediately
>available for CentOS or RHEL.

I used the rpm referenced off this site if I recall right...
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/LiveCDHowTo
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/USBHowTo

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RE: [CentOS] Re: isolinux on a pendrive from disk 1

Jerry Geis wrote:

> Jerry Geis wrote: 
> 
>   Jerry Geis wrote: 
> 
>   Jerry Geis wrote:
>   > Hi
>   > 
>   > I just grabbed an 8gig thumb drive, took disk 1 
> centos 4 i386,
>   > copied the isolinux directory files to my thumbdrive, 
> then ran syslinux 
>   > -sf /dev/sdc1
>   > on the device plugged it into my laptop  and it does 
> not boot.
>   > 
>   > Is there a step(s) I am missing to get a bootable 
> thumbdrive with centos?
>   
>   I think you also need to add a boot sector to the 
> drive. On my 64-bit system:
>   
>   #dd if=/usr/lib64/syslinux/mbr.bin of=/dev/sdc
> 
> 
>   After doing your suggestion I get 
>   same thing it just sets there with a blinking cursor.
>   
>   Jerry
>   
> 
>   I took an older 512MEG usb instead of my 8 GIG one,
>   did the exact same steps and I get
>   Could not find boot image: linux
>   
>   I copied all files what is missing?
>   
>   Jerry
>   
>   
> 
> Interesting on the 512M device I copied the vmlzi586 to linux 
> and it starts to boot great...
> Now how do I get the 8GIG part to boot?

Is there a valid MBR on the flash device?

-Ross

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Re: [CentOS] Re: several servers

2008-06-05 Thread Luke S Crawford

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> ok..i can install dovecot+postfix+MYSQL..etc..and maybe the problem it's
> resolve.
> i don't have problem with the machines, the machines are goods, my problem
> is the tranparent receive e-mails to the users than are distributed in
> four machines with the same number the users and different users in each.
> as does google??. they have one entry to e-mail system (gmail.com) but
> they have several machine (maybe thousands) in transparent mode.
> i read something like LVS...some comment about this software..! is my
> solution or I'm lost?
> Roberto.-

many ways to do this.  

The easiest option is to put customers on mail1.isp.com ... have
the server at isp.com just have a bunch of aliases pointing [EMAIL PROTECTED]
to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  ... 

the disadvantages are that the end users need to know to set their
pop/imap clients to maily.isp.com, where y will be different for  different
users, and your aliases file will get big, and moving users from one
mailserver to another gets complicated (usually you put everyone on mail1
until it is almost full, then you put all new users on mail2, until it gets
full, etc...)  but incoming mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] will work, and this is by 
far the easiest to set up and it will scale pretty well.

at an ISP where I worked during the .com, we did this, but we wanted all 
users to go to mail.isp.com to get their mail.  we wrote a little C program 
that  listened on port 113 until the pop client issued 'user username'  and
then did a lookup (in the aliases file, incidentally... this got really
slow after we passed a million accounts-  I re-wrote it to use MySQL and 
things performed ok again)  to see where the user was and forwarded the 
rest of the pop3 session to the correct server.  Really this is a minor
tweak and only saves you the trouble of making your users know which mailserver
they need to connect to.

Finally, do a search on "Cyrus murder" essentially the cyrus mailserver 
includes support for clustering your mailservers.  It's not redundant 
(e.g. if you loose a physical server you can loose data) but it performs 
well, from what I hear. Cyrus is generally considered to be an 
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Re: [CentOS] EXT3 error message on CENTOS 3.4

2008-06-05 Thread Bernard 'Tux' Lheureux

mcclnx mcc wrote:

Looks like a problem with your PERC Raid Controller (Maybe the cache
memory of the RAID Controller ?)
> We have DELL 2650 with CENTOS 3.4 installed. Today I saw following
> messages on /var/log/messages. Anyone know what it mean? Does it point
> to which disk?
>
>
> ===
> Jun 4 06:58:40 ORA03 kernel: EXT3-fs unexpected failure:
> (((jh2bh(jh))->b_state & (1UL << BH_Uptodate)) != 0);
> Jun 4 06:58:40 ORA03 kernel: Possible IO failure.
> Jun 4 06:58:40 ORA03 kernel:
> Jun 4 06:58:45 ORA03 kernel: EXT3-fs unexpected failure:
> (((jh2bh(jh))->b_state & (1UL << BH_Uptodate)) != 0);
> Jun 4 06:58:45 ORA03 kernel: Possible IO failure.

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[CentOS] Re: isolinux on a pendrive from disk 1


Jerry Geis wrote:

Jerry Geis wrote:

Jerry Geis wrote:
>/ Hi
/>/ 
/>/ I just grabbed an 8gig thumb drive, took disk 1 centos 4 i386,
/>/ copied the isolinux directory files to my thumbdrive, then ran syslinux 
/>/ -sf /dev/sdc1

/>/ on the device plugged it into my laptop  and it does not boot.
/>/ 
/>/ Is there a step(s) I am missing to get a bootable thumbdrive with centos?

/
I think you also need to add a boot sector to the drive. On my 64-bit system:

#dd if=/usr/lib64/syslinux/mbr.bin of=/dev/sdc
  

After doing your suggestion I get
same thing it just sets there with a blinking cursor.

Jerry

I took an older 512MEG usb instead of my 8 GIG one,
did the exact same steps and I get
Could not find boot image: linux

I copied all files what is missing?

Jerry

Interesting on the 512M device I copied the vmlzi586 to linux and it 
starts to boot great...

Now how do I get the 8GIG part to boot?

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Re: [CentOS] Re: isolinux on a pendrive from disk 1




Jerry Geis wrote:

Jerry Geis wrote:

Jerry Geis wrote:
>/ Hi
/>/ 
/>/ I just grabbed an 8gig thumb drive, took disk 1 centos 4 i386,
/>/ copied the isolinux directory files to my thumbdrive, then ran syslinux 
/>/ -sf /dev/sdc1

/>/ on the device plugged it into my laptop  and it does not boot.
/>/ 
/>/ Is there a step(s) I am missing to get a bootable thumbdrive with centos?

/
I think you also need to add a boot sector to the drive. On my 64-bit system:

#dd if=/usr/lib64/syslinux/mbr.bin of=/dev/sdc
  

After doing your suggestion I get
same thing it just sets there with a blinking cursor.

Jerry

I took an older 512MEG usb instead of my 8 GIG one,
did the exact same steps and I get
Could not find boot image: linux

I copied all files what is missing?


It was just a guess. There were several more steps I have needed to do in the 
past in order to get Fedora Live CDs to boot off of thumb drives. I wish I 
could find the link but all I find now are instructions to use a Fedora script 
to create the thumb drive -- a script that doesn't seem to be immediately 
available for CentOS or RHEL.


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[CentOS] Re: isolinux on a pendrive from disk 1


Jerry Geis wrote:

Jerry Geis wrote:
>/ Hi
/>/ 
/>/ I just grabbed an 8gig thumb drive, took disk 1 centos 4 i386,
/>/ copied the isolinux directory files to my thumbdrive, then ran syslinux 
/>/ -sf /dev/sdc1

/>/ on the device plugged it into my laptop  and it does not boot.
/>/ 
/>/ Is there a step(s) I am missing to get a bootable thumbdrive with centos?

/
I think you also need to add a boot sector to the drive. On my 64-bit system:

#dd if=/usr/lib64/syslinux/mbr.bin of=/dev/sdc
  

After doing your suggestion I get
same thing it just sets there with a blinking cursor.

Jerry

I took an older 512MEG usb instead of my 8 GIG one,
did the exact same steps and I get
Could not find boot image: linux

I copied all files what is missing?

Jerry

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[CentOS] Re: isolinux on a pendrive from disk 1



Jerry Geis wrote:
>/ Hi
/>/ 
/>/ I just grabbed an 8gig thumb drive, took disk 1 centos 4 i386,
/>/ copied the isolinux directory files to my thumbdrive, then ran syslinux 
/>/ -sf /dev/sdc1

/>/ on the device plugged it into my laptop  and it does not boot.
/>/ 
/>/ Is there a step(s) I am missing to get a bootable thumbdrive with centos?

/
I think you also need to add a boot sector to the drive. On my 64-bit system:

#dd if=/usr/lib64/syslinux/mbr.bin of=/dev/sdc
  

After doing your suggestion I get
same thing it just sets there with a blinking cursor.

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RE: [CentOS] Re: kernels and irc

Scott Silva wrote:

> on 6-5-2008 8:30 AM James Bunnell spake the following:
> > 
> > i do pay for rhel. i made the mistake of converting to centos. damage is 
> > done. on the next major upgrade, i will return to rhel and will not 
> > professionally recommend centos either privately,personally, or in the 
> > realm of a business. thanks for seeing my side of the issue and not 
> > jumping on the elite bandwagon. i am done.
> 
> No wonder you were banned on #irc. I personally am more than happy to
> wait. I came here from Whitebox linux, and it is even slower there. One
> person is doing what the entire team is doing here. I also know that if
> I am in that big of a hurry, I can down the src rpms and start
> building... But I won't.
> 
> Johnny, Karanbir, Russ, Seth, Dag, Jim, Donavan, and every one else on
> the team that I most surely missed... You do a bang up job, and our
> thanks go to your tireless and mostly unpaid contributions to this
> project! If I have to wait a week or a month for a new release... so 
> be it. The security updates are what is most important, and those come 
> very quickly.

I second that!

Besides I am in no hurry to start the whole change management process
again.

Feels like I just finished upgrading to 5.1 ... Oh wait, I did!

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[CentOS] Re: kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread Tom Diehl


On Thu, 5 Jun 2008, James Bunnell wrote:



On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 18:36 +0200, Ralph Angenendt wrote:


James Bunnell wrote:

On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 17:00 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:

On May 22 it was estimated that it would take 3 weeks.  Did you really need an
update on that?


i only asked. an answer such as what was given here earlier would have
sufficed. is that so hard?


But it is the same answer you already had!


ok, let's look at this differently. if i were looking for a answer to
these things from a standpoint of wanting to help, or pointing out
something that may be perceived differently somewhere else such as the
'well they are updating 3-4, why not 5'...how is that to be construed? i
think that deserves more than an aggressive response such as what
happened on irc.


Not for nothin but I thought about 200 messages ago you said you were done?

PLEASE do not answer that. Silence would be the best answer.

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Re: [CentOS] vsftpd and active mode connections causes FTP session to hang

2008-06-05 Thread Timothy Selivanow


On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 14:23 -0400, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 11:05 -0700, Timothy Selivanow wrote:
> > Any ideas?
> 
> Did you open both ftp and ftp-data ports?

Yes.  On some of the hosts, my workstation is just explicitly allowed
through also (I've also tried turning off iptables, just in case).


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[CentOS] Re: kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread Scott Silva

on 6-5-2008 8:30 AM James Bunnell spake the following:

On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 09:57 -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote:

James Bunnell wrote:
> I was in the #centos-social channel and simply stated that I noticed
> CentOS 3-4 were getting a lot of updates. I also stated that the CentOS
> 5 was one kernel behind, as in RHEL it is at -53, the gentlemen then
> told me that I was wrong and it was at -21. I then asked if there was a
> way to get a progress report somehow on 5.2, and that 5.2 has already
> upgraded that kernel. The result was that I was banned for being
> correct. I dont understand this kind of support.

You are NOT correct ...

The latest NON 5.2 kernel is:

ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise/5Client/en/os/SRPMS/kernel-2.6.18-53.1.21.el5.src.rpm

looks like -53 to me

The latest 5.2 kernel is:

ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise/5Client/en/os/SRPMS/kernel-2.6.18-92.1.1.el5.src.rpm

this is a new kernel as of today, may 22 compilation date

As far as being banned on an IRC Channel ... I am sure you were warned 
first.  CentOS is manned by volunteers.  If you want to argue with the 
people who are on IRC after they tell you not to, then you will be banned.
yes i was warned, however, can they not admit when they are wrong? and 
because its volunteers (like debian), all the more reason to be 
professional.

The CentOS project trusts the judgment of our forum moderators and our 
IRC ops ... if they ban you then you are banned.  We are not a for 
profit company where you pay us for service and can be disrespectful to 
our employees.  You will instead have to be polite in your disagreements.
i have been polite for weeks. i finally had a enough of being polite and 
just being told, 'it will be release when its ready.' that is not a 
professional answer. is it too much to ask for an update?

If this is a problem, I suggest that you find a paid for service 
contract where you can be rude to the people with whom you interact.
i do pay for rhel. i made the mistake of converting to centos. damage is 
done. on the next major upgrade, i will return to rhel and will not 
professionally recommend centos either privately,personally, or in the 
realm of a business. thanks for seeing my side of the issue and not 
jumping on the elite bandwagon. i am done.

No wonder you were banned on #irc.
I personally am more than happy to wait. I came here from Whitebox linux, and 
it is even slower there. One person is doing what the entire team is doing here.
I also know that if I am in that big of a hurry, I can down the src rpms and 
start building... But I won't.

Johnny, Karanbir, Russ, Seth, Dag, Jim, Donavan, and every one else on the 
team that I most surely missed... You do a bang up job, and our thanks go to 
your tireless and mostly unpaid contributions to this project!
 If I have to wait a week or a month for a new release... so be it. The 
security updates are what is most important, and those come very quickly.

Again ... Thank you all!

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Re: [CentOS] isolinux on a pendrive from disk 1



Jerry Geis wrote:

Hi

I just grabbed an 8gig thumb drive, took disk 1 centos 4 i386,
copied the isolinux directory files to my thumbdrive, then ran syslinux 
-sf /dev/sdc1

on the device plugged it into my laptop  and it does not boot.

Is there a step(s) I am missing to get a bootable thumbdrive with centos?


I think you also need to add a boot sector to the drive. On my 64-bit system:

#dd if=/usr/lib64/syslinux/mbr.bin of=/dev/sdc
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[CentOS] Re: rpm -q versus what's installed

2008-06-05 Thread Scott Silva


on 6-5-2008 11:17 AM MHR spake the following:

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 2:56 AM, William L. Maltby
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 23:27 -0400, Scott R. Ehrlich wrote:

I am trying to install Oracle client 10g (10.2.0) on a 64-bit CentOS 5.0
system.

'rpm -q make gcc glibc etc' reveals some packages as "not installed", yet
a yum install  consistently returns Nothing to do. Yum list
available  yields nothing needed.

If rpm -q  lists some that are "not installed" but every
variant of yum install and yum list I've tried and googled claiims nothing
more needs to be installed, either the OS is misreporting (I doubt that)
or I'm missing something that is not easily being revealed, or that I
haven't used in a long time and outright forgetting.

A common error is to not give the correct name to rpm. Try

  rpm -qa | grep 

I often forget to add such trivial stuff as ".i386" to the package name.

Ditto for yum. Just do a yum list all into some file and then view the
file.

Also, yum list all into a file might be useful. It shows installed and
available.



I have a couple of aliases you might find useful for this:

alias rg='rpm -qa | grep -i'
alias yg='yum list | grep -i'

They're not terribly efficient, but I don't use them that often,
either.  Also, I have a setting in my .rpmmacros (or .rpmrc) file at
home that specifies to list the machine type along with the file name
- I can't remember it (or find it) right now, but I got it here, so
someone knows

(Figures that I wouldn't have it here)

HTH

mhr

%_query_all_fmt %%{name}-%%{version}-%%{release}.%%{arch}
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Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread William L. Maltby

On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 09:01 -0700, Ray Van Dolson wrote:
> 

> This is open source etiquette.  It differs from business etiquette
> where you are more than welcoem to berate and yell and holler about
> things because you're paying someone a lot of money.

Respectfully, when I was doing this professionally I didn't not permit
any abuse regardless of $$. I've hung up the phone, turned and walked
away many times. I made a *very* decent living in spite of this. I
didn't want and did not retain customers that thought their $$ bought
them rights to abuse.

It is a mutual respect issue that is not modified by $$.

I do my best to give basic respect regardless of $$. More and less is
then earned by the individuals involved.

MHO

> 
> Ray
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[CentOS] isolinux on a pendrive from disk 1


Hi

I just grabbed an 8gig thumb drive, took disk 1 centos 4 i386,
copied the isolinux directory files to my thumbdrive, then ran syslinux 
-sf /dev/sdc1

on the device plugged it into my laptop  and it does not boot.

Is there a step(s) I am missing to get a bootable thumbdrive with centos?

Thanks,

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Re: [CentOS] Re: centos 4 on ebox 2300sx

2008-06-05 Thread John R Pierce


Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote:
no, I think you'll need to build your own kernel RPMs for that one, or 
use a different sort of distro entirely.   You'll need a i386 kernel, as 
that was the last CPU which had external/optional FP.



ISTR that you could enable FPU emulation on any arch, and it would be
ignored if a FPU was present. Has this changed?
  


right, but standard kernels built for i686 or whatever are likely to 
ASSUME they have hardware FPU as every PentiumPro and newer CPU had this.



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RE: [CentOS] kernels and irc

Jim Perrin wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Ross S. W. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Johnny Hughes wrote:
> >
> >> 2. You can not be a ass on our IRC channels, or on our mailing lists.
> >
> > I object to your language on the list!
> >
> > You MUST use the word "an" as a preposition to a noun beginning with a 
> > vowel!
> >
> > What is this world coming to!
> 
> You sir, are a winner! You may come to the front and collect one free
> Internet in the color of your choosing

Oh oh oh, I'll take mine in red please!

-Ross

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Re: [CentOS] vsftpd and active mode connections causes FTP session to hang

2008-06-05 Thread Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams

On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 11:05 -0700, Timothy Selivanow wrote:
> Any ideas?

Did you open both ftp and ftp-data ports?

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Re: [CentOS] Re: centos 4 on ebox 2300sx

2008-06-05 Thread Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams

On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 11:09 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
> Jerry Geis wrote:
> > I was wondering is there an older centos version that has emulation 
> > already built in?
> > Which one ? I am not stuck on using 4
> 
> CentOS 3 has only i586 and i686 kernels, those both rely on hardware FP
> 
> 
> no, I think you'll need to build your own kernel RPMs for that one, or 
> use a different sort of distro entirely.   You'll need a i386 kernel, as 
> that was the last CPU which had external/optional FP.

ISTR that you could enable FPU emulation on any arch, and it would be
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I think we've fed the troll enough for this month.

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Re: [CentOS] General CentOS 5.1 (or Gnome) instability?

2008-06-05 Thread Alfred von Campe


On Jun 5, 2008, at 10:23, Johnny Hughes wrote:

I am not having any issues with CentOS 5 and Gnome ... I have been  
using it as my primary desktop since before the 5.0Beta stage.


I would initially start out but looking at any 3rd party installed  
products.


The only 3rd party tools that are *installed* on the systems are the  
following RPMs from the RPMforge repo:


crossvc-1.5.2-1.el5.rf.i386.rpm
directfb-0.9.25.1-1.el5.rf.i386.rpm
directfb-devel-0.9.25.1-1.el5.rf.i386.kdiff3-0.9.92-1.el5.rf.i386.rpm
meld-1.1.5-1.el5.rf.noarch.rpm
perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.008-1.el5.rf.i386.rpm
perl-Compress-Zlib-2.008-1.el5.rf.noarch.rpm
perl-IO-Compress-Base-2.008-1.el5.rf.noarch.rpm
perl-IO-Compress-Zlib-2.008-1.el5.rf.noarch.rpm
perl-Jcode-2.06-1.el5.rf.i386.rpm
perl-Mail-Sendmail-0.79-1.2.el5.rf.noarch.rpm
perl-OLE-Storage_Lite-0.16-1.el5.rf.noarch.rpm
perl-Spreadsheet-ParseExcel-0.32-1.el5.rf.noarch.rpm
perl-Spreadsheet-WriteExcel-2.21-1.el5.rf.noarch.rpm
perl-Unicode-Map-0.112-1.el5.rf.i386.rpm
perl-XML-Parser-2.36-1.el5.rf.i386.rpm
perl-XML-Simple-2.18-1.el5.rf.noarch.rpm
rpmforge-release-0.3.6-1.el5.rf.i386.rpm
subversion-1.4.6-0.1.el5.rf.i386.rpm
subversion-perl-1.4.6-0.1.el5.rf.i386.rpm

None of these have actively running processes (ie.e, daemons) that  
could interfere with ongoing Gnome activity.  I do have a couple of  
3rd party tools that are installed on an automounted NFS share, but  
again, these are just user applications like an IDE and a source  
control management system that should be fairly self contained and  
not affect the Gnome Terminal process, Gnome applets, etc.


Also, if the hardware is the same, it might be something related to  
that motherboard chipset and centos-5 kernels.  I would see if you  
have the latest BIOS for the hardware as there may be APIC/ACPI  
issues that can effect kernel, udev, hald, etc.


OK, I will look into this.

I have zero issues here ... but I do NOT use yum-updated or any of  
its applets.


The only Gnome applets in use are the default ones: Show Desktop,  
Window List, and Workspace switcher.  I don't even have the yum- 
updatesd RPM installed.


I will try to raise these issues on a Gnome mailing list or forum to  
see if anyone has any useful insights.


Thanks,
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Re: [CentOS] rpm -q versus what's installed

2008-06-05 Thread MHR

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 2:56 AM, William L. Maltby
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 23:27 -0400, Scott R. Ehrlich wrote:
>> I am trying to install Oracle client 10g (10.2.0) on a 64-bit CentOS 5.0
>> system.
>>
>> 'rpm -q make gcc glibc etc' reveals some packages as "not installed", yet
>> a yum install  consistently returns Nothing to do. Yum list
>> available  yields nothing needed.
>>
>> If rpm -q  lists some that are "not installed" but every
>> variant of yum install and yum list I've tried and googled claiims nothing
>> more needs to be installed, either the OS is misreporting (I doubt that)
>> or I'm missing something that is not easily being revealed, or that I
>> haven't used in a long time and outright forgetting.
>
> A common error is to not give the correct name to rpm. Try
>
>   rpm -qa | grep 
>
> I often forget to add such trivial stuff as ".i386" to the package name.
>
> Ditto for yum. Just do a yum list all into some file and then view the
> file.
>
> Also, yum list all into a file might be useful. It shows installed and
> available.
>

I have a couple of aliases you might find useful for this:

alias rg='rpm -qa | grep -i'
alias yg='yum list | grep -i'

They're not terribly efficient, but I don't use them that often,
either.  Also, I have a setting in my .rpmmacros (or .rpmrc) file at
home that specifies to list the machine type along with the file name
- I can't remember it (or find it) right now, but I got it here, so
someone knows

(Figures that I wouldn't have it here)

HTH

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Re: [CentOS] Re: centos 4 on ebox 2300sx

2008-06-05 Thread John R Pierce


Jerry Geis wrote:
I was wondering is there an older centos version that has emulation 
already built in?

Which one ? I am not stuck on using 4


CentOS 3 has only i586 and i686 kernels, those both rely on hardware FP


no, I think you'll need to build your own kernel RPMs for that one, or 
use a different sort of distro entirely.   You'll need a i386 kernel, as 
that was the last CPU which had external/optional FP.


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[CentOS] vsftpd and active mode connections causes FTP session to hang

2008-06-05 Thread Timothy Selivanow

I've encountered an odd error state that I haven't been able to resolve
yet.  I have a customer that, for what ever reason, wants to use active
mode occasionally for FTP xfers.  What they have noticed, is that after
you switch to active, and issue a command (they do 'ls', I've done other
things like 'put' and 'get', etc.), the connection hangs.  If you wait a
bit it returns with a "425 Failed to establish connection".  I've tried
this on three hosts so far (all CentOS 5) and they all behave the same,
some of which there is effectively no firewall (all traffic is allowed
from my workstation to the host, and no restrictions on exiting
traffic).

All google searches about this behavour thus far have talked about old
versions of vsftpd or using filesystems such as FAT, which don't apply
in all cases.  Any ideas?


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Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread Jim Perrin

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Ross S. W. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Johnny Hughes wrote:
>
>> 2. You can not be a ass on our IRC channels, or on our mailing lists.
>
> I object to your language on the list!
>
> You MUST use the word "an" as a preposition to a noun beginning with a vowel!
>
> What is this world coming to!

You sir, are a winner! You may come to the front and collect one free
Internet in the color of your choosing

One of the best followups all afternoon!
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[CentOS] Re: centos 4 on ebox 2300sx



On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 12:43 -0400, Jerry Geis wrote:
>/ I am attempting to install centos 4.4 on an ebox 2300sx.
/>/ I start with "i586 text" everything starts up and then I get:
/>/ No coprocessor found and no math emulation present.
/>/ 
/>/ How do I get math emulation?

/
You build a kernel with math emulation enabled.

Huh, cute machine. Too bad about the copro though.
  


I was wondering is there an older centos version that has emulation 
already built in?

Which one ? I am not stuck on using 4

THanks,

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Re: [CentOS] centos 4 on ebox 2300sx

2008-06-05 Thread Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams

On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 12:43 -0400, Jerry Geis wrote:
> I am attempting to install centos 4.4 on an ebox 2300sx.
> I start with "i586 text" everything starts up and then I get:
> No coprocessor found and no math emulation present.
> 
> How do I get math emulation?

You build a kernel with math emulation enabled.

Huh, cute machine. Too bad about the copro though.

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Johnny Hughes wrote:

> 2. You can not be a ass on our IRC channels, or on our mailing lists.

I object to your language on the list!

You MUST use the word "an" as a preposition to a noun beginning with a vowel!

What is this world coming to!


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Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc


James Bunnell wrote:

On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 09:19 -0700, Ray Van Dolson wrote:







i have a little familiarity with open source, perhaps more than noted,
and i what i am seeing here is centos saying that since we're not paid,
we dont care. i think there are many projects that would not want this
image. sounds like failure to me. hence,  i am not so sure this is
anything to be proud of. anyway, time to move on.



OK .. I am the one who said it, so I will make it clear

1. CentOS-5.2 will be ready when it is ready.

2. You can not be a ass on our IRC channels, or on our mailing lists.

3. If you (or anyone else for that matter) does not like this, then 
please do not use our products.


We produce a very professional product and we have professional area 
where we interact.  To maintain professionalism, we do not allow 
profanity on the channels.  We also require people to be somewhat polite.


Because we do this as volunteers, *I DEMAND* that our volunteers be 
treated respectfully ... this is not negotiable.  If you can not do so, 
then *I will personally* ban you from all mailing lists and irc channels 
that have anything to do with CentOS.


If you, or anyone else, doesn't like it ... and if that has an effect on 
CentOS, then so be it.  However, those actions will be taken if necessary.



This part is on you, and is the only part you can control directly.  I
know from experience that more often than not you'll get much more
helpful and open responses back if you use the above approach.


We do not have a release date yet ... we do have a goal, and that goal 
is to release about a month after the upstream release.


My whole point is, I am not beholding to provide any service to you or 
provide any updates to you on when CentOS-5.2 will be released or 
provide any services for you.


We have made a statement, and we will update it if it looks like it is 
not accurate.  We will release CentOS-5.2 RPMS to QA as soon as it is 
ready ...  and we will release it to the mirrors after QA is done.  We 
do not know when that will be yet, but it will be "When it is ready". 
It can not happen before that.


If "when it is ready" is going to be significantly different than what 
we put out on the list or on planet.centos.org, then we will also put 
that out.


If that is not good enough for you, then this project is not what you 
should be using.




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On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 09:52 -0700, Ray Van Dolson wrote:


> Frame your questions and reactions with these things in mind, develop a
> bit thicker skin.  Run everything said by a developer type through the
> nerd "tact filter" too:
> 
>   http://www.mit.edu/~jcb/tact.html
> 
> This applies for any project, not just CentOS!
> 
> Ok, I'm done beating this dead horse. :)

ive seen this before, and its a good point, and well taken, however, i
think it needs to be taken seriously on both sides as well :)

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On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 18:34 +0200, Ralph Angenendt wrote:


> Subscribing to centos-devel or starting a SIG or doing a project on
> http://projects.centos.org/ does not require *any* invitation and that
> is where involvement starts. Well, it even does start on a lower level -
> by supporting other users on IRC, forums or mailing lists. Which also
> does not require an invitation. Neither does writing up documentation on
> the Wiki. 

the problem here is that i thought i saw where a person had to have
permission for these things such as the wiki. when some asks a question
in irc which may be a general linux question, should they be told that
centos doesnt support it therefore go away? the impression here is that
if its not a centos rpm, then we want nothing to do with it. while that
may be true in fact, i think this is wrong inherently with the mission
of centos to tell someone this. i understand it gets old to sit and
watch these kind of questions all the time, maybe someone needs a break
then. 

> 
> Access to packages preliminary to release or access to build hosts -
> that requires an invitation. But that is on top of the involvement
> process. 

understood.

> 
> > > If CentOS noticed a huge decline in users they might be concerned about
> > > this.  They haven't; you're probably the only one I've heard bringing
> > > up this issue and honestly it sounds like you were the cause of the
> > > problem.
> > 
> > that may be your perception. perhaps you would want to look at the logs
> > so you would know.
> 
> Others probably had another perception - and I think that today might
> have been just "the icing on the cake". 

this is unfortunate and a failure of this type of communication.


> > and users do not react well to being told rudely 'it will be ready when
> > its ready', that is just rude.
> 
> But it will only be ready when it is ready. If there would be a known
> date or even week, that would have been announced. But from the
> beginning on people have been told that it normally takes three to four
> weeks for CentOS to follow up on a release from upstream. And I don't
> see anything rude in stating exactly that - it is ready when it is
> ready. And the time frame within that "is ready" will happen is still
> the same as in Tim's blog post on planet.centos.org.
> 
> What is rude about that?

its seen as a non-definitive answer to a question that would normally
ask for more detail. i.e., a copout.

> 
> > i do not perceive it as a paying customer, and i was not the one that
> > brought that up. now that it has been brought up, what is the mission of
> > CentOS ?
> 
> To provide people with a free (as in beer, RHEL and CentOS are also free
> as in free speech) Enterprise Linux Distribution. I think that counts as
> goal No. 1.

does this include support in IRC? or mailing lists and forums only?
(just curious) notice my criticism here is the IRC channels only and the
responses there. 

> 
> > > This is open source etiquette.  It differs from business etiquette
> > > where you are more than welcoem to berate and yell and holler about
> > > things because you're paying someone a lot of money.
> > 
> > the etiquette is rudeness to promote open source? is this what you are
> > saying?
> 
> No. But people rather do work on stuff so that it does get ready than to
> market around it and promise stuff that won't happen.
> 
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Re: [CentOS] Re: 5.1 Anaconda Install Error SOLVED


William L. Maltby wrote:

It's not truly any relationship like that. It's just (in the old days) a
device ID selected on the cable by jumpers on the drive. The "control"
is nothing more than the IDE controller selecting either "0" or "1"
device ID for commands and data. The drive with the matching ID responds
while the other ignores.

In todays world, cable select might provide the ID assignment.

I'm not sure how "master" and "slave" came to be used in this scenario,
unless it had to do with BIOS boot processes back in the old days.


Well, right you are. Scroll down to "Master and Slave Clarification":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_Drive_Electronics

I had been laboring under the impression that the 'master' drive controlled 
both drives on a single cable. Now I've learned the truth just in time for 
SATA to take over. :)




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On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 10:35:18AM -0600, James Bunnell wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 09:19 -0700, Ray Van Dolson wrote:
> 
> > This is open source etiquette.  It differs from business etiquette
> > where you are more than welcoem to berate and yell and holler about
> > things because you're paying someone a lot of money.
> >
> >
> > the etiquette is rudeness to promote open source? is this what you are 
> saying?
> >
> 
> No, the etiquette is that you need to approach developer and volunteers
> as just that -- people who are doing this in their spare time.  Do not
> be demanding, go the extra mile yourself ahead of time to seek answers
> on your own, and give these folks the benefit of the doubt if they
> don't act like support staff at RH; it isn't their job.
> 
> 
> i have a little familiarity with open source, perhaps more than noted, and i
> what i am seeing here is centos saying that since we're not paid, we dont 
> care.
> i think there are many projects that would not want this image. sounds like
> failure to me. hence,  i am not so sure this is anything to be proud of.
> anyway, time to move on.
> 

The woe-is-me attitude has to go for starters.  When asking any
question of anyone involved with an OSS project, keep in mind:

  - These are people who are not being compensated in any way shape or
form
  - They are likely spending time working directly on things, and any
time deveoted to "users" is an extra
  - They are likely innundated with similar questions all the time
  - They are more likely to be interested in assisting those who assist
themselves
  - They are more likely to be interested in helping those who bend
over backwards to be polite and appreciative of the work they are
getting for free.

Frame your questions and reactions with these things in mind, develop a
bit thicker skin.  Run everything said by a developer type through the
nerd "tact filter" too:

  http://www.mit.edu/~jcb/tact.html

This applies for any project, not just CentOS!

Ok, I'm done beating this dead horse. :)
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On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 18:36 +0200, Ralph Angenendt wrote:

> James Bunnell wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 17:00 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > On May 22 it was estimated that it would take 3 weeks.  Did you really 
> > > need an 
> > > update on that?
> > 
> > i only asked. an answer such as what was given here earlier would have
> > sufficed. is that so hard?
> 
> But it is the same answer you already had!

ok, let's look at this differently. if i were looking for a answer to
these things from a standpoint of wanting to help, or pointing out
something that may be perceived differently somewhere else such as the
'well they are updating 3-4, why not 5'...how is that to be construed? i
think that deserves more than an aggressive response such as what
happened on irc. 

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[CentOS] centos 4 on ebox 2300sx


hi all,

I am attempting to install centos 4.4 on an ebox 2300sx.
I start with "i586 text" everything starts up and then I get:
No coprocessor found and no math emulation present.

How do I get math emulation?

THanks

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Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread Ralph Angenendt

James Bunnell wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 17:00 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On May 22 it was estimated that it would take 3 weeks.  Did you really need 
> > an 
> > update on that?
> 
> i only asked. an answer such as what was given here earlier would have
> sufficed. is that so hard?

But it is the same answer you already had!

Ralph


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On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 09:19 -0700, Ray Van Dolson wrote:

> > This is open source etiquette.  It differs from business etiquette
> > where you are more than welcoem to berate and yell and holler about
> > things because you're paying someone a lot of money.
> > 
> > 
> > the etiquette is rudeness to promote open source? is this what you are 
> > saying?
> > 
> 
> No, the etiquette is that you need to approach developer and volunteers
> as just that -- people who are doing this in their spare time.  Do not
> be demanding, go the extra mile yourself ahead of time to seek answers
> on your own, and give these folks the benefit of the doubt if they
> don't act like support staff at RH; it isn't their job.

i have a little familiarity with open source, perhaps more than noted,
and i what i am seeing here is centos saying that since we're not paid,
we dont care. i think there are many projects that would not want this
image. sounds like failure to me. hence,  i am not so sure this is
anything to be proud of. anyway, time to move on.

> 
> This part is on you, and is the only part you can control directly.  I
> know from experience that more often than not you'll get much more
> helpful and open responses back if you use the above approach.
> 
> HTH
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Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread Ralph Angenendt

James Bunnell wrote:
> i was told early on, that it took an invite to get involved. 

Subscribing to centos-devel or starting a SIG or doing a project on
http://projects.centos.org/ does not require *any* invitation and that
is where involvement starts. Well, it even does start on a lower level -
by supporting other users on IRC, forums or mailing lists. Which also
does not require an invitation. Neither does writing up documentation on
the Wiki. 

Access to packages preliminary to release or access to build hosts -
that requires an invitation. But that is on top of the involvement
process. 

> > If CentOS noticed a huge decline in users they might be concerned about
> > this.  They haven't; you're probably the only one I've heard bringing
> > up this issue and honestly it sounds like you were the cause of the
> > problem.
> 
> that may be your perception. perhaps you would want to look at the logs
> so you would know.

Others probably had another perception - and I think that today might
have been just "the icing on the cake". 

>> This is not an issue for CentOS currently.
> 
> too bad.

Errm.

> and users do not react well to being told rudely 'it will be ready when
> its ready', that is just rude.

But it will only be ready when it is ready. If there would be a known
date or even week, that would have been announced. But from the
beginning on people have been told that it normally takes three to four
weeks for CentOS to follow up on a release from upstream. And I don't
see anything rude in stating exactly that - it is ready when it is
ready. And the time frame within that "is ready" will happen is still
the same as in Tim's blog post on planet.centos.org.

What is rude about that?

> i do not perceive it as a paying customer, and i was not the one that
> brought that up. now that it has been brought up, what is the mission of
> CentOS ?

To provide people with a free (as in beer, RHEL and CentOS are also free
as in free speech) Enterprise Linux Distribution. I think that counts as
goal No. 1.

> > This is open source etiquette.  It differs from business etiquette
> > where you are more than welcoem to berate and yell and holler about
> > things because you're paying someone a lot of money.
> 
> the etiquette is rudeness to promote open source? is this what you are
> saying?

No. But people rather do work on stuff so that it does get ready than to
market around it and promise stuff that won't happen.

Ralph

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Re: [CentOS] rpm -q versus what's installed

2008-06-05 Thread Marcelo Roccasalva

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:56 AM, William L. Maltby
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 23:27 -0400, Scott R. Ehrlich wrote:
> > I am trying to install Oracle client 10g (10.2.0) on a 64-bit CentOS 5.0
> > system.
> >
> > 'rpm -q make gcc glibc etc' reveals some packages as "not installed", yet
> > a yum install  consistently returns Nothing to do. Yum list
> > available  yields nothing needed.
> >
> > If rpm -q  lists some that are "not installed" but every
> > variant of yum install and yum list I've tried and googled claiims nothing
> > more needs to be installed, either the OS is misreporting (I doubt that)
>
> Good, 'cause the OS has nothing to do with it!  ;-)   It's all the rpm
> package and what sits on top of that, yum.
>
> > or I'm missing something that is not easily being revealed, or that I
> > haven't used in a long time and outright forgetting.
>
> A common error is to not give the correct name to rpm. Try
>
>   rpm -qa | grep 
>
> I often forget to add such trivial stuff as ".i386" to the package name.

This is very important because in a 64 bits installation, you will
need some packages in 32 bits version also (rpm -qa will show you
duplicate names because of this). IIRC openmotif21 has 32 bits version
only.

By default, yum installs the default architecture (uname -i) but you
can "yum install compat-libstsdc++-devel.i386" if you need. To see the
architecture of installed packages: rpm -qa --qf
"%{N}-%{V}-%{R}.%{ARCH}\n"

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Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

> This is open source etiquette.  It differs from business etiquette
> where you are more than welcoem to berate and yell and holler about
> things because you're paying someone a lot of money.
> 
> 
> the etiquette is rudeness to promote open source? is this what you are saying?
> 

No, the etiquette is that you need to approach developer and volunteers
as just that -- people who are doing this in their spare time.  Do not
be demanding, go the extra mile yourself ahead of time to seek answers
on your own, and give these folks the benefit of the doubt if they
don't act like support staff at RH; it isn't their job.

This part is on you, and is the only part you can control directly.  I
know from experience that more often than not you'll get much more
helpful and open responses back if you use the above approach.

HTH
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Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread Martyn Drake

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 5:04 PM, James Bunnell
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> and i agree with you. banning in irc is an insult when based on nothing but
> personal disagreement. swearing is a knee-jerk defense to the abuse of irc
> operators and admittedly should not have happened.

Is this an apology I see forthcoming? :)

Anyway, let's all move on..

M. - A member of the OSS and general IT Peacekeeping Taskforce ;)
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Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc


On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 09:01 -0700, Ray Van Dolson wrote:


> 
> I expect people who feel they are treated like crap to do one of two
> things:
> 
>   1. Get involved to try and make things better (I guess you could
>   argue you are doing this albeit in a really ineffective manner :)
>   2. Move on to antoher project

i was told early on, that it took an invite to get involved. 

> 
> If CentOS noticed a huge decline in users they might be concerned about
> this.  They haven't; you're probably the only one I've heard bringing
> up this issue and honestly it sounds like you were the cause of the
> problem.

that may be your perception. perhaps you would want to look at the logs
so you would know.

> 
> This is not an issue for CentOS currently.

too bad.

> 
> > 
> > I would agree though, it sounds like RH is a better choice for your
> > needs, and more specifically, a better fit for your method of
> > interaction.
> > 
> > You're not going to find many volunteers who react well to being cursed
> > at or otherwise abused verbally.

and users do not react well to being told rudely 'it will be ready when
its ready', that is just rude.

> > 
> > 
> > and you're not going to find too many people in business that want to ask a
> > question and are blatently put off.
> > 
> 
> You need to grasp that CentOS is *not* run like a business.  It is a
> project worked on by others, for free, in ther spare time, most of them
> with technical interests.  You need to approach it in this manner.
> 
> You're going to get blown off if you come around acting like a paying
> customer deserving of support when you haven't contributed anything
> yourself persoanlly to the product.

i do not perceive it as a paying customer, and i was not the one that
brought that up. now that it has been brought up, what is the mission of
CentOS ?

> 
> This is open source etiquette.  It differs from business etiquette
> where you are more than welcoem to berate and yell and holler about
> things because you're paying someone a lot of money.

the etiquette is rudeness to promote open source? is this what you are
saying?

> 
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Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc


On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 17:00 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:

> On Thursday 05 June 2008 16:42:47 James Bunnell wrote:
> > ts been
> > nearly 2 weeks since any update of progress to 5.2 has been announced.
> 
> On May 22 it was estimated that it would take 3 weeks.  Did you really need 
> an 
> update on that?

i only asked. an answer such as what was given here earlier would have
sufficed. is that so hard?

> 
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On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 16:57 +0100, Martyn Drake wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:54 PM, James Bunnell
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > you expect people to use OSS and be treated like crap? being treated like
> > crap is the competitor's job.
> 
> Regardless of OSS or professional paid support - *nobody* deserves to
> receive abuse of any kind.  If you dislike the way you've been
> treated, you write and complain - nobody should ever need to resort to
> swearing or insults.  At all.

and i agree with you. banning in irc is an insult when based on nothing
but personal disagreement. swearing is a knee-jerk defense to the abuse
of irc operators and admittedly should not have happened.

> 
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On Thursday 05 June 2008 16:54:08 James Bunnell wrote:
> you expect people to use OSS and be treated like crap? being treated
> like crap is the competitor's job.
>
It's no-one's job to be treated like crap.  Under any circumstance.

> > You're not going to find many volunteers who react well to being cursed
> > at or otherwise abused verbally.
>
> and you're not going to find too many people in business that want to
> ask a question and are blatently put off.

Having been in business before my retirement, I can assure you that I was 
never rude to anyone I contacted.  Under any circumstance.

Anne

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Re: [CentOS] Network problems on new CentOS 5 install on P35, ICH9R mobo

2008-06-05 Thread Juan C. Valido

On Tue, 2008-06-03 at 23:49 +0100, Ned Slider wrote:
> Dick Roth wrote:
> > Juan C. Valido wrote:
> >> On Tue, 2008-06-03 at 06:09 -0400, Dick Roth wrote:
> >>> Had to replace dying cpu and mobo, so also replaced IDE with new SATA 
> >>> drive.  Installed from latest ISO onto SATA and can't get networking 
> >>> to lease an IP address from my ISP (Comcast).  The network utility 
> >>> always comes up with a private address (192.168.0.2) instead of 
> >>> Comcast IP.
> >>>
> >>> To add to confusion, if I boot into old IDE drive, I get proper 
> >>> network connection to internet, but lose my swap!
> >>>
> >>> Particulars:
> >>>
> >>> mobo=Gigabyte P35-DS3R
> >>> SATA Controller=AHCI
> >>> PATA Controller=JMicron 20360
> >>> new drive=ATA WDC WD1600AAJS-2
> >>> old drive=WDC WD400JB-00JJA0
> >>> DVD-RW=Pioneer DVR-112D (PATA)
> >>> NICs=eth0=Realtek RTL-8029(AS) (DHCP)
> >>>   eth1=Realtek RTL-8029(AS) (Static)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Has anyone seen this?  Will 5.2 help with this situation?  Been 
> >>> working on this for days!
> >>>
> >>>
> >> If it helps any, I tried installing 5,1 on a P35-DS3L and I believe I
> >> had issues with the network card, loaded RHEL 5.2 desktop and everything
> >> worked so maybe 5.2 will work for you.
> >>
> > 
> > Thanks for the info, Juan.  I'll just hold tight until 5.2 comes down 
> > the pike.
> > 
> > Dick
> > 
> > 
> 
> Release notes list the following Realtek drivers added, but I don't see 
> yours mentions:
> 
> http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/5.2/html/Release_Notes/x86/ar01s01.html
> 
> Network driver r8169 updated to add support for the following devices:
> 
>RTL8169sb/8110sb
>RTL8169sc/8110sc
>RTL8168b/8111b
>RTL8101e
>RTL8100e
> 
I don't know maybe it's not listed but it's compatible, I know that it
works. Same thing with OSX86, it works 

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Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 09:54:08AM -0600, James Bunnell wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 08:48 -0700, Ray Van Dolson wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 09:45:36AM -0600, James Bunnell wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 11:35 -0400, Ross S. W. Walker wrote:
> >
> > James Bunnell wrote:
> >
> > > i do pay for rhel. i made the mistake of converting to
> > > centos. damage is done. on the next major upgrade, i will
> > > return to rhel and will not professionally recommend centos
> > > either privately,personally, or in the realm of a business.
> > > thanks for seeing my side of the issue and not jumping on the
> > > elite bandwagon. i am done.
> >
> > Community base OSS solutions are not for everyone. Only the
> > end-user can decide if it works for them or not. I hope you will
> > see that once the anger subsides.
> >
> > -Ross
> >
> >
> > community based OSS also require a level of professionalism and 
> support. if
> > simple questions like asking for an update to the progress of a project 
> or
> > stating someone may be in error upsets one of the members of that 
> project,
> > maybe that person should not be involved.
> >
> 
> No, it doesn't require *anything*.  That said, CentOS does provide
> professionalism and support, but by no means is it a requirement.
> 
> 
> you expect people to use OSS and be treated like crap? being treated like crap
> is the competitor's job.

I expect people who feel they are treated like crap to do one of two
things:

  1. Get involved to try and make things better (I guess you could
  argue you are doing this albeit in a really ineffective manner :)
  2. Move on to antoher project

If CentOS noticed a huge decline in users they might be concerned about
this.  They haven't; you're probably the only one I've heard bringing
up this issue and honestly it sounds like you were the cause of the
problem.

This is not an issue for CentOS currently.

> 
> I would agree though, it sounds like RH is a better choice for your
> needs, and more specifically, a better fit for your method of
> interaction.
> 
> You're not going to find many volunteers who react well to being cursed
> at or otherwise abused verbally.
> 
> 
> and you're not going to find too many people in business that want to ask a
> question and are blatently put off.
> 

You need to grasp that CentOS is *not* run like a business.  It is a
project worked on by others, for free, in ther spare time, most of them
with technical interests.  You need to approach it in this manner.

You're going to get blown off if you come around acting like a paying
customer deserving of support when you haven't contributed anything
yourself persoanlly to the product.

This is open source etiquette.  It differs from business etiquette
where you are more than welcoem to berate and yell and holler about
things because you're paying someone a lot of money.

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Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

On Thursday 05 June 2008 16:42:47 James Bunnell wrote:
> ts been
> nearly 2 weeks since any update of progress to 5.2 has been announced.

On May 22 it was estimated that it would take 3 weeks.  Did you really need an 
update on that?

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Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread Martyn Drake

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:54 PM, James Bunnell
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> you expect people to use OSS and be treated like crap? being treated like
> crap is the competitor's job.

Regardless of OSS or professional paid support - *nobody* deserves to
receive abuse of any kind.  If you dislike the way you've been
treated, you write and complain - nobody should ever need to resort to
swearing or insults.  At all.

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Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc


On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 08:48 -0700, Ray Van Dolson wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 09:45:36AM -0600, James Bunnell wrote:
> > 
> > On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 11:35 -0400, Ross S. W. Walker wrote:
> > 
> > James Bunnell wrote:
> > 
> > > i do pay for rhel. i made the mistake of converting to
> > > centos. damage is done. on the next major upgrade, i will
> > > return to rhel and will not professionally recommend centos
> > > either privately,personally, or in the realm of a business.
> > > thanks for seeing my side of the issue and not jumping on the
> > > elite bandwagon. i am done.
> > 
> > Community base OSS solutions are not for everyone. Only the
> > end-user can decide if it works for them or not. I hope you will
> > see that once the anger subsides.
> > 
> > -Ross
> > 
> > 
> > community based OSS also require a level of professionalism and support. if
> > simple questions like asking for an update to the progress of a project or
> > stating someone may be in error upsets one of the members of that project,
> > maybe that person should not be involved.
> > 
> 
> No, it doesn't require *anything*.  That said, CentOS does provide
> professionalism and support, but by no means is it a requirement.

you expect people to use OSS and be treated like crap? being treated
like crap is the competitor's job.

> 
> I would agree though, it sounds like RH is a better choice for your
> needs, and more specifically, a better fit for your method of
> interaction.
> 
> You're not going to find many volunteers who react well to being cursed
> at or otherwise abused verbally.

and you're not going to find too many people in business that want to
ask a question and are blatently put off.

> 
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Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 09:45:36AM -0600, James Bunnell wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 11:35 -0400, Ross S. W. Walker wrote:
> 
> James Bunnell wrote:
> 
> > i do pay for rhel. i made the mistake of converting to
> > centos. damage is done. on the next major upgrade, i will
> > return to rhel and will not professionally recommend centos
> > either privately,personally, or in the realm of a business.
> > thanks for seeing my side of the issue and not jumping on the
> > elite bandwagon. i am done.
> 
> Community base OSS solutions are not for everyone. Only the
> end-user can decide if it works for them or not. I hope you will
> see that once the anger subsides.
> 
> -Ross
> 
> 
> community based OSS also require a level of professionalism and support. if
> simple questions like asking for an update to the progress of a project or
> stating someone may be in error upsets one of the members of that project,
> maybe that person should not be involved.
> 

No, it doesn't require *anything*.  That said, CentOS does provide
professionalism and support, but by no means is it a requirement.

I would agree though, it sounds like RH is a better choice for your
needs, and more specifically, a better fit for your method of
interaction.

You're not going to find many volunteers who react well to being cursed
at or otherwise abused verbally.

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RE: [CentOS] kernels and irc


On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 11:35 -0400, Ross S. W. Walker wrote:

> James Bunnell wrote:
> 
> > i do pay for rhel. i made the mistake of converting to 
> > centos. damage is done. on the next major upgrade, i will 
> > return to rhel and will not professionally recommend centos 
> > either privately,personally, or in the realm of a business. 
> > thanks for seeing my side of the issue and not jumping on the 
> > elite bandwagon. i am done. 
> 
> Community base OSS solutions are not for everyone. Only the
> end-user can decide if it works for them or not. I hope you will
> see that once the anger subsides.
> 
> -Ross

community based OSS also require a level of professionalism and support.
if simple questions like asking for an update to the progress of a
project or stating someone may be in error upsets one of the members of
that project, maybe that person should not be involved. 

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Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc


On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 17:00 +0200, Ralph Angenendt wrote:

> James Bunnell wrote:
> > I was in the #centos-social channel and simply stated that I noticed
> > CentOS 3-4 were getting a lot of updates. I also stated that the CentOS
> > 5 was one kernel behind, as in RHEL it is at -53, the gentlemen then
> > told me that I was wrong and it was at -21.
> 
> lftp ftp.redhat.com:/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise/5Server/en/os/SRPMS> ls 
> kernel* > kernel.list
> lftp ftp.redhat.com:/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise/5Server/en/os/SRPMS> exit
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$grep 53 kernel.list 
> -rw-rw-r--  2 ftpftp54464006 Feb 12 14:37 
> kernel-2.6.18-53.1.13.el5.src.rpm
> -rw-rw-r--  2 ftpftp54492476 Mar 03 09:40 
> kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5.src.rpm
> -rw-rw-r--  2 ftpftp54521781 May 04 07:52 
> kernel-2.6.18-53.1.19.el5.src.rpm
> -rw-rw-r--  2 ftpftp54540423 May 19 09:58 
> kernel-2.6.18-53.1.21.el5.src.rpm
> -rw-rw-r--  2 ftpftp54421174 Nov 28  2007 
> kernel-2.6.18-53.1.4.el5.src.rpm
> -rw-rw-r--  2 ftpftp54461630 Jan 18 11:29 
> kernel-2.6.18-53.1.6.el5.src.rpm
> -rw-rw-r--  1 ftpftp54386174 Oct 11  2007 kernel-2.6.18-53.el5.src.rpm
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$
> 
> So which kernel would that -53 be? The one from October 11th, 2007?

look like they are all -53 to me, i dont see the point.

> 
> > I then asked if there was a way to get a progress report somehow on
> > 5.2, and that 5.2 has already upgraded that kernel. The result was
> > that I was banned for being correct. 
> 
> a) #centos-social is not a support channel, as that channel's topic
>clearly states.
> 
> b) The ban was *not* for you being correct (because you are not, 5.2
>will have 2.6.18-92, but for your behaviour over the last days/weeks and
>your *constantly* asking about progress on 5.2 (and getting the answer 
>everybody getsdoes, see http://planet.centos.org/).
> 
> > I dont understand this kind of support.
> 
> I don't understand why you came here to whine about that.   

weeks,days, ive been quiet. i believe you too have overreacted. its been
nearly 2 weeks since any update of progress to 5.2 has been announced.
why would that be rude or wrong to ask for? and btw, i am not the only
one that has asked for an update. and ive been polite in my initial
questions. response determines response.

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Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc


On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 10:59 -0400, Jim Perrin wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:35 AM, James Bunnell
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I was in the #centos-social channel and simply stated that I noticed CentOS
> > 3-4 were getting a lot of updates. I also stated that the CentOS 5 was one
> > kernel behind, as in RHEL it is at -53, the gentlemen then told me that I
> > was wrong and it was at -21. I then asked if there was a way to get a
> > progress report somehow on 5.2, and that 5.2 has already upgraded that
> > kernel. The result was that I was banned for being correct. I dont
> > understand this kind of support.
> 
> 
> Actually no.  I banned you for 15 minutes because you were being
> profane, pedantic about verbiage. The user trying to help you had
> already complained about typos and such, and was using kernel
> shorthand since the -53.1. is common to the more recent kernels being
> discussed at the time. I warned you twice to stop being quite so
> pedantic, kicked you twice (since you were unwilling to take the hint
> the first time) and finally resorted to the ban when you began to spew
> insults and profanity.  If you want support from folks who will take
> verbal abuse, buy a RHEL license. Otherwise, play by the channel rules
> and be nice to others (yes, for those of you who know me, I *can* say
> that with a straight face most of the time).
> 
> Crying about an irc ban on the mailing list is simply a way to have
> the last word. If you want it, it's yours. The ban was temporary to
> allow all parties time to cool down, and I'm done with the entire
> issue. Hopefully you are as well.

that being said, irc is a poor representation of centos, i have enjoyed
the mailing list and have mostly lurked here. i think you overreact to
simple questions that could be answered very simply with an intelligent
updated answer rather that was said and this whole thing would have been
avoided. you did not try to help, you simply threw warnings and said
nothing.

> 
> 
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RE: [CentOS] kernels and irc

James Bunnell wrote:

> i do pay for rhel. i made the mistake of converting to 
> centos. damage is done. on the next major upgrade, i will 
> return to rhel and will not professionally recommend centos 
> either privately,personally, or in the realm of a business. 
> thanks for seeing my side of the issue and not jumping on the 
> elite bandwagon. i am done. 

Community base OSS solutions are not for everyone. Only the
end-user can decide if it works for them or not. I hope you will
see that once the anger subsides.

-Ross

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Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc


On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 15:54 +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote:

> James Bunnell wrote:
> > I was in the #centos-social channel and simply stated that I noticed
> > CentOS 3-4 were getting a lot of updates. I also stated that the CentOS
> > 5 was one kernel behind, as in RHEL it is at -53, the gentlemen then
> > told me that I was wrong and it was at -21. I then asked if there was a
> > way to get a progress report somehow on 5.2, and that 5.2 has already
> > upgraded that kernel. The result was that I was banned for being
> > correct. I dont understand this kind of support.
> 
> Progress report on 5.2 : it will be ready in a few days, expect release 
> in a few weeks.


thank you, this is all i have asked for, and no one until now has had an
update since the planet.centos.org posting. thanks.

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Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc


On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 09:57 -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote:

> James Bunnell wrote:
> > I was in the #centos-social channel and simply stated that I noticed
> > CentOS 3-4 were getting a lot of updates. I also stated that the CentOS
> > 5 was one kernel behind, as in RHEL it is at -53, the gentlemen then
> > told me that I was wrong and it was at -21. I then asked if there was a
> > way to get a progress report somehow on 5.2, and that 5.2 has already
> > upgraded that kernel. The result was that I was banned for being
> > correct. I dont understand this kind of support.
> 
> You are NOT correct ...
> 
> The latest NON 5.2 kernel is:
> 
> ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise/5Client/en/os/SRPMS/kernel-2.6.18-53.1.21.el5.src.rpm

looks like -53 to me

> 
> The latest 5.2 kernel is:
> 
> ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise/5Client/en/os/SRPMS/kernel-2.6.18-92.1.1.el5.src.rpm

this is a new kernel as of today, may 22 compilation date

> 
> As far as being banned on an IRC Channel ... I am sure you were warned 
> first.  CentOS is manned by volunteers.  If you want to argue with the 
> people who are on IRC after they tell you not to, then you will be banned.

yes i was warned, however, can they not admit when they are wrong? and
because its volunteers (like debian), all the more reason to be
professional.

> 
> The CentOS project trusts the judgment of our forum moderators and our 
> IRC ops ... if they ban you then you are banned.  We are not a for 
> profit company where you pay us for service and can be disrespectful to 
> our employees.  You will instead have to be polite in your disagreements.

i have been polite for weeks. i finally had a enough of being polite and
just being told, 'it will be release when its ready.' that is not a
professional answer. is it too much to ask for an update?

> 
> If this is a problem, I suggest that you find a paid for service 
> contract where you can be rude to the people with whom you interact.

i do pay for rhel. i made the mistake of converting to centos. damage is
done. on the next major upgrade, i will return to rhel and will not
professionally recommend centos either privately,personally, or in the
realm of a business. thanks for seeing my side of the issue and not
jumping on the elite bandwagon. i am done.

> 
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Re: [CentOS] tzdata, Greenwich zone: URGENT!

On Thursday 05 June 2008 11:14:16 Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Anne Wilson wrote:
> > This is driving me crazy.  Now I can make an appointment for 10a.m., and
> > depending on which computer I use to read the korganizer file it may show
> > up as 10a.m. or 11a.m., and there's no indication, of course, which
> > computer originated the entry, so I can't tell which is the correct
> > version.
>
> make sure the Hardware clock on all the machine is correct ( or setup
> and run ntpd ) and make sure that they are all on a valid timezone (
> just typing 'date' on the command line should tell you ). If that still
> does not resolve the issue I'd guess your next action would be to post
> on the kde lists about this issue. Perhaps you have different versions
> of the same s/w on different machines - and they handle timezone
> adjustments differently ( as in, one version does, and another does not )

I still can't find the difference between the boxes.  KDE - it's possible.  
I've tried to ask a couple of times, but haven't managed to get the message 
clear enough to get an answer.  The whole thing is extremely confusing.  If I 
solve it I'll post the resolution, for the sake of the archives.

Anne

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Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread Ralph Angenendt

James Bunnell wrote:
> I was in the #centos-social channel and simply stated that I noticed
> CentOS 3-4 were getting a lot of updates. I also stated that the CentOS
> 5 was one kernel behind, as in RHEL it is at -53, the gentlemen then
> told me that I was wrong and it was at -21.

lftp ftp.redhat.com:/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise/5Server/en/os/SRPMS> ls 
kernel* > kernel.list
lftp ftp.redhat.com:/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise/5Server/en/os/SRPMS> exit
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$grep 53 kernel.list 
-rw-rw-r--  2 ftpftp54464006 Feb 12 14:37 
kernel-2.6.18-53.1.13.el5.src.rpm
-rw-rw-r--  2 ftpftp54492476 Mar 03 09:40 
kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5.src.rpm
-rw-rw-r--  2 ftpftp54521781 May 04 07:52 
kernel-2.6.18-53.1.19.el5.src.rpm
-rw-rw-r--  2 ftpftp54540423 May 19 09:58 
kernel-2.6.18-53.1.21.el5.src.rpm
-rw-rw-r--  2 ftpftp54421174 Nov 28  2007 
kernel-2.6.18-53.1.4.el5.src.rpm
-rw-rw-r--  2 ftpftp54461630 Jan 18 11:29 
kernel-2.6.18-53.1.6.el5.src.rpm
-rw-rw-r--  1 ftpftp54386174 Oct 11  2007 kernel-2.6.18-53.el5.src.rpm
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$

So which kernel would that -53 be? The one from October 11th, 2007?

> I then asked if there was a way to get a progress report somehow on
> 5.2, and that 5.2 has already upgraded that kernel. The result was
> that I was banned for being correct. 

a) #centos-social is not a support channel, as that channel's topic
   clearly states.

b) The ban was *not* for you being correct (because you are not, 5.2
   will have 2.6.18-92, but for your behaviour over the last days/weeks and
   your *constantly* asking about progress on 5.2 (and getting the answer 
   everybody getsdoes, see http://planet.centos.org/).

> I dont understand this kind of support.

I don't understand why you came here to whine about that.   

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread Jim Perrin

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:35 AM, James Bunnell
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was in the #centos-social channel and simply stated that I noticed CentOS
> 3-4 were getting a lot of updates. I also stated that the CentOS 5 was one
> kernel behind, as in RHEL it is at -53, the gentlemen then told me that I
> was wrong and it was at -21. I then asked if there was a way to get a
> progress report somehow on 5.2, and that 5.2 has already upgraded that
> kernel. The result was that I was banned for being correct. I dont
> understand this kind of support.

Actually no.  I banned you for 15 minutes because you were being
profane, pedantic about verbiage. The user trying to help you had
already complained about typos and such, and was using kernel
shorthand since the -53.1. is common to the more recent kernels being
discussed at the time. I warned you twice to stop being quite so
pedantic, kicked you twice (since you were unwilling to take the hint
the first time) and finally resorted to the ban when you began to spew
insults and profanity.  If you want support from folks who will take
verbal abuse, buy a RHEL license. Otherwise, play by the channel rules
and be nice to others (yes, for those of you who know me, I *can* say
that with a straight face most of the time).

Crying about an irc ban on the mailing list is simply a way to have
the last word. If you want it, it's yours. The ban was temporary to
allow all parties time to cool down, and I'm done with the entire
issue. Hopefully you are as well.

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Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

James Bunnell wrote:

I was in the #centos-social channel and simply stated that I noticed
CentOS 3-4 were getting a lot of updates. I also stated that the CentOS
5 was one kernel behind, as in RHEL it is at -53, the gentlemen then
told me that I was wrong and it was at -21. I then asked if there was a
way to get a progress report somehow on 5.2, and that 5.2 has already
upgraded that kernel. The result was that I was banned for being
correct. I dont understand this kind of support.

You are NOT correct ...

The latest NON 5.2 kernel is:

ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise/5Client/en/os/SRPMS/kernel-2.6.18-53.1.21.el5.src.rpm

The latest 5.2 kernel is:

ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise/5Client/en/os/SRPMS/kernel-2.6.18-92.1.1.el5.src.rpm

As far as being banned on an IRC Channel ... I am sure you were warned
first. CentOS is manned by volunteers. If you want to argue with the
people who are on IRC after they tell you not to, then you will be banned.

The CentOS project trusts the judgment of our forum moderators and our
IRC ops ... if they ban you then you are banned. We are not a for
profit company where you pay us for service and can be disrespectful to
our employees. You will instead have to be polite in your disagreements.

If this is a problem, I suggest that you find a paid for service
contract where you can be rude to the people with whom you interact.

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes

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Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc


James Bunnell wrote:

I was in the #centos-social channel and simply stated that I noticed
CentOS 3-4 were getting a lot of updates. I also stated that the CentOS
5 was one kernel behind, as in RHEL it is at -53, the gentlemen then
told me that I was wrong and it was at -21. I then asked if there was a
way to get a progress report somehow on 5.2, and that 5.2 has already
upgraded that kernel. The result was that I was banned for being
correct. I dont understand this kind of support.


Progress report on 5.2 : it will be ready in a few days, expect release 
in a few weeks.


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[CentOS] kernels and irc

I was in the #centos-social channel and simply stated that I noticed
CentOS 3-4 were getting a lot of updates. I also stated that the CentOS
5 was one kernel behind, as in RHEL it is at -53, the gentlemen then
told me that I was wrong and it was at -21. I then asked if there was a
way to get a progress report somehow on 5.2, and that 5.2 has already
upgraded that kernel. The result was that I was banned for being
correct. I dont understand this kind of support.
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Re: [CentOS] General CentOS 5.1 (or Gnome) instability?


Alfred von Campe wrote:
I've been a big fan of CentOS for a while, and didn't have many issues 
with CentOS 4.X over the past few years.  However, since moving to 
CentOS 5.1 a few weeks ago, I have received more problem reports from my 
users than in the last year and a half on CentOS 4.X.  I've previously 
reported the problem with gnome-terminal crashing (and since there is a 
single gnome-terminal process by default all your terminal windows 
disappear which makes this really painful), and now I'm getting multiple 
reports of Gnome applets suddenly quitting.  Sometimes this includes the 
entire screen "flashing" (probably a side effect of the "Show Desktop" 
applet exiting).  I've also had reports of some third party tools like 
SlickEdit misbehaving and/or crashing on CentOS 5.1.


Don't get me wrong; I'm not really complaining about CentOS.  I really 
appreciate what the CentOS team does.  I am just wondering if anyone 
else has seen these issues.  If it was just one or two users, I would 
suspect the hardware or some configuration issues.  But these issues 
started cropping up after I upgraded our existing systems to CentOS 
5.1.  The "upgrade" was a complete reinstall via a kickstart script (I 
reformatted all partitions/LVs except for one), and all systems are 
configured identically.  BTW, I'm using CentOS for our desktops as well 
as our servers, and all these problems are really confined to the 
desktop systems.  Almost everyone uses the default Gnome desktop.


So, does anyone else have the perception that CentOS 5.X (particularly 
Gnome) is a little less stable than CentOS 4.X or is it just me?


I am not having any issues with CentOS 5 and Gnome ... I have been using 
it as my primary desktop since before the 5.0Beta stage.


I would initially start out but looking at any 3rd party installed products.

Also, if the hardware is the same, it might be something related to that 
motherboard chipset and centos-5 kernels.  I would see if you have the 
latest BIOS for the hardware as there may be APIC/ACPI issues that can 
effect kernel, udev, hald, etc.


I have zero issues here ... but I do NOT use yum-updated or any of its 
applets.


Thanks,
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Re: [CentOS] Mounting cifs shares by non-root users on CentOS 4.6


James Pearson wrote:

% mount /mnt/win
mount error: permission denied or not superuser and mount.cifs not
installed SUID


I've not used smb in years now, but i recall needing to suid
/usr/bin/smbmount ( the actual code that does the work ) in CentOS-4
to make this work.


cifs mounts don't use smbmount - they use mount.cifs ...

I've tried various combinations of options etc, but cannot get the
mounts to work for non-root users ... so I've given up and done what is
needed via sudo ...


ok, my point was that something under the hood needed suid for this to 
work. Not sure why cifs should not work though. Might be worth 
investigating.


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Re: [CentOS] Mounting cifs shares by non-root users on CentOS 4.6

2008-06-05 Thread James Pearson


Karanbir Singh wrote:

James Pearson wrote:


% mount /mnt/win
mount error: permission denied or not superuser and mount.cifs not 
installed SUID




I've not used smb in years now, but i recall needing to suid 
/usr/bin/smbmount ( the actual code that does the work ) in CentOS-4 to 
make this work.


cifs mounts don't use smbmount - they use mount.cifs ...

I've tried various combinations of options etc, but cannot get the 
mounts to work for non-root users ... so I've given up and done what is 
needed via sudo ...


James Pearson

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RE: [CentOS] sendmail and spam .. thanks

2008-06-05 Thread Alain Terriault, Mr.

Thanks, This is a very useful mailing list and CentOS works like charm
on PowerEdge hardware.
Merci, alain

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Re: [CentOS] Re: DMA mode

2008-06-05 Thread David Mackintosh

On Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 10:17:14AM +0200, Tom G. Christensen wrote:
 
> Google suggests booting with ide0=noprobe ide1=noprobe to make sure the 
> ata-piix driver is used.
> If you don't want to reinstall then make sure initrd contains the 
> ata-piix driver and that references to /dev/hd* are replaced with 
> /dev/sd* in fstab etc.

Hi Tom,

I can also confirm that this works, thank you for the assistance.

Can I ask what you used as your google query?  I think I missed
something obvious.

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[CentOS] CentOS-announce Digest, Vol 40, Issue 2

2008-06-05 Thread centos-announce-request

4.c4.2.s390x.rpm
updates/s390x/RPMS/evolution-devel-2.0.2-35.0.4.c4.2.s390x.rpm


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CentOS Errata and Security Advisory 2008:0516

https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2008-0516.html

The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently
syncing to the mirrors:

s390:
updates/s390/RPMS/evolution-1.4.5-22.el3.s390.rpm
updates/s390/RPMS/evolution-devel-1.4.5-22.el3.s390.rpm

s390x:
updates/s390x/RPMS/evolution-1.4.5-22.el3.s390x.rpm
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CentOS Errata and Security Advisory 2008:0515

https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2008-0515.html

The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently
syncing to the mirrors:

s390:
updates/s390/RPMS/evolution28-2.8.0-53.el4_6.3.s390.rpm
updates/s390/RPMS/evolution28-devel-2.8.0-53.el4_6.3.s390.rpm

s390x:
updates/s390x/RPMS/evolution28-2.8.0-53.el4_6.3.s390x.rpm
updates/s390x/RPMS/evolution28-devel-2.8.0-53.el4_6.3.s390x.rpm


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Re: [CentOS] Mounting cifs shares by non-root users on CentOS 4.6

2008-06-05 Thread Pierre Reinbold


Karanbir Singh a écrit :

James Pearson wrote:

% mount /mnt/win
mount error: permission denied or not superuser and mount.cifs not 
installed SUID




I've not used smb in years now, but i recall needing to suid 
/usr/bin/smbmount ( the actual code that does the work ) in CentOS-4 to 
make this work.




From CentOS 5, I set suid /sbin/mount.cifs and /sbin/umount.cifs and 
link them to /usr/bin/smbmount and /usr/bin/smbumount (for backward 
compatibility :-)).



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Re: [CentOS] sendmail and spam

2008-06-05 Thread Michel van Deventer

Hi,

On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 00:23 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
> Alain Terriault wrote:
> >
> > What is todays most effective combination to filter spam ?
> > 
> > On my old Redhat 3 system I used Sendmail and Spamassasin .. it was
> > good, but with the current setup we are getting way to much spam.
> > 
> > Looking around I found new players, well some I did not know then and
> > they are very interesting..
> > 
> > MailScanner .. http://www.mailscanner.info/
> > Sagator .. http://www.salstar.sk/sagator/
> > Smf .. http://smfs.sourceforge.net/index.html
> > dspam .. http://dspam.nuclearelephant.com/index.shtml
> > 
> > I am tempted to go with smfs because it is familiar .. but, mailscanner
> > seems popular
> 
> Another good choice is MimeDefang (http://www.mimedefang.org/).
> There are rpms of it and clamav in the rpmforge repo.
> 
I use a combination of Postfix with rbl, spamassassin, clamav and
amavisd. It filters about 95-98% of my spam. I also have a spamcop
account to report the spam that gets through.

Regards,

Michel


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Re: [CentOS] tzdata, Greenwich zone: URGENT!


Anne Wilson wrote:
This is driving me crazy.  Now I can make an appointment for 10a.m., and 
depending on which computer I use to read the korganizer file it may show up 
as 10a.m. or 11a.m., and there's no indication, of course, which computer 
originated the entry, so I can't tell which is the correct version.


make sure the Hardware clock on all the machine is correct ( or setup 
and run ntpd ) and make sure that they are all on a valid timezone ( 
just typing 'date' on the command line should tell you ). If that still 
does not resolve the issue I'd guess your next action would be to post 
on the kde lists about this issue. Perhaps you have different versions 
of the same s/w on different machines - and they handle timezone 
adjustments differently ( as in, one version does, and another does not )


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