Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki Contribution access request

[Alan Bartlett]

On 2 May 2017 at 18:58, G.S.  wrote:
> Dear Sir/Madam
>
> I would be more than happy to contribute to WIKI by translating it to
> Russian language:
>
> I do not understand how I can start but I will try  by following this
> article: https://wiki.centos.org/Contribute
>
> GavriilSpiropoulos username
>
> the proposed subject of your Wiki contribution(s) : Translation from English
> to Russian
> the proposed location of your Wiki contribution(s)
> https://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/BackupPC
>
> If I did not send correct application, I would be happy if it is possible
> for you to help me
>
> Thanks
> Best Regards
> Gabriel

Hello Gabriel,

Thank you for offering to help with the translation, it is appreciated.

A Wiki HomePage has been initialised for you [1] and I have now given
you edit access to all of the Russian pages, beginning with
https://wiki.centos.org/ru/FrontPage and all below.

Alan.

[1] https://wiki.centos.org/GavriilSpiropoulos
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[CentOS-docs] Wiki Contribution access request

[G.S.]

Dear Sir/Madam

I would be more than happy to contribute to WIKI by translating it to
Russian language:

I do not understand how I can start but I will try  by following this
article: https://wiki.centos.org/Contribute


   -

   GavriilSpiropoulos username
   - the proposed subject of your Wiki contribution(s) : Translation from
   English to Russian
   - the proposed location of your Wiki contribution(s)
   https://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/BackupPC

If I did not send correct application, I would be happy if it is possible
for you to help me

Thanks
Best Regards
Gabriel
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Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki contribution access request

[Alan Bartlett]

On 27 April 2017 at 10:19, Jan Staněk  wrote:
>
> Awesome, thanks for the quick response :)
> --
> Jan Staněk
> Associate Software Engineer, Brno
> Red Hat Czech
> jsta...@redhat.comIM: jstanek

You are welcome.

Alan.
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Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki contribution access request

[Jan Staněk]

Dne 26.4.2017 v 16:42 Alan Bartlett napsal(a):
> On 26 April 2017 at 12:18, Jan Staněk  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I would like to ask for wiki.centos.org contribution access.
>>
>> Username: JanStanek
>> Contribution location: SpecialInterestGroup/SCLo
>> Constribution subject(s): Polishing How-to wording
>>
>> I would also like to request a personal contact information wiki page.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Jan
>> --
>> Jan Staněk
>> Associate Software Engineer, Brno
>> Red Hat Czech
>> jsta...@redhat.comIM: jstanek
> 
> A CentOS wiki home page has been initialised for you.
> 
> You now have edit access of the
> https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/SCLo page, along with any
> sub-pages.
> 
> Alan.

Awesome, thanks for the quick response :)
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Red Hat Czech
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Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki contribution access request

[Alan Bartlett]

On 26 April 2017 at 12:18, Jan Staněk  wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I would like to ask for wiki.centos.org contribution access.
>
> Username: JanStanek
> Contribution location: SpecialInterestGroup/SCLo
> Constribution subject(s): Polishing How-to wording
>
> I would also like to request a personal contact information wiki page.
>
> Best regards,
> Jan
> --
> Jan Staněk
> Associate Software Engineer, Brno
> Red Hat Czech
> jsta...@redhat.comIM: jstanek

A CentOS wiki home page has been initialised for you.

You now have edit access of the
https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/SCLo page, along with any
sub-pages.

Alan.
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[CentOS-docs] Wiki contribution access request

[Jan Staněk]

Hi,
I would like to ask for wiki.centos.org contribution access.

Username: JanStanek
Contribution location: SpecialInterestGroup/SCLo
Constribution subject(s): Polishing How-to wording

I would also like to request a personal contact information wiki page.

Best regards,
Jan
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Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki Contribution Request

[Christopher Meng]

BTW, Fedora's how to create an rpm package is a good resource.
在 2013-2-27 AM2:39，"Ben Hosmer" 写道：

> Username: BenHosmer
> Title: Building an RPM from Scratch
> Placement: http://wiki.centos.org/PackageManagement/Rpm
>
> I went through the process of building and documenting how to build an RPM
> from scratch using node.js as an example.
>
> I'd like to contribute this guide back to the wiki please.
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[Ben Hosmer]

Username: BenHosmer
Title: Building an RPM from Scratch
Placement: http://wiki.centos.org/PackageManagement/Rpm

I went through the process of building and documenting how to build an RPM
from scratch using node.js as an example.

I'd like to contribute this guide back to the wiki please.
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Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki Contribution on installation Centos on laptop

[Ralph Angenendt]

On 01.02.2013 06:37, TANZILUR RAHMAN wrote:
> Name : Tanzilur Rahman
> Proposal : Installation of Centos 6.3 on Dell latitude E5420
> Location : http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Laptops/Dell/Latitude-E5420

Your wiki account is TanzilurRahman?

Cheers,

Ralph

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[TANZILUR RAHMAN]

Name : Tanzilur Rahman
Proposal : Installation of Centos 6.3 on Dell latitude E5420
Location : http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Laptops/Dell/Latitude-E5420


Thank You
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Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki contribution

[Patrice Guay]

Marcus Moeller wrote:
> A few general notes:
>
> * selinux can now be enforcing
>
> * Why are these packages suggested to be installed:
>
> oracle-instantclient-jdbc-10.2.0.4-1.*.rpm
> oracle-instantclient-devel-10.2.0.4-1.*.rpm
>
> * The notes about oracle_env.sh, ld.so.conf.d and tomcat 5 on x86_64
> systems do not seem to be valid anymore.
>
> * As you have defined:
>
> 'Cobbler requires tftp and xinetd services be turned on for PXE
> provisioning functionality. Enable these services (y/n, default =
> 'y')?y'
>
> during spacewalk-setup, it is not necessary to enable TFTP manually
>
> * It is also not necessary to install osa-dispatcher manually, as it's
> already there.
>
I updated the documentation after testing a clean installation of 
Spacewalk 0.8. Thanks for your feedback Marcus.

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Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki contribution

[Marcus Moeller]

Dear Hugo.

First thanks for the update.

>> * Why are these packages suggested to be installed:
>>
>> oracle-instantclient-jdbc-10.2.0.4-1.*.rpm
>> oracle-instantclient-devel-10.2.0.4-1.*.rpm
>>
>
> You are right. I confirmed that these packages aren't required.
>
>> * The notes about oracle_env.sh, ld.so.conf.d and tomcat 5 on x86_64
>> systems do not seem to be valid anymore.

Maybe 'not valid anymore' where the wrong words :)

In usual it is not necessary nor recommended to set these.

> Could not confirm this. Can someone confirm?

Please take a look at:

https://fedorahosted.org/spacewalk/wiki/OracleXeSetup

This has also been discussed on the spacewalk-list:

http://www.mail-archive.com/spacewalk-l...@redhat.com/msg02697.html

Best Regards
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Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki contribution

[Hugo Doria]

Hi,

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Marcus Moeller  wrote:
> * Why are these packages suggested to be installed:
>
> oracle-instantclient-jdbc-10.2.0.4-1.*.rpm
> oracle-instantclient-devel-10.2.0.4-1.*.rpm
>

You are right. I confirmed that these packages aren't required.

> * The notes about oracle_env.sh, ld.so.conf.d and tomcat 5 on x86_64
> systems do not seem to be valid anymore.

Could not confirm this. Can someone confirm?

>
> * Why are you adding a 'Spacewalk for i386' channel? Do you plan do
> deploy Spacewalk from itself?

Changed to 'Spacewalk Client for i386' channel.

Algo, i updated the guide to Spacewalk 0.8. :-)

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Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki contribution

[Marcus Moeller]

Hi Patrice,

> Let me know if you find something else.

A few general notes:

* selinux can now be enforcing

* Why are these packages suggested to be installed:

oracle-instantclient-jdbc-10.2.0.4-1.*.rpm
oracle-instantclient-devel-10.2.0.4-1.*.rpm

* The notes about oracle_env.sh, ld.so.conf.d and tomcat 5 on x86_64
systems do not seem to be valid anymore.

* Why are you adding a 'Spacewalk for i386' channel? Do you plan do
deploy Spacewalk from itself?

* As you have defined:

'Cobbler requires tftp and xinetd services be turned on for PXE
provisioning functionality. Enable these services (y/n, default =
'y')?y'

during spacewalk-setup, it is not necessary to enable TFTP manually

* It is also not necessary to install osa-dispatcher manually, as it's
already there.

Best Regards
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Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki contribution

[Hugo Doria]

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Patrice Guay
 wrote:
> Here are some modifications that are required since the spacewalk yum
> repository split between server-side and client-side packages:
>
> Section 7.2: Channel configuration
> - add a configuration example "spacewalk-client for i386"

Done!

>
> Section 9.3: Create a new kickstart profile
> - replace the "spacewalk-i386" string by "spacewalk-client-i386"

Done!

>
>
> Grammar review:
>
> Section 11.2:
> TIP: You can force Spacewalk to recognize the OSA status of a client. To do
> this, go to the web interface and browse to the host overview page of the
> client. On the right side of the page, you will see a section displaying the
> OSA status of the client. Sending a ping to the client will update its
> status to 'online'.

Done!

Let me know if you find something else.

Thanks again.

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Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki contribution

[Patrice Guay]

Hugo Doria wrote:

Hi guys,

Thank you for your support. :-)
I made the changes (for Spacewalk 0.7) and added two new sections to the page:

* Using Spacewalk to manage configuration files
* OSAD Setup (Running updates instantly)

Could someone review my English (i am brazilian #)?


Here are some modifications that are required since the spacewalk yum 
repository split between server-side and client-side packages:


Section 7.2: Channel configuration
- add a configuration example "spacewalk-client for i386"

Section 9.3: Create a new kickstart profile
- replace the "spacewalk-i386" string by "spacewalk-client-i386"


Grammar review:

Section 11.2:
*TIP:* You can force Spacewalk to recognize the OSA status of a client. 
To do this, go to the web interface and browse to the host overview page 
of the client. On the right side of the page, you will see a section 
displaying the OSA status of the client. Sending a ping to the client 
will update its status to 'online'.



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Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki contribution

[Hugo Doria]

Hi guys,

Thank you for your support. :-)
I made the changes (for Spacewalk 0.7) and added two new sections to the page:

* Using Spacewalk to manage configuration files
* OSAD Setup (Running updates instantly)

Could someone review my English (i am brazilian #)?

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Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki contribution

[Alan Bartlett]

On 7 February 2010 09:33, Ralph Angenendt  wrote:

>> If you would like me to do this sort of task in the future, as implied
>> in [1], perhaps you will please adjust my powers accordingly. :-)
>
> Okay. I was under the impression that people in the EditGroup are
> allowed to at least edit ACLs - this does not seem to be the case. As
> there are a few pages on the wiki with closed access to just a few
> people, I cannot really elevate you to the next higher group - nothing
> personal, I wouldn't elevate others either. Looks like I need to feel
> wanted until we can cough up another solution (or enable EditGroup to
> edit ACLs it has read access to). Some delving into the ACL model of
> moin is needed, it *should* be able to do that.

No problems, it's understood Ralph.

As it's Fosdem weekend, I wasn't sure if you were about -- hence my
attempt to assist.

Regards,
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Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki contribution

[Ralph Angenendt]

Hi,

> Do you recall at the tail end of last year you said "Go ahead, it's
> there (hey, other people here also *could* do this) =:)" and I
> replied, in response to your parenthesised comment,  "We like to make
> *you* feel wanted! :-P" [1]?

Hehe.

> As a result of that exchange, I attempted to set the acl on the
> spacewalk page to allow Hugo to edit it. Unfortunately I am not
> allowed to adjust the acl -- so it's back to you.
>
> If you would like me to do this sort of task in the future, as implied
> in [1], perhaps you will please adjust my powers accordingly. :-)

Okay. I was under the impression that people in the EditGroup are
allowed to at least edit ACLs - this does not seem to be the case. As
there are a few pages on the wiki with closed access to just a few
people, I cannot really elevate you to the next higher group - nothing
personal, I wouldn't elevate others either. Looks like I need to feel
wanted until we can cough up another solution (or enable EditGroup to
edit ACLs it has read access to). Some delving into the ACL model of
moin is needed, it *should* be able to do that.

Thanks anyway,

Ralph
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Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki contribution

[Ralph Angenendt]

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Hugo Doria  wrote:
> Thanks for your support. You did a great job on that page and i will
> do my best to keep it as good as it is. I just need some permissions
> on the wiki.

You can go ahead now.

Cheers,

Ralphj
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Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki contribution

[Alan Bartlett]

On 5 February 2010 19:57, Hugo Doria  wrote:

> Thanks for your support. You did a great job on that page and i will
> do my best to keep it as good as it is. I just need some permissions
> on the wiki.
>
> -- Hugo Doria

Ralph,

Do you recall at the tail end of last year you said "Go ahead, it's
there (hey, other people here also *could* do this) =:)" and I
replied, in response to your parenthesised comment,  "We like to make
*you* feel wanted! :-P" [1]?

As a result of that exchange, I attempted to set the acl on the
spacewalk page to allow Hugo to edit it. Unfortunately I am not
allowed to adjust the acl -- so it's back to you.

If you would like me to do this sort of task in the future, as implied
in [1], perhaps you will please adjust my powers accordingly. :-)

Alan.

[1] http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-docs/2009-December/003764.html
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Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki contribution

[Hugo Doria]

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Patrice Guay
 wrote:
> Hi Hugo,
>
> as the original author of the Spacewalk documentation for CentOS,
> updating the documentation for Spacewalk 0.7 was on my list of things to
> do. However, I am quite busy these days and I didn't have the time to do
> it. Please go ahead and update the documentation. I will gladly review
> the result.

Hi Patrice,

Thanks for your support. You did a great job on that page and i will
do my best to keep it as good as it is. I just need some permissions
on the wiki.

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Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki contribution

[Patrice Guay]

Hugo Doria wrote:
> I want to update and add some content to this page:
> http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/PackageManagement/Spacewalk
>
> The page have instructions for Spacewalk 0.6, but there's a newer
> version (0.7) and some changes are needed. I already updated my
> spacewalk install and would like to contribute with the wiki page.
>

Hi Hugo,

as the original author of the Spacewalk documentation for CentOS, 
updating the documentation for Spacewalk 0.7 was on my list of things to 
do. However, I am quite busy these days and I didn't have the time to do 
it. Please go ahead and update the documentation. I will gladly review 
the result.

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[Hugo Doria]

Hi guys,

I want to update and add some content to this page:
http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/PackageManagement/Spacewalk

The page have instructions for Spacewalk 0.6, but there's a newer
version (0.7) and some changes are needed. I already updated my
spacewalk install and would like to contribute with the wiki page.

More information about spacewalk can be found here:
https://fedorahosted.org/spacewalk/

My wiki name is "HugoDoria" and you can find more information about me here:

* http://hugodoria.org (pt-br)
* http://blog.hugodoria.org (pt-br)
* http://www.archlinux.org/developers/#HugoD (english)

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Re: [CentOS-docs] wiki contribution

[Ned Slider]

On 01/15/2010 03:32 AM, R P Herrold wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jan 2010, Ned Slider wrote:
>
>> Again, I would reiterate Ralph's request for you to use plain English[1]
>> when communicating with this list, especially considering that it's a
>> documentation list.
>
> Shall I use crayons as well, to make the pictures easier for
> you?  Words of not more than two syllables?
>
> No -- I will not kowtow to the shallow end of the gene pool.
> Pick your fights elsewhere.
>

Not picking a fight Russ, just reiterating Ralph's concern that many 
people have absolutely no idea what you are on about in many of your 
postings (not just to this list). It's not about kowtowing to some 
perceived lesser intelligence, but rather about getting your point 
across in a clear and concise fashion, as you have clearly demonstrated 
above you do have the ability to do. Wrapping your point in cleverly 
constructed prose to the point where it gets lost in translation doesn't 
really achieve anything.



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Re: [CentOS-docs] wiki contribution

[Geerd-Dietger Hoffmann]

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 4:42 AM, Jerry Amundson  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Ned Slider  wrote:
> >> hey -- I did 'highlight' the hard term, after all ;)
> >>
> >> Axes -- pl. of axis -- a collection of vectors of classification.
> >>
> >
> > Axes -- pl. of axe -- a tool used to chop (traditionally wood) into
> > smaller pieces.
> >
> > As a native English speaker, I assumed you were metaphorically going to
> > take an axe to the page and chop it up.
>
> Really? As a "native English speaker" myself, I *really* leaned
> towards the "vector" option when I first encountered this thread. ..

It's not really about that. I would think that there are more non
native Speakers on this list and they had to make an effort to learn
English and it is frankly rude to them to deliberately make their
lives hard. Why would you not write something that is easy to read and
understand. But this is a problem I have noticed in many groups (not
only IT) that some people who are not as fluent in English are seen as
"genetically less fit" by some "special" people.

Cheers Didi

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Re: [CentOS-docs] wiki contribution

[Jerry Amundson]

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Ned Slider  wrote:
> As this thread is alive again...

Ditto. [please read through completely before passing judgement.:-)]

> On 11/30/2009 11:35 PM, R P Herrold wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>>
>>> Am 30.11.09 22:49, schrieb R P Herrold:
>>
 I was considering 'axes' to refactor it along over the
 weekend
>>
>>> Please do consider "plain English" too, while doing so, as I have no
>>> idea what you mean by what you wrote in your last sentence>:)
>>
>> hey -- I did 'highlight' the hard term, after all ;)
>>
>> Axes -- pl. of axis -- a collection of vectors of classification.
>>
>
> Axes -- pl. of axe -- a tool used to chop (traditionally wood) into
> smaller pieces.
>
> As a native English speaker, I assumed you were metaphorically going to
> take an axe to the page and chop it up.

Really? As a "native English speaker" myself, I *really* leaned
towards the "vector" option when I first encountered this thread. Then
again, I had to wield an *actual* axe often during my teenage years to
gather firewood, clear paths for navigation purposes, etc. So, perhaps
I'm a wee bit biased... :-)

>> yes -- I really did think thru the problem (and many other
>> tecnical matter problems) just that way. ;)
>>
>> -- Russ herrold
>
> Again, I would reiterate Ralph's request for you to use plain English[1]
> when communitcating with this list, especially considering that it's a
> documentation list.

Just another nit-pick - the English-speakers spell-checker didn't pick
up the "communitcating" typo?? :-)

> [1] http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/

Great site - my search for "axes" resulted in eight (8) misspellings
of "taxes", and my "axis"
search was irrelevant. :-)

In conclusion - I had to respond because,
1. I found today's post from Russ to be pure genius. I still laugh.
2. This is, as you state, "a documentation list."

Really sorry if I offended... but this gave me a laugh today, and I needed It.
If we ever meet up, I owe you a pint, or whatever, as thanks...

jerry
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[R P Herrold]

On Thu, 14 Jan 2010, Ned Slider wrote:

> Again, I would reiterate Ralph's request for you to use plain English[1]
> when communitcating with this list, especially considering that it's a
> documentation list.

Shall I use crayons as well, to make the pictures easier for 
you?  Words of not more than two syllables?

No -- I will not kowtow to the shallow end of the gene pool. 
Pick your fights elsewhere.

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Re: [CentOS-docs] wiki contribution

[Ned Slider]

As this thread is alive again...

On 11/30/2009 11:35 PM, R P Herrold wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>
>> Am 30.11.09 22:49, schrieb R P Herrold:
>
>>> I was considering 'axes' to refactor it along over the
>>> weekend
>
>> Please do consider "plain English" too, while doing so, as I have no
>> idea what you mean by what you wrote in your last sentence>:)
>
> hey -- I did 'highlight' the hard term, after all ;)
>
> Axes -- pl. of axis -- a collection of vectors of classification.
>

Axes -- pl. of axe -- a tool used to chop (traditionally wood) into 
smaller pieces.

As a native English speaker, I assumed you were metaphorically going to 
take an axe to the page and chop it up.

> Here a series of partitions of the Repositories page refactor
> problemspace, which I will use to carve it up into a more
> intelligible (and one hopes, more useful) taxonomy
>
> yes -- I really did think thru the problem (and many other
> tecnical matter problems) just that way. ;)
>
> -- Russ herrold

Again, I would reiterate Ralph's request for you to use plain English[1] 
when communitcating with this list, especially considering that it's a 
documentation list.

[1] http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/

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[Phil Schaffner]

Joshua Daniel Franklin wrote on 11/20/2009 04:47 PM:
> Hello,
> 
> I created a wiki username JoshuaFranklin and would like to
> contribute a description of http://iuscommunity.org/ to this
> page:
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories
> 
> IUS is a new third party repo for RHEL that provides the
> "latest upstream versions of PHP, Python, MySQL". It is
> sponsored by internal work at Rackspace (but officially
> unsupported).
> 
> Thanks,
> Joshua

I added this to the Wiki page, with cautions, and subject of course to 
being factored out if found to be orthogonal to Russ' axes. :-)

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[R P Herrold]

On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Ralph Angenendt wrote:

> Am 30.11.09 22:49, schrieb R P Herrold:

>> I was considering 'axes' to refactor it along over the 
>> weekend

> Please do consider "plain English" too, while doing so, as I have no
> idea what you mean by what you wrote in your last sentence >:)

hey -- I did 'highlight' the hard term, after all ;)

Axes -- pl. of axis -- a collection of vectors of classification.

Here a series of partitions of the Repositories page refactor 
problemspace, which I will use to carve it up into a more 
intelligible (and one hopes, more useful) taxonomy

yes -- I really did think thru the problem (and many other 
tecnical matter problems) just that way. ;)

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[BJ Dierkes]

Hello all,  sorry if this gets posted twice... I didn't see it post so I joined 
the list to participate in the thread.  I am the primary creator and core 
developer of the IUS Community Project.  Forgive me if this is sloppy but there 
was a lot I wanted to comment on regarding this thread.  


On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 07:24:28PM +0100, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> With a big fat warning sign? Have you already tested things in there?

There are significant warnings about using IUS from our FAQ:

http://iuscommunity.org/faq/


We try to make it very clear that IUS has a very specific audience and is not 
for everyone.


On 11/25/2009 11:45 PM, John R. Dennison wrote:
>>> With a big fat warning sign? Have you already tested things in there?
>> 
>> There are a number of #centos regulars that are using the
>> IUS packages and I've yet to hear of any complaints with
>> them.

> Thats just noise. There are a lot of people who do source builds as 
> well, and we strongly discourage people from using that process.

I kind of lost track of the significance in this statement.  IUS has nothing to 
do with source installs.  IUS actually is partially geared towards providing 
proper packagers for users that would otherwise be doing source installs to get 
the latest versions of software.


> My question is - why did they not consider actually doing this with the 
> project or even talking to anyone within the communities.

Consider what exactly?  I assume you mean requesting that our repos be added to 
the CentOS wiki?  If that is what you mean, there isn't any reason in 
particular.  We have had other users suggest that we look into it... and 
frankly, I had planned on it however you have to note that I am the only IUS 
Core Developer at this time and have to prioritize my work.


> Rackspace are the typical leecher commercial vendors feeding off the 
> CentOS pool, with little or not desire to even consider contributing any 
> level of effort or time back into the project. To me, thats a big deal.

I don't exactly follow what you're so hostile about.  If you read the content 
on our site it is very clear that we have a very specific audience and that is 
people who absolutely need the latest upstream versions of software for RHEL.  
How are we feeding off of the CentOS pool by providing alternative software 
that just so happens to work on CentOS (we package for RHEL specifically)?  If 
you read the site, you will also see that IUS is not a service or product of 
Rackspace... it is simply sponsored by Rackspace meaning that they allow me to 
give something back to the community, for free, during my $dayjob.  How does 
that equate to Rackspace leeching off CentOS?


> Also, what is it that the 
> IUS repo does that isnt available on the other regular 
> non-commercially-backed repositories ?

It seems that you didn't spend much time looking into our project at all before 
making assumptions about it per the comments above.  If you are really 
interested at all in what IUS is you should take the time to check it out 
before raising negative opinions about it.

http://iuscommunity.org
http://wiki.iuscommunity.org
http://launchpad.net/ius


Am 30.11.09 20:05, schrieb Joshua Daniel Franklin:
> They definitely provide packages from a different philosophy. For
> example, they're providing mysql50 and mysql51 that can install
> alongside stock mysql instead of replacing it.

Actually, I need to correct you here Josh.  Packages are either 
Conflict/Replace or Parallel packages.  Everything in IUS conflicts and 
replaces (Provides) the associated package in RHEL except for Python which 
is a parallel installable package.  We've attempted to explain this at:

http://wiki.iuscommunity.org/Doc/ClientUsageGuide#Information_on_IUS_Packages


> What are they doing in regard to python? Install alongside? Break the
> python on the machine (I'm not really inclined to test that at the
> moment)? What's with php (oh my god, another php-current source)?

As mentioned above, Python is a parallel install package.  We have python26 and 
python31 available.  We also provide python26-setuptools, and 
python31-distribute so users can easy_install to the proper site-packages 
directories for that version of Python.  We did this _explicitly_ to give users 
a proper path to upgrade python and _not_ break system python.

For the record, [a big] part of our work with IUS is contributing back to the 
upstream vendors who are ultimately our closest 'partner' with regards to our 
goals.  We offer any and all contributions to the communities that we can, 
whether it be to upstream vendors... or Fedora, EPEL, RHEL via our TAM, or 
CentOS.  Please don't generalize us with the rest of the 'commercial leechers' 
out there unless you fully research what you're talking about.

Thanks Josh for bringing this up with the CentOS community, and thank you all 
for your time.  I'm not on this list, so please be sure to CC me if you wish to 
continue the thre

Re: [CentOS-docs] wiki contribution

[Ralph Angenendt]

Am 30.11.09 22:49, schrieb R P Herrold:
> I had noted, perhaps before you joined the list, that this 
> page has gotten too long, and has at best an 'ad hoc' 
> organization to it.  I was considering 'axes' to refactor it 
> along over the weekend

Please do consider "plain English" too, while doing so, as I have no
idea what you mean by what you wrote in your last sentence >:)

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[R P Herrold]

>> Joshua Daniel Franklin
>> In any case, can I be approved for the wiki and add my personal
>> page? I won't edit the AdditionalResources/Repositories unless
>> there's some sort of consensus.

I had noted, perhaps before you joined the list, that this 
page has gotten too long, and has at best an 'ad hoc' 
organization to it.  I was considering 'axes' to refactor it 
along over the weekend

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[Kevin Lord]

Rackspace is not a typical leecher commercial vendor feeding off the CentOS
pool.  At least in the Managed Linux hosting segment it's 99% RHEL with
other OS's installed as a one-off.

Slicehost and Rackspace Cloud do offer CentOS as an option among others
distros, but labeling Rackspace as a company that feeds off of the Cent OS
pool is misinformed at best.

Full disclosure: I do work at Rackspace as a Linux Admin, but am not
speaking on behalf of the company in any way.  My views are my own.

--
Kevin Lord

> On 11/25/2009 11:45 PM, John R. Dennison wrote:
> >>* With a big fat warning sign? Have you already tested things in there?*>*  
> >>*>* There are a number of #centos regulars that are using the*>*IUS 
> >>packages and I've yet to hear of any complaints with*>* them.*
> Thats just noise. There are a lot of people who do source builds as
> well, and we strongly discourage people from using that process.
>
> My question is - why did they not consider actually doing this with the
> project or even talking to anyone within the communities.
>
> Rackspace are the typical leecher commercial vendors feeding off the
> CentOS pool, with little or not desire to even consider contributing any
> level of effort or time back into the project. To me, thats a big deal.
>
> I'm voting for not listing them on the wiki. Also, what is it that the
> IUS repo does that isnt available on the other regular
> non-commercially-backed repositories ?
>
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[Joshua Daniel Franklin]

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> What are they doing in regard to python? Install alongside? Break the
> python on the machine (I'm not really inclined to test that at the
> moment)? What's with php (oh my god, another php-current source)?
>
> If that is what makes this special (meaning installs alongside things
> from CentOS), then a longer document about the repo would be needed, as
> to what can happen - or won't - when you have 2 pythons on the machine, etc.

Honestly its intended for professionals. If you have no idea what you're
doing you probably should not be using 3rd party repos at all. By the
way a lot of these questions are answered on the website, for example at:
http://iuscommunity.org/faq/

I'm also sending an email to their mailing list so maybe you can have
some "official" replies.

>> In any case, can I be approved for the wiki and add my personal
>> page? I won't edit the AdditionalResources/Repositories unless
>> there's some sort of consensus.
>
> Yeah, sure. Done.

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[Geerd-Dietger Hoffmann]

> If that is what makes this special (meaning installs alongside things
> from CentOS), then a longer document about the repo would be needed, as
> to what can happen - or won't - when you have 2 pythons on the machine, etc.

I think there was a film around that topic called SOAP [1]
I recall that the machine was an airplane.
And you see what happens when you have too many pythons on one
machine. Everyone just dies :)

Cheers Didi

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[Ralph Angenendt]

Am 30.11.09 20:05, schrieb Joshua Daniel Franklin:
> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 2:56 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> Rackspace are the typical leecher commercial vendors feeding off the
>> CentOS pool, with little or not desire to even consider contributing any
>> level of effort or time back into the project. To me, thats a big deal.
>>
>> I'm voting for not listing them on the wiki. Also, what is it that the
>> IUS repo does that isnt available on the other regular
>> non-commercially-backed repositories ?
> 
> They definitely provide packages from a different philosophy. For
> example, they're providing mysql50 and mysql51 that can install
> alongside stock mysql instead of replacing it.

What are they doing in regard to python? Install alongside? Break the
python on the machine (I'm not really inclined to test that at the
moment)? What's with php (oh my god, another php-current source)?

If that is what makes this special (meaning installs alongside things
from CentOS), then a longer document about the repo would be needed, as
to what can happen - or won't - when you have 2 pythons on the machine, etc.

> In any case, can I be approved for the wiki and add my personal
> page? I won't edit the AdditionalResources/Repositories unless
> there's some sort of consensus.

Yeah, sure. Done.

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[Joshua Daniel Franklin]

On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 2:56 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Rackspace are the typical leecher commercial vendors feeding off the
> CentOS pool, with little or not desire to even consider contributing any
> level of effort or time back into the project. To me, thats a big deal.
>
> I'm voting for not listing them on the wiki. Also, what is it that the
> IUS repo does that isnt available on the other regular
> non-commercially-backed repositories ?

Uh, that's up to you I guess. But I'd like to point out that there is already
a big warning on the 3rd party repos page:
http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories#head-0798a0dfd0a3655f5d97e087cb7cbc49e1498469
Also, despite testing some of those have been broken in the past. In my
limited usage I have not yet seen IUS break.

They definitely provide packages from a different philosophy. For
example, they're providing mysql50 and mysql51 that can install
alongside stock mysql instead of replacing it.

Also, to clarify I am not involved in the project (only a user).
They've apparently been providing it to Rackspace customers
for a few years and just opened it up to the public. You're welcome to
invite them to join CentOS Plus or something if you feel strongly
about it.

In any case, can I be approved for the wiki and add my personal
page? I won't edit the AdditionalResources/Repositories unless
there's some sort of consensus.
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[Karanbir Singh]

On 11/25/2009 11:45 PM, John R. Dennison wrote:
>> With a big fat warning sign? Have you already tested things in there?
>   
>   There are a number of #centos regulars that are using the
>   IUS packages and I've yet to hear of any complaints with
>   them.

Thats just noise. There are a lot of people who do source builds as 
well, and we strongly discourage people from using that process.

My question is - why did they not consider actually doing this with the 
project or even talking to anyone within the communities.

Rackspace are the typical leecher commercial vendors feeding off the 
CentOS pool, with little or not desire to even consider contributing any 
level of effort or time back into the project. To me, thats a big deal.

I'm voting for not listing them on the wiki. Also, what is it that the 
IUS repo does that isnt available on the other regular 
non-commercially-backed repositories ?

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Re: [CentOS-docs] wiki contribution

[John R. Dennison]

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 07:24:28PM +0100, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> 
> With a big fat warning sign? Have you already tested things in there?

There are a number of #centos regulars that are using the
IUS packages and I've yet to hear of any complaints with
them.

Just an additional datapoint.




John

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Q: What was it called?
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Re: [CentOS-docs] wiki contribution

[Ralph Angenendt]

Am 20.11.09 22:47, schrieb Joshua Daniel Franklin:
> http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories
> 
> IUS is a new third party repo for RHEL that provides the
> "latest upstream versions of PHP, Python, MySQL". It is
> sponsored by internal work at Rackspace (but officially
> unsupported).

With a big fat warning sign? Have you already tested things in there?

Curious,

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[Joshua Daniel Franklin]

Hello,

I created a wiki username JoshuaFranklin and would like to
contribute a description of http://iuscommunity.org/ to this
page:

http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories

IUS is a new third party repo for RHEL that provides the
"latest upstream versions of PHP, Python, MySQL". It is
sponsored by internal work at Rackspace (but officially
unsupported).

Thanks,
Joshua
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[John Dell]

Hi,

I wanted to add a few notes in the wiki on the fastestmirror plugin on how
you can add exclude info in the fastestmirror.conf file.

This became important because amazingly ucalgary.ca shows up as a
fastestmirror for servers I have in both Nevada and New York.  However, the
mirror is horribly slow for actual downloads and frequently times out.

So, I just want to add info on how to add the exclude clause to this page:

http://wiki.centos.org/PackageManagement/Yum/FastestMirror

Thanks,
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Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki contribution: CentOS 5 on HP Pavilion laptop

[Ralph Angenendt]

Bart Schaefer wrote:
> On Nov 26, 2007 2:18 AM, Ralph Angenendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Give me today to think about out how ACLs should work on our wiki, this
> > is getting slightly out of hand.
> 
> I wondered.
> 
> > Oh yes, and I need to know your WikiAccount ...
> 
> BartSchaefer (sorry, meant to include that before).

Go ahead (I created an ACL group for the laptop stuff -
).

I'll try to whip up something about a different ACL model over the
weekend

Cheers,

Ralph


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[Bart Schaefer]

On Nov 26, 2007 2:18 AM, Ralph Angenendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Give me today to think about out how ACLs should work on our wiki, this
> is getting slightly out of hand.

I wondered.

> Oh yes, and I need to know your WikiAccount ...

BartSchaefer (sorry, meant to include that before).
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Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki contribution: CentOS 5 on HP Pavilion laptop

[Ralph Angenendt]

Bart Schaefer wrote:
> Dag Wieërs recently requested contributors for the
> http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Laptops/ section.  A few months back I
> installed CentOS 5 on my HP Pavilion ze5300 (actually an xt5377qv).
> I'd like to create a page for this.

Sure.

Give me today to think about out how ACLs should work on our wiki, this
is getting slightly out of hand.

Oh yes, and I need to know your WikiAccount ... 

Cheers,

Ralph


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[Bart Schaefer]

Dag Wieërs recently requested contributors for the
http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Laptops/ section.  A few months back I
installed CentOS 5 on my HP Pavilion ze5300 (actually an xt5377qv).
I'd like to create a page for this.
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Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki Contribution Request

[Matthew Bowman]

Ralph Angenendt wrote:

Matthew Bowman wrote:
  
I was thinking I could setup one master High Availability page and outline 
the steps necessary for each service. So far I have the following setup and 
working in a 2-node failover system:



Sounds good to me - do you already have some of that ready so one could
take a sneak preview? Or at least an outline of that?

Waiting for others to chime in,

Ralph
  



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It's all in rough outline form in OOo and it's really confusing because 
some commands (which should be [code] blocks in a wiki) are mixed in 
with "brief"descriptions. I can clean it up and let whoever take a look.


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki Contribution Request

[Ralph Angenendt]

Matthew Bowman wrote:
> I was thinking I could setup one master High Availability page and outline 
> the steps necessary for each service. So far I have the following setup and 
> working in a 2-node failover system:

Sounds good to me - do you already have some of that ready so one could
take a sneak preview? Or at least an outline of that?

Waiting for others to chime in,

Ralph


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[Matthew Bowman]

Dear to whom it may concern:

My name is Matthew Bowman (Wiki username MatthewBowman) and I would like 
to contribute a few HowTos which I feel others may benefit from. I've 
recently setup numerous highly available services (using Heartbeat + 
DRBD) in chroot jails (I'm paranoid) and feel that many other users out 
there could benfit from my efforts.


I was thinking I could setup one master High Availability page and 
outline the steps necessary for each service. So far I have the 
following setup and working in a 2-node failover system:


OpenLDAP
BIND
Postfix (LDAP auth)
Dovecot (LDAP auth)
Samba (PDC with LDAP backend)
Apache (SVN + LDAP auth)
MySQL

So far I have BIND setup in a chroot jail and I'm currently in the 
process of moving every other service over to chroot so now would be the 
time for me to document things :-) (and give a little back to the 
community at the same time!)


Thanks in advance and I look forward to helping where I can!
--Matthew Bowman
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