Re: ::Sigh:: Tom Cruise Authoritates 9/11
On Jan 18, 2008 12:29 PM, Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would a community of scientologists that presented the same stories as parable be more acceptable to you? Yes, actually. Or if they do believe them as actual fact why are they worse than the many millions that believe the bible as literal truth? They are not any worse than people who take the Bible literally. A biblical literalist and a scientologist are equally batty, as far as i'm concerned. -- If there's one thing in my life that's missing It's the time that I spend alone ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:251511 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
Re: ::Sigh:: Tom Cruise Authoritates 9/11
On Jan 18, 2008 9:08 AM, Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only high-level members of the church, Clears are given that information and by that time they'll essentially believe anything. To be honest despite its modern sci-fi wrappings the stories of Scientology aren't any more or illogical than the stories in most religions. I mean what's more believable: that space plans the size of DC-10's carried a billion dead alisn to Earth or that a guy built a boat that carried two of every animal and thus saved everything from a world-wide flood? I take serious issue with this comparison. Jim, most Christian religions use the story of the great flood as a parable to teach, not as a historical fact or as a matter of canon. Yes, the fundies will believe in the ark as an historical fact, but you didn't specify that. You were indicting the entire religion on this belief. That's not right. -- If there's one thing in my life that's missing It's the time that I spend alone ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:251280 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
Re: ::Sigh:: Tom Cruise Authoritates 9/11
This is why I vote. I don't like the current state of this country, but I'm not about to abandon it, and I keep trying to change it. --BenD G Money wrote: On Jan 18, 2008 7:58 AM, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well ... I did like Top Gun ... you guys are dangerous Never really liked that movie for some reason..but I always liked when Iceman cut Mav down with: You may not like the guys flying with you, they may not like you. But whose side are you on? That quote always seems to come up in my mind when I watch politicians going at it.or when I see people become so engulfed with hatred that they throw the worst kinds of insults out against America or it's president. Hey, you may not like the current state of this country, but just who's side are you on anyway? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:251277 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
RE: ::Sigh:: Tom Cruise Authoritates 9/11
-Original Message- From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 8:59 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: ::Sigh:: Tom Cruise Authoritates 9/11 gMo wrote: Do you have a man crush on Tom Cruise? Well ... I did like Top Gun ... you guys are dangerous I guess I find the Scientology brain wash thing fascinating. How the feck is it possible for ANY normal person to hear all this Xenu bullshit and think it's anything other than a bad story from a normally decent author? I mean volcanos with nuclear bombs? Seriously? And you're saluting HIM?? Remember: they don't say that. In fact they litigate aggressively to eliminate any mention of that. Only high-level members of the church, Clears are given that information and by that time they'll essentially believe anything. To be honest despite its modern sci-fi wrappings the stories of Scientology aren't any more or illogical than the stories in most religions. I mean what's more believable: that space plans the size of DC-10's carried a billion dead alisn to Earth or that a guy built a boat that carried two of every animal and thus saved everything from a world-wide flood? Scientology is like any religion but also features many aspects of a cult. They approach people on their terms: do you have problems? We can help! Do you not understand why you're sometimes sad? We can help! Do you feel that there must be something more? We can help! They provide escape from uncomfortable reality and authority. Want to let go of traumatic events? Feel depressed? Need to lose weight? Your doctors mean well, but they're wrong: we can help! They (and I think this is a big reason for their success in Hollywood) provide alleviation of guilt. Don't understand why you have so much when others have so little? Don't understand why you're so often unhappy when you've so successful? Want to know how you can help others without actually, you know, seeing or touching them? We can help! There's also a huge amount of stroking going on. Do you want to live up to your potential? Do you know that you can do more, faster, better? Do you want others to tell you how smart you think you are? We can help! Scientology caters obviously to the wealthy and those with disposable incomes. Advancing in Scientology generally means taking courses (at a cost) and advancing very much like you would in a correspondence course. This directed aspect of study is attractive to some people: there's no real mystery and no real chance that you can fail since everything is laid out. The church bills all this as counseling, and it's often much cheaper overall than the psychologists many of the targets are used to paying. It's no wonder that a fundamental tenant of the church is that psychiatry and psychology are evil: they don't want the competition. For years scientologists see absolutely nothing about Xenu, the volcanoes or alien ghosts. Instead they get smart sounding babble about engrams and clears. They call their practices technology and actually use impressive looking machines to audit their members health. For much of the early part the practices are essentially completely secular. Like any good cult they eventually provide a warehouse of secrets to their members. A secret language, secret concepts and terms which make it more and more difficult for the member to talk comfortably to non-scientologists. This can be see at a less damaging in almost any field: computer geeks find it easier to talk to computer geeks, horse nuts like talking to other horse nuts, etc. Once people begin to describe themselves using church terms it's very hard to come back. It's self-reinforcing. In short scientology grabs people like all religions: start out focusing on the person, on their problems and needs. Provide promise of an answer. Start slow and gradually shift that focus to the organization and the group. Catch people at the right time and work slowly and you can essentially do anything no matter how smart or skeptical they may normally be. Jim Davis ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:251272 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
Re: ::Sigh:: Tom Cruise Authoritates 9/11
On Jan 18, 2008 7:58 AM, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well ... I did like Top Gun ... you guys are dangerous Never really liked that movie for some reason..but I always liked when Iceman cut Mav down with: You may not like the guys flying with you, they may not like you. But whose side are you on? That quote always seems to come up in my mind when I watch politicians going at it.or when I see people become so engulfed with hatred that they throw the worst kinds of insults out against America or it's president. Hey, you may not like the current state of this country, but just who's side are you on anyway? -- If there's one thing in my life that's missing It's the time that I spend alone ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:251263 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
Re: ::Sigh:: Tom Cruise Authoritates 9/11
gMo wrote: Do you have a man crush on Tom Cruise? Well ... I did like Top Gun ... you guys are dangerous I guess I find the Scientology brain wash thing fascinating. How the feck is it possible for ANY normal person to hear all this Xenu bullshit and think it's anything other than a bad story from a normally decent author? I mean volcanos with nuclear bombs? Seriously? And you're saluting HIM?? I like Battlefield Earth as much as the next guy but I don't really believe Terl is going to come take over the planet. I haven't read the Mission Earth series but I never will unless I can get them for free as I don't want to put any more money into the hands of those nutjobs. I agree with Brandon - when are these guys going to attack us with robots with frickin' laser beams? Fecking asshats. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:251258 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
Re: ::Sigh:: Tom Cruise Authoritates 9/11
Do you have a man crush on Tom Cruise? It's ok Gruss, you can admit it. On Jan 17, 2008 7:19 PM, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and the Tom Cruise/Will Smith Scientology Super-Party Remix http://perezhilton.com/2008-01-17-the-tom-cruise-scientology-video-the-remix ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:251254 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
Re: ::Sigh:: Tom Cruise Authoritates 9/11
Did any of you read the comments on wwtdd's page? Some laugh out loud funny stuff there, and I hate that Tom Cruise is insane because I've always liked him. sigh But ... these are the best: Man he must be seething about these clips being leaked. Shaking his tiny fists and chattering like a hopped-up squirrel. Tom decided he needed to anally probe every firefighter, and no, he didn't ask for permission. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:251307 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
RE: ::Sigh:: Tom Cruise Authoritates 9/11
-Original Message- From: G Money [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:19 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: ::Sigh:: Tom Cruise Authoritates 9/11 On Jan 18, 2008 9:08 AM, Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only high-level members of the church, Clears are given that information and by that time they'll essentially believe anything. To be honest despite its modern sci-fi wrappings the stories of Scientology aren't any more or illogical than the stories in most religions. I mean what's more believable: that space plans the size of DC-10's carried a billion dead alisn to Earth or that a guy built a boat that carried two of every animal and thus saved everything from a world-wide flood? I take serious issue with this comparison. I sorry that you take it personally. It wasn't meant to be. Jim, most Christian religions use the story of the great flood as a parable to teach, not as a historical fact or as a matter of canon. Yes, the fundies will believe in the ark as an historical fact, but you didn't specify that. You were indicting the entire religion on this belief. That's not right. I didn't indicate any religion (let's remember that there are actually several religions for which the story Noah's Ark is sacred - not just yours). There are many, many people that consider the flood story as actual, literal fact. Also the concept that these stories are simple parables is relatively modern: for most of their existence they've been taught as fact. Lastly the bible gives no indication of which stories are parable and which are fact: is the nativity story parable? Sodom and Gomorrah? Jonah and the whale? Where's the fiction/non-fiction key? But that's all beside the point. I was talking about the ridiculousness of the stories. Nearly all religion is based upon stories or beliefs that non-believers find ridiculous-sounding. Would a community of scientologists that presented the same stories as parable be more acceptable to you? Or if they do believe them as actual fact why are they worse than the many millions that believe the bible as literal truth? Jim Davis ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:251304 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
::Sigh:: Tom Cruise Authoritates 9/11
we are the authorities why ask permission? http://wwtdd.com/post.phtml?pk=3397 ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:251235 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
Re: ::Sigh:: Tom Cruise Authoritates 9/11
and this ... http://wwtdd.com/post.phtml?pk=3394 The Sun UK has more video today from the Scientology awards ceremony that presented Tom Cruise with the IAS Freedom Medal of Valor in 2006, and this one is infinitely creppier than the last one. It's all pretty terrifying and basically looks and sounds like a veiled threat against all the non-believers, topped off by Cruise saluting a portrait of L Ron Hubbard. You honestly expect the speech to end and then the wall opens up to reveal an army of killer robots with glowing red eyes. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:251237 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
Re: ::Sigh:: Tom Cruise Authoritates 9/11
and the Tom Cruise/Will Smith Scientology Super-Party Remix http://perezhilton.com/2008-01-17-the-tom-cruise-scientology-video-the-remix ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:251243 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
