Re: [CentOS] reasons for using CentOS in business environments

2007-11-29 Thread Ralph Angenendt
Rogelio wrote:
 My apologies if this question has been previously answered, but could
 anyone here provide me with resources that I might use to help build a
 case for exclusively using CentOS in an enterprise environment?
 (Approximately 200 servers)

[...]

 Reasons thus far I've come up with include:
 
 --free *and* fully (at least, in my experience) compatible with RHEL
 --fairly stable (I don't have problems unless I start mixing repos)
 --yum packages (almost as cool as Debian! Ok, I'm biased...or maybe I
 don't know how to properly use yum?)

I've done an introductory presentation of CentOS at Fosdem last year
(and at some other places), in which I covered some of the reasoning why
you should use CentOS/RHEL.

http://wiki.centos.org/Events/Fosdem2007?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=fosdem2007.tar.gz

Maybe that helps a bit.

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS] reasons for using CentOS in business environments

2007-11-29 Thread Scott Moseman
On Nov 28, 2007 8:25 AM, Barry Brimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have a simple rule that determines is I use RHEL or CentOS in
 my work environment.  Does the software running on this machine
 require RHEL in order to have vendor support.  An extension of that
 rule is whether nor not Red Hat would support the specific use of
 this server in my environment.


That is exactly the mindset that I use in determining which to install.
If my vendor will require RHEL in order to support my system, that is
what I need to use.  For in-house apps, lab servers, and/or vendors
that don't care what I run, I will usually install CentOS.

Thanks,
Scott
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Re: [CentOS] reasons for using CentOS in business environments

2007-11-28 Thread Tomasz 'Zen' Napierala
Wednesday 28 November 2007 06:31:02 Rogelio napisał(a):
 My apologies if this question has been previously answered, but could
 anyone here provide me with resources that I might use to help build a
 case for exclusively using CentOS in an enterprise environment?
 (Approximately 200 servers)

This question was probably anwered several times, but the truth is, that every 
case is different. Ok, maybe not so different.

 --free *and* fully (at least, in my experience) compatible with RHEL

Free it's not something you should mention to management (well, certainly not 
the main tjhing, it does not build trust. Things are not better just because 
they are free)
RHEL compatibility sounds good, but then you'd have to answer another 
question: why RHEL ;)

 --fairly stable (I don't have problems unless I start mixing repos)

Truth.

 --yum packages (almost as cool as Debian! Ok, I'm biased...or maybe I
 don't know how to properly use yum?)

That's very technical, avoid it unless you know what you're doing ;) Besides, 
rpms and yum sux ;)

 Any other suggestions / tips I might add to my list would be greatly
 appreciated!

- Well tested software (pacjages),
- Huge user-base (implicates above)
- Good hardware support, especially when we are talking about enterprise stuff 
(SAN, tape libraries, etc.)
- Supported by main hardware vendors (although indirectly)
- Long support
- Very good documentation
- Certification paths available (indirectly). 

My 2 cents

Regards,
-- 
Tomasz Napierala
System Administrator
QXL Poland - Allegro.pl Team
http://www.allegro.pl/
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Re: [CentOS] reasons for using CentOS in business environments

2007-11-28 Thread Matt Shields
On Nov 28, 2007 12:31 AM, Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My apologies if this question has been previously answered, but could
 anyone here provide me with resources that I might use to help build a
 case for exclusively using CentOS in an enterprise environment?
 (Approximately 200 servers)

 Long story short, I've used a little of everything out there
 (Gentoo/Debian/*BSD/Slackware) and have a fairly good overall strategy
 of how they all work (all of them have lived on my laptop at one time
 or another over the last 10 years or so), but I'm now looking for
 solid business reasons that I can present to the CxO types of a
 company to show them that CentOS is probably where they'd like to
 look.

 Reasons thus far I've come up with include:

 --free *and* fully (at least, in my experience) compatible with RHEL
 --fairly stable (I don't have problems unless I start mixing repos)
 --yum packages (almost as cool as Debian! Ok, I'm biased...or maybe I
 don't know how to properly use yum?)

 Any other suggestions / tips I might add to my list would be greatly
 appreciated!


You won't get sued by the BSA, Microsoft, Adobe or any of the other
software giants.

-- 
-matt
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Re: [CentOS] reasons for using CentOS in business environments

2007-11-28 Thread Barry Brimer



On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, js wrote:


Rogelio wrote:

My apologies if this question has been previously answered, but could
anyone here provide me with resources that I might use to help build a
case for exclusively using CentOS in an enterprise environment?
(Approximately 200 servers)

Long story short, I've used a little of everything out there
(Gentoo/Debian/*BSD/Slackware) and have a fairly good overall strategy
of how they all work (all of them have lived on my laptop at one time
or another over the last 10 years or so), but I'm now looking for
solid business reasons that I can present to the CxO types of a
company to show them that CentOS is probably where they'd like to
look.

Reasons thus far I've come up with include:

--free *and* fully (at least, in my experience) compatible with RHEL
--fairly stable (I don't have problems unless I start mixing repos)
--yum packages (almost as cool as Debian! Ok, I'm biased...or maybe I
don't know how to properly use yum?)

Any other suggestions / tips I might add to my list would be greatly
appreciated!


I have a simple rule that determines is I use RHEL or CentOS in my work 
environment.  Does the software running on this machine require RHEL in 
order to have vendor support.  An extension of that rule is whether nor 
not Red Hat would support the specific use of this server in my 
environment.


As an example, I have a server that is used to accept HTTPS PUTs.  I am 
using a module called mod_put.  This is the machine's only goal in life. 
If I were to call Red Hat for support, the first thing they would ask is 
if I have any 3rd party modules.  Since I do, they would ask me to remove 
it in order to continue troubleshooting.  Removing or disabling this 
functionality would lose its intended functionality.  Therefore this 
machine runs CentOS.


Hope this helps.
Barry
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[CentOS] reasons for using CentOS in business environments

2007-11-27 Thread Rogelio
My apologies if this question has been previously answered, but could
anyone here provide me with resources that I might use to help build a
case for exclusively using CentOS in an enterprise environment?
(Approximately 200 servers)

Long story short, I've used a little of everything out there
(Gentoo/Debian/*BSD/Slackware) and have a fairly good overall strategy
of how they all work (all of them have lived on my laptop at one time
or another over the last 10 years or so), but I'm now looking for
solid business reasons that I can present to the CxO types of a
company to show them that CentOS is probably where they'd like to
look.

Reasons thus far I've come up with include:

--free *and* fully (at least, in my experience) compatible with RHEL
--fairly stable (I don't have problems unless I start mixing repos)
--yum packages (almost as cool as Debian! Ok, I'm biased...or maybe I
don't know how to properly use yum?)

Any other suggestions / tips I might add to my list would be greatly
appreciated!
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Re: [CentOS] reasons for using CentOS in business environments

2007-11-27 Thread Christopher Chan

Rogelio wrote:

My apologies if this question has been previously answered, but could
anyone here provide me with resources that I might use to help build a
case for exclusively using CentOS in an enterprise environment?
(Approximately 200 servers)

Long story short, I've used a little of everything out there
(Gentoo/Debian/*BSD/Slackware) and have a fairly good overall strategy
of how they all work (all of them have lived on my laptop at one time
or another over the last 10 years or so), but I'm now looking for
solid business reasons that I can present to the CxO types of a
company to show them that CentOS is probably where they'd like to
look.

Reasons thus far I've come up with include:

--free *and* fully (at least, in my experience) compatible with RHEL
--fairly stable (I don't have problems unless I start mixing repos)
--yum packages (almost as cool as Debian! Ok, I'm biased...or maybe I
don't know how to properly use yum?)


(nah. yum needs some more catching up. in any case, a working software 
management system.)


If this is a Linux shop, the answer would be what everybody is most 
comfortable with. That fact that you can now make your own 
repository/repositories has made the score more even against Debian, deb 
and apt. Any distro without tools for managing packages on multiple 
servers from a local repository should be dropped. You can therefore 
paint Centos in this light as one that meets such needs.

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Re: [CentOS] reasons for using CentOS in business environments

2007-11-27 Thread js
Rogelio wrote:
 My apologies if this question has been previously answered, but could
 anyone here provide me with resources that I might use to help build a
 case for exclusively using CentOS in an enterprise environment?
 (Approximately 200 servers)

 Long story short, I've used a little of everything out there
 (Gentoo/Debian/*BSD/Slackware) and have a fairly good overall strategy
 of how they all work (all of them have lived on my laptop at one time
 or another over the last 10 years or so), but I'm now looking for
 solid business reasons that I can present to the CxO types of a
 company to show them that CentOS is probably where they'd like to
 look.

 Reasons thus far I've come up with include:

 --free *and* fully (at least, in my experience) compatible with RHEL
 --fairly stable (I don't have problems unless I start mixing repos)
 --yum packages (almost as cool as Debian! Ok, I'm biased...or maybe I
 don't know how to properly use yum?)

 Any other suggestions / tips I might add to my list would be greatly
 appreciated!

   

Free is not a good reason (I think); the main problem is RHEL is too
expensive; so there is the
Centos project.
If you can buy some RHEL : do it, because you will help a good company
and indirectly Centos (because, after all,
who do the tests? who create patchs?? mainly RH :)

my 0.02€




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