Re: [CentOS-docs] Merging Documentation and Help pages

[Ralph Angenendt]

Dag Wieers wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Jan 2009, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> http://wiki.centos.org/GettingHelp/ListInfo is referenced throughout the 
>> wiki,
>> for example.
> 
> Yes, I knew about that one. Should we move that one now ? What would be a 
> good location for it ? Mailinglists ? Documentation/Mailinglists ?

It's in all ReleaseNotes, on the spanish frontpage, on the fr frontpage
(which isn't referenced anywhere yet, afaics).

HowToContribute is in the FAQs (FAQ frontpage, english and spanish), in
the ReleaseNotes, in AboutThisWiki, in ToDo, on the Events frontpage,
there is wiki:HowToContribute/Packages (which isn't correct anyway,
AFAICS), in ArtWork (where it really doesn't matter), there is
HowToContribute/EditingCentOSWiki, it is in the "General" FAQ, it's in
GettingHelp/ListInfo, in Contribute/, in HowTos/Amavisd - and that
should be about it ...

No idea how to go at that - we have to move the HowToContribute subpages
first (and put a redirect into the old pages, so google or other pages
referencing it don't get upset). 

> For the new names of pages I try to get rid of mixed names like 
> GettingHelp to get a higher Google ranking. Using slashes or dashes would 
> probably be better, but for the whole documentation section I have no clue 
> how we want to structure it in the future.

Me neither - But HowTo and TipsAndTricks still seem logical and senseful
to me. 

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Permission to add an entry to the Webcams page

[Ralph Angenendt]

Marko A. Jennings wrote:
> On Thu, January 1, 2009 1:00 pm, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> > Marko A. Jennings wrote:
> >> I would like to add an entry for the Logitech QuickCam Communicate STX
> >> to this page:
> >> http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/HardwareList/Webcams
> >
> > I need your WikiName for that ...
> 
> So sorry, getting old and forgetful:  MarkoJennings

Done.

Cheers and thanks,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Permission to add an entry to the Webcams page

[Ralph Angenendt]

Marko A. Jennings wrote:
> I would like to add an entry for the Logitech QuickCam Communicate STX to
> this page:
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/HardwareList/Webcams

I need your WikiName for that ...

Ralph

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Re: [CentOS-docs] Merging Documentation and Help pages

[Ralph Angenendt]

Dag Wieers wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> > Sure, this should be possible (and we also can change the link the Tab
> > points to).
> 
> Great, I merged both and added a redirect so that other links are still 
> valid. Can you change the Help tab to point to Documentation ? (Keeping 
> the Help name seems very useful)

Done.

> Should we actively look for wiki pages still referencing GettingHelp and 
> HowToContribute and relink them to Documentation and Contribute pages ?
> 
> If so, how can we do that ?

By grepping through the pages ...

http://wiki.centos.org/GettingHelp/ListInfo is referenced throughout the wiki,
for example.

Cheers and a happy New Year,

Ralph

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Re: [CentOS-docs] Merging Documentation and Help pages

[Ralph Angenendt]

Dag Wieers wrote:
> I would prefer to keep the Documentation page (or rename it to Learn or 
> Help, I don't mind) and point the Help tab to the same page. And 
> Redirecting from the original GettingHelp page to this new page.

Sure, this should be possible (and we also can change the link the Tab
points to).

> Can I do this ? (The information on top of the GettingHelp page contains 
> instructions that I do not understand)

I think those can be safely ignored >:)

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Merging 2 contribute pages

[Ralph Angenendt]

Dag Wieers wrote:
> Is it possible to link the Contribute tab on the top to the Contribute 
> page instead and then remove the HowToContribute page ?

Done. (Yes, this has to be done in the config file ...).

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Contributing on CentOS Wiki

[Ralph Angenendt]

Vitor Afonso Strabello wrote:
> Hello, I'm Vitor Afonso Strabello and I need to be added as a member into
> the Wiki to edit/create some tips and entries on the Wiki.

Just a short "Hi" - I don't really have the network connectivity I'd
like to have at the moment, so I'll get back to you after the holidays
(Monday or Tuesday next week). 

Merry (last day of) christmas :)

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Korean Translation of release note for 5.2

[Ralph Angenendt]

bulmoji-cen...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hello,
> > Let's see if that works with spaces in the wiki name (I don't see
> > why it shouldn't, but ...). If you have problems editing, please
> > change your account to YoungHoonPark and mention it here.
> 
> I've changed my login name to YoungHoonPark.(just removed space) Could
> you see if my login name works again?

Okay, I've changed it. You can try now if it works.

> > Can we count on you to also translate the release notes for 5.3
> > then?

Great.

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Added BackupPC Guide

[Ralph Angenendt]

Ned Slider wrote:
> In hind sight, that's probably not the clearest way to do it and 
> formatting it in a separate note box would probably make it stand out more.

Probably. Or have two config sections (one for x86_64, one for i386) so
people can still cut and paste.

> Equally, where config stuff has changed between dists (eg, C4 > C5), 
> I've stated the guide was written for C5 but added notes affecting C4 
> where I've known of differences (for example, 
> HowTos/postfix_restrictions where some of the config syntax changed 
> between postfix versions).

Yes. Or write it twice or three times, for 4 and 5 (or maybe even 3).
This has been done on several pages, see the HardwareList. If it really
is release specific (meaning it really is only for 5 or for 4), this
should be stated directly at the top of the document ...

> WRT your point above, IMHO major information (potential show stoppers) 
> such as dist or arch specific notes would probably be best included in a 
> note at the *top* of the document rather than the bottom. I'd be a 
> little miffed at reading a whole document only to discover right at the 
> bottom of the page that there is an arch or dist gotcha that applies to 
> me. 

... to avoid exactly that >:)

What could be done and means a bit of work: Work with categories on the
wiki pages. 

So you could have a Category64Bit, Category32Bit, CategoryCentOS5,
CategoryCentOS4 at the bottom of each page. We could then create
overview pages for CentOS 4, CentOS 5, x86_64 (and so on) on which these
articles will automatically be listed.

A CategoryCentOS4 overview page could look like this:

http://wiki.centos.org/CategoryCentOS4 (this page does not exist yet!)

%<%<%<%<%<%<%<%<%<%<%<%<
## Please edit system and help pages ONLY in the moinmaster wiki! For
more
## information, please see MoinMaster:MoinPagesEditorGroup.
##master-page:CategoryTemplate
##master-date:Unknown-Date
#format wiki
#language en

Everything on this Wiki related to CentOS 4

'''A list of pages in this category:'''

[[FullSearch()]]


CategoryCategory
%<%<%<%<%<%<%<%<%<%<%<%<

See  for a bit more information
about Categories in Moin.

Why would this mean "a bit of work"?

Because we have to retouch every page to make this work.

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Added BackupPC Guide

[Ralph Angenendt]

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> > Karanbir Singh wrote:
> >> Btw, where should I look for editorial notes ? I just looked and failed 
> >> at finding anything. 
> > 
> > If you tell me what you mean by that I might help you looking.
> 
> ah sorry. to clarify: do we have any guidelines for people who are 
> writing content ? Things that should be done, other things that should 
> not be done and best practises etc ?

Yes, but not much and mostly technical:

<http://wiki.centos.org/HowToContribute/Wiki> - follow the guidelines
link.

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Added BackupPC Guide

[Ralph Angenendt]

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Btw, where should I look for editorial notes ? I just looked and failed 
> at finding anything. 

If you tell me what you mean by that I might help you looking.

> Although that might be the Orval from last night still doing the
> rounds in my head.

Augustiner Beer does the same - let me tell you >:)

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Korean Translation of release note for 5.2

[Ralph Angenendt]

bulmoji-cen...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am a CentOS user in Korea.
> 
> I found today there is no Korean Translation of release note for 5.2 here.
> 
> So, I translated it. 
> 
> How can I post this at the right place?

By waiting for me to add you to the correct ACL group on the wiki (which
I have done now).

> My login name is YoungHoon Park.

Let's see if that works with spaces in the wiki name (I don't see why it
shouldn't, but ...). If you have problems editing, please change your
account to YoungHoonPark and mention it here.

Can we count on you to also translate the release notes for 5.3 then?

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Added BackupPC Guide

[Ralph Angenendt]

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Max Hetrick wrote:
> >> 1) It doesn't work on a 64-bit machine, since the Perl modules will be
> >> installed under /usr/lib64 but they will require '/usr/lib' instead.
> > 
> > My backup server isn't 64 bit, so I can't really say much here.
> 
> Can the article not be made more Arch agnostic ?
> 
> Question for EditGroup: do we have a policy on arch specific info ? 

Not that I know of.

> if not, is that something we should have ?

AFAICR this is the first time we hit a problem with software being arch
specific, so I don't think that it is a high priority issue. For release
specific information we put CentOS 3, CentOS 4, CentOS 5 sections into
documents, so maybe this is something which can/should be done as well
for arch specific information, too?

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Spacewalk howto for CentOS 5

[Ralph Angenendt]

Patrice Guay wrote:
> Here is were I would like to put this page: 
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/PackageManagement/Spacewalk

You think that that is the best place for the HowTo? How about adding a
Deployment section to that page and get Matt to pimp up his
 page and also put it
there?

Anyway, go ahead.

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] wiki

[Ralph Angenendt]

Serge Koganovitsch wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I would like to add a page to the wiki describing the installation and 
> configuration of Centos 5.2 on a Dell Latitude D830.
> 
> My login would be SergeKoganovitsch

Go ahead. You need to add the subpage and the link to that page for
yourself - if you have problems with that, then just shout.

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] contribute to Centos Wiki

[Ralph Angenendt]

Vincent Van der Kussen wrote:
> I recently started using Centos on the server (Red Hat at work) and i
> thought you guys could use some extra manpower to help the wiki grow.
> I can write some documents on occasion that can be put on the wiki.

Do you have an idea of what you'd like to write at the moment?

> King Regards,

The King bows and says "Thank you" >:)

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] HardwareList - webcams

[Ralph Angenendt]

Akemi Yagi wrote:
> Ralph, is this also from you?  

No.

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] HardwareList - webcams

[Ralph Angenendt]

Ned Slider wrote:
> The hardware list page on the Wiki:
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/HardwareList
> 
> says:
> 
> "I'd like to see this page as an entry point for hardware that does not 
> work with CentOS out of the box or only with some effort. I do not see a 
> need for a list which states all working hardware."

That's from me - we don't/didn't have the manpower (and the machines) to
make a list like that (and I still feel that way). 

> I'd like to ask if we can make a small exception to that rule for 
> webcams, and ask for permission to start a section for webcams known to 
> work with CentOS. 

Sure, go ahead, what you wrote sounds reasonable :)

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] CentOS Events on wiki menu

[Ralph Angenendt]

Dag Wieers wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is it possible to rename the CentOS Events tab to simply Events ?
> The other tabs do not include CentOS either.

Yes, done.

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] wiki home page links

[Ralph Angenendt]

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> I just noticed that the home page links on wiki.centos.org dont actually  
> match the navigation on the top/bottom, is that by design ? it just  
> looks confusing

It never really did, see .
The navigation on the top can (IMNSHO) be seen as shortcuts for seasoned
wiki users. 

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] What's an Enterprise class OS

[Ralph Angenendt]

Steve Tindall wrote:
> When looking for a reference to post in response to a question, I often
> find it hard to locate questions in the FAQs that I know exist, but
> sometimes that's because of the web vs. wiki FAQs issue (i.e., I'm
> looking in the wrong one).

The problem with the FAQs on the web site is, that only a small amount
of people can edit there - and those are the people who tend to have not
enough time as it is at the moment. That's why the FAQs on the wiki are
more current. On the other hand you can add comments to the FAQs on the
web site which isn't that easy to do with the wiki. I tested some
comment plugin for moin on wiki-m.centos.org, but that has one major
drawback: It works fine for normal article pages (so maybe we should
incorporate it into the wiki), but you cannot have more than one
instance of that plugin per page. Tat means that you can only add
comments to the complete FAQ section, not to single questions on that
FAQ.

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Structure for Contribution Pages

[Ralph Angenendt]

Alain Reguera Delgado wrote:
> Hi Guys,
> 
> While updating es/ pages, noted that actually there are two Contribute
> pages. One in Contribute and other in HowToContribute.

Oops. True :)

> I wonder if we could reorganize that a bit. Maybe separate
> contribution needs by SIGs. Then create a Contribution index page
> where all those SIG's contribution pages be linked from ? It may be
> needed to create some SIGs in those areas where they don't exist.
> 
> At this moment (and at least for me) it is a bit confusing to have two
> pages for the same thing.

Let me look into that. I'd like to use the "HowToContribute" page as a
starting point, as that contains more info at the moment - and we can
then add the SIGs stuff as another part of that page.

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] new frontpage and reference to the japanese mailing list

[Ralph Angenendt]

Akemi Yagi wrote:
> A reference to the japanese mailing list was added sometime ago to this page:
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/GettingHelp
> 
> Now, the new frontpage takes you (after a couple of clicks) to:
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/GettingHelp/ListInfo
> 
> which does not contain the info about the .jp site.  Could this be
> added there as well?

Hmmm. I was sure that I did put that in there. Done, sorry.

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] [artwork] Image for external links

[Ralph Angenendt]

Alain Reguera Delgado wrote:
> > PS: That fixes the wrapping problem, not the icon "per se".
> >
> 
> We keep the moin globe icon before links or use the trac's one ?

No, we can use the trac one - this was just a "hot fix" I did.

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] [artwork] Image for external links

[Ralph Angenendt]

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> And even if you put   into the header lines of that table it breaks
> at strange points. Bloody wiki software ...

What do they say about people speaking to themselves? Well, at list you
all listen now: Fixed.

Alain - can you incorporate the diff into modern-CentOS? 

Cheers,

Ralph

PS: That fixes the wrapping problem, not the icon "per se".
--- common.css.orig 2008-11-03 14:09:05.0 +
+++ common.css  2008-11-03 14:09:16.0 +
@@ -23,19 +23,19 @@
 
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+a.www:before {white-space:nowrap; content: url(../img/moin-www.png); margin: 0 
0.2em;}
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0 0.2em;}
+a.https:before {white-space:nowrap; content: url(../img/moin-www.png); margin: 
0 0.2em;}
+a.file:before {white-space:nowrap; content: url(../img/moin-ftp.png); margin: 
0 0.2em;}
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0.2em;}
+a.nntp:before {white-space:nowrap; content: url(../img/moin-news.png); margin: 
0 0.2em;}
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0 0.2em;}
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margin: 0 0.2em;}
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margin: 0 0.2em;}
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margin: 0 0.2em;}
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margin: 0 0.2em;}
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url(../img/moin-inter.png); margin: 0 0.2em;}
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margin: 0 0.2em;}
 
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Re: [CentOS-docs] [artwork] Image for external links

[Ralph Angenendt]

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> > Why did you use an "http" link in there instead of using a relative link
> > into the wiki? Okay, then you would have "one nothing, one globe", but
> > ...
> > 
> > Let me change it and see how it looks like.
> 
> Okay, that only works for release notes from 4 and 5 >:)

And even if you put   into the header lines of that table it breaks
at strange points. Bloody wiki software ...

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] [artwork] Image for external links

[Ralph Angenendt]

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Why did you use an "http" link in there instead of using a relative link
> into the wiki? Okay, then you would have "one nothing, one globe", but
> ...
> 
> Let me change it and see how it looks like.

Okay, that only works for release notes from 4 and 5 >:)

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] [artwork] Image for external links

[Ralph Angenendt]

Dag Wieers wrote:
> Also I have noticed the image (colorful globe) and the link behind it to  
> be broken in 2 lines. So it would be better to have a somthing like a 
>  between the image and the link.
>
> I see this in the Download table for the Release Email/Release Notes  
> column:
>   http://wiki.centos.org/Download

Why did you use an "http" link in there instead of using a relative link
into the wiki? Okay, then you would have "one nothing, one globe", but
...

Let me change it and see how it looks like.

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Opening of the wiki Part III(?) ...

[Ralph Angenendt]

Ned Slider wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> Question: Do we need more than we have now (meaning: Do we need trac and
>> subversion or is this mailing list and the wiki enough for now)? We
>> cannot change the documentation we get from upstream and I don't
>> remember if we have any other documentation than is on the wiki at the
>> moment ...
>
> I don't personally see a need for anything else atm Ralph. Formalizing a  
> SIG could be as easy as nominating a dev team rep (you??), SIG lead and  
> membership, and putting it on the Wiki.
>
> I don't really understand why we mirror the RH documentation (manuals)  
> other than to be polite and conserve upstream's bandwidth? Obviously the  
> documentation retains RH's branding so presumably can be freely  
> redistributed but not changed so I'm wondering where's the added value?  
> Is it purely a courtesy or are there other reasons not to point directly  
> to upstream's manuals.

Courtesy and to have something within the centos space to point to.
Plus: Finding the manuals on upstream *all in one place* (like
clustermanagement, virtualization and so on) isn't that easy.

> One more thing - I'm wondering about the continued use of the "prominent  
> North American Enterprise Linux vendor" phrase that appears on the  
> website. Presumably this dates back to a time when Red Hat was less  
> receptive to CentOS but that has changed now? Is this something that  
> could/should be dropped now relations are friendlier?

Good question.

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Opening of the wiki Part III(?) ...

[Ralph Angenendt]

Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 8:54 AM, Ralph Angenendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Ned Slider wrote:
> 
> >> Also, whilst undergoing this process, would it also be a good time to
> >> request and/or formalize a documentation SIG as there doesn't appear to
> >> be one at present. Presumably those who have raised their hands would be
> >> obvious candidates for such a SIG.
> >
> > Ummm. I thought this was it? Or please rephrase what you mean by
> > "documentation SIG" ...
> 
> Well, it is listed under "Future SIGs":
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup

Question: Do we need more than we have now (meaning: Do we need trac and
subversion or is this mailing list and the wiki enough for now)? We
cannot change the documentation we get from upstream and I don't
remember if we have any other documentation than is on the wiki at the
moment ...

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Opening of the wiki Part III(?) ...

[Ralph Angenendt]

Ned Slider wrote:
> Having given this much thought (mostly around my available free time),  
> if it's not too late I'd also like to also raise my hand and in so doing  
> give this thread a little bump.

Good, let us get this on the way then (I'm sorry, I'm not really available on
weekends at the moment so things on a slightly larger scale take a while).

> Also, whilst undergoing this process, would it also be a good time to  
> request and/or formalize a documentation SIG as there doesn't appear to  
> be one at present. Presumably those who have raised their hands would be  
> obvious candidates for such a SIG.

Ummm. I thought this was it? Or please rephrase what you mean by 
"documentation SIG" ... 

Cheers,

Ralph

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Re: [CentOS-docs] ASUS F5N How to

[Ralph Angenendt]

Ali Abbas wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> My wiki username is: AliAbbas
> 
> I would like to add a page entry to
> http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Laptopsfor the Asus F5N laptop, as to
> explain the installation process and how to
> configure the hardware.

Go ahead.

Cheers,

Ralph

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Re: [CentOS-docs] Encrypting tmp swap and home

[Ralph Angenendt]

Chris * wrote:
> 
> I had submitted a document to this list a few weeks back that gave
> instructions for whole disk encryption which would cover /tmp /home
> /swap and everything other than /boot.  I did not ask for space in the
> wiki because i thought it was waiting for "peer review" for accuracy.
> That entire thread seemed to simply die so I haven't pursued the wiki
> any further.  I already have this document in a wiki format at work
> and would be happy to submit it to the CentOS wiki should it pass
> muster.  The contents of my last post are:

Ooops, that must have slipped by me, sorry. Got a wiki account?


> Whole (Most) Disk Encryption on CentOS 5

Good. I'm going to move the TipsAndTricks "EnctyptedFileSystem" to the
HowTo section also, and we can create that page too.

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Small correction in CentOSPlus (AdditionalResources/Repositories/CentOSPlus)

[Ralph Angenendt]

Filipe Brandenburger wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Small correction there.
> 
> Example 4 of section 2 (how to use XFS with CentOSPlus kernel) says
> you should use this configuration line in [centosplus] section of yum:
> 
> includepkgs=kernel* xfs* dmapi*
> 
> However, the XFS module's package name is kmod-xfs*, so I believe it
> should actually be:
> 
> includepkgs=kernel* kmod-xfs* xfs* dmapi*

IIRC the centosplus kernel has xfs "built in" as a module, so the first
line should be correct.

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Opening of the wiki Part III(?) ...

[Ralph Angenendt]

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Okay, Russ did some changes to that which explain a bit more *why* we
> want people to adhere to those "standards" 

And I added some stuff about conflict resolution.

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Opening of the wiki Part III(?) ...

[Ralph Angenendt]

Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> n Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Ralph Angenendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > a) I have changed the account creation page:
> >   <http://wiki-m.centos.org/UserPreferences>. Please view that page
> >   while logged out of wiki-m.
> 
> Looks good.
> 
> > b) While doing so I have changed the Guidelines page for the wiki.
> >   Please review that page and add to the "Guidelines concerning Wiki
> >   content" part:
> >   <http://wiki-m.centos.org/HowToContribute/EditingCentOSWiki>
> 
> I went over it and don't have anything to add at the moment, but I
> will do so when I think of something.

Okay, Russ did some changes to that which explain a bit more *why* we
want people to adhere to those "standards"  - but is everybody okay with
what is in there, the UserPreferences page and the idea in general?

If not, I'd like to start that over the next weekend.

Plus: I put the "First Time" stuff on top of the user preferences page.
So already existing users might be a tad annoyed by that, but first time
users will see it more clearly.

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Opening of the wiki Part III(?) ...

[Ralph Angenendt]

Akemi Yagi wrote:
> One thing about this is when there is a dispute between/among
> contributors.  How would we "settle" the case?  Who would make the
> final decision?  The dispute can happen within the Editorial Team as
> well.

Shoot the offenders. I think this should be a) either played out here or
b) tried to be settled via common sense. 

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Opening of the wiki Part III(?) ...

[Ralph Angenendt]

Akemi Yagi wrote:
> > n Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Ralph Angenendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >> b) While doing so I have changed the Guidelines page for the wiki.
> >>   Please review that page and add to the "Guidelines concerning Wiki
> >>   content" part:
> >>   <http://wiki-m.centos.org/HowToContribute/EditingCentOSWiki>
> 
> Perhaps mention that the contents are being monitored and might be
> changed/modified by members of the Editorial Team if needed ?  Of this
> is not necessary because everyone with the edit access can do so?

The part "everyone with access can" is one of the reasons for opening up
the wiki, so I think that doesn't really need to be mentioned. What do
others think?

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Opening of the wiki Part III(?) ...

[Ralph Angenendt]

Tim Verhoeven wrote:
> Sounds like a very good idea to remove the Frontpage from the general
> EditGroup. Are there maybe any other pages we should remove from
> general editing ?

No idea. Probably the guidelines page :)

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Opening of the wiki Part III(?) ...

[Ralph Angenendt]

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> a) I have changed the account creation page:
><http://wiki-m.centos.org/UserPreferences>. Please view that page
>while logged out of wiki-m.

Yes, I know that the attachment is missing (the attention sign). This
will work on <http://wiki.centos.org/>.

Cheers,

Ralph


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[CentOS-docs] Opening of the wiki Part III(?) ...

[Ralph Angenendt]

... which will hopefully be the last part.

Sorry that it took that long, but I didn't have too much time on my
hands over the last two months or so.

This is what should be the last stages of opening up the wiki:

a) I have changed the account creation page:
   . Please view that page
   while logged out of wiki-m.

b) While doing so I have changed the Guidelines page for the wiki.
   Please review that page and add to the "Guidelines concerning Wiki
   content" part:
   

c) So there will be an alias "wikiteam AT centos.org" to which
   submissions for new accounts will go to. The people on the editorial
   team for the wiki will get mails for that alias, so they can add the
   person requiring access to EditGroup.

d) Which means that more people will be allowed to edit
    - all the people on the editorial
   team will be able to.

e) All people which already have access to some pages or subpages of the
   wiki will be moved into the general EditGroup so they can edit
   anywhere on the wiki (which means that people have to take more care
   about what they edit where). I think we might want to take the front
   page out of the pages people can edit.

So please: Add to the Contribution page (if possible on wiki-m or just
point out stuff I have forgotten in this thread).

And even more important: Who wanted to be on the Editorial Team? Being
on it means that you are supposed to subscribe to *all* pages on the
wiki (meaning that you'll get a changelog diff for all changed pages via
mail). And it means that you should at least skim through those diffs to
see if there is a violation of the wiki guidelines (or if some spammer
still does his spamruns manually). So please raise your hands *NOW*.

Anything else I missed? 

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Review and maintenance of the JavaOnCentOS article.

[Ralph Angenendt]

Johnny Wahnstroem wrote:
> Hello everyone!
> 
> In a CentOS forum thread[1], I was asked by forum member "AlanJBartlett"
> if I would like to take on the care and feeding of the latter (section
> 3?) part of the "JavaOnCentOS" article. 

Go ahead.

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Review and maintenance of the JavaOnCentOS article.

[Ralph Angenendt]

R P Herrold wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Akemi Yagi wrote:
>
>> I have been wondering on this subject.  Why not make the menu (info
>> and other options) available to people who do not have edit rights?
>
> dunno for sure -- preventing 'lowhanging fruit' automated webbish 
> spamming comes to mind

Ermm. That wouldn't allow editing.

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Review and maintenance of the JavaOnCentOS article.

[Ralph Angenendt]

Akemi Yagi wrote:
> I have been wondering on this subject.  Why not make the menu (info
> and other options) available to people who do not have edit rights?

Removing that was done on purpose to give the people who aren't
interested in editing "a cleaner wiki experience" (or something, ask
dag). 

=:)

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] ArtworkSIG ML request

[Ralph Angenendt]

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>>> I would like to request a mailinglist for the ArtworkSig, where we
>>> could discuss Artwork related stuff. This would be much better than
>>> 'flooding' the -docs.
>>
>> I think we should do that (especially as Artwork discussions are now shared
>> between docs and devel ...).
>
> Fine with me too.

So who raises his hand as second moderator/admin for that list?

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] ArtworkSIG ML request

[Ralph Angenendt]

Alan Bartlett wrote:
> On 24/09/2008, Ralph Angenendt
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> wrote:
> > > I would like to request a mailinglist for the ArtworkSig, where we
> > > could discuss Artwork related stuff. This would be much better than
> > > 'flooding' the -docs.
> >
> > I think we should do that (especially as Artwork discussions are now shared
> > between docs and devel ...).++
> 
> 
> Alan.

So that was a +1? >:D

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] ArtworkSIG ML request

[Ralph Angenendt]

Marcus Moeller wrote:
> Good Evening.
> 
> I would like to request a mailinglist for the ArtworkSig, where we
> could discuss Artwork related stuff. This would be much better than
> 'flooding' the -docs.

I think we should do that (especially as Artwork discussions are now shared
between docs and devel ...).

Ralph

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Re: [CentOS-docs] policy w.r.t Testing repo details on wiki articles

[Ralph Angenendt]

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> The problem here is that the testing repo should *not* be mentioned in  
> the wiki pages at all. I would even venture out to say a search / purge  
> should be carried out to remove that.
>
> I do plan on doing a rm -rf in the testing repo in the next few weeks,  
> so most of that content in the wiki would be redundant anyway if it  
> refers to specifics from the testing repo.
>
> Ralph, is that ok with you ?

We have content in there which needs to go somewhere else before that
(like the directory server or openjdk-1.6). Tim: Have you finished
moving^W^W^Wany idea where one could put that? Otherwise I'm behind that
idea.

*Or* we need to redefine the testing.repo.

> Suggestions / recommendations are welcome, as always. Eg. what might be  
> a better way to get some exposure to the testing repo in the wiki  
> without putting it in front of users-at-large.

I don't really think you can. Either we need to test stuff within qa,
which will not work because of the varietey of stuff in testing (there
are packages in testing I cannot even remotely test because I haven't
the faintest idea what they are), or we need to set up "personal" repos
for testing, for example a centos-dirserv.repo, so that people who are
interested can test stuff like that *before* it goes into
centosplus/extras. But you need large exposure (possibly from within the
community of a certain application) for testing packages.

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] New Wiki Entry - MRTG

[Ralph Angenendt]

Chris Naude wrote:
> I would like to write a simple guide to getting MRTG up and running on  
> CentOS 5. I was thinking the
> Tips and Tricks - Tools and Applications section would work well.
> My username on the wiki is ChrisNaude.

Sounds good.

Go ahead (you can create that page for yourself).

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Setting up an SSL secured Webserver

[Ralph Angenendt]

Mats Karlsson wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Ralph Angenendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Yes. Maybe this page should be extended a bit so it actually shows what
> > has to be *in* the keys (meaning the actual dialog from openssl), so
> > that you run with your *own* self signed certificate and not the one
> > from the package?
> 
> Who should do this?
> 
> I could help a bit since Im trying to straight out a Tomcat/Apache/SSL
> installation for the momment.

Did everybody else just jump a step back? >:)

We can do that together, you can do it yourself - whatever you like :)

But if you want to do it, I probably should give you access rights on
that page ...

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Samba

[Ralph Angenendt]

John wrote:
[something]

It would be great if you could compose your mails in a way so that a
recipient can see which parts of mail came from you and which ones came
from other people.

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Samba

[Ralph Angenendt]

prabhat kumar wrote:
> How do I do this?

Wrong list? centos-docs is for discussing CentOS documentation (like the
wiki or release notes), you should take that problem to the centos list.

See .

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Samba

[Ralph Angenendt]

Fabian Arrotin wrote:
> Hmm, let's coordinate first about Samba .. if there is *one* package  
> that can be configured in multiple ways to do the same thing, that's  
> surely samba  ;-)
> To be honnest, just writing a 'how to create a share on samba' wiki page  
> is not enough (my opinion) .. but explaining how to configure the  
> backend (old smbpasswd, newer tdbsam, or ldap when acting as a pdc), how  
> to integrate in existing Samba/Windows domain/AD , explaining Filesystem  
> ACLs . etc .. is duplicating the official howto ..
> Other thoughts on that ?

Having smacked myself rather often with a printout the official HowTo
collection (and that hurts!), I don't think that you really can do a
large wiki article on samba in general without writing (at least a
chapter of a) book.

Probably a series of smaller "Tips and Tricks" would be better here,
just like the rpm page.

So have a TipsAndTricks/Samba page and then have subpages off that,
maybe?

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Setting up an SSL secured Webserver

[Ralph Angenendt]

Manuel Wolfshant wrote:
> On 08/31/2008 07:11 PM, Mats Karlsson wrote:
>> I agree with Will.
>>
>> The page should be changed to reflect how it's done in 5.x or forked  
>> into two pages, "The 4.x way" and "The 5.x way".
>>
>Am I missing something here? mod_ssl contains the exact same code in  
> %post in both C4.6 and C5.2. And in both cases the generated [dummy]  
> certificate leaves the system in a ready-to-be-used (although not really  
> recommended) configuration.

Yes. Maybe this page should be extended a bit so it actually shows what
has to be *in* the keys (meaning the actual dialog from openssl), so
that you run with your *own* self signed certificate and not the one
from the package?

I actually like the openssl commands on that page (as a reference). But
yes, there should be some explanation of what they actually do.

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] potential wiki on encryption

[Ralph Angenendt]

Chris * wrote:
> Hello all,

Hello Chris!

> I have a couple of questions about the process of creating a wiki.
> 
> 1.  How does the peer-review process work?

You publish it on the wiki and we flame you after that >:)

No, you can publish it here while we all look over it or you can begin
editing on the wiki and people who are interested in it can review it
while you write.

> 2.  Is there a place to place an article being reviewed that can be
> modified while being reviewed but not necessarily available to the
> public?

You can edit it without it being linked from somewhere. But a search on
the wiki will still find unlinked articles.

> The reason that I ask the second question is because the posting in
> the forum is literally my first draft as I was going through the
> process.  I have found a couple of modifications that need to be made.
> The changes that I know should be made are:
> 
> 1.  The optional step of adding exclude=mkinitrd to /etc/yum.conf
> should be "exclude=mkinitrd nash" 2.  I switched up my disk device on
> some instructions to /dev/hda which should be /dev/sda for
> consistency.  3.  I think that the last 2 steps of extending the
> encrypted partition to the entire disk could be clearer.

One question: How would your article differ from 

?

I haven't read your forum post, yet.

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] potential wiki on encryption

[Ralph Angenendt]

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> One question: How would your article differ from 
> 
> <http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/EncryptedFilesystem>?
> 
> I haven't read your forum post, yet.

Okay, now I see it. Will Mr. Paul Heinlein (if he is still reading here)
please speak up?

I think it would be best to extend this article (if possible) and to
move it from TipsAndTricks to the HowTo section.

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Re: General translation questions

[Ralph Angenendt]

Nathanael Lee wrote:

> Hao XU wrote:
>> Thank you for your understanding.  So we are the Chinese translation
>> team of CentOS, aren't we? :-)
>
> Yes.Of course! I trid so hard to find someone to work together with
> Chinese

Great. Thank you very much, guys.

Give me a bit of time to institute that on the wiki, I'm at work at the
moment.

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Amavisd Howto

[Ralph Angenendt]

Will F. wrote:
> Please let me know how I may contribute.

As Ned already is okay with that, just add your stuff to that page - you
have write permissions on there now.

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] centos wiki doc in Chinese now start !

[Ralph Angenendt]

Nathanael Lee wrote:
> This page I have konwn.But this is for traditional Chinese most used
> in Taiwan province in China,not used in Mainland. I will do the work
> for Simple Chinese doc most use in mainland.

Hmmm. Is it possible to find some way which both groups can read without 
offending anyone?

Cheers,

Ralph

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Re: [CentOS-docs] page name change suggestion for wiki admin

[Ralph Angenendt]

Nathanael Lee wrote:
> This page for Chinese
>
> http://wiki.centos.org/Manuals/ReleaseNotes/CentOS5.2/Chinese
>
>
> It is better to name this page to traditional_Chinese. I will do
> the Simple_Chinese page for this one. These two different Chinese
> languages,traditional Chinese is used in Taiwan China and simple
> Chinese used in Mainland.

I'm not going to do that without asking Hao Xu. I have no idea if he is 
following this list, but I can and will ask him to join this discussion or at 
least to give his opinion about that.

But thank you for offering another translation of the release notes. I'll come 
back to you.

Cheers,

Ralph

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Re: [CentOS-docs] centos wiki doc in Chinese now start !

[Ralph Angenendt]

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Marcus Moeller wrote:
>> I think we need to make sure that at least another person is able to  
>> review your translations.
>
> While the "peer review for editorial and technical content" idea has  
> been floating around since early this year, we have'nt, within the  
> CentOS Project, actually implemented it.
>
> We can start another thread on that issue, depending on what / how Ralph  
> feels about this and where he thinks we are in terms of manpower  
> availability.

We are able to man an "editorial wiki team" which can monitor and review 
original (meaning english) articles, we are not able to review translations at 
the moment, at least not with non western european languages, afaics (we even 
had problems reviewing italian content). And even with western european 
languages, that doesn't really happen - although I'm not sure if the spanish 
translation still is a group effort as it was in the beginning.

Cheers,

Ralph

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Re: [CentOS-docs] SELinux

[Ralph Angenendt]

Ned Slider wrote:
> I don't see an obvious existing category to add it under.
>
> Any thoughts?

Open a Security subsection and also move the securing SSH page to there :)

IMO.

Ralph

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Re: [CentOS-docs] SELinux

[Ralph Angenendt]

Ned Slider wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> I've knocked up a contribution on SELinux here:
>
> http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/SELinux
>
> I've tried to pitch it as an introduction for those not already familiar  
> with SELinux but also hopefully a useful reference.

Great article. 

What maybe should be added to the article is the fact, that SELinux
doesn't need programs to be changed, meaning that programs do not (need
to) know about SELinux at all for it to work. So a SELinux denial just
looks like a normal "access denied" to any program.

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki -- Laptop/Acer/Aspire5570 contribution.

[Ralph Angenendt]

Marc Moreau wrote:
> I have already created a wiki account 'MarcMoreau'.   I neglected to include
> this username in the first email.

Go ahead. You should be able to create the page yourself.

Have fun,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki Centos contribute

[Ralph Angenendt]

benoit casse wrote:
> Good morning,
> 
> After using the Linux distribution mandriva and Debian since 2004 and made
> some modest contributions (translation), I would like to invest in the
> distribution CentOS, starting with the writing, translation and howto
> articles, and that my experiences on other distributions and problems would
> be an advantage.

Do you already have something special in mind to put on the wiki? Could
you share what you want to do with us (so I can give you access to the
right parts of the wiki)?

Cheers,

Ralph
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Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki -- Laptop/Acer/Aspire5570 contribution.

[Ralph Angenendt]

Marc Moreau wrote:
> I'd like to contribute to the wiki.   I have just installed CentOS on my
> laptop and I would like to contribute to the wiki in that regard.

You need a wiki account for that and I need to know the name of the wiki
account >:)

Please create one in the form of "FirstLast", so MarcMoreau would be a
good one ...

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] mod_ssl How To Submission

[Ralph Angenendt]

George Ornbo wrote:
> http://snipurl.com/37hl7

Looks good.

> If it useful to others I'd like to share this content on the Wiki under 
> How Tos > Miscellaneous. My username is GeorgeOrnbo.

You should be able to create



which I already linked to from the HowTo page (under the section
Webserver).

Cheers,

Ralph


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[CentOS-docs] 4.7!

[Ralph Angenendt]

Ooops,

we did it again ...

This release (4.7) has the first release notes on the wiki for a CentOS
4 release. And as always we could use some people to translate those :)

We didn't find that many problems within QA, so the release notes should
now be fairly complete, with limitied changes to them.

ISo if you are interested and willing (you are, aren't you?), this is
the place to edit:



Thanks in advance and cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Additional Notes on: AtiDriver

[Ralph Angenendt]

Marcus Moeller wrote:
> Dear Ralph.
> 
> I guess it was you who wrote the very helpful ATI driver tutorial
> page. I just wanted to add some additional notes:

Okay, I'm going to look into that later today or tomorrow. Thanks for
noticing.

Cheers,

Ralph
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Re: [CentOS-docs] Re: Create page about rebuilding SRPMS and preparing RPM environment

[Ralph Angenendt]

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Na. Let me create those two pages. This thread really has gone on too
> long. 

Done.

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Re: Create page about rebuilding SRPMS and preparing RPM environment

[Ralph Angenendt]

Filipe Brandenburger wrote:
> I'm sorry if I'm not answering all e-mails on this thread, I really
> thought this would be a simple issue and would not create a lengthy
> thread like this one.

So did I >:)

> Ok, if this is still the general opinion please let me know. I would
> rather work on the Wiki itself directly, since then it's easier to
> have others collaborate and the markup will be finished when the
> content is finished. If you wish, it could be in a "sandbox" and not
> directly on the definitive URL.

Na. Let me create those two pages. This thread really has gone on too
long. 

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Re: Create page about rebuilding SRPMS and preparing RPM environment

[Ralph Angenendt]

Alan Bartlett wrote:
> Ralph,
> 
> Do you normally respond in a bottom-up fashion?

No.

> On 21/07/2008, Ralph Angenendt
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> wrote:
> > Alan Bartlett wrote:
>>> Have you fully researched what currently is present in the WIki?
>>>
>> http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/YumAndRPM#head-d2b0e7b7f3943ba0f8d08f9cfa46e821ba74aff4
>>
>> Well, hints and tips for building rpms/rebuilding srpms are all over the
>> wiki,
> 
> Which is what I wanted to highlight by quoting that, above, as another
> example.

Yes. And now there is someone who wants to expand on that and make those
short snippets into a somewhat more elaborated page (at least that is
how I take the offer to rewrite those pages and/or create those pages). 

> but that is not what I call "well documented".

> I most certainly have not used the phrase "well documented". 

Your quoting makes it look like you did. But no, *I* used the phrase.

> Why do you put it in quotation marks in a response to me? 

This is a mailing list, would I have responded to you the list wouldn't
have gotten the mail. And your mail was the one I saw most fitting to
make that remark - which could have been into a response to another mail
also. And here in this case the quotation marks mark direct speech.

> All that does is imply (to a casual reader or one who does not bother
> to review everything in this conversational thread) that you are
> quoting my words - which you are not. As I have said before the
> English language is very precise if used correctly.  Problems will
> occur with its misuse.



>> A centralized point where anything else which needs explanations on
>> doing so can link to is something we are really missing (IMNSHO).
> 
> Your last sentence above, once the intended logic is extracted from
> it, is something I would agree with. Perhaps you will kindly expand on
> what it is you intend by the "not so" (NS) in the parenthesised
> IMNSHO?

We have many parts on the wiki where it would be wise to extract some
content and put it into it's own context or rather page. This is one of
the examples where it can be seen. 

Keeping something as central as rpm rebuilding in one place and link to
that will do the documentation on the wiki good. 

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Re: Create page about rebuilding SRPMS and preparing RPM environment

[Ralph Angenendt]

R P Herrold wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, Marcus Moeller wrote:
>
>> Dear Russ.
>
>>> I wonder what in the world, which is material, you think is ** not ** 
>>> covereed between the Ed Bailey, and the Eric Foster-Johnson, the 
>>> GuruLabs resources (each down those links).
>
>> I am speaking about the CentOS Wiki and nothing more. I think pages 
>> like the Yum and RPM page should cover aspects of handling both tools 
>> and the build process should be described on a seperate page and linked 
>> from there.
>
> My question stands unanswered:  'what in the world, which is material, 
> you think is ** not ** covered' presently?
>
> Adding yet another secondary source, frankly written by people who are 
> NOT and have not been active in the builder, nor the RPM communities, 
> does not add light.

Your opinion. Having stuff like that spluttered all over the wiki in
pages which clearly don't have anything to do with rpm building doesn't
help either.

> I don't see an improvement for the CentOS brand by simply increasing 
> quantity.

Centralized point of documentation.

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Re: Create page about rebuilding SRPMS and preparing RPM environment

[Ralph Angenendt]

Alan Bartlett wrote:
> On 18/07/2008, Filipe Brandenburger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Without trying to start another heated discussion, are we going to
> > create a specific page on creating a building infrastructure for RPMs
> > and on how to rebuild a SRPM? My original e-mail from last week
> > follows. Please let me know if you want me to contribute.
> >
> >
> Have you fully researched what currently is present in the WIki?
> http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/YumAndRPM#head-d2b0e7b7f3943ba0f8d08f9cfa46e821ba74aff4

Well, hints and tips for building rpms/rebuilding srpms are all over the
wiki, but that is not what I call "well documented". A centralized point
where anything else which needs explanations on doing so can link to is
something we are really missing (IMNSHO).

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Re: Create page about rebuilding SRPMS and preparing RPM environment

[Ralph Angenendt]

R P Herrold wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Marcus Moeller wrote:
>
>> I would personally welcome such a Documentation (if it's maintained,
>> of course) as I agree with you if you are saying that there is no
>> howto available covering nearly all aspects of the RPM build process.
>
> I wonder what in the world, which is material, you think is ** not ** 
> covereed between the Ed Bailey, and the Eric Foster-Johnson, the GuruLabs 
> resources (each down those links).
>
> I can (and did) rattle off the un-covered dark corners from years of 
> being in the space. When prompted on a new area of material interest, I 
> prepare a writeup, and link it in. And maintain it thereafter.

That's exactly what he wants to do, as that area is not really covered
on the wiki (yes, sure, the the stuff above has to be pointed to in that
article).

But other than you he does not want to put it somewhere and "link it
in", he wants to put it on the wiki so it can be found *there* if
someone skims through the link pages of the wiki (or does a search on
the wiki). I have no idea why people here think that that is the wrong
concept.

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Re: Create page about rebuilding SRPMS and preparing RPM environment

[Ralph Angenendt]

Alan Bartlett wrote:
> The second reference you have quoted actually details how to obtain the
> Kernel Sources and set up the build tree in a consistent fashion for
> subsequent usage (covered in two other articles).

And you cannot see the problem there? So it is already there - in three
different articles - and has to be changed *everywhere* if some small
aspect of rpm building changes.

Having to change that in *one* place and let all other places link to
that is a much cleaner approach.

>> Basically I think that pointers to the outside are not that good
>> because they not necessarily contain CentOS specific information.
> 
> 
> The main link that Akemi and I currently have in Kernel Sources and Custom
> Kernel is to the (maintained) CentOS specific Owl River page (
> http://www.owlriver.com/tips/non-root/). The other link, in the Custom
> Kernel article, (http://howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_centos/) is
> mentioned to strongly dissuade its use.

Still: People tend to go to the CentOS wiki for finding information (or
they are pointed to it). And I'd like to have information like that
available *in* the wiki where more than one person can change it should
the need arise.

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Access to Wiki Pages

[Ralph Angenendt]

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Eh, it should. But you are right (see the spanish pages, it works
> there).
> 
> Must be some configuration option in the plugin.

Yes. Now it does - try again >:)

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Access to Wiki Pages

[Ralph Angenendt]

Marcus Moeller wrote:
> Dear Ralph.
> 
> > You *need* to keep the original names. If our wiki finds a page in de/
> 
> That's how it did it actually.
> 
> > space (or es/ for what it's worth) and the page isn't there, it
> > automatically redirects to the english page.
> 
> I could not reproduce this behavior. E.g. if I open a not (yet)
> existing page like:
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/de/TipsAndTricks/ResizeExt3
> 
> it does not automatically redirect to the English one. Same if you
> link to a page like this.

Eh, it should. But you are right (see the spanish pages, it works
there).

Must be some configuration option in the plugin.

Let me look.

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Access to Wiki Pages

[Ralph Angenendt]

TAIRA Hajime wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Please grant me access to my personal page.

Done.

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Access to Wiki Pages

[Ralph Angenendt]

Marcus Moeller wrote:
> Dear Ralph.
> 
> > Go ahead: You have to create pages like that:
> >
> > http://wiki.centos.org/de/TipsAndTricks/FooBar?action=edit
> >
> > as you would be redirected to the english page automagically, otherwise.
> 
> Should I name the translated pages like the original ones, e.g.
> TipsAndTricks/CDtoDVDMedia or should I also translate the WikiPage
> name (to something like DVDmitCDMedienerstellen)?

You *need* to keep the original names. If our wiki finds a page in de/
space (or es/ for what it's worth) and the page isn't there, it
automatically redirects to the english page.

This gives you the possibility to completely translate link pages (like
de/TipsAndTricks) *including* relative links - and if the german page
isn't there, you'll get the english one.

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki: Table Border

[Ralph Angenendt]

Marcus Moeller wrote:
> Hi all.
> 
> Is there a way to create a table without a border in the wiki?
> 
> Btw. could anybody please tell me which software is used for the wiki?
> Is it a well-known system or something self-created?

I thought it says "MoinMoin" all over the place?

Cheers,

Ralph
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Re: [CentOS-docs] Access to Wiki Pages

[Ralph Angenendt]

Marcus Moeller wrote:
> It would be great if you could grant me access to some wiki pages. Starting
> off with my personal one: ;)
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/MarcusMoeller

Done.

> Also I want to start translating some parts into German, so it would be
> great if you could create a:
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/de/TipsAndTricks

Go ahead: You have to create pages like that:

http://wiki.centos.org/de/TipsAndTricks/FooBar?action=edit

as you would be redirected to the english page automagically, otherwise.

Have fun (I'll be watching over your translations) >:)

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Create page about rebuilding SRPMS and preparing RPM environment

[Ralph Angenendt]

Alan Bartlett wrote:
> On 11/07/2008, Ralph Angenendt
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> wrote:
> >
> > Alan Bartlett wrote:
> > > By all means refer to it but please do not modify it.
> >
> > Why?
> 
> Because a considerable amount of work has been put into maintaining the
> three inter-related pages (of which that is one) and they are currently
> maintained.

So? That shoudln't/doesn't keep others from improving those pages and
the wiki.

> > > Once those pages are done, the page on "building the kernel" may refer
> > > > to that one for the generic instructions on how to set up rpm building
> > > > environment.
> > >
> > > No.
> >
> > Again: Why?
> 
> Think about it, Ralph.

I did. It's a wiki. So anyone who wants to improve on a page is invited to
do so. Sure, if someone is maintaining that page those people should
work together. But I really did not expect a "No." without any
explanation here.

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Create page about rebuilding SRPMS and preparing RPM environment

[Ralph Angenendt]

R P Herrold wrote:
> I guess the question in my mind becomes multiplication and maintenance.

Well, the existing pages have rather short snippets on that issue. If
there were to be pages which explain the issues at hand in a more
verbose way, then one can edit out the snippets and link to the more
verbose pages. I think that this is a good idea to avoid multiplication.

> How is it a win to add yet more pages, rather than extend the existing 
> one; the whole topic of packag building -- as root, as an end user, in a 
> chroot, in a chroot with defined base packages, using one of the several 
> tools from mach, on ... ?

I think that extending stuff into own articles is a great way to reach
the goal you showed in your last sentence ...

IMHO at least.

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Create page about rebuilding SRPMS and preparing RPM environment

[Ralph Angenendt]

Alan Bartlett wrote:
> By all means refer to it but please do not modify it.

Why?

> > Once those pages are done, the page on "building the kernel" may refer
> > to that one for the generic instructions on how to set up rpm building
> > environment.
> 
> No.

Again: Why?

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] wiki access

[Ralph Angenendt]

Mikael Fridh wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> since I, just hours ago, followed
> http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/JavaOnCentOS (Sun's JDK) I thought I'd
> confirm and update the "A less simple approach" with information that's
> a bit newer than jdk 1.4.

Go ahead.

> Furthermore, I'd like to ask you if anyone know what was meant by the
> comment on the wiki:
> 
> > *This HowTo is not complete yet. There is a report that the following
> > part of this writeup is outdated in the IRC channel on 27 July 2007
> 
> outdated as in what? referencing 1.4? Because the procedure itself
> seems to work fine!

No idea, really >:)

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] article for consideration, Atheros 5007EG wireless card

[Ralph Angenendt]

Scott Robbins wrote:
> I was able to create a new empty page, but not able to create a page
> under Laptops/Wireless.  (I tried adding AR5007EG to
> http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Laptops/Wireless/  which took me to the
> expected empty page but got the message that I wasn't allowed to 
> edit the page.) 

I tend to forget how the recursive ACLs work (not as expected, mostly).

Try again.

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] article for consideration, Atheros 5007EG wireless card

[Ralph Angenendt]

Scott Robbins wrote:
> My thought is that it could go somewhere under 
> http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Laptops/Wireless

Seeing the quality of the stuff you already added to the wiki, I just
gave you access to everything under HowTos - so you should be able to
add that page yourself.

Ralph


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[CentOS-docs] Live-CD release notes ...

[Ralph Angenendt]

Hey,


is a little note from the Live CD creator about the Release Notes for
the Live CD. You all should be able to create pages under
http://wiki.centos.org/Manuals/ReleaseNotes/CentOSLiveCD5.2 (like
http://wiki.centos.org/Manuals/ReleaseNotes/CentOSLiveCD5.2/German).

So if you're in for another round of Release Note translations - have a
go at it >:)

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] CentOS LiveCD 5.2 release notes

[Ralph Angenendt]

Patrice Guay wrote:
> I created both English and French release notes pages for the upcoming CentOS 
> LiveCD
> 5.2:
>
> http://wiki.centos.org/Manuals/ReleaseNotes/CentOSLiveCD5.2
> http://wiki.centos.org/Manuals/ReleaseNotes/CentOSLiveCD5.2/French
>
>
> The content is quite similar to the one from the CentOS LiveCD 5.1 except for 
> these changes:
> - 5.1 -> 5.2
> - file information (filename, size, md5sum, sha1sum)
> - updated package versions
> - two known issues have been resolved (#3 and #5)
> - Network installation: adding link for text interface documentation
> - CentOS LiveCD project: adding entry for PXE in the list
>
> I hope this information will speed up the translator work.

Let me get it to the translators then ... >:)

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] add content request to vnc-server howto

[Ralph Angenendt]

PJ Welsh wrote:
> "pjwelsh" is the wiki account.

Go ahead. Sorry for not getting back to you sooner.

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Re: wiki contribution

[Ralph Angenendt]

John Dell wrote:
> Bah, forgot my wiki username: JohnDell

Sorry, I forgot you. You can now go ahead.

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] freeNX page additional note

[Ralph Angenendt]

Scott Robbins wrote:
> Assuming Ralph does give me temporary edit permission, should I put the
> problem and solution in, or simply put a link to the post?

There are no temporary edit permissions. You gave us your hand, so now
we take the complete body.

Go ahead,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Missing NSPluginWrapper.in ReleaseNotes for 5.2

[Ralph Angenendt]

Niels de Vos wrote:
> Well, looking for the string "NSPluginWrapper" and doing a text-search,  
> the only hit is the Japanese version of the Release Notes!? I don't  
> understand any of the text, but I interpret that the Japanese version of  
> CentOS-5.2 delivers nspluginwrapper as a new package... So, looking on  
> the FTP-server, this package seems to be available in os/x86_64, maybe  
> it should be listed in all release notes (arch specific)?

It is listed in all release notes (but: All other release note versions
have it as a link to the package manifest).

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Aide à la traduction

[Ralph Angenendt]

Aymeric DERBOIS wrote:
> Bonjour,
>
> J'ai un problème pour traduire "upstream provider" qui apparaît à de  
> multiples reprises. Je comprend bien ce que cela veut dire, mais je ne  
> voit pas comment le traduire.

For our non-french readers: He's looking for a french translation for
the term "upstream provider" >:)

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] To have an acces to the wiki

[Ralph Angenendt]

aymeric derbois wrote:
> I have send a message, but a i haven't give all information.
> 
> I would like to have access to the wiki /fr/* for translating articles from
> English to French.
> For begin, ia would like translating the FAQ
> 
> My username is AymericDerbois

Go ahead, you can edit under http://wiki.centos.org/fr/FAQ now. I'm
relying on the french readers here to proofread and give you hints and
tipps.

Thanks for stepping forward!

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Should the "Banner Files" Tips and Trix be visible from the menu ?

[Ralph Angenendt]

Mats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi,
> I didn't find the article about Banner files that I wrote a while ago  
> under the "Tips and Trix" menu on the wiki, is this right or hasn't it  
> been approved ?

 - that one? It
probably just was forgotten (by me at least) ...

> What can I do to get it out there ?

Tell me to link to it from the TipsAndTricks page :)

Will do in a moment. 

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] HOWTO VNC

[Ralph Angenendt]

glc wrote:
> Sorry.
> My user account is GeraldClark.

Go ahead, you may edit under the HowTo section.

Cheers,

Ralph


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[CentOS-docs] Re: Release Note Translation

[Ralph Angenendt]

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> > Hey, 
> > 
> > if you haven't started already, now would be a good time to begin
> > translating the release notes which are already on the wiki.
> 
> And now would be a good time finishing the translation, as we are slowly
> syncing the release to the mirrors >:)

Last round guys! There have been a few last minute changes yesterday >:)

After that it is over until CentOS 5.3 - although we'd like to do new
installation slides for the next update, so you probably hear from me a
bit earlier then.

Again: Thanks for all the time and the effort you put in there.

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] HOWTO VNC

[Ralph Angenendt]

glc wrote:
> I have agreed to write a HOWTO for VNC using service vncserver.

Please register an account on the wiki (FirstnameLastname) and tell us
what it is - you'll get access to the pages then.

Cheers,

Ralph


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