[CentOS-es] Acerca de NS
Hola, la pregunta no viene mucho en la lista, pero, tal vez alguno de ustedes me puede ayudar Recientemente contrate servicio con unos proveedores de VPS (vpszone y vpsdeploy), me mandaron toda la informacion necesaria, pero estos no traian NS (nameserver), entonces no he podido configurar mi dominio para que me resuelva los DNS. En este caso, solamente los VPS cuentan con una IP, tengo entendido que con 2 ip's podria configurar los mios, por ejemplo: ns1.midominio.com (una ip) ns2.midominio.com (otra ip) pero como solamente tengo una IP, como podría configurar esto? Ya pregunte a soporte tecnico de vpsdeploy y me salieron con una payasada: No ofrecemos soporte sys, pero por 25 dolares te lo configuramos con virtualmin y 10 mensuales te lo monitoreamos Obviamente solamente quería que me dieran los nameservers no que me hicieran la configuración, alguno tiene una experiencia con estos? o alguna idea? Gracias. -- Carlos Sura.- ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es
Re: [CentOS] Triggering script from cron or web client
On Fri, 8 Jul 2011, Kenneth Porter wrote: To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org From: Kenneth Porter sh...@sewingwitch.com Subject: Re: [CentOS] Triggering script from cron or web client On Friday, July 08, 2011 11:05 PM +0100 Keith Roberts ke...@karsites.net wrote: Is this something you could do with AJAX? You mean JavaScript on the web client? That won't do anything for me on the server. Well the AJAX would be running on the server side, and the results would be received by the client running the server-sided code over your network. Here's a nice little demo of using The XMLHttpRequest Object: http://www.w3schools.com/xml/xml_http.asp HTH Keith - Websites: http://www.karsites.net http://www.php-debuggers.net http://www.raised-from-the-dead.org.uk All email addresses are challenge-response protected with TMDA [http://tmda.net] - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Where can I download centos 6
since you replied to my post I guess you're talking to me? If so you're wrong: *I* didn't post anything on qaweb.dev.centos.org , I'm just a centos user that went looking for information on that site, clicked on a few links/tabs and found the information I was looking for. Wasn't too hard, no neuronal overheat to report. But I still posted the direct link, so you and others can follow the progress without posting here every other day. I apologise my email was not directed at you ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Where can I download centos 6
So IS IT OUT YET :) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Triggering script from cron or web client
On 7/9/11, Keith Roberts ke...@karsites.net wrote: Well the AJAX would be running on the server side, and the results would be received by the client running the server-sided code over your network. AJAX is a browser/client side method, it doesn't solve his fundamental server side requirements which remains the same whether it's triggered by traditional synchronous methods or through AJAX methods. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Where can I download centos 6
On 7/9/11, Mark Bradbury mark.bradb...@gmail.com wrote: So IS IT OUT YET :) http://qaweb.dev.centos.org/qa/node/105#comment-115 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Where can I download centos 6
Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: IS IT OUT YET :) http://qaweb.dev.centos.org/qa/node/105#comment-115 Wouldn't it be simpler to add all these little extras together, and enter Probable appearance on mirrors on the calendar? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 supported hardware
On Friday, July 08, 2011 12:01:36 PM Christopher Chan wrote: Professional Wireless Router? That knocked me off my seat :-D. 'Wireless router' has become associated in my mind with that device you put in homes. So what professional wireless routers are out there? Cisco has a few; see the ISR G2 1941W for one that is a 'cut above' the former Linksys product lines. Larger Cisco ISR's (2900 and 3900 series) support a network module that acts as a supervisor of sorts for Cisco access points, too. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 supported hardware
On Saturday, July 09, 2011 10:35 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: On Friday, July 08, 2011 12:01:36 PM Christopher Chan wrote: Professional Wireless Router? That knocked me off my seat :-D. 'Wireless router' has become associated in my mind with that device you put in homes. So what professional wireless routers are out there? Cisco has a few; see the ISR G2 1941W for one that is a 'cut above' the former Linksys product lines. Larger Cisco ISR's (2900 and 3900 series) support a network module that acts as a supervisor of sorts for Cisco access points, too. /me shrugs. I am happy as a fish in water with them Aerohive 340 APs and HP 2910al PoE+ switches. Lifetime warranty, downloadable firmware for the switches and the access points have proven to be pain free once setup. No blooming uber expensive support contract to deal with. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Where can I download centos 6
Yes it is! I'm in Brazil and I've downloaded the 64 bits (2 DVD's) and the 32 bits version. These are the mirrors that are activilly distributing now: http://centos.mirror.nexicom.net/6.0/isos/ http://centos.intergenia.de/6.0/isos/ http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/sites/mirror.centos.org/6.0/isos/ http://centos.builddesigncreate.com/mirror/6.0/isos/ http://centos.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/centos/6.0/isos/ http://mirror.for.me.uk/centos/6.0/isos/ It is not available everywhere. They are putting on-line since 07/07/2011. From yesterday, they are slowly appearing in some coutries. Em 09-07-2011 09:59, Mark Bradbury escreveu: So IS IT OUT YET :) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Edson D. Amaral Pref. Mun. de So Sebastio - SP (12) 3891-2044 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Where can I download centos 6
On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 12:08:13PM -0300, Edson - PMSS wrote: Please fix your mail program to operate within RFC guidelines; your mail was only in html, that's not compliant with the standards - it requires a plain text version of your text as well. Please note that this mailing list has a policy against html-only mail: http://www.centos.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=16 CentOS-6 is not released yet; you are using leaked content which is subject to recall and reissue at any point before the official announcement on this mailing list as well as on http://www.centos.org. Hopefully the CentOS project will address the issues of the leaking mirrors at some point; from memory I seem to recall nexicom doing this in the past as well. Mirror admins should know better. John -- An expectation is a premeditated resentment. -- Nina Paley, Mimi Eunice, 14 September 2010, pgp4pITT273ch.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] CentOS-6, isos and release
hi guys, I appreciate that the visibility of centos-6 content is highly tempting and many people are going to be jumping in to get on there asap - however, I just want to point out that till its released, its liable to change. And I can *confirm* that content presently visible is going to change. So hang in there, give it another day or so - dont do the installs till the mirror system is online, till the sha sum's for content is published, till the torrents are available. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Where can I download centos 6
On 07/08/2011 03:48 PM, Mark Bradbury wrote: Reading QA web site, fair estimate is it will take 2-3 days for us to be Bollocks. this IS the only place to post to, as information is sorely lacking. the centos user list isnt the best place to communicate process stuff. It has zero tolerance for constructive development around. if you just want stuff coming down to you, subscribe to the rss feed from the qaweb interface. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Where can I download centos 6
On 07/08/2011 09:59 PM, Steven Crothers wrote: zero useful information on the development cycle, and discourages people to register and be a part of the community or development process What there makes you think that is the case ? Plenty of people have joined the efforts in the recent months and have made a massive impact on stuff. I think you are just taking a dig at those people for making the efforts and for actually doing something constructive. or if you think there is some aspect of that site which causes people to think that they cant help or get involved, then do share - lets see how we can improve that. there is definitely a lot of scope for people to join, help and make things better - and quite a few have. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Where can I download centos 6
I intend to use the iso images I downloaded for testing and not in a production environment. As there was not found the md5sum and sha1sum files to check the isos. I agree with your recommendation, because in terms of safety, it is best to wait a little longer. I really like CentOS, but it is undeniable the delay in the release of version 6.0. The big advantage is that it aroused the interest of other Linux distributions such as Scientific, ClearOS and Oracle Linux. Em 09-07-2011 13:02, Karanbir Singh escreveu: On 07/08/2011 09:59 PM, Steven Crothers wrote: zero useful information on the development cycle, and discourages people to register and be a part of the community or development process What there makes you think that is the case ? Plenty of people have joined the efforts in the recent months and have made a massive impact on stuff. I think you are just taking a dig at those people for making the efforts and for actually doing something constructive. or if you think there is some aspect of that site which causes people to think that they cant help or get involved, then do share - lets see how we can improve that. there is definitely a lot of scope for people to join, help and make things better - and quite a few have. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Edson D. Amaral Pref. Mun. de São Sebastião - SP (12) 3891-2044 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 supported hardware
Christopher Chan wrote: On Saturday, July 09, 2011 10:35 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: On Friday, July 08, 2011 12:01:36 PM Christopher Chan wrote: Professional Wireless Router? That knocked me off my seat :-D. 'Wireless router' has become associated in my mind with that device you put in homes. So what professional wireless routers are out there? Cisco has a few; see the ISR G2 1941W for one that is a 'cut above' the former Linksys product lines. Larger Cisco ISR's (2900 and 3900 series) support a network module that acts as a supervisor of sorts for Cisco access points, too. /me shrugs. I am happy as a fish in water with them Aerohive 340 APs and HP 2910al PoE+ switches. Lifetime warranty, downloadable firmware for the switches and the access points have proven to be pain free once setup. No blooming uber expensive support contract to deal with. Those can be marked as Office applications, but not the professional. Professional link Today would be those that can pass 150Mbps of *real* throughtput with full routing up to the distance of 30km, or 75Mbps up to 55km. And it can be done under 1000 EUR ($1500) without large batteries, solar chargers or similar accessory gear. And those routers/AP's that are rated 300Mbps and have 100Mbps LAN and weak CPU. heh. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Triggering script from cron or web client
On 7/8/2011 5:43 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Kenneth Porter wrote: On Friday, July 08, 2011 11:05 PM +0100 Keith Robertske...@karsites.net wrote: Is this something you could do with AJAX? You mean JavaScript on the web client? That won't do anything for me on the server. Note that the problem isn't strictly a web server problem. That just happens to be the place where I want to initially trigger this from. But I might also do it from a shell login. What I need is a way to kick a service so it doesn't wait for the next periodic interval to run a script. It would also be useful to have the kick block until the script finishes so I know when the results are available. Read about Webmin. it's web interface for Linux administration that has as a part the cron job manipulation. You can change parameters disable/enable and run at once any cron job or service. That's not going to give him atomic operations if the web/cron jobs hit at the same time or a bunch of web users all click the update button at once. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] how to enable Flow Control on CentOS?
On 7/8/2011 5:50 PM, Giles Coochey wrote: On 07/07/2011 17:30, Les Mikesell wrote: Old Cisco switches - and Cisco's advice about how to work around their problems - are just the main reason that anyone would ever have turned off auto-negotiate. And it is a big problem if you only turn if off at one end which is what you end up with as you start to change equipment, because the other end will always get it wrong. These days, if a device doesn't negotiate properly you should probably just replace it. The problem is not the auto-negotiation iteself, but the fact that if one side hard codes its speed to 100-Full Duplex then the other side cannot auto-negotiate to 100-Full Duplex. It also needs to be hard-coded to 100-Full duplex - The auto-negotiation is not a I'll do what you're set to type protocol, but a let's see what's best for us protocol. There was actually never any problem with auto-negotiation itself - it did exactly what it said on the box, just that it didn't work if either end turned it off and hard coded it's speed. Yes, if it hurts, don't do it. Having seen my fair share of performance problems, if you don't have console access to both interfaces then agree on the speed and duplex and hard code it - saves a lot of faffing about and almost always works a treat. Turning off negotiation pretty much guarantees problems if anything changes at the other end or you use an unmanaged switch. And the gigabit spec requires auto-negotiation. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Triggering script from cron or web client
On 7/8/2011 4:58 PM, Kenneth Porter wrote: I have a Bash script, currently run a couple times an hour from cron, that pulls data from an old Windows DB by rsync, converts it to SQL, and injects it into a MySQL DB for display in a LAMP-based app. (Make and Perl are also involved to minimize the number of tables touched and to clean up the SQL generated by Pxlib.) I'd like to add the ability to refresh the data immediately from the web app, but I don't want it to trample on the periodic script and corrupt the data. I figure the ideal way to do this is to run the script in a loop in its own process, waiting on a semaphore that times out at the refresh period, and poke the semaphore from the web app to have it run before the next periodic cycle. Are there existing frameworks to wrap this kind of thing in? Something that handles starting the loop at server startup, shutting it down at server halt, and handles the IPC between the web server and the service script. You already have a DB connection in common - can't the update script itself lock something in the DB while it works?Or just make the web script wait for the cron job to complete if you are anywhere near the time for it to run. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] More on CentOS autotools bug
On 7/8/2011 9:45 AM, John Hodrien wrote: I was curious, so *did* find out what the cause was, and it's entirely not CentOS's fault. It's very hard to shoot blindly given that the cause was likely not to be CentOS. That only left his autoconf files, and tracing configure made it quite easy to find. So he's done something non-standard that he doesn't remember on the RH system where he claims it works -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Triggering script from cron or web client
Les Mikesell wrote: On 7/8/2011 5:43 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Kenneth Porter wrote: On Friday, July 08, 2011 11:05 PM +0100 Keith Robertske...@karsites.net wrote: Is this something you could do with AJAX? You mean JavaScript on the web client? That won't do anything for me on the server. Note that the problem isn't strictly a web server problem. That just happens to be the place where I want to initially trigger this from. But I might also do it from a shell login. What I need is a way to kick a service so it doesn't wait for the next periodic interval to run a script. It would also be useful to have the kick block until the script finishes so I know when the results are available. Read about Webmin. it's web interface for Linux administration that has as a part the cron job manipulation. You can change parameters disable/enable and run at once any cron job or service. That's not going to give him atomic operations if the web/cron jobs hit at the same time or a bunch of web users all click the update button at once. Yeah, I got that latter, when I read it the second time and some of the replies. I misunderstood him at first read. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] how to enable Flow Control on CentOS?
On 09/07/2011 01:06, Les Mikesell wrote: Turning off negotiation pretty much guarantees problems if anything changes at the other end or you use an unmanaged switch. And the gigabit spec requires auto-negotiation. Let me make it clear - auto-negotiation only works if auto-negotiation is configured on both sides. It does not work if one side hard codes the speed and duplex. Both sides have to be set for it to negotiate. Agreeing on speed and duplex ensures that it will work. If something is going to change on the remote end without you knowing, or your provider is using an unmanaged switch then it's time to change provider :-) - they obviously are cheapskates and don't have any change management control on their systems. Gigabit is different. -- Best Regards, Giles Coochey NetSecSpec Ltd NL T-Systems Mobile: +31 681 265 086 NL Mobile: +31 626 508 131 GIB Mobile: +350 5401 6693 Business Email: giles.cooc...@netsecspec.co.uk Email/MSN/Live Messenger: gi...@coochey.net Skype: gilescoochey smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Triggering script from cron or web client
On Fri, 8 Jul 2011, Les Mikesell wrote: To: centos@centos.org From: Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [CentOS] Triggering script from cron or web client ...snip... You already have a DB connection in common - can't the update script itself lock something in the DB while it works?Or just make the web script wait for the cron job to complete if you are anywhere near the time for it to run. Sounds like it needs to be one main script, that branches depending on how it is called - ie from cron or ssh or curl or whatever? Maybe saving the current state of the script in an ENV variable whenever the script is run, check for the current status of the script before making a decision on what to do, when it is called next time? Keith Roberts - Websites: http://www.karsites.net http://www.php-debuggers.net http://www.raised-from-the-dead.org.uk All email addresses are challenge-response protected with TMDA [http://tmda.net] - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Where can I download centos 6
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 13:23 -0300, Edson - PMSS wrote: distributions such as Scientific, ClearOS and Oracle Linux. Scientific Linux, like Centos, is entirely free whilst the remaining two are de facto parasites - attempting to re-sell (for commercial profit) the freely distributed work of Red Hat Inc. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. 1 June 2010 Exclusively Centos Gnome. Liberated from M$ Windoze. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6, isos and release
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 16:54 +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote: And I can *confirm* that content presently visible is going to change. KB, why would the contents of C 6.0 change during the currency of C 6.0 ? -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. 1 June 2010 Exclusively Centos Gnome. Liberated from M$ Windoze. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Where can I download centos 6
Hi, On 07/09/2011 05:23 PM, Edson - PMSS wrote: I really like CentOS, but it is undeniable the delay in the release of version 6.0. yes, we all clearly take that on board - I hope the changes we are bringing in helps clear that, and prevent this sort of a situation. But there are still lots of places for improvements, and over the next few months lets try and address all of those. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS-6, isos and release
On 07/09/2011 06:30 PM, Always Learning wrote: And I can *confirm* that content presently visible is going to change. KB, why would the contents of C 6.0 change during the currency of C 6.0 ? Some of the content isnt there yet; some of the things needed a change due to an issue in the comps file etc. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Where can I download centos 6
Quoting Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.org: Hi, On 07/09/2011 05:23 PM, Edson - PMSS wrote: I really like CentOS, but it is undeniable the delay in the release of version 6.0. yes, we all clearly take that on board - I hope the changes we are bringing in helps clear that, please say what those changes are and prevent this sort of a situation. But there are still lots of places for improvements, and over the next few months lets try and address all of those. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. Krishnamurti ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Where can I download centos 6
Always Learning wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 13:23 -0300, Edson - PMSS wrote: distributions such as Scientific, ClearOS and Oracle Linux. Scientific Linux, like Centos, is entirely free whilst the remaining two are de facto parasites - attempting to re-sell (for commercial profit) the freely distributed work of Red Hat Inc. ClearOS is open source, and an excellent product. It's target is Firewall/gateway, or All-in-one with excellent web configuration front-end and marvelous integration of Servers, database, users... Especially suited for noob's or people not wanting to spend time learning administration. What they charge are additional services like AntiVirus, backup, MX backup, On-line domain copy If you do not need them, you don't pay anything. And they used CentOS 5.x for base when they changed from ClarkConnect (with Home and paid Office and Enterprise versions) to ClearOS Foundation. If it was not for ClarkConnect (rpm based, RHEL at the core), my first Linux server/router/firewall, I might not choose CentOS and might not learn so much about iptables, etc. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Where can I download centos 6
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Always Learning cen...@u6.u22.net wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 13:23 -0300, Edson - PMSS wrote: distributions such as Scientific, ClearOS and Oracle Linux. Scientific Linux, like Centos, is entirely free whilst the remaining two are de facto parasites - attempting to re-sell (for commercial profit) the freely distributed work of Red Hat Inc. Oracle is selling for a profit but the goal of ClearOS Core is to be free just like Scientific Linux and Centos are. Even the ClearOS Enterprise is a free product. If you want additional services on top of ClearOS Enterprise it may cost you but the Core product is and will remain a free product. -Shad ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Working with the upstream vendor
On 07/09/2011 01:32 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote: yes, we all clearly take that on board - I hope the changes we are bringing in helps clear that, and prevent this sort of a situation. But there are still lots of places for improvements, and over the next few months lets try and address all of those. - KB Sorry for thread-jacking, but I wanted to start this thread in relation to your comment. As I understand it, a lot of the delay came from reproducing Red Hat's build environment. That being needed for the binary compatibility. With each new major release, the number of packages, and in turn, the amount of complexity grows. Is that a correct understanding? If so, then EL7 will be even harder to sort out and will lead to an even longer delay in release. I think there is a business case to be made for CentOS, from the point of view of Red Hat. My experience has been that a lot of people/companies start out on CentOS. After a while, those that succeed and do well eventually want to switch to Red Hat proper. As good as CentOS is, by it's very nature, it will always lag behind RHEL in so far as updates are concerned. Given all this; I think there is an argument for Red Hat wanting to assist CentOS. As we saw with this release, the delay drove people away from EL. I am sure many went to Debian or other non-EL distributions. Each of these defections is another potential future customer lost to Red Hat. If Red Hat could be convinced to help the CentOS team with things like setting up their build environment, they would help foster this potential customer base while investing minimal time and effort. Has anyone in the CentOS team approached Red Hat to discuss some sort of arrangement like this? As an anecdotal example; We've built our entire infrastructure on CentOS. Now, our clients who are doing well, we are moving to Red Hat proper while still using a lot of CentOS internally and for smaller clients. It's a very smooth fit and transition, thanks to CentOS's binary compatibility. Just an idea. Thanks for the hard work and I'm anxious to play with CentOS 6! -- Digimer E-Mail: digi...@alteeve.com Freenode handle: digimer Papers and Projects: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org I feel confined, only free to expand myself within boundaries. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Where can I download centos 6
On 07/09/2011 06:34 PM, Dave Stevens wrote: yes, we all clearly take that on board - I hope the changes we are bringing in helps clear that, please say what those changes are For one, a lot more people are involved - we have a much more streamlined process in place ( with plenty more scope for improvement ) - and there should be even more info coming through moving forward from 6.0 to 6.1, and more of an opportunity for even more - diverser - set of people to get involved. btw, artwork is one place where we could really use a hand, right now. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
Always Learning wrote: May I suggest that all us very grateful users of Centos make 6 copies of Centos 6.0 (either i386 or/and X64) and hand then out to friends, colleagues or strangers (unknown members of the public) who might be interested in trying Centos ? I already have several friends lined up for installation. But you should also be prepared to help them with install and primary setup, like adding third party repositories for audio/video codecs and similar. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Where can I download centos 6
On 07/09/2011 07:03 PM, Digimer wrote: btw, artwork is one place where we could really use a hand, right now. Are there any published guidelines for artwork? http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork is a good place to start, I would also recommend grabbing the relevant .src.rpm and working through that. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:13 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: But you should also be prepared to help them with install and primary setup, like adding third party repositories for audio/video codecs and similar. One of the most useful things I discovered was:- yum install gstreamer* which installs seemingly everything required to run the most popular audio and video applications in Gnome. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. 1 June 2010 Exclusively Centos Gnome. Liberated from M$ Windoze. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On 09/07/2011 20:13, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: I already have several friends lined up for installation. But you should also be prepared to help them with install and primary setup, like adding third party repositories for audio/video codecs and similar. Ljubomir And the next ten years or free technical support :) I do like Linux over other operating systems, but I wouldn't wish it on any of my non-techie friends... CentOS is what I primarily work on for Server Labs, not usually desktop environments anyway. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:18 +0200, Giles Coochey wrote: I do like Linux over other operating systems, but I wouldn't wish it on any of my non-techie friends... CentOS is what I primarily work on for Server Labs, not usually desktop environments anyway. One of my friends, a lady, not technical in any respect, uses Centos in preference to Windoze for her essential requirements like Facebook and web browsing. She thinks Centos is much faster than Windoze Vista on the same machine. Centos is usable on home PCs. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. 1 June 2010 Exclusively Centos Gnome. Liberated from M$ Windoze. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
Always Learning wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:13 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: But you should also be prepared to help them with install and primary setup, like adding third party repositories for audio/video codecs and similar. One of the most useful things I discovered was:- yum install gstreamer* which installs seemingly everything required to run the most popular audio and video applications in Gnome. Most but not all. Windows users have only mp3 music, especially if they have illegal copies like 90% of people in South East Europe. For those you need non-free codecs. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
Giles Coochey wrote: On 09/07/2011 20:13, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: I already have several friends lined up for installation. But you should also be prepared to help them with install and primary setup, like adding third party repositories for audio/video codecs and similar. Ljubomir And the next ten years or free technical support :) I do like Linux over other operating systems, but I wouldn't wish it on any of my non-techie friends... CentOS is what I primarily work on for Server Labs, not usually desktop environments anyway. I have my on CentOS 5.x repository with things like OpenOffice 3.3, latest Skype (static) packed into rpm, and even virtual rpms that install from mine and other third repos all that I like in Desktop application of Linux. CentOS 6.0 will be even better since it has newer base packages supporting new, better developed applications. When you add Wine+PlayOnLinux (70+ of newer games like Call of Duty 4), but with stability..., you have a winner. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Working with the upstream vendor
On 09/07/11 19:09, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Digimer wrote: I think there is a business case to be made for CentOS, from the point of view of Red Hat. My experience has been that a lot of people/companies start out on CentOS. After a while, those that succeed and do well eventually want to switch to Red Hat proper. As good as CentOS is, by it's very nature, it will always lag behind RHEL in so far as updates are concerned. Given all this; I think there is an argument for Red Hat wanting to assist CentOS. As we saw with this release, the delay drove people away from EL. I am sure many went to Debian or other non-EL distributions. Each of these defections is another potential future customer lost to Red Hat. My view is that problem arose when Oracle came into picture. They are aggressively steeling Red Hat customers using Rad Hat EL source. That is very possibly why Red Hat made recompiling EL source much harder, which reflected to CentOS team unprepared for such change. That's nonsense. Red Hat did not (deliberately) make recompiling the RHEL source harder, they made accessing specific knowledge base and bug related information harder for those who are not customers - a move designed to make it more difficult for companies such as Oracle to support RHEL and steal customers from Red Hat. The issues that sometimes make it difficult to recompile occasional RHEL packages have always existed and most likely always will. Filing a bug normally results in the issue being fixed, whatever it may be. The vast majority of packages in RHEL recompile without issue. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:25 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Always Learning wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:13 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: But you should also be prepared to help them with install and primary setup, like adding third party repositories for audio/video codecs and similar. One of the most useful things I discovered was:- yum install gstreamer* which installs seemingly everything required to run the most popular audio and video applications in Gnome. Most but not all. Windows users have only mp3 music, especially if they have illegal copies like 90% of people in South East Europe. For those you need non-free codecs. If MP3 music 'works' (meaning it successfully plays on Centos/Gnome) why would additional codecs be required ? I'm not very knowledgeable about codecs, which I assume are the audio equivalent of printer drivers. I understand yum install gstreamer* adds the legal and the 'bad' codecs which makes unplayable music playable in Centos/Gnome. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. 1 June 2010 Exclusively Centos Gnome. Liberated from M$ Windoze. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Giles Coochey wrote: To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org From: Giles Coochey gi...@coochey.net Subject: Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide On 09/07/2011 20:13, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: I already have several friends lined up for installation. But you should also be prepared to help them with install and primary setup, like adding third party repositories for audio/video codecs and similar. Ljubomir And the next ten years or free technical support :) I do like Linux over other operating systems, but I wouldn't wish it on any of my non-techie friends... CentOS is what I primarily work on for Server Labs, not usually desktop environments anyway. Well I'm *trying* to install M$ Vista on an Advent laptop. IMHO Compared to Centos 5.6, Vista is a royal pain. XP wasn't so bad. This is Vista Home Premium. The updates and security patches are a nightmare, compared to Centos's single yum update command. For Vista doing updates means putting patches on patches on patches. Why on earth can't the updates all be done at once, instead of update-reboot-reconfigure - then Windoze Update discovers more security patches, and the cycle begins again. How lame is that? I'm *very* tempted to start again with a fresh install, and forget the updates - they don't do much anyway! Is there such a thing as a secure Windoze computer? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13973805 'More than four million PCs have been enrolled in a botnet security experts say is almost indestructible. The botnet, known as TDL, targets Windows PCs and is difficult to detect and shut down. Code that hijacks a PC hides in places security software rarely looks and the botnet is controlled using custom-made encryption.' Kind Regards, Keith Roberts - Websites: http://www.karsites.net http://www.php-debuggers.net http://www.raised-from-the-dead.org.uk All email addresses are challenge-response protected with TMDA [http://tmda.net] - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Working with the upstream vendor
Ned Slider wrote: On 09/07/11 19:09, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Digimer wrote: I think there is a business case to be made for CentOS, from the point of view of Red Hat. My experience has been that a lot of people/companies start out on CentOS. After a while, those that succeed and do well eventually want to switch to Red Hat proper. As good as CentOS is, by it's very nature, it will always lag behind RHEL in so far as updates are concerned. Given all this; I think there is an argument for Red Hat wanting to assist CentOS. As we saw with this release, the delay drove people away from EL. I am sure many went to Debian or other non-EL distributions. Each of these defections is another potential future customer lost to Red Hat. My view is that problem arose when Oracle came into picture. They are aggressively steeling Red Hat customers using Rad Hat EL source. That is very possibly why Red Hat made recompiling EL source much harder, which reflected to CentOS team unprepared for such change. That's nonsense. Red Hat did not (deliberately) make recompiling the RHEL source harder, they made accessing specific knowledge base and bug related information harder for those who are not customers - a move designed to make it more difficult for companies such as Oracle to support RHEL and steal customers from Red Hat. The issues that sometimes make it difficult to recompile occasional RHEL packages have always existed and most likely always will. Filing a bug normally results in the issue being fixed, whatever it may be. The vast majority of packages in RHEL recompile without issue. What about C4 and C5 being able to recompile on beta versions but not C6? Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Always Learning wrote: To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org From: Always Learning cen...@u6.u22.net Subject: Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:25 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Always Learning wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:13 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: But you should also be prepared to help them with install and primary setup, like adding third party repositories for audio/video codecs and similar. One of the most useful things I discovered was:- yum install gstreamer* which installs seemingly everything required to run the most popular audio and video applications in Gnome. Most but not all. Windows users have only mp3 music, especially if they have illegal copies like 90% of people in South East Europe. For those you need non-free codecs. If MP3 music 'works' (meaning it successfully plays on Centos/Gnome) why would additional codecs be required ? I'm not very knowledgeable about codecs, which I assume are the audio equivalent of printer drivers. I understand yum install gstreamer* adds the legal and the 'bad' codecs which makes unplayable music playable in Centos/Gnome. I get all my extra codes from here: rpm -ivh http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/mplayer-codecs-20061022-1.i386.rpm rpm -ivh http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/mplayer-codecs-extra-20061022-1.i386.rpm I can play most audio and video formats on Centos 5.6 including MP3's and M$ format videos :) HTH Keith Roberts - Websites: http://www.karsites.net http://www.php-debuggers.net http://www.raised-from-the-dead.org.uk All email addresses are challenge-response protected with TMDA [http://tmda.net] - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
Always Learning wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:25 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Most but not all. Windows users have only mp3 music, especially if they have illegal copies like 90% of people in South East Europe. For those you need non-free codecs. If MP3 music 'works' (meaning it successfully plays on Centos/Gnome) why would additional codecs be required ? Does it? It was not my experience on either CentOS or Fedora. MP3 codecs are proprietary, and are not distributed by Red Hat distro's (RHEL and Fedora) I'm not very knowledgeable about codecs, which I assume are the audio equivalent of printer drivers. I understand yum install gstreamer* adds the legal and the 'bad' codecs which makes unplayable music playable in Centos/Gnome. As far as I know there is no codec in base repo that can play MP3 files. Not with Gstreamer nor with Xine. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
Keith Roberts wrote: I'm *very* tempted to start again with a fresh install, and forget the updates - they don't do much anyway! There is Autopatcher software, free. It downloads all updates from M$ site you might need and then you start the process of silent installation of patches. It can take 3-4 hours to update everithing (IE, Adobe, .Net, ...) but there are not many reboots, 2-3 maybe, depends. When you reboot just start paching process again and it will pick where it left off. And NEVER EVER leave Automatic update. EVER. If you do, better shoot your self in the head, it will heart far less. Is there such a thing as a secure Windoze computer? Sure. Any Powered down Windows is 100% secure :-) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13973805 'More than four million PCs have been enrolled in a botnet security experts say is almost indestructible. The botnet, known as TDL, targets Windows PCs and is difficult to detect and shut down. Code that hijacks a PC hides in places security software rarely looks and the botnet is controlled using custom-made encryption.' There is over a billion Windows PC's in the world... When users starts experiencing major slowdown they go and by new PC. What to say... Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Show your CentOS Support
hi guys, I have about 80 CentOS T-Shirts, ranging from Medium to 3XL in size. These are the grey T-shirts we can see Ralph, Garry and the guys from hostdime modeling for us at: http://www.karan.org/pics/centos/images/002-IMG_2571.JPG If you would like one, please send me an email on kbsingh at the centos.org domain, and let me know your address and what size you would want, I would be happy to ship it out to any part of the world as long as you are willing to cover postage costs ( as an example : they fit into jiffy bags that cost £1 at the postoffice, and its about £1.50 shipping per Tshirt to the UK via first class ). First come, first serve! And I will confirm costs before sending them out. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:42 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Always Learning wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:25 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Most but not all. Windows users have only mp3 music, especially if they have illegal copies like 90% of people in South East Europe. For those you need non-free codecs. If MP3 music 'works' (meaning it successfully plays on Centos/Gnome) why would additional codecs be required ? Does it? It was not my experience on either CentOS or Fedora. MP3 codecs are proprietary, and are not distributed by Red Hat distro's (RHEL and Fedora) I'm not very knowledgeable about codecs, which I assume are the audio equivalent of printer drivers. I understand yum install gstreamer* adds the legal and the 'bad' codecs which makes unplayable music playable in Centos/Gnome. As far as I know there is no codec in base repo that can play MP3 files. Not with Gstreamer nor with Xine. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Here is my setup which includes a few packages from rpmforge. Same setup on a dozen desktops with various hardware. All play mp3. ~]$ rpm -qa | grep gstreamer gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.10.11-1.el6.rf.x86_64 phonon-backend-gstreamer-4.6.2-17.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.19-2.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.16-2.el6.rf.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-extras-0.10.19-2.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-python-0.10.16-1.1.el6.x86_64 PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin-0.5.8-13.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-tools-0.10.29-1.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.23-1.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-0.10.29-1.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.19-3.el6.rf.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.29-1.el6.x86_64 [bmcclure@house ~]$ Cheers, B.J. RHEL 6.0, Linux 2.6.32-131.2.1.el6.x86_64 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
B.J. McClure wrote: Here is my setup which includes a few packages from rpmforge. Same setup on a dozen desktops with various hardware. All play mp3. ~]$ rpm -qa | grep gstreamer gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.10.11-1.el6.rf.x86_64 phonon-backend-gstreamer-4.6.2-17.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.19-2.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.16-2.el6.rf.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-extras-0.10.19-2.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-python-0.10.16-1.1.el6.x86_64 PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin-0.5.8-13.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-tools-0.10.29-1.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.23-1.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-0.10.29-1.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.19-3.el6.rf.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.29-1.el6.x86_64 [bmcclure@house ~]$ RPMForge is not the base/official repo, and you are using -ugly- package for MP3 Quote: GStreamer Ugly Plug-ins is a set of plug-ins that have good quality and correct functionality, but distributing them might pose problems. The license on either the plug-ins or the supporting libraries might not be how we'd like. The code might be widely known to present patent problems. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Saturday, July 09, 2011 02:25:12 PM Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Most but not all. Windows users have only mp3 music, especially if they have illegal copies like 90% of people in South East Europe. For those you need non-free codecs. It's not free, but Fluendo has a zero-cost MP3 decoder for the gstreamer framework. www.fluendo.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
Keith Roberts wrote: I get all my extra codes from here: rpm -ivh http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/mplayer-codecs-20061022-1.i386.rpm rpm -ivh http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/mplayer-codecs-extra-20061022-1.i386.rpm I can play most audio and video formats on Centos 5.6 including MP3's and M$ format videos :) Also not part of the official centos repo. And include codecs with license issues. Compare those mplayer-codecs packages and those shiped with Fedora and CentOS (or just look at Fedora and CentOS srpms) and you will see which codecs are removed from (official) Fedora and CentOS rpm's Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
Always Learning wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:18 +0200, Giles Coochey wrote: I do like Linux over other operating systems, but I wouldn't wish it on any of my non-techie friends... CentOS is what I primarily work on for Server Labs, not usually desktop environments anyway. One of my friends, a lady, not technical in any respect, uses Centos in preference to Windoze for her essential requirements like Facebook and web browsing. She thinks Centos is much faster than Windoze Vista on the same machine. Centos is usable on home PCs. I plan on creating CentOS 6.0 Desktop off-spin, changing only release package to add priorities and enable Plus and Extras repositories, and then add few selected third party repositories and/or hosting some extra packages not available via yum (VirtualBox, Shorewall, newer versions of OpenOffice,...). I might even see if CentOS and third party repos could create release packages with added Priority value, third party with chosen number higher then 1. I already have something similar but it uses script to backup and delete current files in /etc/yum.repos.d and install modified .repo files with set priority value for chosen application. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
I plan on creating CentOS 6.0 Desktop off-spin, changing only release package to add priorities and enable Plus and Extras repositories Let me know how that Extra repo addition goes:) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 21:09 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: B.J. McClure wrote: Here is my setup which includes a few packages from rpmforge. Same setup on a dozen desktops with various hardware. All play mp3. ~]$ rpm -qa | grep gstreamer gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.10.11-1.el6.rf.x86_64 phonon-backend-gstreamer-4.6.2-17.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.19-2.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.16-2.el6.rf.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-extras-0.10.19-2.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-python-0.10.16-1.1.el6.x86_64 PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin-0.5.8-13.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-tools-0.10.29-1.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.23-1.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-0.10.29-1.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.19-3.el6.rf.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.29-1.el6.x86_64 [bmcclure@house ~]$ RPMForge is not the base/official repo, and you are using -ugly- package for MP3 Gee, I think I mentioned that in the first line of my post. Quote: GStreamer Ugly Plug-ins is a set of plug-ins that have good quality and correct functionality, but distributing them might pose problems. The license on either the plug-ins or the supporting libraries might not be how we'd like. The code might be widely known to present patent problems. Most everyone is aware of that, however, there is a legal distinction between using and distributing, at least where I live. Cheers, B.J. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos RHEL 6.0, Linux 2.6.32-131.2.1.el6.x86_64 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On 07/09/2011 08:31 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: I plan on creating CentOS 6.0 Desktop off-spin, changing only release package to add priorities and enable Plus and Extras repositories, and then add few selected third party repositories and/or hosting some extra packages not available via yum (VirtualBox, Shorewall, newer versions of OpenOffice,...). I might even see if CentOS and third party repos could create release packages with added Priority value, third party with chosen number higher then 1. as long as there is no license issues or redistribution issues with components. And if there are clear upgrade paths for the components included, you could do something within .centos.org like that as well. However, that might be a conversation for the -devel list. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
Lamar Owen wrote: On Saturday, July 09, 2011 02:25:12 PM Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Most but not all. Windows users have only mp3 music, especially if they have illegal copies like 90% of people in South East Europe. For those you need non-free codecs. It's not free, but Fluendo has a zero-cost MP3 decoder for the gstreamer framework. www.fluendo.com But I assume it is still not part of the official repository since it is not open source which means it can be only in third party repositories which brings us back to the beginning: Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: But you should also be prepared to help them with install and primary setup, like adding third party repositories for audio/video codecs and similar. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
b.j. mcclure wrote: RPMForge is not the base/official repo, and you are using -ugly- package for MP3 Gee, I think I mentioned that in the first line of my post. Quote: GStreamer Ugly Plug-ins is a set of plug-ins that have good quality and correct functionality, but distributing them might pose problems. The license on either the plug-ins or the supporting libraries might not be how we'd like. The code might be widely known to present patent problems. Most everyone is aware of that, however, there is a legal distinction between using and distributing, at least where I live. This whole thong started from third party repos and @Always Learning insisting MP3 is supported from official RHEL/CentOS repos: Always Learning wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:13 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: But you should also be prepared to help them with install and primary setup, like adding third party repositories for audio/video codecs and similar. One of the most useful things I discovered was:- yum install gstreamer* which installs seemingly everything required to run the most popular audio and video applications in Gnome. That is why I said RPMForge is not the base/official repo but third party repo that needs to be installed in addition and most likely by someone other then noob. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Show your CentOS Support
I'm oin for one ...the states On 7/9/11, Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.org wrote: hi guys, I have about 80 CentOS T-Shirts, ranging from Medium to 3XL in size. These are the grey T-shirts we can see Ralph, Garry and the guys from hostdime modeling for us at: http://www.karan.org/pics/centos/images/002-IMG_2571.JPG If you would like one, please send me an email on kbsingh at the centos.org domain, and let me know your address and what size you would want, I would be happy to ship it out to any part of the world as long as you are willing to cover postage costs ( as an example : they fit into jiffy bags that cost £1 at the postoffice, and its about £1.50 shipping per Tshirt to the UK via first class ). First come, first serve! And I will confirm costs before sending them out. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
Joseph L. Casale wrote: I plan on creating CentOS 6.0 Desktop off-spin, changing only release package to add priorities and enable Plus and Extras repositories Let me know how that Extra repo addition goes:) Ups. I am getting tired of replying tonight so... well I had in my mind that Extras is not Enabled by default. Was it always enabled? Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org From: Ljubomir Ljubojevic off...@plnet.rs Subject: Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide Keith Roberts wrote: I'm *very* tempted to start again with a fresh install, and forget the updates - they don't do much anyway! There is Autopatcher software, free. It downloads all updates from M$ site you might need and then you start the process of silent installation of patches. It can take 3-4 hours to update everithing (IE, Adobe, .Net, ...) but there are not many reboots, 2-3 maybe, depends. When you reboot just start paching process again and it will pick where it left off. Oh yes! I have heard about that before. All needed M$ updates on a CD or DVD. So you can update without having to do the downloads? Thanks for reminding me about that one Ljubomir! And NEVER EVER leave Automatic update. EVER. If you do, better shoot your self in the head, it will heart far less. So I found out the hard way recently. Stuck in an eternal update cycle!!! Is there such a thing as a secure Windoze computer? Sure. Any Powered down Windows is 100% secure :-) That's the best one to have! The only good thing I can say is there is quite alot of good GPL'd applications for Windoze on sourceforge and other websites. Keith Roberts - Websites: http://www.karsites.net http://www.php-debuggers.net http://www.raised-from-the-dead.org.uk All email addresses are challenge-response protected with TMDA [http://tmda.net] - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Saturday, July 09, 2011 03:55:43 PM Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Lamar Owen wrote: It's not free, but Fluendo has a zero-cost MP3 decoder for the gstreamer framework. www.fluendo.com But I assume it is still not part of the official repository since it is not open source which means it can be only in third party repositories which brings us back to the beginning: True enough. The point was simply that a *fully patent license legal* MP3 codec is out there, and at no cost. But there is some hand-holding involved, true enough. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Always Learning cen...@u6.u22.net wrote: May I suggest that all us very grateful users of Centos make 6 copies of Centos 6.0 (either i386 or/and X64) and hand then out to friends, colleagues or strangers (unknown members of the public) who might be interested in trying Centos ? This is a great and noble idea but you're going to cause unwanted problems for some people. And often times those people would rather pay the 100pounds extra for Windows than have to try and actually become computer fundies. My mother, father, in-laws, some friends and many of our client could benefit from the cost saving that Linux has to offer. But they won't change over, no matter you convinsing your story about computer liberty is, cause Linux simmply cannot replave Windows. Not for them at least. Linux doesn't work for everyone. CentOS is great as a server OS, but it won't replace our accountant's Windows 7 desktop - the amount of technical compatibilies issues we're going to sit with is just not worth it. Don't use a jack hammer to drive in a nail :) A modification of this idea could be to distribute Live versions of Centos that can run without altering a computer's hard disk(s). Wasn't, or isn't there a Live distro already? -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. 1 June 2010 Exclusively Centos Gnome. Liberated from M$ Windoze. ___ -- Kind Regards Rudi Ahlers SoftDux Website: http://www.SoftDux.com Technical Blog: http://Blog.SoftDux.com Office: 087 805 9573 Cell: 082 554 7532 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Keith Roberts wrote: On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: There is Autopatcher software, free. It downloads all updates from M$ site you might need and then you start the process of silent installation of patches. It can take 3-4 hours to update everithing (IE, Adobe, .Net, ...) but there are not many reboots, 2-3 maybe, depends. When you reboot just start paching process again and it will pick where it left off. Oh yes! I have heard about that before. All needed M$ updates on a CD or DVD. So you can update without having to do the downloads? Thanks for reminding me about that one Ljubomir! It is not only CD/DVD. They were baned from distribution of M$ files, so you download Autopacher app (~700KB) and it will download everything you need. I keep it on USB flash, but DVD also works. The only good thing I can say is there is quite alot of good GPL'd applications for Windoze on sourceforge and other websites. There is also Comodo firewall (with some anti-malware addition). Not GPL but very much free:http://www.comodo.com/home/internet-security/firewall.php I am mantioning it because he irritates me when he starts to check every app I start. Annoying Security software is often better. But enough abput Windows or we will be flogged by folks here :-D Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Hi Ljubomir, If MP3 music 'works' (meaning it successfully plays on Centos/Gnome) why would additional codecs be required ? Does it? It was not my experience on either CentOS or Fedora. MP3 codecs are proprietary, and are not distributed by Red Hat distro's (RHEL and Fedora) I have been using C 5 for 13 months. Thus I am certainly not an expert on it or on Linux generally. I have never ever had any problem whatsoever playing MP3 files on Centos 5.x I use Audacity as my preferred audio programme, generally importing .wav files and exporting them as .mp3 files. The mp3 files simply play and I have never had a problem. Perhaps I obtained the correct codecs without being aware they were fundamental to playing MP3 on Centos/Gnome. As far as I know there is no codec in base repo that can play MP3 files. Not with Gstreamer nor with Xine. My repos are:- CentOS-Base.repo CentOS-Debuginfo.repo CentOS-Media.repo CentOS-Vault.repo elrepo.repo epel.repo epel-testing.repo kbsingh-CentOS-Misc.repo rpmforge.repo which specific codec do you need to play mp3 files in Centos ? -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. 1 June 2010 Exclusively Centos Gnome. Liberated from M$ Windoze. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 21:09 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: RPMForge is not the base/official repo, and you are using -ugly- package for MP3 Quote: GStreamer Ugly Plug-ins is a set of plug-ins that have good quality and correct functionality, but distributing them might pose problems. The license on either the plug-ins or the supporting libraries might not be how we'd like. The code might be widely known to present patent problems. Pragmatically, either one wants mp3 files to play or one is not too bothered if they do not play. RPMForge is Dag and friends (uit Belgie). Many including me regard Dag enz. as a wonderful and very useful part of the wider Centos project. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. 1 June 2010 Exclusively Centos Gnome. Liberated from M$ Windoze. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Always Learning wrote: Hi Ljubomir, If MP3 music 'works' (meaning it successfully plays on Centos/Gnome) why would additional codecs be required ? Does it? It was not my experience on either CentOS or Fedora. MP3 codecs are proprietary, and are not distributed by Red Hat distro's (RHEL and Fedora) I have been using C 5 for 13 months. Thus I am certainly not an expert on it or on Linux generally. I have never ever had any problem whatsoever playing MP3 files on Centos 5.x I use Audacity as my preferred audio programme, generally importing .wav files and exporting them as .mp3 files. The mp3 files simply play and I have never had a problem. Perhaps I obtained the correct codecs without being aware they were fundamental to playing MP3 on Centos/Gnome. As far as I know there is no codec in base repo that can play MP3 files. Not with Gstreamer nor with Xine. My repos are:- CentOS-Base.repo CentOS-Debuginfo.repo CentOS-Media.repo CentOS-Vault.repo elrepo.repo epel.repo epel-testing.repo kbsingh-CentOS-Misc.repo rpmforge.repo which specific codec do you need to play mp3 files in Centos ? From your repos it could be gstreamer-plugins-ugly package from RPMForge. There are also *-freeworld packages from rpmfusion repo I think. I use Amarok 1.4.14 to play music. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 22:00 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: This whole thong started from third party repos and @Always Learning insisting MP3 is supported from official RHEL/CentOS repos: I do not believe I suggested mp3 is supported by ANY repo. I did mention ... One of the most useful things I discovered was:- yum install gstreamer* which installs seemingly everything required to run the most popular audio and video applications in Gnome. The asterisk after gstreamer includes extras relating to gstreamer. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. 1 June 2010 Exclusively Centos Gnome. Liberated from M$ Windoze. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
Always Learning wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 21:09 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: RPMForge is not the base/official repo, and you are using -ugly- package for MP3 Quote: GStreamer Ugly Plug-ins is a set of plug-ins that have good quality and correct functionality, but distributing them might pose problems. The license on either the plug-ins or the supporting libraries might not be how we'd like. The code might be widely known to present patent problems. Pragmatically, either one wants mp3 files to play or one is not too bothered if they do not play. RPMForge is Dag and friends (uit Belgie). Many including me regard Dag enz. as a wonderful and very useful part of the wider Centos project. Short version (I am hungry): Experience (19 years of Windows phone support and 5 years of Linux administration and usage as a desktop surrounded by Windows users) says that in order to convert (reluctant) Windows user you have to fully replicate Windows environment with compatible Linux Apps. Period. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Always Learning wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 22:00 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: This whole thong started from third party repos and @Always Learning insisting MP3 is supported from official RHEL/CentOS repos: I do not believe I suggested mp3 is supported by ANY repo. I did mention ... One of the most useful things I discovered was:- yum install gstreamer* which installs seemingly everything required to run the most popular audio and video applications in Gnome. The asterisk after gstreamer includes extras relating to gstreamer. But MP3 support in your case came from RPMForge package (gstreamer-plugins-ugly). I have seen later that you were not aware of that, but that statement on clean CentOS with only official repos would be a false one. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Hoi Rudi, CentOS is great as a server OS, but it won't replace our accountant's Windows 7 desktop - the amount of technical compatibilies issues we're going to sit with is just not worth it. Don't use a jack hammer to drive in a nail :) Centos 5.5 works well for my non-computer literate friends who use a computer for Facebook and web browsing. I use Centos 5.6 on servers, desktops, home server/desktop, laptop, notebook/netbook and would never willingly return to ghastly M$ Windoze. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. 1 June 2010 Exclusively Centos Gnome. Liberated from M$ Windoze. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 22:22 +0200, Rudi Ahlers wrote: On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Always Learning cen...@u6.u22.net wrote: May I suggest that all us very grateful users of Centos make 6 copies of Centos 6.0 (either i386 or/and X64) and hand then out to friends, colleagues or strangers (unknown members of the public) who might be interested in trying Centos ? This is a great and noble idea but you're going to cause unwanted problems for some people. And often times those people would rather pay the 100pounds extra for Windows than have to try and actually become computer fundies. My mother, father, in-laws, some friends and many of our client could benefit from the cost saving that Linux has to offer. But they won't change over, no matter you convinsing your story about computer liberty is, cause Linux simmply cannot replave Windows. Not for them at least. Linux doesn't work for everyone. CentOS is great as a server OS, but it won't replace our accountant's Windows 7 desktop - the amount of technical compatibilies issues we're going to sit with is just not worth it. Don't use a jack hammer to drive in a nail :) most people primarily use a computer for web and e-mail and thus an iPad is probably all that they need except when they want to print something (ignoring for the moment that Apple pretty much makes you use a computer to interface/put things on/take things off an iPad). What seems to be significant is people's perception of what a computer should be, do and how to use and thus Windows struggles to retain as much UI from the earlier versions with each new release in order to prevent mass defection. The reality is that applications are becoming more and more web based SAAS and as the costs of specific applications needed on specific platforms (ie, Quickbooks) rise, web based SAAS will replace them. The point is that for end users, the OS is eventually going to become irrelevant. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 02:05:26PM -0700, Craig White wrote: The reality is that applications are becoming more and more web based SAAS and as the costs of specific applications needed on specific platforms (ie, Quickbooks) rise, web based SAAS will replace them. The point is that for end users, the OS is eventually going to become irrelevant. Tell that to the gamers that drive computer sales and technology advances. John -- We have joy, we have fun, we have Linux on our Sun! -- Ralf Hildebrandt pgpMtSHoI1Gg4.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Hi Ljubomir, RPMForge is Dag and friends (uit Belgie). Many including me regard Dag enz. as a wonderful and very useful part of the wider Centos project. Short version (I am hungry): Experience (19 years of Windows phone support and 5 years of Linux administration and usage as a desktop surrounded by Windows users) says that in order to convert (reluctant) Windows user you have to fully replicate Windows environment with compatible Linux Apps. Period. Experience 44 years - it makes me seem old :-( as computer programmer and the usual collection of other computer posts/tasks/assignments I truly believe with Centos and Gnome 90% of ordinary M$ Windoze users have what they need. If they use specialist databases and applications not HTML compatible (all mine are HTML compatible so they run on any operating system) they need something which will run in Centos/Gnome. Dosbox is excellent running pure M$ DOS programmes. Virtualbox and Wine can also help. Waiting for C6 with KVM as that does seem rather interesting. Its time for the world to drift away from the M$ Windoze expensive nightmare. Centos is a very good alternative. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. 1 June 2010 Exclusively Centos Gnome. Liberated from M$ Windoze. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 22:58 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: But MP3 support in your case came from RPMForge package (gstreamer-plugins-ugly). I have seen later that you were not aware of that, but that statement on clean CentOS with only official repos would be a false one. The truth is my mp3 playing ability was installed about a year ago when I was first introduced to Centos and I experienced a very rapid and steep learning curve (which I successfully overcame as usual). I do not know where the mp3 playing ability came from. I am certain, however, it did NOT come from gstreamer-plugins-ugly because, at the time, I needed gstreamer-plugins-ugly for another task and I did not know then where to get it. My mp3 worked without gstreamer-plugins-ugly. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. 1 June 2010 Exclusively Centos Gnome. Liberated from M$ Windoze. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Craig White wrote: The reality is that applications are becoming more and more web based SAAS and as the costs of specific applications needed on specific platforms (ie, Quickbooks) rise, web based SAAS will replace them. The point is that for end users, the OS is eventually going to become irrelevant. Hm. First wider loss of internet access of something like Power loss in Japan will wake up most of the people that are now into Cloud based computing. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 10:14:28PM +0100, Always Learning wrote: Its time for the world to drift away from the M$ Windoze expensive nightmare. Centos is a very good alternative. While that might be true, the reality of the situation is different. Until you can provide a seamless drop-in replacement for Windows that does not require a change in work-flow habits learned over the course of, for some, many years such a switchover will _never_ happen en masse. John -- Much of what looks like rudeness in hacker circles is not intended to give offense. Rather, it's the product of the direct, cut-through-the-bullshit communications style that is natural to people who are more concerned about solving problems than making others feel warm and fuzzy. http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html pgpgfBMLdMD4N.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: ***snip*** Short version (I am hungry): Experience (19 years of Windows phone support and 5 years of Linux administration and usage as a desktop surrounded by Windows users) says that in order to convert (reluctant) Windows user you have to fully replicate Windows environment with compatible Linux Apps. Period. Maybe they'd take a shine to KDE4 or Gnome 3 desktops? But that would mean using something like Fedora 15 with a maximum update lifetime of ~12 months, or another linux distro with a longer lifetime like Ubuntu ? Regards, Keith - Websites: http://www.karsites.net http://www.php-debuggers.net http://www.raised-from-the-dead.org.uk All email addresses are challenge-response protected with TMDA [http://tmda.net] - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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John R. Dennison wrote: On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 10:14:28PM +0100, Always Learning wrote: Its time for the world to drift away from the M$ Windoze expensive nightmare. Centos is a very good alternative. While that might be true, the reality of the situation is different. Until you can provide a seamless drop-in replacement for Windows that does not require a change in work-flow habits learned over the course of, for some, many years such a switchover will _never_ happen en masse. Well, larger and lager fear of malware, trojans and regular viruses is excellent motivator. Especially when you add need to pay for good AV/IS solution. My country men are poor and paying even 20 EUR per year for good AV/IS software is something they hate and most never do. And when you add the slowdown good AV/IS brings... jackpot. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Always Learning wrote: ***snip*** Dosbox is excellent running pure M$ DOS programmes. Virtualbox and Wine can also help. A few years ago my neighbour knocked on my door with a DVD or CD in his hand. He said it was a freebie and was supposed to run on his M$ Xbox, but it would not work, and could I help him with it. I said well I'm only running Linux, so if it's for a M$ Xbox I don't think it would work on my machine. So to keep him happy. I put this CD/DVD into the drive and ROTFL it ran under Wine - but it would not work on the Xbox! So there you go M$, if you want a decent OS try Linux! Kind Regards, Keith Roberts - Websites: http://www.karsites.net http://www.php-debuggers.net http://www.raised-from-the-dead.org.uk All email addresses are challenge-response protected with TMDA [http://tmda.net] - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Keith Roberts wrote: On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: ***snip*** Short version (I am hungry): Experience (19 years of Windows phone support and 5 years of Linux administration and usage as a desktop surrounded by Windows users) says that in order to convert (reluctant) Windows user you have to fully replicate Windows environment with compatible Linux Apps. Period. Maybe they'd take a shine to KDE4 or Gnome 3 desktops? But that would mean using something like Fedora 15 with a maximum update lifetime of ~12 months, or another linux distro with a longer lifetime like Ubuntu ? I see now that I was misunderstood. I was talking about Apps abilities. My Windows app would do that automatically Why cant I lay MP3's at once? You did install Winamp-like app? In windows Winamp just plays my MP3's, and so on. The look and feel are not so much the problem as behavior of Apps and the likeness of the App's them selves. Intuitive like-Windows app behavior. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 23:27 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:# Well, larger and lager fear of malware, trojans and regular viruses is excellent motivator. Especially when you add need to pay for good AV/IS solution. My country men are poor and paying even 20 EUR per year for good AV/IS software is something they hate and most never do. And when you add the slowdown good AV/IS brings... jackpot. You will probably find that all USA anti-virus products have included a backdoor for at least the last ~15 years or longer. Uncle Sam wants to see inside your computer. Google tracks your browsing especially via Firefox. Why else would Google give Mozilla USD 50 million and more? In Firefox type into the URL box: about:config then search for these strings:- goo http resum -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. 1 June 2010 Exclusively Centos Gnome. Liberated from M$ Windoze. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org From: Ljubomir Ljubojevic off...@plnet.rs Subject: Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide Keith Roberts wrote: On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: ***snip*** Short version (I am hungry): Experience (19 years of Windows phone support and 5 years of Linux administration and usage as a desktop surrounded by Windows users) says that in order to convert (reluctant) Windows user you have to fully replicate Windows environment with compatible Linux Apps. Period. Maybe they'd take a shine to KDE4 or Gnome 3 desktops? But that would mean using something like Fedora 15 with a maximum update lifetime of ~12 months, or another linux distro with a longer lifetime like Ubuntu ? I see now that I was misunderstood. I was talking about Apps abilities. My Windows app would do that automatically Why cant I lay MP3's at once? You did install Winamp-like app? In windows Winamp just plays my MP3's, and so on. The look and feel are not so much the problem as behavior of Apps and the likeness of the App's them selves. Intuitive like-Windows app behavior. Yes I understand that Ljubomir. But you can also set the look of most desktops as well, so the Linux desktop windows have a 'Windozey look and feel'. But this still does not take into the way Linux apps work, as opposed to the same or similar Windoze apps. But I guess that's to be expected anyway. The learning curve for most GUI apps is generally straight forward. Just common sense really. Almost any apps you would look for help under F1, and the File tab is going to be near that. There are some apps under Linux that are difficult to master, like the GIMP. Another one that comes to mind is Blender IIRC. But most other apps are just common sense to use in most cases IMHO. Kind Regards, Keith Roberts - Websites: http://www.karsites.net http://www.php-debuggers.net http://www.raised-from-the-dead.org.uk All email addresses are challenge-response protected with TMDA [http://tmda.net] - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 11:27:52PM +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Well, larger and lager fear of malware, trojans and regular viruses is excellent motivator. Especially when you add need to pay for good AV/IS solution. My country men are poor and paying even 20 EUR per year for good AV/IS software is something they hate and most never do. And when you add the slowdown good AV/IS brings... jackpot. Meh. Avast, and others, have free licenses for non-commercial usage. If you're talking about commercial usage that's another story. John -- Only puny secrets need protection. Big discoveries are protected by public incredulity. -- Marshall McLuhan pgp4FMzpfOxiM.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Always Learning wrote: You will probably find that all USA anti-virus products have included a backdoor for at least the last ~15 years or longer. Uncle Sam wants to see inside your computer. Google tracks your browsing especially via Firefox. Why else would Google give Mozilla USD 50 million and more? In Firefox type into the URL box: about:config then search for these strings:- goo http resum That is why I only install Kaspersky Internet Security on any Windows PC requesting security software. You must remember the wave of German Country and City computer networks converting to Linux. It was because they have seen Windows infrequently communicating with M$ servers even when their security specialists turned off *any* visible communication and update protocol/option. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 10:36:02PM +0100, Always Learning wrote: You will probably find that all USA anti-virus products have included a backdoor for at least the last ~15 years or longer. Uncle Sam wants to see inside your computer. Google tracks your browsing especially via Firefox. Why else would Google give Mozilla USD 50 million and more? In Firefox type into the URL box: about:config then search for these strings:- Glad to see you've got your tin hat on. Any more conspiracy theories you'd like to share? John -- Thinking implies disagreement; and disagreement implies non-conformity; and non-conformity implies heresy; and heresy implies disloyalty -- so obviously thinking must be stopped [Call to Greatness, 1954] -- Adlai Stephenson pgpvMTk89BMZu.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
Keith Roberts wrote: On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org From: Ljubomir Ljubojevic off...@plnet.rs Subject: Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide Keith Roberts wrote: On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: ***snip*** Short version (I am hungry): Experience (19 years of Windows phone support and 5 years of Linux administration and usage as a desktop surrounded by Windows users) says that in order to convert (reluctant) Windows user you have to fully replicate Windows environment with compatible Linux Apps. Period. Maybe they'd take a shine to KDE4 or Gnome 3 desktops? But that would mean using something like Fedora 15 with a maximum update lifetime of ~12 months, or another linux distro with a longer lifetime like Ubuntu ? I see now that I was misunderstood. I was talking about Apps abilities. My Windows app would do that automatically Why cant I lay MP3's at once? You did install Winamp-like app? In windows Winamp just plays my MP3's, and so on. The look and feel are not so much the problem as behavior of Apps and the likeness of the App's them selves. Intuitive like-Windows app behavior. Yes I understand that Ljubomir. But you can also set the look of most desktops as well, so the Linux desktop windows have a 'Windozey look and feel'. But this still does not take into the way Linux apps work, as opposed to the same or similar Windoze apps. But I guess that's to be expected anyway. The learning curve for most GUI apps is generally straight forward. Just common sense really. Almost any apps you would look for help under F1, and the File tab is going to be near that. There are some apps under Linux that are difficult to master, like the GIMP. Another one that comes to mind is Blender IIRC. But most other apps are just common sense to use in most cases IMHO. OK. I am concluding this for tonight (it's 23:44 here). I must be the only one keeping entire/beggining of the conversation in mind why replying. Either that or I am nutz. Again to the begining of this sub-thread: Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Always Learning wrote: Pragmatically, either one wants mp3 files to play or one is not too bothered if they do not play. Short version (I am hungry): Experience (19 years of Windows phone support and 5 years of Linux administration and usage as a desktop surrounded by Windows users) says that in order to convert (reluctant) Windows user you have to fully replicate Windows environment with compatible Linux Apps. Period. Ljubomir So I was saying that having mp3 codecs(, seamless printing and scanning...) is important for convert from Windows and you guys started with GUI. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 23:43 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: That is why I only install Kaspersky Internet Security on any Windows PC requesting security software. You must remember the wave of German Country and City computer networks converting to Linux. It was because they have seen Windows infrequently communicating with M$ servers even when their security specialists turned off *any* visible communication and update protocol/option. Calling home is a dangerous feature in any software. Could Kaspersky be working with the Russian FSB or similar organisations? Russian spying in foreign countries has noticeably increased. Uncle Sam has the world's biggest spying operation, Google. I assume Yahoo is now on the same payroll. Microsoft probably lost some USA government funds because all its backdoors into users' computers were gradually detected. Even on Linux KDE presents some security risks in retaining information on the HDD after applications close, so too does nautilus. Motto use Linux (or BSDs or Solaris) and put all working files into RAM. That is easy with ln -s ... -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. 1 June 2010 Exclusively Centos Gnome. Liberated from M$ Windoze. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 16:45 -0500, John R. Dennison wrote: Glad to see you've got your tin hat on. Any more conspiracy theories you'd like to share? Those with functioning brains should be able to realise the consequences of over-surveillance of civilian communities especially in times of peace :-) -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. 1 June 2010 Exclusively Centos Gnome. Liberated from M$ Windoze. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
John R. Dennison wrote: On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 11:27:52PM +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Well, larger and lager fear of malware, trojans and regular viruses is excellent motivator. Especially when you add need to pay for good AV/IS solution. My country men are poor and paying even 20 EUR per year for good AV/IS software is something they hate and most never do. And when you add the slowdown good AV/IS brings... jackpot. Meh. Avast, and others, have free licenses for non-commercial usage. If you're talking about commercial usage that's another story. Neah. I am talking on how those free AV's are not worth the time spent in installing them. Only heavy-hitters like KIS (KAV not so much) Symantec NIS and one or two others are capable to stop really nasty bug taking over. Even heavy-hitters any at risk if they have idiot controlling them. I am cleaning after those free security software for ~10 years now. Last 5 years I only use Avira Free for stubborn customers with newly installed Windows or KIS in *any* other case (cleaning, securing). They (those free ones) are like having closed but unlocked doors in dangerous neighborhood. Bad guys think it's locked. But when they figure doors are unlockedbye-bye. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Wierd cursor jump when I type letter y
Guys. I have this problem for a long time. In large number of times when I type letter y, like in you my typing cursor jumps 2-3 rows up or 1-2 words to the left. I am unable to understand why. Could it be something with lap-top keyboard? Typing rate? CentOS 5.5 Gnome, I mostly use Firefox and Thunderbird. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Wierd cursor jump when I type letter y
On Sun, 10 Jul 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: In large number of times when I type letter y, like in you my typing cursor jumps 2-3 rows up or 1-2 words to the left. The only times I have ever seen anything like this was due to a bad keyboard or a bad KVM switch. Does it behave the same way in a non-X session or at BIOS level? Steve ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Wierd cursor jump when I type letter y
Steve Thompson wrote: On Sun, 10 Jul 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: In large number of times when I type letter y, like in you my typing cursor jumps 2-3 rows up or 1-2 words to the left. The only times I have ever seen anything like this was due to a bad keyboard or a bad KVM switch. Does it behave the same way in a non-X session or at BIOS level? Can't say. It is my personal lap-top. But I think I have seen the same behavior on my CentOS 5.6 desktop, but right now I can not be sure. I am atypical keyboard user. I often have problems when I try to use the Shift key, I press it but it is like I have not done so, and I can reproduce this on at least 3 separate keyboards, and this jumping. H, just now it jumped 7 rows up + ~35 char to the right, but on the this word from last sentence. But it does not happen that often to warrant reinstall or something similar. I am just wondering if someone knows what might be happening. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:00:03AM +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Neah. I am talking on how those free AV's are not worth the time spent in installing them. Only heavy-hitters like KIS (KAV not so much) Symantec NIS and one or two others are capable to stop really nasty bug taking over. Even heavy-hitters any at risk if they have idiot controlling them. Symantec is garbage and has been for many years. Don't care for Kaspersky from past use, but that was indeed KAV as I've not used anything else from them. Perhaps I should evaluate their KIS offering. I've had absolutely no trouble whatsoever with Avast other than on my own personal desktop and that was strictly caused by my usage patterns and would not affect normal users in any way; I recommend and install avast on not only on family and friends boxes but on clients as well. John -- The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much, it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt (1882-1945), 32nd President of the United States, second inaugural address, 20 January 1937 pgp70rc5vtkBL.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Wierd cursor jump when I type letter y
On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 00:30:43 +0200 Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: I am atypical keyboard user. I often have problems when I try to use the Shift key, I press it but it is like I have not done so, and I can reproduce this on at least 3 separate keyboards, and this jumping. Large fingers, small keyboards, careless typing (or all of the above) could be causing you to press more than one key at a time, unintentionally creating different control combinations. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Real D 3D Digital Cinema ~ www.melvilletheatre.com www.creekfm.com - FIFTY THOUSAND WATTS of POW WOW POWER! ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Working with the upstream vendor
On 09/07/11 19:35, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Ned Slider wrote: On 09/07/11 19:09, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: My view is that problem arose when Oracle came into picture. They are aggressively steeling Red Hat customers using Rad Hat EL source. That is very possibly why Red Hat made recompiling EL source much harder, which reflected to CentOS team unprepared for such change. That's nonsense. Red Hat did not (deliberately) make recompiling the RHEL source harder, they made accessing specific knowledge base and bug related information harder for those who are not customers - a move designed to make it more difficult for companies such as Oracle to support RHEL and steal customers from Red Hat. The issues that sometimes make it difficult to recompile occasional RHEL packages have always existed and most likely always will. Filing a bug normally results in the issue being fixed, whatever it may be. The vast majority of packages in RHEL recompile without issue. What about C4 and C5 being able to recompile on beta versions but not C6? That's just a by-product of the fact that it's never been a goal of upstream to make RHEL a self-hosting distribution. It's not a deliberate act designed to thwart rebuilders, be it Oracle or CentOS or anyone else. And even if it were, then it obviously failed given Oracle, SL and now CentOS have managed to successfully rebuild RHEL-6 (minus trademarks and artwork). Your comment came across, at least to me, as if Red Hat had deliberately tried to make it harder to rebuild RHEL with some changes they made to 6, and that's simply not the case. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Show your CentOS Support
I'm in for two of them if possible, one for sure if you have limits. :) Size should L and XL if you can send two, or just XL if you can send only one. Shipping: Tim Nelson 3615 Chambersburg Ave. Duluth, MN 55811 How would you like payment? Tim Nelson Systems/Network Support Rockbochs Inc. (218)727-4332 x105 - Original Message - hi guys, I have about 80 CentOS T-Shirts, ranging from Medium to 3XL in size. These are the grey T-shirts we can see Ralph, Garry and the guys from hostdime modeling for us at: http://www.karan.org/pics/centos/images/002-IMG_2571.JPG If you would like one, please send me an email on kbsingh at the centos.org domain, and let me know your address and what size you would want, I would be happy to ship it out to any part of the world as long as you are willing to cover postage costs ( as an example : they fit into jiffy bags that cost £1 at the postoffice, and its about £1.50 shipping per Tshirt to the UK via first class ). First come, first serve! And I will confirm costs before sending them out. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Show your CentOS Support
So say £3 quid a shirt, but payment how? Cilve On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:41 AM, Tim Nelson tnel...@rockbochs.com wrote: I'm in for two of them if possible, one for sure if you have limits. :) Size should L and XL if you can send two, or just XL if you can send only one. Shipping: Tim Nelson 3615 Chambersburg Ave. Duluth, MN 55811 How would you like payment? Tim Nelson Systems/Network Support Rockbochs Inc. (218)727-4332 x105 - Original Message - hi guys, I have about 80 CentOS T-Shirts, ranging from Medium to 3XL in size. These are the grey T-shirts we can see Ralph, Garry and the guys from hostdime modeling for us at: http://www.karan.org/pics/centos/images/002-IMG_2571.JPG If you would like one, please send me an email on kbsingh at the centos.org domain, and let me know your address and what size you would want, I would be happy to ship it out to any part of the world as long as you are willing to cover postage costs ( as an example : they fit into jiffy bags that cost £1 at the postoffice, and its about £1.50 shipping per Tshirt to the UK via first class ). First come, first serve! And I will confirm costs before sending them out. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Clive -- 077222971491 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Show your CentOS Support
hi guys, I have about 80 CentOS T-Shirts, ranging from Medium to 3XL in size. These are the grey T-shirts we can see Ralph, Garry and the guys from hostdime modeling for us at: http://www.karan.org/pics/centos/images/002-IMG_2571.JPG If you would like one, please send me an email on kbsingh at the centos.org domain, and let me know your address and what size you would want, I would be happy to ship it out to any part of the world as long as you are willing to cover postage costs ( as an example : they fit into jiffy bags that cost £1 at the postoffice, and its about £1.50 shipping per Tshirt to the UK via first class ). First come, first serve! And I will confirm costs before sending them out. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Hey, Thanks!!! I would like to have one or two if possible. Size Large Greg Ennis 3046 Sentinal Butte Grapevine Texas 76051 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Wierd cursor jump when I type letter y
On Saturday 09 July 2011 23:30:43 Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Steve Thompson wrote: On Sun, 10 Jul 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: In large number of times when I type letter y, like in you my typing cursor jumps 2-3 rows up or 1-2 words to the left. The only times I have ever seen anything like this was due to a bad keyboard or a bad KVM switch. Does it behave the same way in a non-X session or at BIOS level? Can't say. It is my personal lap-top. But I think I have seen the same behavior on my CentOS 5.6 desktop, but right now I can not be sure. Maybe you scratch the laptop's touchpad with your palm when you reach for the y? I've seen a lot of people complaining about bad design/positioning/sensitivity of touchpads on their laptops. Some go even as far as completely disabling the touchpad because it interferes with their typing. Hook up an external keyboard to the laptop. If you can reproduce the problem with that, then think about software or hardware failure. If not, I'd suggest shutting down the touchpad, or learn to reposition your hands while typing. ;-) HTH, :-) Marko ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
