[CentOS] Upping my game on web work

[Robert Moskowitz]

Until now, I have been satisfied with hand coding my html for simple, 
but effective web pages (see http://www.htt-consult.com/).


But I want to offer one of our small synagogues some web pages and need 
a few tools for them to use to compose their pages and upload content.


What 'simple' web support tools do we have here?

Of course I will be doing this on armhfp,,,


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Re: [CentOS] Upping my game on web work

[Frank Cox]

On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 09:02:38 -0500
Robert Moskowitz wrote:

> What 'simple' web support tools do we have here?

Libreoffice can create a html page from a word processor document.

I've done that a few times where I do the basic layout with libreoffice and 
then hand-edit the html to fine tune it.  But my web pages aren't usually 
anything exceptionally fancy.


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Re: [CentOS] Upping my game on web work

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 11/21/18 9:16 AM, Frank Cox wrote:

On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 09:02:38 -0500
Robert Moskowitz wrote:


What 'simple' web support tools do we have here?

Libreoffice can create a html page from a word processor document.

I've done that a few times where I do the basic layout with libreoffice and 
then hand-edit the html to fine tune it.  But my web pages aren't usually 
anything exceptionally fancy.


That might be interesting to try.  The one time I tried using Word to 
create html was a disaster so much crude stuffed into the html and for what?


For years I use an xml editor (geany now adays) and code what I want.


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Re: [CentOS] Upping my game on web work

[Leroy Tennison]

There are several options, Mozilla had/has SeaMonkey, w3c has Amaya, there's 
Bluefish and Kompozer, search the web for 'html web editor linux' - you'll find 
more than enough options.  I've used Amaya and Kompozer, they're adequate but 
you still need to be able to write your own html.  I've used OpenOffice and it 
produces pretty bloated results, seems everyone is interested  in creating 
sophisticated, complex html rather than just getting the job done.


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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [CentOS] Upping my game on web work

On 11/21/18 9:16 AM, Frank Cox wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 09:02:38 -0500
> Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
>> What 'simple' web support tools do we have here?
> Libreoffice can create a html page from a word processor document.
>
> I've done that a few times where I do the basic layout with libreoffice and 
> then hand-edit the html to fine tune it.  But my web pages aren't usually 
> anything exceptionally fancy.

That might be interesting to try.  The one time I tried using Word to
create html was a disaster so much crude stuffed into the html and for what?

For years I use an xml editor (geany now adays) and code what I want.


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Re: [CentOS] Upping my game on web work

[mark]

Frank Cox wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 09:02:38 -0500
> Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
>> What 'simple' web support tools do we have here?
>
> Libreoffice can create a html page from a word processor document.
>
> I've done that a few times where I do the basic layout with libreoffice
> and then hand-edit the html to fine tune it.  But my web pages aren't
> usually anything exceptionally fancy.
>
No word processor produces anything but absolute 100% pure crap HTML.
Every single line has every possible option, and a few extras.

The one HTML editor I ever tried, Quanta, had the lovely habit of, once
you hit ?display", when you went back to editing, it has left justified
*every* *line*.

I hate to suggest it, but something like WordPress might be what you want,
if that's not overkill.

  mark "my web pages proudly built in vi"


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Re: [CentOS] Upping my game on web work

[Peter Duffy]

The only web editor out of which I've ever got any mileage at all was 
bluegriffon - but the only time I've tried it was about 5 years ago, when it 
was both fully free and quite unstable (it was undergoing a lot of development 
work.)  It's not fully free now, and it remains to be seen how stable it is now 
(I should give it another go.)  Worth trying though.


On 21 November 2018 15:26:46 GMT+00:00, mark  wrote:
>Frank Cox wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 09:02:38 -0500
>> Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>
>>> What 'simple' web support tools do we have here?
>>
>> Libreoffice can create a html page from a word processor document.
>>
>> I've done that a few times where I do the basic layout with
>libreoffice
>> and then hand-edit the html to fine tune it.  But my web pages aren't
>> usually anything exceptionally fancy.
>>
>No word processor produces anything but absolute 100% pure crap HTML.
>Every single line has every possible option, and a few extras.
>
>The one HTML editor I ever tried, Quanta, had the lovely habit of, once
>you hit ?display", when you went back to editing, it has left justified
>*every* *line*.
>
>I hate to suggest it, but something like WordPress might be what you
>want,
>if that's not overkill.
>
>  mark "my web pages proudly built in vi"
>
>
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Re: [CentOS] Upping my game on web work

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 11/21/18 10:26 AM, mark wrote:

Frank Cox wrote:

On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 09:02:38 -0500
Robert Moskowitz wrote:


What 'simple' web support tools do we have here?

Libreoffice can create a html page from a word processor document.

I've done that a few times where I do the basic layout with libreoffice
and then hand-edit the html to fine tune it.  But my web pages aren't
usually anything exceptionally fancy.


No word processor produces anything but absolute 100% pure crap HTML.
Every single line has every possible option, and a few extras.

The one HTML editor I ever tried, Quanta, had the lovely habit of, once
you hit ?display", when you went back to editing, it has left justified
*every* *line*.

I hate to suggest it, but something like WordPress might be what you want,
if that's not overkill.

   mark "my web pages proudly built in vi"


I  can make the basic pages, but they need to tools to upload content.  
Recordings, announcements (in pdf) and the like.  So something more than 
here is how to compose your html and here is SSH to do a scp file 
transfer


I will look at docuwiki and perhaps WordPress (seem to recall it is more 
than just an html editor).



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Re: [CentOS] Upping my game on web work

[Valeri Galtsev]

On 11/21/18 9:26 AM, mark wrote:

Frank Cox wrote:

On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 09:02:38 -0500
Robert Moskowitz wrote:


What 'simple' web support tools do we have here?


Libreoffice can create a html page from a word processor document.

I've done that a few times where I do the basic layout with libreoffice
and then hand-edit the html to fine tune it.  But my web pages aren't
usually anything exceptionally fancy.


No word processor produces anything but absolute 100% pure crap HTML.
Every single line has every possible option, and a few extras.

The one HTML editor I ever tried, Quanta, had the lovely habit of, once
you hit ?display", when you went back to editing, it has left justified
*every* *line*.

I hate to suggest it, but something like WordPress might be what you want,
if that's not overkill.

   mark "my web pages proudly built in vi"



This is the great advise. Basically, your problem is in asking experts 
what one can do without willing to gain some expertise. Mark gave nice 
advise though he himself just edits html (and so do I) when necessary 
(and my editor is vi as well, even more: real vi on FreeBSD, not vim - 
that is "vi improved" - that ships with Linuxes).


More productive would be searching web for something like "how to create 
nice webpage without any knowledge" or similar.


Note that I didn't use common these days word for searching as I for one 
am avoiding that particular search service and am using duckduckgo.com 
(search for answer on the web if it unclear why ;-)


Valeri



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Re: [CentOS] Upping my game on web work

[Leroy Tennison]

Given your situation I would consider carefully crafting the html yourself 
(frames for content, etc) and specifying constraints for them (for example: not 
changing an image's size and saving any file for use without line feeds) such 
that file replacement was all that is needed.  For someone who isn't 
technically trained (your end user apparently), turning them loose with any 
HTML editor is equivalent to handing a scalpel to a child.


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Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 10:07 AM
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [CentOS] Upping my game on web work

On 11/21/18 10:26 AM, mark wrote:
> Frank Cox wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 09:02:38 -0500
>> Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>
>>> What 'simple' web support tools do we have here?
>> Libreoffice can create a html page from a word processor document.
>>
>> I've done that a few times where I do the basic layout with libreoffice
>> and then hand-edit the html to fine tune it.  But my web pages aren't
>> usually anything exceptionally fancy.
>>
> No word processor produces anything but absolute 100% pure crap HTML.
> Every single line has every possible option, and a few extras.
>
> The one HTML editor I ever tried, Quanta, had the lovely habit of, once
> you hit ?display", when you went back to editing, it has left justified
> *every* *line*.
>
> I hate to suggest it, but something like WordPress might be what you want,
> if that's not overkill.
>
>mark "my web pages proudly built in vi"

I  can make the basic pages, but they need to tools to upload content.
Recordings, announcements (in pdf) and the like.  So something more than
here is how to compose your html and here is SSH to do a scp file
transfer

I will look at docuwiki and perhaps WordPress (seem to recall it is more
than just an html editor).


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Re: [CentOS] Upping my game on web work

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 11/21/18 11:29 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:



On 11/21/18 9:26 AM, mark wrote:

Frank Cox wrote:

On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 09:02:38 -0500
Robert Moskowitz wrote:


What 'simple' web support tools do we have here?


Libreoffice can create a html page from a word processor document.

I've done that a few times where I do the basic layout with libreoffice
and then hand-edit the html to fine tune it.  But my web pages aren't
usually anything exceptionally fancy.


No word processor produces anything but absolute 100% pure crap HTML.
Every single line has every possible option, and a few extras.

The one HTML editor I ever tried, Quanta, had the lovely habit of, once
you hit ?display", when you went back to editing, it has left justified
*every* *line*.

I hate to suggest it, but something like WordPress might be what you 
want,

if that's not overkill.

   mark "my web pages proudly built in vi"



This is the great advise. Basically, your problem is in asking experts 
what one can do without willing to gain some expertise. Mark gave nice 
advise though he himself just edits html (and so do I) when necessary 
(and my editor is vi as well, even more: real vi on FreeBSD, not vim - 
that is "vi improved" - that ships with Linuxes).


More productive would be searching web for something like "how to 
create nice webpage without any knowledge" or similar.


Note that I didn't use common these days word for searching as I for 
one am avoiding that particular search service and am using 
duckduckgo.com (search for answer on the web if it unclear why ;-)


Please check out www.htt-consult.com

All the content was done in Geany.  Handcrafted.  Did a lot of research 
on the various text boxes for the code stuff.   Go ahead and look at the 
source.


But this is not for me.  I may not be able to put up all the content.   
I need some stuff that provides some basic presentation and management 
tools.  Someone other than me will be uploading recordings and 
announcements.  My goal is to put together some simple tools for their 
use.  Not mine.





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Re: [CentOS] Upping my game on web work

[Kenneth Porter]

--On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 11:40 AM -0500 Robert Moskowitz 
 wrote:



I need some stuff that provides some basic presentation and management
tools.  Someone other than me will be uploading recordings and
announcements.  My goal is to put together some simple tools for their
use.  Not mine.


That's why I install/update WordPress for people who are not coders. If 
they want a fancy look, they can use themes. But the content management is 
already built in and fairly easy to use for someone who knows nothing about 
how this stuff works.


I suggest looking at the help pages for how to install it via Subversion to 
make it easy to update. Make the PHP source owned by a custom user, with 
Apache having write access only to a few necessary directories like the 
upload directory. (Most of the content will actually be in MySQL or 
MariaDB.) I use ~website/trunk to hold the code.



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Re: [CentOS] Upping my game on web work

[Sorin Srbu]

> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS  On Behalf Of mark
> Sent: den 21 november 2018 16:27
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> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Upping my game on web work
> 
> Frank Cox wrote:
> > On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 09:02:38 -0500
> > Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> >
> >> What 'simple' web support tools do we have here?
> I hate to suggest it, but something like WordPress might be what you want,
> if that's not overkill.

You beat me to it.
May I add Joomla for a little more added flexibility?
I feel Drupal may be a bit over the top.


>   mark "my web pages proudly built in vi"

Why would anybody use anything else? ;-)


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