Re: On line project site
Dave, True. I heard about Guru.com as well. I think Guru.com has more long-term projects with better opportunities for pay. But I was heard that it is hard to get work there. Ravi. Dave Phillips wrote: > Guru.com was good for me a few years ago. Some clients post projects > looking for US only coders and therefore are willing to pay a normal hourly > range. I picked up a client that I kept for about 2 years until she stopped > doing the business. > > Dave > > -Original Message- > From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:chumph...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:02 PM > To: cf-jobs-talk > Subject: Re: On line project site > > I got one project on Rent-a-Coder that was less than encouraging. > Maybe it was my lack of experience in managing client expectations at > the time or maybe it was what this particular client had dealt with > (and gotten away with) in the past but I ended up terminating the > project before completion. > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4157 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: On line project site
Hatton, Most people who tried Rent-a-Coder complained one way or another about payments and client expectations. I think Rent-A-Coder works better for emerging economies and not so much for developed countries like the United States. Ravi. C. Hatton Humphrey wrote: > I got one project on Rent-a-Coder that was less than encouraging. > Maybe it was my lack of experience in managing client expectations at > the time or maybe it was what this particular client had dealt with > (and gotten away with) in the past but I ended up terminating the > project before completion. > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4156 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: Best ways to find projects
Jenny, There are many ways to attract potential clients/projects. But freelancing has its drawbacks as you might already know. I prefer a job over freelancing because I get benefits and a steady pay. But back to your question, in order for you to get more clients/projects you need to build your presence on the Internet. It was a great idea of yours to start your own business website. That's a great start but it will not attract people(clients/projects) if it is not being advertised somehow. So try to market your name or your business name (Fast Track Online). For instance, your name(Jenny Gavin-Wear) is very powerful. Try to build a BLOG and give people what they want. They want quality articles that they can learn a bunch from. Try to get a domain name after your name and build a BLOG. Thats where you will post articles and people will read about it. If you can do that, you can build traffic. If you can build traffic that trusts your information, you can build prospects that may hire you later on. Take for instance my BLOG at http://www.ravigehlot.net/ . I have been getting about 500 visits daily just because I wrote 1 good article on SVN. My BLOG has only been around for 3 weeks and it is already getting some attention. Yesterday, I had a guy from France pay me $200 dollars to step up SVN for him. While, $200 dollars is not a lot of money, if more people ask me to do the same then it will great. So blogging is one way to draw more projects/client. However, bear in mind, put your heart into your blog. I mean, do it with attention to detail not just to try to make money. Do it because you can have fun with it too. My BLOG is sort of diary where I keep everything I have been looking at lately. Try to get on Social News networks like Digg, DZone, Delicious, StumbleUpon, Reddit. Also try to get on Social Networks like Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, MySpace and Hi5. You will network with people that share yours interests and they may need your services in the future. Another way to draw more prospects is to try to rank well on the search engines. This falls back on Search Optimization Techniques but being able to be found on search engines is not enough. More and more people are not reading text. What they is to experience and try your services. So for Fast Track Online, you should try to build demo sites and stuff that you have been doing. People will want to go back there to test a feature you have done. Not to read the text. The text is good for search engines to find you. Good Luck, Ravi Gehlot Jenny wrote: > Having seen replies as expected regarding on line project sites, I'd be > interested in hearing about everyone's most popular/successful way of > finding projects. > > I currently get some work through my web site www.fasttrackonline.co.uk, but > not nearly as much as i would like to see. Traffic to my site has also > reduced considerably since the economic downturn, so I need to find other > routes to landing projects. > > I'd also very much appreciate any feedback on the web site. > > Thanks in advance, > > Jenny > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4155 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
RE: On line project site
Guru.com was good for me a few years ago. Some clients post projects looking for US only coders and therefore are willing to pay a normal hourly range. I picked up a client that I kept for about 2 years until she stopped doing the business. Dave -Original Message- From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:chumph...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:02 PM To: cf-jobs-talk Subject: Re: On line project site I got one project on Rent-a-Coder that was less than encouraging. Maybe it was my lack of experience in managing client expectations at the time or maybe it was what this particular client had dealt with (and gotten away with) in the past but I ended up terminating the project before completion. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4154 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: On line project site
I got one project on Rent-a-Coder that was less than encouraging. Maybe it was my lack of experience in managing client expectations at the time or maybe it was what this particular client had dealt with (and gotten away with) in the past but I ended up terminating the project before completion. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4153 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: On line project site
I was on there for a bit, but kept getting out bid by someone who'll do it for $5.00/hr. Jenny wrote: > Has anyone had success, or otherwise, with sites such as Guru, Elance or > oDesk? > > Jenny > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4152 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Best ways to find projects
Having seen replies as expected regarding on line project sites, I'd be interested in hearing about everyone's most popular/successful way of finding projects. I currently get some work through my web site www.fasttrackonline.co.uk, but not nearly as much as i would like to see. Traffic to my site has also reduced considerably since the economic downturn, so I need to find other routes to landing projects. I'd also very much appreciate any feedback on the web site. Thanks in advance, Jenny ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4151 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: On line project site
Never... I did try once and they wanted to pay me around $200 for a project over $1000 On Dec 22, 2008 7:11 PM, "Jenny" wrote: Has anyone had success, or otherwise, with sites such as Guru, Elance or oDesk? Jenny ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4150 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: CF Job Market
That's true. It takes about 3 to 5 years to learn a computer language really well. I mean, 3 years of working with the language almost daily. This is also a reason why we are suppose to get paid good money. We take 5 years of our time to be really good at a programming language. If you think about it, every time that you take 5 years of your lifetime to learn a computer language, you could be earning a Bachelors Degree. This is the kind of field that you need to be on top of it or you will fall behind quickly. You really need to love doing this thing. There are many frustrations that come with the job and if you don't know how to work them, you suffer. Unless you are beginner, do not settle for anything less than 60k especially if you have a Bachelors Degree in Computer Science, Mathematics or Information Technology. If you have a major in Electrical Engineering then you should be getting paid even more money. Just my $0.02, Ravi. Justin Scott wrote: > Adam Reynolds wrote: > >> Or better still learn Flex/Air. Look at upcoming technologies where the >> number of skilled individuals is low. >> >> Don't go down the "I'll learn Java route" because honestly you need 3+ >> years commercial experience. >> > > You could say that about almost any skilled position in many industries. > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4148 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: CF Job Market
Adam Reynolds wrote: > Or better still learn Flex/Air. Look at upcoming technologies where the > number of skilled individuals is low. > > Don't go down the "I'll learn Java route" because honestly you need 3+ > years commercial experience. You could say that about almost any skilled position in many industries. -- Justin Scott, http://www.tlson.com/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4146 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: CF Job Market
Hello Adam, I couldn't agree more with you. Ravi. Adam Reynolds wrote: > Or better still learn Flex/Air. Look at upcoming technologies where the > number of skilled individuals is low. > > Don't go down the "I'll learn Java route" because honestly you need 3+ > years commercial experience. > > Ravi Gehlot wrote: > >> Dave, >> >> As we all know the economy is not doing so well. It does not matter >> how much one can say that it is unfair to blame the economy (as I have >> heard) but there have been many job cuts. Many programmers are out of >> their jobs because either companies are afraid to expand or just don't >> have the money to hire more work force. So there are fewer jobs and >> there will be even more cuts as the next president tries to fix this >> mess that the current president left (lets not get into politics here). >> I will give you an example, about 2 to 3 years ago, I used to search for >> CF jobs on monster.com and I would often get impressed with the amount >> of available positions that that search used to return. It felt like >> employers were seeking candidates at all times and everywhere. If you >> try to do a search now, you will not get many jobs. You try to contact >> the fewer ones left and they are already interviewing 3 to 5 other >> candidates for that spot. >> Here is what I recommend you. Do not get stuck with just one >> language. Regardless of its popularity, try to learn another skill. For >> instance, for as much as people complain that PHP is nothing but a mess, >> it is the one that offers the most jobs. If you know PHP really well >> chances are that you will find a job somewhere or even an outsourced >> position (Yes, people also outsource jobs to the U.S.). >> I am have been trying to learn Ruby and PHP. Why not? >> >> >> Always remember: "Don't let others say you can't do just because they >> can't do it" >> >> >> Good Luck, >> Ravi Gehlot. >> >> >> >> Hi all, My job will be ending sometime next year due to a merger. I'm a Senior level CF Developer with 10+ years experience. I am wondering what the job market is looking like out there for us senior type CF developers with the economy the way it is here in the US. What I'm concerned about most that I see is more job descriptions asking for mid-level and junior developers, and lower salaries for those as well. I'm wondering if I might have trouble finding a job when the time comes because my salary demands would be too high and/or the employer would rather pay someone a lower salary for less experience, thinking they are getting the same efficiency. Please share whatever your thoughts are on this topic. I think this thread will be useful for anyone visiting it in the next 12-18 months, so let's really try to provide some good 'intel', if you will on the 'near future' CF market. Thanks! Dave Phillips ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4145 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: CF Job Market
Or better still learn Flex/Air. Look at upcoming technologies where the number of skilled individuals is low. Don't go down the "I'll learn Java route" because honestly you need 3+ years commercial experience. Ravi Gehlot wrote: > Dave, > > As we all know the economy is not doing so well. It does not matter > how much one can say that it is unfair to blame the economy (as I have > heard) but there have been many job cuts. Many programmers are out of > their jobs because either companies are afraid to expand or just don't > have the money to hire more work force. So there are fewer jobs and > there will be even more cuts as the next president tries to fix this > mess that the current president left (lets not get into politics here). > I will give you an example, about 2 to 3 years ago, I used to search for > CF jobs on monster.com and I would often get impressed with the amount > of available positions that that search used to return. It felt like > employers were seeking candidates at all times and everywhere. If you > try to do a search now, you will not get many jobs. You try to contact > the fewer ones left and they are already interviewing 3 to 5 other > candidates for that spot. > Here is what I recommend you. Do not get stuck with just one > language. Regardless of its popularity, try to learn another skill. For > instance, for as much as people complain that PHP is nothing but a mess, > it is the one that offers the most jobs. If you know PHP really well > chances are that you will find a job somewhere or even an outsourced > position (Yes, people also outsource jobs to the U.S.). > I am have been trying to learn Ruby and PHP. Why not? > > > Always remember: "Don't let others say you can't do just because they > can't do it" > > > Good Luck, > Ravi Gehlot. > > > >>> Hi all, >>> >>> >>> >>> My job will be ending sometime next year due to a merger. I'm a Senior >>> level CF Developer with 10+ years experience. I am wondering what the job >>> market is looking like out there for us senior type CF developers with the >>> economy the way it is here in the US. >>> >>> >>> >>> What I'm concerned about most that I see is more job descriptions asking for >>> mid-level and junior developers, and lower salaries for those as well. I'm >>> wondering if I might have trouble finding a job when the time comes because >>> my salary demands would be too high and/or the employer would rather pay >>> someone a lower salary for less experience, thinking they are getting the >>> same efficiency. >>> >>> >>> >>> Please share whatever your thoughts are on this topic. I think this thread >>> will be useful for anyone visiting it in the next 12-18 months, so let's >>> really try to provide some good 'intel', if you will on the 'near future' CF >>> market. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> >>> >>> Dave Phillips >>> > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4144 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
