Re: [CentOS] deprecations leading up to C8
Hey Niki, On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 10:53:21 +0200 Nicolas Kovacs wrote: > Le 22/09/2019 à 23:47, Fred Smith a écrit : > > Thanks Niki! Google even does a pretty good job of translating them for > > those of us who are Francophonally challended. > > > > I find it humorous that it talks about "throwing" an application. :) > > I guess the original was something like "launching", only in French. > > On a related off-topic note, here's a funny anecdote. Back in the > mid-nineties, I worked as a translator for a french company that worked > for IBM. We did all the work for their brand-new project, but things > were kept secret, so we had to use a dummy project name, and the real > name was only to be revealed very shortly before the release. > > Some time before the release, IBM revealed the project name "Pine" for > their new multimedia PC. And we had a problem. Because the advertisement > folders had now titles like "Découvrez les joies du multimédia avec > votre Pine". In France, "pine" is the slang word for "penis". > > After a few funny phone calls, the project was eventually renamed, and > some of you may remember the IBM Aptiva running Windows 95. lol, croustillant. Still on this way, the Pine Store exists ;-) (and the Pine community or the Pine Microsystems too), fortunately not translated to French, even "pin" (pine tree in French) doesn't make it. Regards, -- wwp https://useplaintext.email/ pgp_YGRJSIsLS.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] deprecations leading up to C8
Le 22/09/2019 à 23:47, Fred Smith a écrit : > Thanks Niki! Google even does a pretty good job of translating them for > those of us who are Francophonally challended. > > I find it humorous that it talks about "throwing" an application. :) > I guess the original was something like "launching", only in French. On a related off-topic note, here's a funny anecdote. Back in the mid-nineties, I worked as a translator for a french company that worked for IBM. We did all the work for their brand-new project, but things were kept secret, so we had to use a dummy project name, and the real name was only to be revealed very shortly before the release. Some time before the release, IBM revealed the project name "Pine" for their new multimedia PC. And we had a problem. Because the advertisement folders had now titles like "Découvrez les joies du multimédia avec votre Pine". In France, "pine" is the slang word for "penis". After a few funny phone calls, the project was eventually renamed, and some of you may remember the IBM Aptiva running Windows 95. :o) Cheers, Niki -- Microlinux - Solutions informatiques durables 7, place de l'église - 30730 Montpezat Site : https://www.microlinux.fr Mail : i...@microlinux.fr Tél. : 04 66 63 10 32 Mob. : 06 51 80 12 12 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] deprecations leading up to C8
Hello Fred,
On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 17:47:00 -0400 Fred Smith
wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 09:34:59PM +0200, Nicolas Kovacs wrote:
> > Le 20/09/2019 à 14:49, Alexander Dalloz a écrit :
> > > Please, forget about so call howtos or tutorials on the net. They
> > > are either dated, giving wrong ideas (no, you don't need a MySQL
> > > server to run Postfix), failing to explain why the author has done
> > > things the way he writes them up, or they are simply wrong /
> > > violating best practice.
> >
> > Here are my so-called tutorials about Postfix with plenty of wrong
> > information, failing to explain everything:
> >
> > https://www.microlinux.fr/tag/postfix/
> >
> > Enjoy :o)
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Niki
>
> Thanks Niki! Google even does a pretty good job of translating them for
> those of us who are Francophonally challended.
>
> I find it humorous that it talks about "throwing" an application. :)
> I guess the original was something like "launching", only in French.
Yes funny, this poor translation comes from the fact that the verb
"lancer" in French has several meanings, throw and launch (as well as
initiate, start, in a more familiar way). A rocket will be launched, a
ball with be thrown, a process will start, an application will be
launched. They both translate to French with the verb "lancer" ("start"
should be "démarrer", "lancer" is not the formal use for this even if
very common). Google just does it wrong in the other way ;-) (as usual,
and it's not the worst at it).
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Re: [CentOS] deprecations leading up to C8
On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 09:34:59PM +0200, Nicolas Kovacs wrote: > Le 20/09/2019 à 14:49, Alexander Dalloz a écrit : > > Please, forget about so call howtos or tutorials on the net. They > > are either dated, giving wrong ideas (no, you don't need a MySQL > > server to run Postfix), failing to explain why the author has done > > things the way he writes them up, or they are simply wrong / > > violating best practice. > > Here are my so-called tutorials about Postfix with plenty of wrong > information, failing to explain everything: > > https://www.microlinux.fr/tag/postfix/ > > Enjoy :o) > > Cheers, > > Niki Thanks Niki! Google even does a pretty good job of translating them for those of us who are Francophonally challended. I find it humorous that it talks about "throwing" an application. :) I guess the original was something like "launching", only in French. -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us - God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." --- Corinthians 5:21 - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] deprecations leading up to C8
Le 20/09/2019 à 14:49, Alexander Dalloz a écrit : > Please, forget about so call howtos or tutorials on the net. They > are either dated, giving wrong ideas (no, you don't need a MySQL > server to run Postfix), failing to explain why the author has done > things the way he writes them up, or they are simply wrong / > violating best practice. Here are my so-called tutorials about Postfix with plenty of wrong information, failing to explain everything: https://www.microlinux.fr/tag/postfix/ Enjoy :o) Cheers, Niki -- Microlinux - Solutions informatiques durables 7, place de l'église - 30730 Montpezat Site : https://www.microlinux.fr Mail : i...@microlinux.fr Tél. : 04 66 63 10 32 Mob. : 06 51 80 12 12 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] deprecations leading up to C8
On 21/09/2019 11:18, Peter wrote: On 21/09/19 10:15 PM, Peter wrote: On 21/09/19 1:25 PM, Fred Smith wrote: On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 12:45:03PM -0500, SternData wrote: Does that mean it's gone from the CentOS repos or just that PostFix is the default choice? I believe it means that it won't be in Centos anymore. Correct, but do note that epel has picked up where Red Hat has dropped the ball. Sendmail is available for el8 from epel. Sorry, I am mistaken. I looked at the epel package list and saw "sendemail" and mistook it for "sendmail". I imagine that someone will end up building sendmail for el8, though. Sendmail is still in RHEL8, so it will be in CentOS too (I assume). sendmail-8.15.2-31.el8.x86_64 is in the appstream repo. Phil ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] deprecations leading up to C8
On 21/09/19 10:15 PM, Peter wrote: On 21/09/19 1:25 PM, Fred Smith wrote: On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 12:45:03PM -0500, SternData wrote: Does that mean it's gone from the CentOS repos or just that PostFix is the default choice? I believe it means that it won't be in Centos anymore. Correct, but do note that epel has picked up where Red Hat has dropped the ball. Sendmail is available for el8 from epel. Sorry, I am mistaken. I looked at the epel package list and saw "sendemail" and mistook it for "sendmail". I imagine that someone will end up building sendmail for el8, though. Peter ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] deprecations leading up to C8
On 21/09/19 1:25 PM, Fred Smith wrote: On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 12:45:03PM -0500, SternData wrote: Does that mean it's gone from the CentOS repos or just that PostFix is the default choice? I believe it means that it won't be in Centos anymore. Correct, but do note that epel has picked up where Red Hat has dropped the ball. Sendmail is available for el8 from epel. That said, there is nothing wrong with switching to postfix if that's what you want, postfix is an excellent MTA. It's just that if you want to continue with sendmail then epel provides a solution for you. Peter ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] deprecations leading up to C8
On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 12:45:03PM -0500, SternData wrote: > Does that mean it's gone from the CentOS repos or just that PostFix is > the default choice? I believe it means that it won't be in Centos anymore. I also believe the Postifx is already the default choice, Sendmail isn't in the default installation. > > On 9/19/19 6:04 PM, Fred Smith wrote: > > Was reading the long list of things being deprecated in the RHEL 8 > > release notes t'other day, and saw my old friend sendmail on the list. > > > > I've stuck by her because I've learned how she likes to be stroked to > > get the best out of her, and quail at the thought of taking on a new > > MTA and having to learn it all all over again. > > > > But I guess I'm going to have to, soon or late, probably sooner than > > later. :( > > > > Can anyone point me to resources specifically for helping us ignorant > > folk in converting all the arcan-ity in sendmail.mc into something > > equivalent for Postfix? > > > > Thanks in advancce! > > > > Fred > > > > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us - The Lord is like a strong tower. Those who do what is right can run to him for safety. --- Proverbs 18:10 (niv) - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] deprecations leading up to C8
Does that mean it's gone from the CentOS repos or just that PostFix is the default choice? On 9/19/19 6:04 PM, Fred Smith wrote: > Was reading the long list of things being deprecated in the RHEL 8 > release notes t'other day, and saw my old friend sendmail on the list. > > I've stuck by her because I've learned how she likes to be stroked to > get the best out of her, and quail at the thought of taking on a new > MTA and having to learn it all all over again. > > But I guess I'm going to have to, soon or late, probably sooner than > later. :( > > Can anyone point me to resources specifically for helping us ignorant > folk in converting all the arcan-ity in sendmail.mc into something > equivalent for Postfix? > > Thanks in advancce! > > Fred > ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] deprecations leading up to C8
On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 02:49:36PM +0200, Alexander Dalloz wrote: > Am 2019-09-20 12:06, schrieb Randal, Phil: > >When I migrated our mx boxes from CentOS 5 to 7 I made the leap to > >postfix. > > > >I built a test server with postfix etc on it and threw everything I > >could think of at it before going live. > > > >The key is, like in learning a new language, to start thinking in > >postfix terms instead of thinking in sendmail terms. > > Exactly, I was about to answer the same. > > Postfix has a lot of features build-in Sendmail hasn't. It is > feature rich and actively developed. Many things you would need a > milter or complex cf style coding for with Sendmail you can > configure in Postfix in a simple way. > > >It takes a while to 'get it' but I'm glad we made the link. > > > >We search, read as many people's howtos as you can (caveat - they are > >rarely 100% accurate), and test, test, test before going into > >production. > > Please, forget about so call howtos or tutorials on the net. They > are either dated, giving wrong ideas (no, you don't need a MySQL > server to run Postfix), failing to explain why the author has done > things the way he writes them up, or they are simply wrong / > violating best practice. > > Postfix has a very good documentation (compared to the one shipping > with Sendmail). > > http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html > > http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html > > >Cheers, > > > >Phil > > Alexander Thanks to both of you: I'll be pursuing those docs. Fred -- --- Under no circumstances will I ever purchase anything offered to me as the result of an unsolicited e-mail message. Nor will I forward chain letters, petitions, mass mailings, or virus warnings to large numbers of others. This is my contribution to the survival of the online community. --Roger Ebert, December, 1996 - The Boulder Pledge - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] deprecations leading up to C8
Am 2019-09-20 12:06, schrieb Randal, Phil: When I migrated our mx boxes from CentOS 5 to 7 I made the leap to postfix. I built a test server with postfix etc on it and threw everything I could think of at it before going live. The key is, like in learning a new language, to start thinking in postfix terms instead of thinking in sendmail terms. Exactly, I was about to answer the same. Postfix has a lot of features build-in Sendmail hasn't. It is feature rich and actively developed. Many things you would need a milter or complex cf style coding for with Sendmail you can configure in Postfix in a simple way. It takes a while to 'get it' but I'm glad we made the link. We search, read as many people's howtos as you can (caveat - they are rarely 100% accurate), and test, test, test before going into production. Please, forget about so call howtos or tutorials on the net. They are either dated, giving wrong ideas (no, you don't need a MySQL server to run Postfix), failing to explain why the author has done things the way he writes them up, or they are simply wrong / violating best practice. Postfix has a very good documentation (compared to the one shipping with Sendmail). http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html Cheers, Phil Alexander ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] deprecations leading up to C8
When I migrated our mx boxes from CentOS 5 to 7 I made the leap to postfix. I built a test server with postfix etc on it and threw everything I could think of at it before going live. The key is, like in learning a new language, to start thinking in postfix terms instead of thinking in sendmail terms. It takes a while to 'get it' but I'm glad we made the link. We search, read as many people's howtos as you can (caveat - they are rarely 100% accurate), and test, test, test before going into production. Cheers, Phil -- Phil Randal Infrastructure Engineer Hoople Ltd | Plough Lane | Hereford HR4 0LE Tel: 01432 260415 | Website: www.hoopleltd.co.uk Follow us on: Twitter | Facebook | LinkedIn -Original Message- From: CentOS On Behalf Of Fred Smith Sent: 20 September 2019 00:04 To: centos@centos.org Subject: [CentOS] deprecations leading up to C8 CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organisation. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe. Was reading the long list of things being deprecated in the RHEL 8 release notes t'other day, and saw my old friend sendmail on the list. I've stuck by her because I've learned how she likes to be stroked to get the best out of her, and quail at the thought of taking on a new MTA and having to learn it all all over again. But I guess I'm going to have to, soon or late, probably sooner than later. :( Can anyone point me to resources specifically for helping us ignorant folk in converting all the arcan-ity in sendmail.mc into something equivalent for Postfix? Thanks in advancce! Fred -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us - I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. -- Philippians 4:13 --- ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Hoople Ltd, Registered in England and Wales No. 7556595 Registered office: Plough Lane, Hereford, HR4 0LE "Any opinion expressed in this e-mail or any attached files are those of the individual and not necessarily those of Hoople Ltd. You should be aware that Hoople Ltd. monitors its email service. This e-mail and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee. This communication may contain material protected by law from being passed on. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this e-mail in error, you are advised that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and destroy all copies of it." ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] deprecations leading up to C8
On 20/09/2019 9:04 am, Fred Smith wrote: Was reading the long list of things being deprecated in the RHEL 8 release notes t'other day, and saw my old friend sendmail on the list. I've stuck by her because I've learned how she likes to be stroked to get the best out of her, and quail at the thought of taking on a new MTA and having to learn it all all over again. But I guess I'm going to have to, soon or late, probably sooner than later. :( Can anyone point me to resources specifically for helping us ignorant folk in converting all the arcan-ity in sendmail.mc into something equivalent for Postfix? Thanks in advancce! Fred Hi Fred I've been through the same process when I switched to SL7, its not too hard. I used the O'Reilly book on Postfix as my guide, although your signature says a whole lot more ;-) Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us - I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. -- Philippians 4:13 --- -- Cheers Bill ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
