[CentOS] Re: Rebuild of kernel 2.6.9-67.0.20.EL failure

[John]

"Michael Ekstrand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef 
in bericht news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> writes:
>> Does anybody knows what I do miss or what is going wrong?
>
> I'm not sure, but...
>
>> For the curios:
>> Why to recompile the kernel?
>> I want to rebuild the kernel because I created a patch to decrease the
>> kernel timer frequency from 1000 to 100 HZ. The CentOS4.6 kernel doesn't
>> have the divider option available in CentOS5.2  This prevent timing 
>> problems
>> and high CPU load  in VMware ESX.
>
> kernel-vm packages have already been prepared that make this exact
> change.  See this forum post[1] for links to RPMs of this kernel.  Will
> those meet your needs?
>
> - Michael
>
> 1. 
> http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=51552&topic_id=14671
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Yes, the -vm packages provides what I intended to do, by building a custom 
kernel myself.
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Re: [CentOS] Acer 5920 audio chip does not work in CentOS 5.2?

[hce]

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:20 PM, William L. Maltby
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 23:51 -0500, Alex White wrote:
> hce wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've installed CentOS 5.2 to a laptop Acer 5920 for dual boot, the
>> audio works in Window Vista, but does not work in CentOS 5.2. Does
>> CentOS 5.2 support following audio chip or not?
>>
>> Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio
>> Controller (rev 03)
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Jim
>>
> When you say it doesn't work, are you getting an error message
> saying that there's no sound device?

No.

>> Does lspci list your soundcard? If you have a super long list and
>> can't locate it easily, you can try (but I can't promise this will
>> work for you, it does for me however) lspci | grep audio

Please see following lspci information for the audio, seems ok.

00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio
Controller (rev 03)
Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Unknown device 0121
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 66
Memory at f050 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
Capabilities: 

> If I recall you're using gnome. You should (but may not) have a
> volume icon on your panel. Right click that icon and ensure that the
> mute box is not checked. If it's not checked, select "Open Volume
> Control" and make sure your volume is turned up. If you still do not
> have sound try right clicking the volume speaker icon again and
> selecting "Preferences". Make sure that the correct device is selected.

All checked, no problem at all.

> Be aware that the volume control panel default settings may not show all
> the pertinent controls. In that panel you may need to edit preferences
> to show such things as PCM control, etc. Some of these may also be muted
> and/or set to very low volumes.

The Volume Control Preference is set to:

HDA Intel (Alsa mixer)

PCM

Mute is not checked, and the volumes are adjusted to maximum levels.

Thank you.

Kind Regards,

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Re: [CentOS] Want to _prevent_ upgrade to centos 5.2

[Alex White]

Ben Marsh wrote:

Hi,

With the release of 5.2  "yum update" seems to be upgrading our 
computers from CentOS 5.1 to CentOS 5.2.  I note from release notes for 
5.2 that you are only supposed to get 5.2 if you type in "yum upgrade".  
On two  seperate machines entering "yum update" has resulted in yum 
geting repo information for packages with versions that only exist in 
the base repository of centos 5.2.




yum update will update your machine to the most current packages 
just like yum upgrade unless you've modified your /etc/yum.conf to 
remove obsoletes=1.


Per the man page yum update with obsoletes enabled is the same as 
yum upgrade. I believe that if you want to remain at 5.1 you'll have 
to stop updating. It is expected that running yum update will bring 
you forward to 5.2.


Can I stop this from happening?  Ideally I would like to stay on a 
particulare version of CentOS eg 5.2 until we can do a controlled 
upgrade.  Maybe we have the same problem as having stable specified in a 
debian sources.list where what is meant by stable changes when a new 
version of debian is released.


You're going to be missing security updates. This has been discussed 
here before. The minor number could be compared to a service pack 
from the Windows world. Depending on one's environment, one may not 
want to necessarily throw the latest service packs into production 
right away either.


HTH

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Re: [CentOS] Re: is CentOS an LSB certified product?

[Nicholas]

;)

Yes, thats another problem.

Les Mikesell wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

Its not a matter of licensing.

Since the days of various Linux distros, coming up with diff schemes 
made it difficult for developers to target a Linux. Hence the need to 
give the source, go compile in your own system mentality. This puts 
off many non techie ppl.


Just imagine when a driver or application can be packaged 
irregardless of the linux distro and it doesnt need a technical 
person to install. Wont this makes it easier for entry into Linux? 
for end-user and developers?


That sounds nice, but it would be a lot more believable if we hadn't 
already been through several version of LSB specs without any such 
thing happening.






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Re: [CentOS] Re: is CentOS an LSB certified product?

[Les Mikesell]

Nicholas wrote:

Its not a matter of licensing.

Since the days of various Linux distros, coming up with diff schemes 
made it difficult for developers to target a Linux. Hence the need to 
give the source, go compile in your own system mentality. This puts off 
many non techie ppl.


Just imagine when a driver or application can be packaged irregardless 
of the linux distro and it doesnt need a technical person to install. 
Wont this makes it easier for entry into Linux? for end-user and 
developers?


That sounds nice, but it would be a lot more believable if we hadn't 
already been through several version of LSB specs without any such thing 
happening.


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[CentOS] Want to _prevent_ upgrade to centos 5.2

[Ben Marsh]

Hi,

With the release of 5.2  "yum update" seems to be upgrading our 
computers from CentOS 5.1 to CentOS 5.2.  I note from release notes for 
5.2 that you are only supposed to get 5.2 if you type in "yum upgrade".  
On two  seperate machines entering "yum update" has resulted in yum 
geting repo information for packages with versions that only exist in 
the base repository of centos 5.2.


The following snippet shows the beginning of yum update on a x86_64 
server.  It has noticed python-2.4.3-21.el5.x86_64,  
ltrace-0.5-7.45svn.el5.x86_64 and system-config-securitylevel-tui.x86_64 
0:1.6.29.1-2.1.el5 which are a CentOs 5.2 package.  On a workstation yum 
update resulted in upgrade of firefox from 1.5 to 3.0-0 beta5.


Can I stop this from happening?  Ideally I would like to stay on a 
particulare version of CentOS eg 5.2 until we can do a controlled 
upgrade.  Maybe we have the same problem as having stable specified in a 
debian sources.list where what is meant by stable changes when a new 
version of debian is released.



[EMAIL PROTECTED] yum.repos.d]# yum update
Loading "installonlyn" plugin
Loading "dellsysidplugin" plugin
Setting up Update Process
Setting up repositories
epel  100% |=| 1.1 kB00:00
dell-hardware-auto100% |=|  951 B00:00
extras100% |=| 1.1 kB00:00
updates   100% |=|  951 B00:00
base  100% |=| 1.1 kB00:00
addons100% |=|  951 B00:00
dell-hardware-main100% |=|  951 B00:00
Reading repository metadata in from local files
primary.xml.gz100% |=| 1.0 MB00:05
## 3431/3431
primary.xml.gz100% |=|  86 kB00:00
## 235/235
primary.xml.gz100% |=|  88 kB00:01
## 183/183
Resolving Dependencies
--> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
---> Downloading header for nspr to pack into transaction set.
nspr-4.7.0.99.2-1.el5.x86 100% |=| 5.5 kB00:00
---> Package nspr.x86_64 0:4.7.0.99.2-1.el5 set to be updated
---> Downloading header for python to pack into transaction set.
python-2.4.3-21.el5.x86_6 100% |=| 225 kB00:01
---> Package python.x86_64 0:2.4.3-21.el5 set to be updated
---> Downloading header for pam to pack into transaction set.
pam-0.99.6.2-3.27.el5.i38 100% |=|  84 kB00:00
---> Package pam.i386 0:0.99.6.2-3.27.el5 set to be updated
---> Downloading header for ltrace to pack into transaction set.
ltrace-0.5-7.45svn.el5.x8 100% |=| 8.1 kB00:00
---> Package ltrace.x86_64 0:0.5-7.45svn.el5 set to be updated
---> Downloading header for system-config-securitylevel-tui to pack into 
transaction set.

system-config-securitylev 100% |=|  29 kB00:00
---> Package system-config-securitylevel-tui.x86_64 0:1.6.29.1-2.1.el5 
set to be updated



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RE: [CentOS] EPIA-M board for Centos

[Joseph L. Casale]

>the new generation ( well, anything in the last 2 years or so ) JMicron
>'s are all 100% AHCI compatible and do a fairly good job of just being a
>sata interface, and I've not seen a JMicron pata interface in years..
>not sure if they even make those anymore.

Well, I admit my inquiry was not CentOS relevant :) Thinstation does not
have support for that stuff as it seems! And that is what I would need to use.

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Re: [CentOS] Re: is CentOS an LSB certified product?

[Nicholas]

Its not a matter of licensing.

Since the days of various Linux distros, coming up with diff schemes 
made it difficult for developers to target a Linux. Hence the need to 
give the source, go compile in your own system mentality. This puts off 
many non techie ppl.


Just imagine when a driver or application can be packaged irregardless 
of the linux distro and it doesnt need a technical person to install. 
Wont this makes it easier for entry into Linux? for end-user and developers?



Rudi Ahlers wrote:

Ross S. W. Walker wrote:

Rudi Ahlers wrote:

 
Sorry to ask this, but what exactly is the LSB? What will CentOS 
(and probably) the community gain from it? I mean, apart from RedHat 
Enterprise, Suse Enterpise and the other commercial Linux's, most 
other linuxes are not certified AFAIK.


I know CentOS stands out above the rest in many areas, and is very 
close to RedHat, in many aspects. But won't a certification shove it 
into the commercial software "class"



LSB or Linux Standard Base, is a way of assuring VARs, developers and
contractors that the Linux systems that are certified under this all
have a standard file system structure and contain a defined set of
minimum system utilities.

This way when they write software they can be rest assured that if the
system is LSB certified that it will contain the 'bash' utility, that
utility will be in /usr/bin, man pages will be in /usr/share/man, etc.

This way they only have to write 1 set of installation packages and
not a separate package for each Linux distribution they wish to
develop for.

-Ross

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licensing at all.




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Re: [CentOS] African IP addresses list

[Sean Carolan]

>
>
> Ever heard of the Western Union scam?


Yes, it usually goes something like this:

Scammer emails an online business asking if he can over-pay you with a
check.  The check looks just like any other business check and is often
printed with the name of a real bank.  The scammer then asks you to send him
back the balance via Western Union.  He walks down to the local Western
Union office, picks up his moneygram and goes on his merry way.

Western Union is a relatively safe and convenient way to transport money to
or from international destinations, hence the 419 scammers like to use it as
a way to receive funds.
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Re: [CentOS] Copy of own messages

[Filipe Brandenburger]

I noticed that behaviour too.

Since then, whenever I start a new thread, just after sending the
message I click on "see sent message" (or something to that effect)
and then I tag it with "centos" or whatever tag is appropriate for
that list. Apart from the [CentOS] tag on the subject, that fixes it
for me.

HTH,
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Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

[Les Mikesell]

Sorin Srbu wrote:




Rudi Ahlers wrote:

Grow data online, convert between RAID levels online, migrate data
between spindle types(FC<->SATA) online etc. Create a volume, and
you never have to worry about answering the question 'is it really
optimal?' because you can change it at any time without application
impact or downtime.


Sounds awfully expensive. True?


Most of them are, but you can add whole shelves of disks.  I'm not sure 
it matters so much in a case that holds six drives that you fill from 
the start and then have nowhere to grow anyway.


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Re: [CentOS] EPIA-M board for Centos

[Peter Arremann]

On Tuesday 01 July 2008 06:24:55 pm Joseph L. Casale wrote:
> Peter,
> Does that unit support pxe and what type of pata controller is on it?
> It doesn't use those newer generation jmicron (and variations) does it?
> I need to build a few pxe booted thinclients for use with rdesktop and
> those look good!
>
> thanks,
> jlc

Its based around a Intel 945GC and ICH7 - so no issues there with the pata 
controller.
However, what you may need is the realtek driver - compiled fine for RHEL 5.2. 
F9 worked for me but others say it doesn't... 
Haven't tried PXE boot.

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Re: [CentOS] Rescan /dev/sd* without reboot?

[nate]

Rainer Duffner wrote:

> I can't believe that nobody needs that in Linux-land.
> If you enlarge the LUN on the SAN for a Linux-volume, you end-up with
> a 2nd partition behind the first - you'd need to do some nasty,
> dangerous disklabel-manipulations to fix that.
> I end-up just adding another LUN and using LVM to piece them
> together. Of course, having multiple LUNs from a SAN in an LVM makes
> it next to impossible to create a consistent snapshot (via the SAN's
> snapshot functionality) in case the SAN (like all HP EVAs, AFAIK) can
> only do one snapshot of a LUN at exactly the same time.

Increasing amounts of storage arrays support thin provisioning.
I made extensive use of this technology at my last company. Say you
need 100GB today but may need to grow later. You can create a 1TB
volume, export it to the host, and depending on disk usage patterns
optionally create a 100GB LVM. Fill up that LVM, and while you
have a 1TB drive exported to the system, only 100GB of space is
utilized on the array. Increase the size of the LVM with lvextend
and off you go. No fuss no muss (?).

If your application's space usage characteristics are such that
it doesn't consume large amounts of space and then free it, you
can create that 1TB volume off the bat and never have to worry
about extending it(until you get to that 1TB). Or create a 2TB
volume(or bigger). Thin provisioning is a one-way trip, once the
space is allocated(on the array) it cannot be "freed". Though I
read a storage blog where a NetApp guy talked about a utility they
have to reclaim space from TP volumes running on NTFS, haven't
seen anything for linux(and the guy warned it's a very I/O intensive
operation). For me for apps that are sloppy with space I just
restrict their usage with LVM, that way I know I can easily extend
stuff and still control growth with an iron fist if I so desire.

At my last company I achieved 400% over subscription with thin
provisioning. It did take several months of closely watching
the space utilization characteristics of the various applications
to determine the most optimal storage configuration. The vendor
says on average customers save about 50% space using this
technology.

If it turns out you never use more than 100GB, there's nothing
lost, the rest of the space is available to be allocated to
other systems. No waste.

I'm optimistic that in the coming years the standard files systems
will include more intelligence with regards to thin provisioning,
that is being able to mark freed space in such a way that the array
can determine with certainty that it is not being used any more
and reclaim it. And also intelligently re-use recently deleted blocks
before allocating new(to some extent they do this already but it's
not good enough). Thin provisioning has really started to take off
in the past year or so the number of storage vendors supporting it
has gone up 10x. How well it actually works depends on the vendor,
some of the architecture's out there are better than others.

nate

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Re: [CentOS] Rescan /dev/sd* without reboot?

[Rainer Duffner]

Am 02.07.2008 um 00:17 schrieb John R Pierce:


Joseph L. Casale wrote:

This is an old way of doing it but it's worked fine for me over the
years.



I think the new way is documented here:
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7321



i've had very good luck with

echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host?/scan

replacing ? with the proper scsi/fiberchannel host channel #

done this on online systems with minimal impact to other in-use  
drives.






Personally, I find this a very sad state of affairs.
Why on earth is there no API to rescan the SCSI-bus (and the fabric)?

There's also Kurt Garloff's rescan-scsi-bus.sh script (haven't used  
it in a while and not on RHEL5).


FYI: In W2K3, you enlarge the LUN on the SAN, use diskpart.exe to  
enlarge the volume...and that's it!

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/325590/en-us

I can't believe that nobody needs that in Linux-land.
If you enlarge the LUN on the SAN for a Linux-volume, you end-up with  
a 2nd partition behind the first - you'd need to do some nasty,  
dangerous disklabel-manipulations to fix that.
I end-up just adding another LUN and using LVM to piece them  
together. Of course, having multiple LUNs from a SAN in an LVM makes  
it next to impossible to create a consistent snapshot (via the SAN's  
snapshot functionality) in case the SAN (like all HP EVAs, AFAIK) can  
only do one snapshot of a LUN at exactly the same time.
(And lately, we use ZFS and a cheap MSA70 that eliminates most these  
inconveniences and happens to save a huge amount of money compared to  
a SAN from HP).




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[CentOS] Re: /etc/passwd.rpmnew changes "x" to "*"

[Scott Silva]

on 6-30-2008 11:35 AM Matt Seitz (matseitz) spake the following:

[I forgot to changed the "digest" subject the first time I sent this.  
Resending with the correct subject.]


From: Johnny Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

In this case you DO NOT want to integrate these changes 

[...]
This issue was caused in CentOS-4 (a /etc/passwd.rpmnew file) 
due to an 
update to the "setup" rpm in March ... and in this case, you can 
remove/ignore that file.


Thank you for explaining all of this.  Is this issue documented somewhere?


You just read it, so it IS documented "somewhere".  ;-P



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Re: [CentOS] Yogunluk

[Lanny Marcus]

On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:08 PM, William L. Maltby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> 
> > had given away to the customer and we couldn't complete the task
> > within their time frame or budget.  Marketing will do anything
> > (usually) to make the sale and then the Engineers try to get it done
> > on time and within the budget. Remember the comparison between
> > Engineers and Mushrooms..
>
> I wish you good luck on the reentry (there's a pun there... aerospace).


Bill: Thank you! It's an *uphill* battle. When the right Manager sees
something on my resume that he/she needs for a project, it'll click.  My
wife and I are fans of the Space Shuttle program  and we were at KSC to
watch  a launch of Atlantis on 19 May 2000, when she was pregnant.  Reentry
is difficult!  Launch is also incredibly dangerous. On TV, it looks almost
routine

>
> Having been a mushroom... er software/systems and many related for a
> long time, I know whereof you speak. That's what prompted me to add the
> adjectives and the attempt at humor.


I read something in an IEEE publication, about 2 years ago, that I gave to a
high school boy who lives in our subdivision, who was interested in going
into Engineering, about why someone would go into Engineering, when they
could become a doctor or lawyer or some other profession, with more
stability and respect than Engineers frequently get.. This is way OT for the
CentOS list... Lanny
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Re: [CentOS] EPIA-M board for Centos

[Karanbir Singh]

Joseph L. Casale wrote:

Does that unit support pxe and what type of pata controller is on it?
It doesn't use those newer generation jmicron (and variations) does it?


the new generation ( well, anything in the last 2 years or so ) JMicron 
's are all 100% AHCI compatible and do a fairly good job of just being a 
sata interface, and I've not seen a JMicron pata interface in years.. 
not sure if they even make those anymore.


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[CentOS] Re: Torrent sharing question

[Scott Silva]

on 6-27-2008 8:00 AM Karanbir Singh spake the following:

John Bowden wrote:

Hi Folks.
Just a quick question. I have been sharing CenOS 5.0 and 5.1 since I down
loaded them. Now we are on to 5.2 is it still worth sharing them or can I
archive them to DVD and save some hard drive space?
Regards John


We normally drop the torrents from the tracker around the time a new 
version is released so you should as well. Do you even see any traffic 
on these older torrents ?


By the way,  I think we ( as a community ) should strongly discurage 
people from installing older software specially since the older stuff 
now has known and published widely bug's and potentially remote security 
issues. Ofcourse there are people who will, due to whatever reason, 
still want to get out there and install an older version - they are 
welcome to use the vault.centos.org machines.


- KB
With exception to the people hit with the powernow glitch. They will never be 
able to install with a 5.2 cd or dvd since the installer kernels probably 
won't be changed unless by the slim chance that upstream does.


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RE: [CentOS] EPIA-M board for Centos

[Joseph L. Casale]

>I've built some successful systems on the Atom 230 recently. Much faster than
>the Epia and about the same price
>(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121342)
>So far everything works out of the box and its much faster than even the
>1.2Ghz Epia's I tried.
>Fan is fairly noisy though. :-(

Peter,
Does that unit support pxe and what type of pata controller is on it?
It doesn't use those newer generation jmicron (and variations) does it?
I need to build a few pxe booted thinclients for use with rdesktop and those
look good!

thanks,
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Re: [CentOS] Rescan /dev/sd* without reboot?

[John R Pierce]

Joseph L. Casale wrote:

This is an old way of doing it but it's worked fine for me over the
years.



I think the new way is documented here:
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7321
  


i've had very good luck with

echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host?/scan

replacing ? with the proper scsi/fiberchannel host channel #

done this on online systems with minimal impact to other in-use drives.


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[CentOS] Re: African IP addresses list

[Scott Silva]

on 6-27-2008 5:58 AM thad spake the following:

how terribly shocking...
I suggest also blocking China, 'cause they're commies, and France because
they eat frogs


What about those who eat alligators.

Yum... Alligators!


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RE: [CentOS] Rescan /dev/sd* without reboot?

[Joseph L. Casale]

>This is an old way of doing it but it's worked fine for me over the
>years.

I think the new way is documented here:
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7321

I am guessing you could rescan it with a less obtrusive method...

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Re: [CentOS] Rescan /dev/sd* without reboot?

[nate]

Scott Moseman wrote:
> I increased the SAN partition size for a given volume.  Is there a way
> I can have fdisk recognize the new size without a reboot?

This is an old way of doing it but it's worked fine for me over the
years.

cat /proc/scsi/scsi and find the device that you resized

Make sure the device is not in use(not mounted, not in use by device
mapper, multipathing software, LVM etc), assuming it is not:

echo "scsi remove-single-device X X X X" >/proc/scsi/scsi
echo "scsi add-single-device X X X X" >/proc/scsi/scsi

where X X X X is the id of the device, for example:

Contents of /proc/scsi/scsi
Attached devices:
Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 06 Lun: 00
  Vendor: PE/PVModel: 1x2 SCSI BP  Rev: 1.0
  Type:   ProcessorANSI SCSI revision: 02
Host: scsi0 Channel: 01 Id: 00 Lun: 00
  Vendor: MegaRAID Model: LD 0 RAID1   69G Rev: 521S
  Type:   Direct-AccessANSI SCSI revision: 02

The disk above is the Megaraid volume which is "0 1 0 0".

You can check to be sure that the device disappears from /proc/scsi/scsi
after you remove it, before re-adding it. If the device is multpathed
then remove all instances of it from /proc/scsi/scsi. If you don't
know what ID it is your SAN device should be able to at least tell
you what LUN it's exported as, which should help in tracing down
which disk is which in /proc/scsi/scsi.

Careful with that command, if you remove a disk that is in use you can
seriously hose the system, often times requiring a hard power cycle.

nate

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[CentOS] Rescan /dev/sd* without reboot?

[Scott Moseman]

I increased the SAN partition size for a given volume.  Is there a way
I can have fdisk recognize the new size without a reboot?

Thanks,
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Re: [CentOS] Floorsweepers (Was: Rebuild of kernel 2.6.9-67.0.20.EL failure)

[Jim Perrin]

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Sorin Srbu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ah, some internal joke with you CentOS dev-guys or something I take it?


Indeed.
Mostly, I do irc support when time permits, and am known to be
irritable and short with my advice (hence the paradox in me calling
for some forgiveness). A little more time within the centos community
and you'll start picking up on who to pay attention to and where
people's talents lie.
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Re: [CentOS] Rebuild of kernel 2.6.9-67.0.20.EL failure

[John R Pierce]

Sorin Srbu wrote:

And who might this "revered" Jim Perrin be? Obviously he seems to be some kind
of big cheese, but what does he do etc?

Ignorance is bliss. For a while... 8-)
  


from the 'about' page on centos.org...

*The CentOS Development Team*

The group of people who build CentOS are known as the CentOS Development 
Team. The team includes:


*CentOS-2* - John Newbigin

*CentOS-3* - Lance Davis, Will Dinkel, Tru Huynh, Pasi Pirhonen, Seth 
Vidal, David Parsley


*CentOS-4* - Johnny Hughes, Karanbir Singh, Pasi Pirhonen, Jim Perrin, 
David Parsley, Ralph Angenendt, Daniel de Kok


*CentOS-5* - Johnny Hughes, Karanbir Singh, Jim Perrin, Ralph Angenendt, 
Daniel de Kok, Patrice Guay


*Security, Web, Infrastructure* - Donavan Nelson, Russ Herrold, Dag Wieers

*Forum Administrators* - Fabian Arrotin (arrfab), Akemi Yagi (toracat), 
Phil Perry (NedSlider)


*Mirror Administration* - Tru Huynh

*QA Team Leader* - Tim Verhoeven
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RE: [CentOS] Rebuild of kernel 2.6.9-67.0.20.EL failure

[Sorin Srbu]

>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of
>Ross S. W. Walker
>Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 7:52 PM
>To: CentOS mailing list
>Subject: RE: [CentOS] Rebuild of kernel 2.6.9-67.0.20.EL failure
>
>Akemi Yagi wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Sorin Srbu
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> > And who might this "revered" Jim Perrin be? Obviously he seems to be some
kind
>> > of big cheese, but what does he do etc?
>>
>> He certainly is.  Jim sweeps the floors for CentOS.
>
>Known as "le nettoyeur" on the IRC...

I've never done IRC. Never have, probably never will. Reeks a little bit too
much of 1ee+-stuff. Not my cup'o'tea. But thx for the info!


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Re: [CentOS] African IP addresses list

[Matt Shields]

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Sean Carolan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This is a bit naive and childish:
>
> "how terribly shocking...I suggest also blocking China, 'cause they're
> commies, and France because they eat frogs"
>
> The OP is not discriminating against Africa because of government systems,
> skin color, or diet.  He is trying to reduce lost revenue, credit card
> refunds and time due to fraudulent orders that almost all originate from the
> African continent.  The reality is that Nigeria is the 419 internet scam
> capital of the world, and the Nigerian scammers sometimes work from other
> African nations or even the UK.  If someone in Africa really, really must
> have something that Matt sells then they should pay with Western Union or
> international money order instead of a credit card.
>
>
Ever heard of the Western Union scam?  No offense to anyone in any other
country, but personally I prefer to deal with people in the US who are
covered by US laws.  My comments above had absolutely nothing to do with
race, color, nationality, religion, etc.  It's because it's easier to go
after someone legally if they try to rip me off and they are in the same
country as me.  And I know there a lot of businesses that have taken the
same stance on who they will sell products to.


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[CentOS] Floorsweepers (Was: Rebuild of kernel 2.6.9-67.0.20.EL failure)

[Sorin Srbu]

>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of
>Stephen John Smoogen
>Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 7:46 PM
>To: CentOS mailing list
>
>   He certainly is.  Jim sweeps the floors for CentOS.
>
>And not very well.. bloody gum stuck to my shoe every time I go there.. and
lord don't
>look at the bathrooms... put on a blind fold and do your business where you
think is
>best.. everyone else seems to have also.

Ah, some internal joke with you CentOS dev-guys or something I take it?


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[CentOS] Floor-sweepers (Was: Rebuild of kernel 2.6.9-67.0.20.EL failure)

[Sorin Srbu]

>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>Akemi Yagi
>Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 7:30 PM
>To: CentOS mailing list
>Subject: Re: [CentOS] Rebuild of kernel 2.6.9-67.0.20.EL failure
>
>> And who might this "revered" Jim Perrin be? Obviously he seems to be some 
>> kind
>> of big cheese, but what does he do etc?
>
>He certainly is.  Jim sweeps the floors for CentOS.

Come again? Literally? Joke? I'm rather ignorant on CentOS's Who's who...

The only guy I more or less recognize with respect to CentOS is Karanbir Singh 
who mails out those errata-mails and has that blog. Ok, ok, I'm a newbie, 
rookie, greenhorn and whatnot. Come off of it already. 8*)


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Re: [CentOS] EPIA-M board for Centos

[Peter Arremann]

On Tuesday 01 July 2008 09:40:31 am Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> Is there any problems using this board?
>
> I have a dead board in a Book-PC (board size 10.5"x6") so am looking for
> a new board.
>
> Actually I want 2 LAN ports.  'Router' boards with enough umph to run
> Centos are expensive.
>
> I can pick up a VIA epia-m with 512Mb memory for $70 including shipping,
> so this is rather attractive option.  I do have a 100Mb low-height PCI
> board that I can use.
>
> Fitting the board and card into the Book-PC box will be a bit of DIY
> engineering, but other than maybe loosing the front USB ports (big deal
> in the case), looks manageable.
>
> thanks for any experience/advise.
I've had some pretty bad luck with the Epia-m stuff. While the newer ones are 
all i686 compatible, there seem to be random issues there. Not well tested in 
the mainstream kernel I guess. After a FC7 kernel upgrade, they wouldn't boot 
anymore - kernel would dump and nobody could figure out why. A RHEL 5 (not 
centos) kernel somewhere along the line also had issues. 

I've built some successful systems on the Atom 230 recently. Much faster than 
the Epia and about the same price 
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121342)
So far everything works out of the box and its much faster than even the 
1.2Ghz Epia's I tried. 
Fan is fairly noisy though. :-(

Peter.

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Re: [CentOS] African IP addresses list

[MHR]

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:47 AM, Nicolas Thierry-Mieg
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Matt Arnilo S. Baluyos (Mailing Lists) wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am trying to block all IP addresses from Africa due to a high rate
>> of fraudulent orders coming from them.
>>
>> I have some found some websites that can generate a range of IP
>> addresses. However, you would have to enter the ranges by country. I
>> can use those perhaps but that would mean I would have to get the
>> ranges for each country one by one.
>>
>> Has anyone here a list of addresses from Africa already? It would
>> definitely be a time saver for me. My firewall uses IP blocking by
>> CIDR.
>
> how terribly shocking...
> I suggest also blocking China, 'cause they're commies, and France because
> they eat frogs
>

Huh???  I thought the French /were/ frogs!

mhr

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Re: [CentOS] Copy of own messages

[MHR]

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Akemi Yagi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 11:18 AM, nate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> MHR wrote:
>>
>>> I thought it might be a feature of the lists, or gmail, but I can't
>>> find anything that explains it - the messages don't even show up in my
>>> trash.
>>
>> I do see all of my own posts, so perhaps it is a feature of gmail,
>> I've never used it so can't say for sure.
>
> In gmail, look in the "Sent Mail".  All the messages you have sent are in 
> there.
>

Yah, of course, but what I used to see was the posted copy of my sent
email, which has the [CentOS] tag and comes "on behalf of" me from the
list - those do not show up in either my sent mail, inbox or trash.

I like it, but I do find it a bit weird.

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Re: [CentOS] Rebuild of kernel 2.6.9-67.0.20.EL failure

[MHR]

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:01 AM, Matt Hyclak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 06:58:48AM -0700, Akemi Yagi enlightened us:
>> > Jim Perrin wrote:
>> >> I don't think he did it intentionally, so how's about we all forgive
>> >> and forget, or turn the other cheek, or whatever else you wish to do
>> >> just this once.
>> >>
>> >>  YES I realize the humor involved in me being the voice of compassion
>> >> and reason here, so stuff it. :-P
>> >
>> > Oh and I was totally ready to hop on the now stuffed bandwagon to be
>> > surprised. Totally not fair. You're an evil man, Jim. ^_^
>>
>> When I read the first part of the message, I had to check the sender
>> name more than a few times to believe it was really from Jim Perrin.
>> :-D
>>
>
> I think the Good Witch of the North was spoofing his e-mail address.
>
> Matt
>

Well, I am shocked, I tell you, shocked!  Why, the Jim Perrin I have
come to know and love is a warm, decent chap with a big heart and a
terrific sense of humor.

Oh, wait, he's not on this list - that's a different Jim Perrin

SCNR - RBFG!

mhr

P.S.: Jim slips once in a while - musta been a senior (developer)
moment  >;^)
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[CentOS] Re: Missing update announcements for C4 i386 / x86_64

[Scott Silva]

on 6-27-2008 2:41 AM Johnny Hughes spake the following:

Bernd Bartmann wrote:

On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 1:33 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote:

Bernd Bartmann wrote:

Hi,

the latest updates for perl, xorg-x11, net-snmp, openoffice.org for C4
were announced for the ia64 and s390(x) archs, but not for i386 and
x86_64 altough they are available on the updates mirrors.
Also, what is the policy for announcements of updates that occurred
after the C5.2 release? I see them on the update mirrors. Shouldn't
these update be also announced independently from the C5.2 release
announcement?

The C5 updates will be announced shortly ( within the next 24 hrs )
along with all pending updates getting pushed out.


Ok, the C5 update announcements did show up now. So then remains the
question what is about the missing C4 update announcements?

Best regards,
Bernd.


I will get those out soon to ... but I can only work 24 hours a day


There's no "sleep" in CentOS!
Or food, life, fun, etc... ;-P



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You hope everybody uses it, and
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Re: [CentOS] extract MIME attachments from 700MB imap folder

[Ray Leventhal]

Les Mikesell wrote:

Ray Leventhal wrote:


I've read the man page, but am wholly unclear as to:
1) will this do the trick for me
2) are there other known tools which might be recommended



Mime::Parser will split out the body and attachments of a message 
into files.  I've only used it on single files being delivered via 
procmail like this:


use MIME::Parser;
### Create parser, and set some parsing options:
$archive='/path/to/dir';
my $parser = new MIME::Parser;
### Change how nameless message-component files are named:
$parser->output_dir("$archive");
$parser->output_prefix('msg');
### Parse input:
$entity = $parser->parse(\*STDIN) or die "parse failed\n";

But you'll probably want to do something a little more clever to 
toss the body and use sensible filenames for the attachments. I 
think Mime::Parser::Filer can do that.




Hi Les,

Thanks for your reply.

I'm wholly ignorant of how to go about doing this using your 
suggestion.  Are there resources to which you might point me for 
additional info?


That was the whole perl program needed to split the body of a message 
and any MIME attachments into separate files, given one email message 
on standard input.  If that doesn't make sense, you'll probably have 
to start with the 'learning perl' book or any general perl programming 
tutorials.  There are some details about the Mime::Tools package and 
how to use the components here: 
http://search.cpan.org/~doneill/MIME-tools/



Thanks, Les.  I'm digging into the docs now.

Much obliged,
-Ray
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Re: [CentOS] extract MIME attachments from 700MB imap folder

[Les Mikesell]

Ray Leventhal wrote:


I've read the man page, but am wholly unclear as to:
1) will this do the trick for me
2) are there other known tools which might be recommended



Mime::Parser will split out the body and attachments of a message into 
files.  I've only used it on single files being delivered via procmail 
like this:


use MIME::Parser;
### Create parser, and set some parsing options:
$archive='/path/to/dir';
my $parser = new MIME::Parser;
### Change how nameless message-component files are named:
$parser->output_dir("$archive");
$parser->output_prefix('msg');
### Parse input:
$entity = $parser->parse(\*STDIN) or die "parse failed\n";

But you'll probably want to do something a little more clever to toss 
the body and use sensible filenames for the attachments. I think 
Mime::Parser::Filer can do that.




Hi Les,

Thanks for your reply.

I'm wholly ignorant of how to go about doing this using your 
suggestion.  Are there resources to which you might point me for 
additional info?


That was the whole perl program needed to split the body of a message 
and any MIME attachments into separate files, given one email message on 
standard input.  If that doesn't make sense, you'll probably have to 
start with the 'learning perl' book or any general perl programming 
tutorials.  There are some details about the Mime::Tools package and how 
to use the components here: http://search.cpan.org/~doneill/MIME-tools/


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Re: [CentOS] African IP addresses list

[Sean Carolan]

This is a bit naive and childish:

"how terribly shocking...I suggest also blocking China, 'cause they're
commies, and France because they eat frogs"

The OP is not discriminating against Africa because of government systems,
skin color, or diet.  He is trying to reduce lost revenue, credit card
refunds and time due to fraudulent orders that almost all originate from the
African continent.  The reality is that Nigeria is the 419 internet scam
capital of the world, and the Nigerian scammers sometimes work from other
African nations or even the UK.  If someone in Africa really, really must
have something that Matt sells then they should pay with Western Union or
international money order instead of a credit card.
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Re: [CentOS] Problem with nvidia-drv-x11 when upgrading to CentOS 5.2

[Bernhard Gschaider]

> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:40:38 -0700
> "M" == MHR  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

M> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 1:55 AM, Bernhard Gschaider
M> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi John!
>> 
>> As I understand it the nvidia-x11-drv IS the nvidia.com-driver
>> just repackaged in such a way that it automatically recompiles
>> itself if a new kernel is installed. For the
>> vanilla-nvidia-drivers I had to write a script for that and the
>> number of workstation here is not big enough that it justifies
>> that (I did that, but it never worked 100% and testing a boot
>> time script is a pain in the a##) Obviously the script in the
>> RPM-package doesn't know how to behave during an upgrade (let's
>> see how it fares when the first 5.2-kernel-update comes along)
>> 

M> I may be mistaken on this, but IIRC, the driver does not
M> recompile itself automatically at all.  I used dkms once a
M> great many kernels ago, and the driver has been recompiled for
M> me for every single update since then (4.4, I think), including
M> my update to 5.2.  I didn't see any reference to this in this
M> thread at all, so I'm assuming that you are not using dkms.

I didn't mention it, but the package recompiles the driver using DKMS.

I'm fully aware, that binary-only-packages won't work

M> For the person who uninstalled, updated and reinstalled the
M> driver, I didn't see any mention of a recompile - did you do
M> that?

As said above: DKMS should take care of that - and it always did

M> Now, if your driver doesn't work after an explicit recompile,
M> that's a different problem.

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Re: [CentOS] Copy of own messages

[Akemi Yagi]

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 11:18 AM, nate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> MHR wrote:
>
>> I thought it might be a feature of the lists, or gmail, but I can't
>> find anything that explains it - the messages don't even show up in my
>> trash.
>
> I do see all of my own posts, so perhaps it is a feature of gmail,
> I've never used it so can't say for sure.

In gmail, look in the "Sent Mail".  All the messages you have sent are in there.

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Re: [CentOS] African IP addresses list

[mkn0014]

Glenn wrote:

At 09:38 AM 7/1/2008, you wrote:
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Tony Wicks 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
I would like to add something, as a South African citizen. South 
Africa, is NOT part of Africa for that matter, it's a republic on 
it's own. It's almost like saying "Let's ban America, cause someone 
in Mexico spammed me". South Africa, which is on the 196/8 range does 
a LOT of business overseas in many countries, and I do want to warn 
that you could loose a lot of good business due to this practice.


Most of the fraud you experience could come from Nigeria, or one of 
the other central & western Africa countries. To ban a whole 
continent because of problems some countries cause could be problematic.


For that matter is China a different country from Russia, from 
Switzerland, even though they share the same land mass



--

I need to put my 2c in here. I'm from New Zealand, we are a first 
world democratic country (the first in the worlds to give the vote to 
ALL adults I may mention). I have had the misfortune many of times of 
being unable to transact business because people from the US in their 
ignorance think, that New Zealand, isn't that part of Australia, 
which is right next to Asia, can't do business with those Asians, 
they will rip me off. Now sometimes people from the US have asked me 
why people in the other parts of the world get a bit annoyed at the 
"the only country that is free and true if the good old US of A" 
attitude, and well here you go as an example. Lets ban all of Africa 
because someone from Nigeria is a scammer. Africa is a pretty big 
place, and you know what, I've met many South Africans that are real 
nice (even employed a few). I've always been someone who defends 
America when people run it down, but it is a two way street, don't 
treat a whole country as criminals because you don't know the 
difference between one side of a continent from another, its kind of 
insulting you know. And some day you might well need the rest of us, 
you never know.





If a business only wants to do transaction with people in their own 
country, what is wrong with that?  There is no international law that 
says they have to provide services or products to you because you 
live in a different country.  Sometimes the lost revenue by not doing 
business outside your own country is better than having to deal with 
the possibility of fraud.  Sometimes it is more of a hassle to deal 
with shipping, service and/or support issues with people from a 
different country and it's just not worth it.


--
-matt



Hello All,

I've seen a lot of very good and valid comments come out of this 
discussion!


I had a mail server that, initially, had no need for foreign (Outside 
US) communication. Then exceptions started highly complicating the 
situation.


I used this database lookup to compile a list, by country, of those I 
wanted to block based upon my mail server's history with 
communications with them and on the histories of my users/customers.


http://ip.ludost.net/

Very useful tool!

Cheers,
Glenn Parsons



Combine that with this 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_continent_(data_file)


and then can you eliminate a continent or two of your wish.

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Re: [CentOS] Copy of own messages

[nate]

MHR wrote:

> I thought it might be a feature of the lists, or gmail, but I can't
> find anything that explains it - the messages don't even show up in my
> trash.

I do see all of my own posts, so perhaps it is a feature of gmail,
I've never used it so can't say for sure.

nate


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Re: [CentOS] Copy of own messages

[MHR]

On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 2:20 AM, AnneWilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For some reason I'm no longer seeing copies of my own messages.  I've checked
> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos and the preferences setting
> is still fine.  Does anyone know what the problem might be?  Thanks
>

I noticed this a while back, and I never found a reason for it.  It's
not just this list, it's any email list to which I belong.

I thought it might be a feature of the lists, or gmail, but I can't
find anything that explains it - the messages don't even show up in my
trash.

So, I learned not to qorry (or worry) about it.  I see my name (ok,
initials) all over the place as it is

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Re: [CentOS] extract MIME attachments from 700MB imap folder

[Ray Leventhal]

I've read the man page, but am wholly unclear as to:
1) will this do the trick for me
2) are there other known tools which might be recommended



Mime::Parser will split out the body and attachments of a message into 
files.  I've only used it on single files being delivered via procmail 
like this:


use MIME::Parser;
### Create parser, and set some parsing options:
$archive='/path/to/dir';
my $parser = new MIME::Parser;
### Change how nameless message-component files are named:
$parser->output_dir("$archive");
$parser->output_prefix('msg');
### Parse input:
$entity = $parser->parse(\*STDIN) or die "parse failed\n";

But you'll probably want to do something a little more clever to toss 
the body and use sensible filenames for the attachments. I think 
Mime::Parser::Filer can do that.




Hi Les,

Thanks for your reply.

I'm wholly ignorant of how to go about doing this using your 
suggestion.  Are there resources to which you might point me for 
additional info?

Thanks again,
-Ray
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RE: [CentOS] Rebuild of kernel 2.6.9-67.0.20.EL failure

[Ross S. W. Walker]

Akemi Yagi wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Sorin Srbu 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > And who might this "revered" Jim Perrin be? Obviously he seems to be some 
> > kind
> > of big cheese, but what does he do etc?
> 
> He certainly is.  Jim sweeps the floors for CentOS.

Known as "le nettoyeur" on the IRC...


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Re: [CentOS] Rebuild of kernel 2.6.9-67.0.20.EL failure

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On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Akemi Yagi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Sorin Srbu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > And who might this "revered" Jim Perrin be? Obviously he seems to be some
> kind
> > of big cheese, but what does he do etc?
>
> He certainly is.  Jim sweeps the floors for CentOS.


And not very well.. bloody gum stuck to my shoe every time I go there.. and
lord don't look at the bathrooms... put on a blind fold and do your business
where you think is best.. everyone else seems to have also.



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Re: [CentOS] setroubleshoot

[Dan Halbert]

drew einhorn wrote:

There is a setroubleshoot package that
runs under X, that really makes it a lot easier to troubleshoot
selinux, but I really don't want to run X on all my vms.

Does anyone here know of an equivalent that doesn't
require X?
Is it that you don't want to install the required libraries, or that you 
don't want to have the X server running? You can install the X software 
and change the default runlevel in /etc/inittab to 3 (from 5) so that X 
won't start. You could still then use  setroubleshoot over a networked X 
connection.


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Re: [CentOS] Re: is CentOS an LSB certified product?

[Rudi Ahlers]

Ross S. W. Walker wrote:

Rudi Ahlers wrote:

  
Sorry to ask this, but what exactly is the LSB? What will CentOS (and 
probably) the community gain from it? I mean, apart from RedHat 
Enterprise, Suse Enterpise and the other commercial Linux's, most other 
linuxes are not certified AFAIK.


I know CentOS stands out above the rest in many areas, and is very close 
to RedHat, in many aspects. But won't a certification shove it into the 
commercial software "class"



LSB or Linux Standard Base, is a way of assuring VARs, developers and
contractors that the Linux systems that are certified under this all
have a standard file system structure and contain a defined set of
minimum system utilities.

This way when they write software they can be rest assured that if the
system is LSB certified that it will contain the 'bash' utility, that
utility will be in /usr/bin, man pages will be in /usr/share/man, etc.

This way they only have to write 1 set of installation packages and
not a separate package for each Linux distribution they wish to
develop for.

-Ross

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licensing at all.


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Re: [CentOS] Problem with nvidia-drv-x11 when upgrading to CentOS 5.2

[MHR]

On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 1:55 AM, Bernhard Gschaider
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi John!
>
> As I understand it the nvidia-x11-drv IS the nvidia.com-driver just
> repackaged in such a way that it automatically recompiles itself if a
> new kernel is installed. For the vanilla-nvidia-drivers I had to write
> a script for that and the number of workstation here is not big enough
> that it justifies that (I did that, but it never worked 100% and
> testing a boot time script is a pain in the a##)
> Obviously the script in the RPM-package doesn't know how to behave
> during an upgrade (let's see how it fares when the first
> 5.2-kernel-update comes along)
>

I may be mistaken on this, but IIRC, the driver does not recompile
itself automatically at all.  I used dkms once a great many kernels
ago, and the driver has been recompiled for me for every single update
since then (4.4, I think), including my update to 5.2.  I didn't see
any reference to this in this thread at all, so I'm assuming that you
are not using dkms.

For the person who uninstalled, updated and reinstalled the driver, I
didn't see any mention of a recompile - did you do that?

Now, if your driver doesn't work after an explicit recompile, that's a
different problem.

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[CentOS] setroubleshoot

[drew einhorn]

There is a setroubleshoot package that
runs under X, that really makes it a lot easier to troubleshoot
selinux, but I really don't want to run X on all my vms.

Does anyone here know of an equivalent that doesn't
require X?

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RE: [CentOS] Re: is CentOS an LSB certified product?

[Ross S. W. Walker]

Rudi Ahlers wrote:

> Sorry to ask this, but what exactly is the LSB? What will CentOS (and 
> probably) the community gain from it? I mean, apart from RedHat 
> Enterprise, Suse Enterpise and the other commercial Linux's, most other 
> linuxes are not certified AFAIK.
> 
> I know CentOS stands out above the rest in many areas, and is very close 
> to RedHat, in many aspects. But won't a certification shove it into the 
> commercial software "class"

LSB or Linux Standard Base, is a way of assuring VARs, developers and
contractors that the Linux systems that are certified under this all
have a standard file system structure and contain a defined set of
minimum system utilities.

This way when they write software they can be rest assured that if the
system is LSB certified that it will contain the 'bash' utility, that
utility will be in /usr/bin, man pages will be in /usr/share/man, etc.

This way they only have to write 1 set of installation packages and
not a separate package for each Linux distribution they wish to
develop for.

-Ross

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Re: [CentOS] Rebuild of kernel 2.6.9-67.0.20.EL failure

[Akemi Yagi]

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Sorin Srbu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> And who might this "revered" Jim Perrin be? Obviously he seems to be some kind
> of big cheese, but what does he do etc?

He certainly is.  Jim sweeps the floors for CentOS.
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Re: [CentOS] Re: is CentOS an LSB certified product?

[Rudi Ahlers]

Nicholas wrote:

Wow!

Thats a lot of money. The Pass thru mentioned, does it also mean that 
payment need to be made?


I wonder what is the purpose of them charging so much?



Scott Silva wrote:

on 6-18-2008 6:55 AM Johnny Hughes spake the following:

Nicholas wrote:

Herrold,

I meant RH, in terms of the RHEL distro. I look forward to have 
centos gain the LSB, what is needed for the pass thru? is the main 
CentOS community interested?


As for the rest, thank you for the sharing of info.

The LSB should be concern to encourage developers to built stuff 
that can be used across distros. LSB should reduce problems of 
desktop users who have been finding difficulty in getting stuff 
like printer drivers and other paraphernalia. The more distros 
adopting LSB then more developers/manufacturers will be encouraged 
on the use of LSB.


Well .. I have run the latest testing scripts and CentOS-5.1 passes 
the 3.1 LSB for Core and Desktop.


It does not pass the 3.2 LSB tests yet (neither does RHEL-5).

I will work with Russ to see if I can get CentOS certified without 
paying $20,000.00 a year to make it happen.


If we have to pay for this, well we can't be certified.

Note, only one version of Ubuntu (6.0.6 LTS) and no Debian or Fedora 
versions are certified.


Thanks,
Johnny Hughes
I really believe that any "standards" organization that charges that 
much is just extorting money for a small perceived benefit.
If it passes the testing scripts, that should be enough for a "free" 
distribution. Microsoft does the same thing for its "certified" 
drivers. They charge an extortion fee for the service.



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probably) the community gain from it? I mean, apart from RedHat 
Enterprise, Suse Enterpise and the other commercial Linux's, most other 
linuxes are not certified AFAIK.


I know CentOS stands out above the rest in many areas, and is very close 
to RedHat, in many aspects. But won't a certification shove it into the 
commercial software "class"


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[CentOS] Re: is CentOS an LSB certified product?

[Scott Silva]

on 6-26-2008 11:40 PM Nicholas spake the following:

Wow!

Thats a lot of money. The Pass thru mentioned, does it also mean that 
payment need to be made?


I wonder what is the purpose of them charging so much?

That is probably their only source of income since they don't really "sell" or 
manufacture anything.


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RE: [CentOS] Rebuild of kernel 2.6.9-67.0.20.EL failure

[Sorin Srbu]

>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of
>Matt Hyclak
>Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 4:01 PM
>To: CentOS mailing list
>Subject: Re: [CentOS] Rebuild of kernel 2.6.9-67.0.20.EL failure
>
>> When I read the first part of the message, I had to check the sender
>> name more than a few times to believe it was really from Jim Perrin.

And who might this "revered" Jim Perrin be? Obviously he seems to be some kind
of big cheese, but what does he do etc?

Ignorance is bliss. For a while... 8-)


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Re: [CentOS] African IP addresses list

[Glenn]

At 09:38 AM 7/1/2008, you wrote:
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Tony Wicks 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
I would like to add something, as a South African citizen. South 
Africa, is NOT part of Africa for that matter, it's a republic on 
it's own. It's almost like saying "Let's ban America, cause someone 
in Mexico spammed me". South Africa, which is on the 196/8 range 
does a LOT of business overseas in many countries, and I do want to 
warn that you could loose a lot of good business due to this practice.


Most of the fraud you experience could come from Nigeria, or one of 
the other central & western Africa countries. To ban a whole 
continent because of problems some countries cause could be problematic.


For that matter is China a different country from Russia, from 
Switzerland, even though they share the same land mass



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I need to put my 2c in here. I'm from New Zealand, we are a first 
world democratic country (the first in the worlds to give the vote 
to ALL adults I may mention). I have had the misfortune many of 
times of being unable to transact business because people from the 
US in their ignorance think, that New Zealand, isn't that part of 
Australia, which is right next to Asia, can't do business with those 
Asians, they will rip me off. Now sometimes people from the US have 
asked me why people in the other parts of the world get a bit 
annoyed at the "the only country that is free and true if the good 
old US of A" attitude, and well here you go as an example. Lets ban 
all of Africa because someone from Nigeria is a scammer. Africa is a 
pretty big place, and you know what, I've met many South Africans 
that are real nice (even employed a few). I've always been someone 
who defends America when people run it down, but it is a two way 
street, don't treat a whole country as criminals because you don't 
know the difference between one side of a continent from another, 
its kind of insulting you know. And some day you might well need the 
rest of us, you never know.





If a business only wants to do transaction with people in their own 
country, what is wrong with that?  There is no international law 
that says they have to provide services or products to you because 
you live in a different country.  Sometimes the lost revenue by not 
doing business outside your own country is better than having to 
deal with the possibility of fraud.  Sometimes it is more of a 
hassle to deal with shipping, service and/or support issues with 
people from a different country and it's just not worth it.


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Hello All,

I've seen a lot of very good and valid comments come out of this discussion!

I had a mail server that, initially, had no need for foreign (Outside 
US) communication. Then exceptions started highly complicating the situation.


I used this database lookup to compile a list, by country, of those I 
wanted to block based upon my mail server's history with 
communications with them and on the histories of my users/customers.


http://ip.ludost.net/

Very useful tool!

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Re: [CentOS] EPIA-M board for Centos

[Karanbir Singh]

Robert Moskowitz wrote:

if you are going to use centos-5 make sure you get a cpu that works
with

Thank you. Time to order...


I have also been running one of these:

vendor_id   : CentaurHauls
cpu family  : 6
model   : 10
model name  : VIA Esther processor 1200MHz
stepping: 9
cpu MHz : 1197.113
cache size  : 128 KB

And it works quite well, its a fanless setup at 400 or 600Mhz, so can 
run really quiet, at 1200Mhz though it needs a fan. I've got this 
running a 4 x 1 TiB mdraid-0 ( yes, 0 ) on a el-cheapo sil based sata 
interface card on a Gigabit Ethernet and can get upto 160MiB/sec out of 
the machine on iscsi.



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Re: Yogunluk: Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.2 kernel [2.6.18-92.1.1.el5] crasheson dual-PIII Compaq ProLiant 3000

[Ralph Angenendt]

MHR wrote:
> What is this?

A late question by you which has already been answered several times?
It's an out of office reply, where the amount of messages *about* those
replies now is bigger than the amount of those replies.

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS] Recall: CentOS Digest, Vol 41, Issue 29

[Ralph Angenendt]

Matt Seitz (matseitz) wrote:
> Matt Seitz (matseitz) would like to recall the message, "CentOS Digest, Vol 
> 41, Issue 29".

Matt Seitz should learn how mailing lists work - they are not the same
as Exchange!

Still laughing,

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Re: [CentOS] extract MIME attachments from 700MB imap folder

[Les Mikesell]

Ray Leventhal wrote:


Issue:
I've been tasked with extracting a bunch of MIME attachments (M$Word 
docs) from emails which have been stored in an imap folder in 
/home//mail/.  As the subject states, the 
imap folder is about 700MB.


Googling suggested that munpack might do the trick, but as it is 
intended only for one message at a time, it outputs the first attachment 
found, then exits gracefully.


Further searches seemed to talk about mimedump, so I yum installed 
perl-MIME-tools.noarch from rpmforge as mimedump this was needed, and 
includes mimedump.


I've read the man page, but am wholly unclear as to:
1) will this do the trick for me
2) are there other known tools which might be recommended



Mime::Parser will split out the body and attachments of a message into 
files.  I've only used it on single files being delivered via procmail 
like this:


use MIME::Parser;
### Create parser, and set some parsing options:
$archive='/path/to/dir';
my $parser = new MIME::Parser;
### Change how nameless message-component files are named:
$parser->output_dir("$archive");
$parser->output_prefix('msg');
### Parse input:
$entity = $parser->parse(\*STDIN) or die "parse failed\n";

But you'll probably want to do something a little more clever to toss 
the body and use sensible filenames for the attachments. I think 
Mime::Parser::Filer can do that.


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Re: [CentOS] EPIA-M board for Centos

[Robert Moskowitz]

Karanbir Singh wrote:

Michel van Deventer wrote:
if you are going to use centos-5 make sure you get a cpu that works 
with

it :D ( there is no i586 support in centos-5 )

My backupserver is an EPIA-M1, runs CentOS 5 perfectly. I thought
all Via Epia's 1Ghz and up speak i686 :) But you might want to Google to
be sure.


< 1000Mhz work too... eg: this one works fine ..

model name : VIA Nehemiah
stepping : 8
cpu MHz : 600.014
cache size : 64 KB

Thank you. Time to order...

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[CentOS] extract MIME attachments from 700MB imap folder

[Ray Leventhal]

Hi all,

Issue:
I've been tasked with extracting a bunch of MIME attachments (M$Word 
docs) from emails which have been stored in an imap folder in 
/home//mail/.  As the subject states, the 
imap folder is about 700MB.


Googling suggested that munpack might do the trick, but as it is 
intended only for one message at a time, it outputs the first attachment 
found, then exits gracefully.


Further searches seemed to talk about mimedump, so I yum installed 
perl-MIME-tools.noarch from rpmforge as mimedump this was needed, and 
includes mimedump.


I've read the man page, but am wholly unclear as to:
1) will this do the trick for me
2) are there other known tools which might be recommended

Thanks in advance,
-Ray

System runs CentOS 5.1, not updated since April, but it is not connected 
to the internet (I do bring it online to install packages as needed); I 
will do a complete upgrade before the end of this month.


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Re: [CentOS] EPIA-M board for Centos

[Robert Moskowitz]

Karanbir Singh wrote:

Robert Moskowitz wrote:

Is there any problems using this board?

I have a dead board in a Book-PC (board size 10.5"x6") so am looking for
a new board.



if you are going to use centos-5 make sure you get a cpu that works 
with it :D ( there is no i586 support in centos-5 )

Gee, that is what I am asking. Does the VIA EPIA-M work for Centos-5???


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Re: [CentOS] EPIA-M board for Centos

[Karanbir Singh]

Michel van Deventer wrote:

if you are going to use centos-5 make sure you get a cpu that works with
it :D ( there is no i586 support in centos-5 )

My backupserver is an EPIA-M1, runs CentOS 5 perfectly. I thought
all Via Epia's 1Ghz and up speak i686 :) But you might want to Google to
be sure.


< 1000Mhz work too... eg: this one works fine ..

model name  : VIA Nehemiah
stepping: 8
cpu MHz : 600.014
cache size  : 64 KB


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Re: [CentOS] Configuring sendmail in a corporate environment

[Kevin Thorpe]

Alfred von Campe wrote:
Thanks for all the quick responses.  Enabling SMART_HOST as well as 
masquerading did the trick.  I also had to install the sendmail-cf 
RPM, but everything appears to be working now.
You CAN manage without sendmail-cf RPM by editing the config file by 
hand. I wouldn't try it without a good psychiatrist and lots of
medication to hand though! Goodness only knows what the sendmail guys 
were thinking of when they defined the config file specification.


Anyway, good to see you get it going.
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Re: [CentOS] African IP addresses list

[Karanbir Singh]

Matt Arnilo S. Baluyos (Mailing Lists) wrote:

We are an Australian company and we only ship to within Australia so
it's highly suspicious that someone from Africa would be ordering from
our online store.


I am based in the UK, and I regularly order stuff for 
friends/family/people across the world from online stores that are 
geographically local to them :D


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Re: [CentOS] EPIA-M board for Centos

[Michel van Deventer]

On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 15:27 +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> > Is there any problems using this board?
> >
> > I have a dead board in a Book-PC (board size 10.5"x6") so am looking for
> > a new board.
> >
> 
> if you are going to use centos-5 make sure you get a cpu that works with 
> it :D ( there is no i586 support in centos-5 )
My backupserver is an EPIA-M1, runs CentOS 5 perfectly. I thought
all Via Epia's 1Ghz and up speak i686 :) But you might want to Google to
be sure.

Regards,

Michel


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Re: [CentOS] Configuring sendmail in a corporate environment

[lingu]

Hi.

  First of all check the connectivity from that server to the external
domains like gmail,yahoo.com by doing telnet on port 25.if  u get connected
then then ur firewall is not blocking any outgoing port 25 connection.

  Then you have to check one more parmeter.If your domain  on ur sendmail
server is registered with the internet then only you can send a mail to any
external domains.If you are not registered your ip wil get blacklisted in
the spam database.


 Incase if your are registered if it is an direct mx then no need to set any
relay server parameter in sendmail.Incase your MX is pointed to some third
party then you have to tell the relay server ip in sendmail mc file.it wll
be some thing like below

dnl define(`SMART_HOST', `smtp.your.provider')dnl

Replace smtp.your.provider with mx2.example.com,this is where your mx get
pointed so that all of your outgoing mails will relayed via this server.

dnl define(`SMART_HOST', `mx2.example.com')dnl

Note: check the connectivity from that centos sendmail server to
mx2.example.com first for port 25 connection.


Regards,
lingu


On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Alfred von Campe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I have a stock CentOS 5 system as far as email (sendmail) is concerned that
> is on our corporate LAN.  I am not trying to set up a mail server; I merely
> want our CentOS systems to be able to send out emails.  This works as long
> as the recipient's domain is our local domain.  Any email send to recipients
> that are not in our local domain get stuck in the queue:
>
> # mailq
>/var/spool/mqueue (2 requests)
> -Q-ID- --Size-- -Q-Time-
> Sender/Recipient---
> m61D6wC1029257   16 Tue Jul  1 09:06 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> (Deferred: Connection timed out with mx2.emailsrvr.com.)
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> It appears that our firewall is not allowing connection to outside MX
> hosts.  I think I need to configure sendmail to forward emails to our local
> smtp host, but I am not sure how to do that.
>
> Alfred
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Re: [CentOS] Configuring sendmail in a corporate environment

[Alfred von Campe]

Thanks for all the quick responses.  Enabling SMART_HOST as well as  
masquerading did the trick.  I also had to install the sendmail-cf  
RPM, but everything appears to be working now.


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Re: [CentOS] EPIA-M board for Centos

[Karanbir Singh]

Robert Moskowitz wrote:

Is there any problems using this board?

I have a dead board in a Book-PC (board size 10.5"x6") so am looking for
a new board.



if you are going to use centos-5 make sure you get a cpu that works with 
it :D ( there is no i586 support in centos-5 )

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[CentOS] Re: Rebuild of kernel 2.6.9-67.0.20.EL failure

[Michael Ekstrand]

"John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Does anybody knows what I do miss or what is going wrong?

I'm not sure, but...

> For the curios:
> Why to recompile the kernel?
> I want to rebuild the kernel because I created a patch to decrease the 
> kernel timer frequency from 1000 to 100 HZ. The CentOS4.6 kernel doesn't 
> have the divider option available in CentOS5.2  This prevent timing problems 
> and high CPU load  in VMware ESX.

kernel-vm packages have already been prepared that make this exact
change.  See this forum post[1] for links to RPMs of this kernel.  Will
those meet your needs?

- Michael

1. 
http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=51552&topic_id=14671

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Re: [CentOS] Configuring sendmail in a corporate environment

[Kevin Thorpe]

It appears that our firewall is not allowing connection to outside MX
hosts.  I think I need to configure sendmail to forward emails to our
local smtp host, but I am not sure how to do that.

Best to do that anyway. Some e-mail providers will only accept e-mail 
from known mail servers (AOL)
and bounce if the IP of your sending server is not a static, known 
mailserver.


What you want is 'SMARTHOST'.

DSmy.mail.server.comin sendmail.cf

or

define(`SMART_HOST', `my.mail.server.com')dnl   in sendmail.mc
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Re: [CentOS] Rebuild of kernel 2.6.9-67.0.20.EL failure

[Matt Hyclak]

On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 06:58:48AM -0700, Akemi Yagi enlightened us:
> > Jim Perrin wrote:
> >> I don't think he did it intentionally, so how's about we all forgive
> >> and forget, or turn the other cheek, or whatever else you wish to do
> >> just this once.
> >>
> >>  YES I realize the humor involved in me being the voice of compassion
> >> and reason here, so stuff it. :-P
> >
> > Oh and I was totally ready to hop on the now stuffed bandwagon to be
> > surprised. Totally not fair. You're an evil man, Jim. ^_^
> 
> When I read the first part of the message, I had to check the sender
> name more than a few times to believe it was really from Jim Perrin.
> :-D
> 

I think the Good Witch of the North was spoofing his e-mail address. 

Matt

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Re: [CentOS] Rebuild of kernel 2.6.9-67.0.20.EL failure

[Akemi Yagi]

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 6:33 AM, Alex White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jim Perrin wrote:
>>
>> I don't think he did it intentionally, so how's about we all forgive
>> and forget, or turn the other cheek, or whatever else you wish to do
>> just this once.
>>
>>  YES I realize the humor involved in me being the voice of compassion
>> and reason here, so stuff it. :-P
>
> Oh and I was totally ready to hop on the now stuffed bandwagon to be
> surprised. Totally not fair. You're an evil man, Jim. ^_^

When I read the first part of the message, I had to check the sender
name more than a few times to believe it was really from Jim Perrin.
:-D

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Re: [CentOS] Configuring sendmail in a corporate environment

[Neil Cherry]

Alfred von Campe wrote:
> I have a stock CentOS 5 system as far as email (sendmail) is concerned
> that is on our corporate LAN.  I am not trying to set up a mail server;
> I merely want our CentOS systems to be able to send out emails.  This
> works as long as the recipient's domain is our local domain.  Any email
> send to recipients that are not in our local domain get stuck in the queue:
> 
> # mailq
> /var/spool/mqueue (2 requests)
> -Q-ID- --Size-- -Q-Time-
> Sender/Recipient---
> m61D6wC1029257   16 Tue Jul  1 09:06 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  (Deferred: Connection timed out with mx2.emailsrvr.com.)
>  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> It appears that our firewall is not allowing connection to outside MX
> hosts.  I think I need to configure sendmail to forward emails to our
> local smtp host, but I am not sure how to do that.

In my write up of using sendmail with gmail I think I explain how
to rewrite the from. If it's not there then look at the Sendmail/
Comcast write up:

http://www.linuxha.com/other/sendmail/gmail.html

I had to rewrite the from as being from gmail.com in order for
gmail.com to accept the mail.

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Re: [CentOS] Configuring sendmail in a corporate environment

[Steve Huff]

On Jul 1, 2008, at 9:35 AM, Alfred von Campe wrote:

It appears that our firewall is not allowing connection to outside  
MX hosts.  I think I need to configure sendmail to forward emails to  
our local smtp host, but I am not sure how to do that.



1. make sure /etc/mail/sendmail.mc includes the following line:

define(`SMART_HOST', `your.local.smtp.host')dnl

as well as whatever other configuration is necessary for your site.

2. cd /etc/mail; make sendmail.cf; service sendmail restart

-steve

p.s. it is easier to configure Postfix to do this; the instructions  
are provided in the comments of /etc/postfix/main.cf.


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[CentOS] EPIA-M board for Centos

[Robert Moskowitz]

Is there any problems using this board?

I have a dead board in a Book-PC (board size 10.5"x6") so am looking for 
a new board.


Actually I want 2 LAN ports.  'Router' boards with enough umph to run 
Centos are expensive.


I can pick up a VIA epia-m with 512Mb memory for $70 including shipping, 
so this is rather attractive option.  I do have a 100Mb low-height PCI 
board that I can use.


Fitting the board and card into the Book-PC box will be a bit of DIY 
engineering, but other than maybe loosing the front USB ports (big deal 
in the case), looks manageable.


thanks for any experience/advise.


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Re: [CentOS] African IP addresses list

[Matt Shields]

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Tony Wicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >
> I would like to add something, as a South African citizen. South Africa, is
> NOT part of Africa for that matter, it's a republic on it's own. It's almost
> like saying "Let's ban America, cause someone in Mexico spammed me". South
> Africa, which is on the 196/8 range does a LOT of business overseas in many
> countries, and I do want to warn that you could loose a lot of good business
> due to this practice.
>
> Most of the fraud you experience could come from Nigeria, or one of the
> other central & western Africa countries. To ban a whole continent because
> of problems some countries cause could be problematic.
>
> For that matter is China a different country from Russia, from Switzerland,
> even though they share the same land mass
>
>
> --
>
> I need to put my 2c in here. I'm from New Zealand, we are a first world
> democratic country (the first in the worlds to give the vote to ALL adults I
> may mention). I have had the misfortune many of times of being unable to
> transact business because people from the US in their ignorance think, that
> New Zealand, isn't that part of Australia, which is right next to Asia,
> can't do business with those Asians, they will rip me off. Now sometimes
> people from the US have asked me why people in the other parts of the world
> get a bit annoyed at the "the only country that is free and true if the good
> old US of A" attitude, and well here you go as an example. Lets ban all of
> Africa because someone from Nigeria is a scammer. Africa is a pretty big
> place, and you know what, I've met many South Africans that are real nice
> (even employed a few). I've always been someone who defends America when
> people run it down, but it is a two way street, don't treat a whole country
> as criminals because you don't know the difference between one side of a
> continent from another, its kind of insulting you know. And some day you
> might well need the rest of us, you never know.
>
>
>
>
If a business only wants to do transaction with people in their own country,
what is wrong with that?  There is no international law that says they have
to provide services or products to you because you live in a different
country.  Sometimes the lost revenue by not doing business outside your own
country is better than having to deal with the possibility of fraud.
Sometimes it is more of a hassle to deal with shipping, service and/or
support issues with people from a different country and it's just not worth
it.

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[CentOS] Configuring sendmail in a corporate environment

[Alfred von Campe]

I have a stock CentOS 5 system as far as email (sendmail) is  
concerned that is on our corporate LAN.  I am not trying to set up a  
mail server; I merely want our CentOS systems to be able to send out  
emails.  This works as long as the recipient's domain is our local  
domain.  Any email send to recipients that are not in our local  
domain get stuck in the queue:


# mailq
/var/spool/mqueue (2 requests)
-Q-ID- --Size-- -Q-Time- Sender/ 
Recipient---

m61D6wC1029257   16 Tue Jul  1 09:06 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 (Deferred: Connection timed out with  
mx2.emailsrvr.com.)

 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

It appears that our firewall is not allowing connection to outside MX  
hosts.  I think I need to configure sendmail to forward emails to our  
local smtp host, but I am not sure how to do that.


Alfred

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Re: [CentOS] Rebuild of kernel 2.6.9-67.0.20.EL failure

[Alex White]

Jim Perrin wrote:

I don't think he did it intentionally, so how's about we all forgive
and forget, or turn the other cheek, or whatever else you wish to do
just this once.

 YES I realize the humor involved in me being the voice of compassion
and reason here, so stuff it. :-P


Oh and I was totally ready to hop on the now stuffed bandwagon to be 
surprised. Totally not fair. You're an evil man, Jim. ^_^


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Re: [CentOS] Spacewalk from Redhat

[Ray Van Dolson]

> And I expect PostgreSQL and MySQL will be options very very soon... :-)

Not *too* very soon; a lot of work needs to be done.  I know they're
planning to abstract things to make it a lot easier to add support for
other databases vs just hacking on support for Postgres, etc.

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RE: [CentOS] Spacewalk from Redhat

[Erik Bussink]

On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 10:10 +0200, Geoff Galitz wrote:
> Maybe this will answer your question in regards to database choice (directly
> from the wiki FAQ):
> -
> Spacewalk Architecture
> Why do you use Oracle? Any plans for supporting other databases? 
> 
> Originally the Spacewalk code base was used as a hosted application and
> Oracle was a good choice for a hosted application in 2001. Over the years
> open source databases such as PostgreSQL and MySQL have improved
> tremendously in terms of stability, speed, and scalability. We have not had
> the resources allocated in the past to add support for an open source
> database but want to do so soon. 
> 

And I expect PostgreSQL and MySQL will be options very very soon... :-)

Erik


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Re: [CentOS] African IP addresses list

[Jacques B.]

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Tony Wicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
> I would like to add something, as a South African citizen. South Africa, is
> NOT part of Africa for that matter, it's a republic on it's own. It's almost
> like saying "Let's ban America, cause someone in Mexico spammed me". South
> Africa, which is on the 196/8 range does a LOT of business overseas in many
> countries, and I do want to warn that you could loose a lot of good business
> due to this practice.
>
> Most of the fraud you experience could come from Nigeria, or one of the
> other central & western Africa countries. To ban a whole continent because
> of problems some countries cause could be problematic.
>
> For that matter is China a different country from Russia, from Switzerland,
> even though they share the same land mass
>
>
> --
>
> I need to put my 2c in here. I'm from New Zealand, we are a first world
> democratic country (the first in the worlds to give the vote to ALL adults I
> may mention). I have had the misfortune many of times of being unable to
> transact business because people from the US in their ignorance think, that
> New Zealand, isn't that part of Australia, which is right next to Asia,
> can't do business with those Asians, they will rip me off. Now sometimes
> people from the US have asked me why people in the other parts of the world
> get a bit annoyed at the "the only country that is free and true if the good
> old US of A" attitude, and well here you go as an example. Lets ban all of
> Africa because someone from Nigeria is a scammer. Africa is a pretty big
> place, and you know what, I've met many South Africans that are real nice
> (even employed a few). I've always been someone who defends America when
> people run it down, but it is a two way street, don't treat a whole country
> as criminals because you don't know the difference between one side of a
> continent from another, its kind of insulting you know. And some day you
> might well need the rest of us, you never know.
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This is clearly a delicate subject.  As someone pointed out, if the
nature of your business does not lend itself to business transactions
from other countries, then it should not negatively impact a potential
legitimate customer from that range of IP from doing business with you
because it would never happen.  A friend of mine has an automotive
repair shop (who's business would only come from area residents) and
sells tires.  He once received a call from someone from outside the
country looking to purchase 4 tires (some of the higher end ones) and
have them shipped.  It was a stolen credit card and he pretty much
knew that so never processed the order.  An employee might not have
been as alert or as diligent and might have processed it.  This could
have just as easily been via email.  Point is in his case if his
business does not lend itself to having customers or suppliers
originating from a particular geographical area, then blocking
anything from that geographical area would not impact him or a
legitimate customer.  No harm, no foul.  It would protect his business
from potential scam activity from outside his area (if it comes from
within, then hopefully it wasn't someone going through a proxy so
therefore hopefully someone within the reach of the long arm of the
law).

Someone pointed out that 100% of the traffic they receive from Africa
are scams.  That does not mean that 100% of all the traffic
originating from Africa are scams.  There is a difference.  In the
first instance it's 100% of the traffic that THEY receive whereas in
the second case it's 100% of ALL traffic (including the millions of
messages floating out there that the person who made that statement
DOES NOT receive).  However it lends great support to the argument.
His business no doubt does not lend itself to having customers from
that part of the world.  Therefore he would never see legitimate
traffic coming from there as legitimate individuals from there would
have no reason to seek to do business from there.  So the only traffic
he sees (hence 100% of the traffic he sees) originating from there are
scams because only the scammers from Africa would have reason to seek
to contact him under the pretext of a business transaction.

A business in Africa with no business ties to North America (hence
would see no emails from customers or suppliers coming from North
America) could possibly make the same statement, that 100% of the
emails they receive from North America are scams.  Because the honest
North American has no valid reason to seek a business transaction with
them much like the honest African has no reason to seek a business
transaction with many companies in North America.  So in that case it
would be equally appropriate for that African company to block emails
from North Amercian IPs.

A company co

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

[Les Mikesell]

John R Pierce wrote:



ok, so in your setup the OS is totally separate from the data itself?


indeed, almost all my servers are setup this way, too.   A pair of 
smaller disks, 36GB or 80GB are mirrored for the OS and software, then 
populate the rest with large disks in raid10  or raid5 for whatever task 
this server is intended for (database or bulk storage, or whatever).


This strategy is probably most useful when you have several machines 
that are similar enough to swap drives and keep a spare chassis around 
that you can use as a backup and to build/test your next major update. I 
generally use smaller disks for the 1st pair, but if there is extra 
space you can use it for something that changes slowly enough that you 
would be able to rsync it over to the replacement before the swap.  The 
main thing is to not include the OS drives in LVM or RAID0 with the 
others that you don't expect to swap.


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[CentOS] Re: kickstart and lang

[Jerry Geis]

lang en_US.UTF-8
langsupport --default en_US.UTF-8 en_US.UTF-8
  

Thanks I added the langsupport line this morning and tried it.
It no longer stops at that screen.

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Re: [CentOS] iptables connlimit

[Marcelo Roccasalva]

On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 4:19 AM, Peter Riley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> noro wrote:
>> hi,
>>
>> i try use iptables connlimit,

[...]

> Hi. The problem isn't yours alone. Despite the man page, there is no
> support for the iptables connlimit match in CentOS 5 nor any previous
> version.

Maybe you can make the recent module do the job, kind of...

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RE: [CentOS] African IP addresses list

[Tony Wicks]

>
I would like to add something, as a South African citizen. South Africa, 
is NOT part of Africa for that matter, it's a republic on it's own. It's 
almost like saying "Let's ban America, cause someone in Mexico spammed 
me". South Africa, which is on the 196/8 range does a LOT of business 
overseas in many countries, and I do want to warn that you could loose a 
lot of good business due to this practice.


Most of the fraud you experience could come from Nigeria, or one of the 
other central & western Africa countries. To ban a whole continent 
because of problems some countries cause could be problematic.


For that matter is China a different country from Russia, from 
Switzerland, even though they share the same land mass



--

I need to put my 2c in here. I'm from New Zealand, we are a first world 
democratic country (the first in the worlds to give the vote to ALL 
adults I may mention). I have had the misfortune many of times of being 
unable to transact business because people from the US in their 
ignorance think, that New Zealand, isn't that part of Australia, which 
is right next to Asia, can't do business with those Asians, they will 
rip me off. Now sometimes people from the US have asked me why people in 
the other parts of the world get a bit annoyed at the "the only country 
that is free and true if the good old US of A" attitude, and well here 
you go as an example. Lets ban all of Africa because someone from 
Nigeria is a scammer. Africa is a pretty big place, and you know what, 
I've met many South Africans that are real nice (even employed a few). 
I've always been someone who defends America when people run it down, 
but it is a two way street, don't treat a whole country as criminals 
because you don’t know the difference between one side of a continent 
from another, its kind of insulting you know. And some day you might 
well need the rest of us, you never know.



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Re: [CentOS] Yum repository for bacula for CentOS 5?

[Kevin Thorpe]

Bent Terp wrote:

On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Akemi Yagi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:49 AM, Kevin Thorpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Can anyone point me at a yum repository containing a CentOS 5 version of
bacula?
  

Check out the EPEL repository.  Please see (near the bottom):

http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories



Kinda old, ain't it? At least we're only one release behind ;-)

  
Old is good enough for me at the moment. We've just got hosted servers 
which run the bacula client so
I needed something I could use to pull data from them on to our DLT. 
Sort-of works, bacula needs a
degree in astrophysics to set up. Hopefully it works fine once I've 
configured it correctly. It's certainly

fast local drive -> DLT.

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Re: [CentOS] Rebuild of kernel 2.6.9-67.0.20.EL failure

[Jim Perrin]

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 5:31 AM, Kai Schaetzl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Next time you want to present such a massive amount of logs put them up on
> the web and warn people ;-) Thanks.


I don't think he did it intentionally, so how's about we all forgive
and forget, or turn the other cheek, or whatever else you wish to do
just this once.

 YES I realize the humor involved in me being the voice of compassion
and reason here, so stuff it. :-P



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Re: [CentOS] African IP addresses list

[Rudi Ahlers]

Matt Arnilo S. Baluyos (Mailing Lists) wrote:

On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 4:58 AM, Miark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

... and by "high rate" I assume you mean 100%, just as my
company has experienced.



Yes. Our company had lost some money because of this incident. It has
all the signs of an organized syndicate as they use stolen credit
cards to buy from our store and then have the goods shipped to an
address in Australia which forwards to wherever they are going to pick
them up.

  

Has anyone here a list of addresses from Africa already?
  

I use:

 * 041/8
 * 154/8
 * 196/8

which I got from here:

 * http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space



Thanks. That is exactly what I was looking for. I have now added a
rule to our firewall (APF).



  
I would like to add something, as a South African citizen. South Africa, 
is NOT part of Africa for that matter, it's a republic on it's own. It's 
almost like saying "Let's ban America, cause someone in Mexico spammed 
me".  South Africa, which is on the 196/8 range does a LOT of business 
overseas in many countries,
and I do want to warn that you could loose a lot of good business due to 
this practice.


Most of the fraud you experience could come from Nigeria, or one of the 
other central & western Africa countries. To ban a whole continent 
because of problems some countries cause could be problematic.


For that matter is China a different country from Russia, from 
Switzerland, even though they share the same land mass




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Re: [CentOS] African IP addresses list

[Matt Arnilo S. Baluyos (Mailing Lists)]

On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 2:58 AM, Raymond Lillard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Matt,
>
> I've no idea where on planet Earth you are located, but
> if you think firewalling any block of addresses is good
> policy for your site, that is your prerogative.
>
> I am aware of several small companies whose business
> interests are confined to with in a few hours driving
> distance from their offices.  Accepting traffic only
> from ARIN, blocking all others reduced spam and various
> other misbehaviors by more than 50%.
>
> These businesses have computing facilities for the
> operation of the business and not for entertainment
> of its employees.  Address blocking and clear acceptable
> use policies have greatly reduced IT administration
> costs for these companies.
>
> Go to IANA for the list of class A address allocations.
>
> http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space

Thanks Ray.

We are an Australian company and we only ship to within Australia so
it's highly suspicious that someone from Africa would be ordering from
our online store.


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Re: [CentOS] African IP addresses list

[Matt Arnilo S. Baluyos (Mailing Lists)]

On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 4:58 AM, Miark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ... and by "high rate" I assume you mean 100%, just as my
> company has experienced.

Yes. Our company had lost some money because of this incident. It has
all the signs of an organized syndicate as they use stolen credit
cards to buy from our store and then have the goods shipped to an
address in Australia which forwards to wherever they are going to pick
them up.

>> Has anyone here a list of addresses from Africa already?
> I use:
>
>  * 041/8
>  * 154/8
>  * 196/8
>
> which I got from here:
>
>  * http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space

Thanks. That is exactly what I was looking for. I have now added a
rule to our firewall (APF).



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Re: [CentOS] 2.6.18-92.1.6.el5xen hangs Samba daemon

[Brett Serkez]

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Brett Serkez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> I'm running 2.6.18-92.1.6.el5.bz_pre53 and samba is working for me.  There 
>> was
>> an rpmnew question during the update.  Could that be the problem?
>
> I run into the problem with: 2.6.18-92.1.6.el5xen, the xen version of
> the kernel.
>
> Just to re-verify the issue, I rebooted back to the above kernel and
> this time Samba starts right up no problem!
>
> I had tried this earlier and it did not.  I'll have to keep an eye on
> it over time and see if the behavior changes again.

Just as a follow up, after a reboot (without any updates) the network
on this system fails to start.  Either the kernel or system seems
unstable, given this is a brand new system I suspect the kernel, I'll
have to go on-site to further investigate.

Brett
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[CentOS] self Certificate Authority, using /etc/pki/tls/misc/CA

[David Hláčik]

Hello all,

lately i am facing problems with Certification Authorities.
I have used centos script /etc/pki/tls/misc/CA my own certificate authority.
In next steps i am generating requests for certificates to services such as
LDAP,NNRPD and lately signing requests with CA. My approach is to import my
own CA into Windows Vista OS as root CA and trusted, to avoid messages in
clients such as "certificate could not be verified, certificate is not
signed or cerficate authority cannot be verified".

When i asked for help at openssl mailinglist i have recieved interesting
answer :

Just make sure your certificate is actually one "son" of your CA.
>
> It is right To make one CA cert with the 509 extensions set to CA
>X509v3 Basic Constraints:
>CA:TRUE
>X509v3 Key Usage:
>Certificate Sign, CRL Sign
>Netscape Cert Type:
>SSL CA, S/MIME CA
>
> But it is a mistake to make the "son" as ANOTHER SELF SIGNED cert with
> those
> extensions not set as CA
> X509v3 extensions:
>X509v3 Basic Constraints:
>CA:FALSE
>Netscape Cert Type:
>SSL Client, SSL Server, S/MIME, Object Signing
>X509v3 Key Usage:
>Digital Signature, Non Repudiation, Key Encipherment
>Netscape Comment:
>
> I know of important companies doing this mistake.
> The second cert has to be one SIGNED by the first CA authority, not a
> selfsigned one with CA fields "off" of false.
> Said in other words: the second cert is the result or output of a CSR
> (certificate signing request) signed by the CA cert.


Yes, that is true, so why this is not so in case of  /etc/pki/tls/misc/CA .
All my generated server certificates signed with own CA, using this script
have :

X509v3 extensions:
> X509v3 Basic Constraints:
> CA:FALSE
> Netscape Comment:
> OpenSSL Generated Certificate
> X509v3 Subject Key Identifier:
> CC:FC:A1:2D:DE:CD:D1:9E:34:F3:89:08:F9:D6:30:79:AF:EE:6B:94
> X509v3 Authority Key Identifier:
>
> keyid:C7:B9:B0:BC:5A:A2:73:18:02:F2:80:E2:8A:0C:BC:58:0C:87:14:95


Thanks in advance!

DAVID
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Re: [CentOS] Rebuild of kernel 2.6.9-67.0.20.EL failure

[Kai Schaetzl]

Next time you want to present such a massive amount of logs put them up on 
the web and warn people ;-) Thanks.

Kai

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Re: [CentOS] Acer 5920 audio chip does not work in CentOS 5.2?

[William L. Maltby]

On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 23:51 -0500, Alex White wrote:
> hce wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I've installed CentOS 5.2 to a laptop Acer 5920 for dual boot, the
> > audio works in Window Vista, but does not work in CentOS 5.2. Does
> > CentOS 5.2 support following audio chip or not?
> > 
> > Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio
> > Controller (rev 03)
> > 
> > Thank you.
> > 
> > Kind Regards,
> > 
> > Jim
> 
> When you say it doesn't work, are you getting an error message 
> saying that there's no sound device?
> 
> Does lspci list your soundcard? If you have a super long list and 
> can't locate it easily, you can try (but I can't promise this will 
> work for you, it does for me however) lspci | grep audio
> 
> If I recall you're using gnome. You should (but may not) have a 
> volume icon on your panel. Right click that icon and ensure that the 
> mute box is not checked. If it's not checked, select "Open Volume 
> Control" and make sure your volume is turned up. If you still do not 
> have sound try right clicking the volume speaker icon again and 
> selecting "Preferences". Make sure that the correct device is selected.

Be aware that the volume control panel default settings may not show all
the pertinent controls. In that panel you may need to edit preferences
to show such things as PCM control, etc. Some of these may also be muted
and/or set to very low volumes.

> 
> 

> HTH
> 
> Alex White
> 

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[CentOS] Re: Re: Re: Rebuild of kernel 2.6.9-67.0.20.EL failure

[John]

"John R Pierce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in 
bericht news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> John wrote:
>> What did I do offend you or others?
>>
>
> sending 400K bytes of unsolicited attachments to 1000s of mailboxes is not 
> exactly polite.

My intention was to provide log's to clarify my observed problem, I did not 
realize the impact of you comment. My apologies to all members of the 
mailinglist.




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RE: [CentOS] Spacewalk from Redhat

[Geoff Galitz]

Maybe this will answer your question in regards to database choice (directly
from the wiki FAQ):

-

Spacewalk Architecture
Why do you use Oracle? Any plans for supporting other databases? 

Originally the Spacewalk code base was used as a hosted application and
Oracle was a good choice for a hosted application in 2001. Over the years
open source databases such as PostgreSQL and MySQL have improved
tremendously in terms of stability, speed, and scalability. We have not had
the resources allocated in the past to add support for an open source
database but want to do so soon. 

What if I don't have Oracle? 
See the instructions here for information about the XE version:
OracleXeSetup 

--

IOW, you can get an Oracle instance (apparently) for free to support
Spacewalk.

-geoff





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Blankenheim NRW, Deutschland
http://www.galitz.org

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Amos Shapira
Sent: Dienstag, 1. Juli 2008 09:53
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Subject: Re: [CentOS] Spacewalk from Redhat

2008/7/1 Tom Lanyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
On 01/07/2008, at 2:19 PM, Amos Shapira wrote:
2008/6/30 Bazy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Hello,

Is anyone using Spacewalk (http://www.redhat.com/spacewalk/) on CentOS 5 or
4? What kind of hardware are you useing it on?

Do I read it right that it requires Oracle 9??
(http://tinyurl.com/6rff8l) or am I missing something?

9 or 10, I believe.

Blahh 9, 10, whatever - it's not free.
I'd sort of expect it to work with PostgresQL/MySQL.

"Weird choice", as the guy who works for me put it.

Thanks for the clarification.

--Amos


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Re: [CentOS] where is ProxyHTMLURLMap for C5 ?

[Tomasz 'Zen' Napierala]

Monday 30 June 2008 16:49:29 tblader napisał(a):
> Hello,
> I'm setting up a reverse proxy in Apache (httpd-2.2.3-11.el5_1.centos.3)
>
> I have some pages being served which contain hard-coded names of machines
> behind the proxy, which obviously do not resolve on the client side.
>
> I found an Apache config item called ProxyHTMLURLMap* which supposedly
> will allow me to re-write these hostnames, but can't seem to find the
> apache module to install
>
>  Starting httpd: 'ProxyHTMLURLMap', perhaps misspelled or defined
>  by a module not included in the server configuration
>
> Anyone know what the name of that rpm/module is for Centos 5?
> Thanks!

You need mod_proxy_html, but unfortunately it's a third party module, and as 
such is not included in apache distribution. Check 
http://www.apachetutor.org/admin/reverseproxies for how to build that module 
with existing apache instalation.

Regards,
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Systems Architecture Engineer
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Re: [CentOS] Spacewalk from Redhat

[Tom Lanyon]

On 01/07/2008, at 5:23 PM, Amos Shapira wrote:


Blahh 9, 10, whatever - it's not free.
I'd sort of expect it to work with PostgresQL/MySQL.

"Weird choice", as the guy who works for me put it.

Thanks for the clarification.

--Amos



It has (only just) spawned from a non-open, non-free system (RHN  
satellite) so it was easy to only use one database, so why wouldn't  
they use Oracle?


They plan to make it work with Pg, MySQL, etc.

Oracle XE is free and will work with Spacewalk but there's a few bugs  
which exist in this environment.

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