Re: [CF-metadata] Roms: ocean_s_coordinate_g1 and g2?
Dear John As with previous versions, what will go in CF 1.7 is just the list of tickets which are approved at the arbitrary date we decide to build CF 1.7. We could decide that this is the list of currently approved tickets today, which we can write down for reference, and that list would define the contents of the CF 1.7 document which we have to build. Yes, we should create the document as soon as we can in the simplest possible way! As you know, we're trying to work out what that is, given the position we are currently in with source documents. Best wishes Jonathan - Forwarded message from John Graybeal jbgrayb...@mindspring.com - Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 08:22:26 -0700 From: John Graybeal jbgrayb...@mindspring.com To: Jonathan Gregory j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk CC: CF Metadata List cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Roms: ocean_s_coordinate_g1 and g2? X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) If we have actually agreed on what CF-1.7 is -- that is, ALL the things that make up CF-1.7 -- then I agree that telling people to put CF-1.7 into the Conventions attribute is Just Fine. But I didn't realize we knew what all the 1.7 things were yet. Also, if we do know what all the things are that make up CF-1.7, and that's all that's holding up CF-1.7, then the correct thing to do is go old school and just make a plain old CF-1.7 document in the fastest possible way. Don't worry about change markups, don't worry about production, just get it out there. The nice technological approach can then play catch-up, with the advantage of a target document to match. But I didn't realize CF-1.7 was anywhere close to final form, so putting it in an attribute would be premature if that's true. John On Jun 12, 2015, at 09:35, Jonathan Gregory j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk wrote: Dear Heiko We have to agree a new format for the source of the CF document, because the existing one appears hard to maintain, and that's one reason why CF 1.7 has not been completed. I hope this will be sorted out soon. All agreed tickets will be implemented. In fact, I don't see why we shouldn't decide now on the list of tickets which will be included in CF 1.7 and say that people can put CF-1.7 into the Conventions attribute now, although the document itself does not exist. What do others think? Best wishes Jonathan - Forwarded message from Heiko Klein heiko.kl...@met.no - Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 17:35:15 +0200 From: Heiko Klein heiko.kl...@met.no To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Roms: ocean_s_coordinate_g1 and g2? User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 Dear all, three years ago, Rich submitted the addition for a new ocean_s_coordinates_g* to the ticket system: http://cf-trac.llnl.gov/trac/ticket/93 The ticket was approved by 3 authors and accepted in 2012. When will this ticket be available in the CF document? What needs to be done? (And why does the ticket have 'low' priority?) Best regards, Heiko On 2012-07-18 07:52, Heiko Klein wrote: Rich, it must have been the netcdf-java package where I have seen these standard-names. The description on the netcdf-java pages are outdated, still using formula_terms a and b. I just checked the code, and that is up to date working with the formula_term -array C(k). It'll be good to have an official version. Thanks for picking this up again. Heiko On 2012-07-17 17:13, Rich Signell wrote: Heiko, We worked with John Caron several years ago to get these into the CDM in the NetCDF-Java library, so if you have g1 or g2 coordinates they will work with codes that use NetCDF-java (like the Matlab NCTOOLBOX and Unidata's IDV), and I remember we drafted up some documentation to submit to CF, but looks like we dropped the ball.I'll pick it up again. -Rich On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Heiko Klein heiko.kl...@met.no wrote: Hi, I'm currently working with ROMS ocean model files. The model uses a generalized ocean_s coordinate as defined by https://www.myroms.org/wiki/index.php/Vertical_S-coordinate . The same page says that their s_coordinate is covered by standard_names ocean_s_coordinate_g1 ocean_s_coordinate_g2 and I believe I have seen at least the g1 case in a draft of a CF convention some month ago. Both cases are also implemented in the netcdf-java package with above standard_names: http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/netcdf-java/reference/StandardCoordinateTransforms.html But I cannot find any of those names any longer, neither in CF-1.6 nor in the standard_names tables. Does somebody remember what happened to these vertical coordinates? According to the ROMS Wiki, the standard_names have been added in March 2009. Best
Re: [CF-metadata] Roms: ocean_s_coordinate_g1 and g2?
If we have actually agreed on what CF-1.7 is -- that is, ALL the things that make up CF-1.7 -- then I agree that telling people to put CF-1.7 into the Conventions attribute is Just Fine. But I didn't realize we knew what all the 1.7 things were yet. Also, if we do know what all the things are that make up CF-1.7, and that's all that's holding up CF-1.7, then the correct thing to do is go old school and just make a plain old CF-1.7 document in the fastest possible way. Don't worry about change markups, don't worry about production, just get it out there. The nice technological approach can then play catch-up, with the advantage of a target document to match. But I didn't realize CF-1.7 was anywhere close to final form, so putting it in an attribute would be premature if that's true. John On Jun 12, 2015, at 09:35, Jonathan Gregory j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk wrote: Dear Heiko We have to agree a new format for the source of the CF document, because the existing one appears hard to maintain, and that's one reason why CF 1.7 has not been completed. I hope this will be sorted out soon. All agreed tickets will be implemented. In fact, I don't see why we shouldn't decide now on the list of tickets which will be included in CF 1.7 and say that people can put CF-1.7 into the Conventions attribute now, although the document itself does not exist. What do others think? Best wishes Jonathan - Forwarded message from Heiko Klein heiko.kl...@met.no - Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 17:35:15 +0200 From: Heiko Klein heiko.kl...@met.no To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Roms: ocean_s_coordinate_g1 and g2? User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 Dear all, three years ago, Rich submitted the addition for a new ocean_s_coordinates_g* to the ticket system: http://cf-trac.llnl.gov/trac/ticket/93 The ticket was approved by 3 authors and accepted in 2012. When will this ticket be available in the CF document? What needs to be done? (And why does the ticket have 'low' priority?) Best regards, Heiko On 2012-07-18 07:52, Heiko Klein wrote: Rich, it must have been the netcdf-java package where I have seen these standard-names. The description on the netcdf-java pages are outdated, still using formula_terms a and b. I just checked the code, and that is up to date working with the formula_term -array C(k). It'll be good to have an official version. Thanks for picking this up again. Heiko On 2012-07-17 17:13, Rich Signell wrote: Heiko, We worked with John Caron several years ago to get these into the CDM in the NetCDF-Java library, so if you have g1 or g2 coordinates they will work with codes that use NetCDF-java (like the Matlab NCTOOLBOX and Unidata's IDV), and I remember we drafted up some documentation to submit to CF, but looks like we dropped the ball.I'll pick it up again. -Rich On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Heiko Klein heiko.kl...@met.no wrote: Hi, I'm currently working with ROMS ocean model files. The model uses a generalized ocean_s coordinate as defined by https://www.myroms.org/wiki/index.php/Vertical_S-coordinate . The same page says that their s_coordinate is covered by standard_names ocean_s_coordinate_g1 ocean_s_coordinate_g2 and I believe I have seen at least the g1 case in a draft of a CF convention some month ago. Both cases are also implemented in the netcdf-java package with above standard_names: http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/netcdf-java/reference/StandardCoordinateTransforms.html But I cannot find any of those names any longer, neither in CF-1.6 nor in the standard_names tables. Does somebody remember what happened to these vertical coordinates? According to the ROMS Wiki, the standard_names have been added in March 2009. Best regards, Heiko ___ CF-metadata mailing list CF-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cf-metadata -- Dr. Heiko Klein Norwegian Meteorological Institute Tel. + 47 22 96 32 58 P.O. Box 43 Blindern http://www.met.no 0313 Oslo NORWAY ___ CF-metadata mailing list CF-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cf-metadata - End forwarded message - ___ CF-metadata mailing list CF-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cf-metadata ___ CF-metadata mailing list CF-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cf-metadata
Re: [CF-metadata] Roms: ocean_s_coordinate_g1 and g2?
Dear Heiko We have to agree a new format for the source of the CF document, because the existing one appears hard to maintain, and that's one reason why CF 1.7 has not been completed. I hope this will be sorted out soon. All agreed tickets will be implemented. In fact, I don't see why we shouldn't decide now on the list of tickets which will be included in CF 1.7 and say that people can put CF-1.7 into the Conventions attribute now, although the document itself does not exist. What do others think? Best wishes Jonathan - Forwarded message from Heiko Klein heiko.kl...@met.no - Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 17:35:15 +0200 From: Heiko Klein heiko.kl...@met.no To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Roms: ocean_s_coordinate_g1 and g2? User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 Dear all, three years ago, Rich submitted the addition for a new ocean_s_coordinates_g* to the ticket system: http://cf-trac.llnl.gov/trac/ticket/93 The ticket was approved by 3 authors and accepted in 2012. When will this ticket be available in the CF document? What needs to be done? (And why does the ticket have 'low' priority?) Best regards, Heiko On 2012-07-18 07:52, Heiko Klein wrote: Rich, it must have been the netcdf-java package where I have seen these standard-names. The description on the netcdf-java pages are outdated, still using formula_terms a and b. I just checked the code, and that is up to date working with the formula_term -array C(k). It'll be good to have an official version. Thanks for picking this up again. Heiko On 2012-07-17 17:13, Rich Signell wrote: Heiko, We worked with John Caron several years ago to get these into the CDM in the NetCDF-Java library, so if you have g1 or g2 coordinates they will work with codes that use NetCDF-java (like the Matlab NCTOOLBOX and Unidata's IDV), and I remember we drafted up some documentation to submit to CF, but looks like we dropped the ball.I'll pick it up again. -Rich On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Heiko Klein heiko.kl...@met.no wrote: Hi, I'm currently working with ROMS ocean model files. The model uses a generalized ocean_s coordinate as defined by https://www.myroms.org/wiki/index.php/Vertical_S-coordinate . The same page says that their s_coordinate is covered by standard_names ocean_s_coordinate_g1 ocean_s_coordinate_g2 and I believe I have seen at least the g1 case in a draft of a CF convention some month ago. Both cases are also implemented in the netcdf-java package with above standard_names: http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/netcdf-java/reference/StandardCoordinateTransforms.html But I cannot find any of those names any longer, neither in CF-1.6 nor in the standard_names tables. Does somebody remember what happened to these vertical coordinates? According to the ROMS Wiki, the standard_names have been added in March 2009. Best regards, Heiko ___ CF-metadata mailing list CF-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cf-metadata -- Dr. Heiko Klein Norwegian Meteorological Institute Tel. + 47 22 96 32 58 P.O. Box 43 Blindern http://www.met.no 0313 Oslo NORWAY ___ CF-metadata mailing list CF-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cf-metadata - End forwarded message - ___ CF-metadata mailing list CF-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cf-metadata
Re: [CF-metadata] Roms: ocean_s_coordinate_g1 and g2?
Heiko, Back in January the pull request to add these two coordinates was merged into the CF 1.7 document xml files: https://github.com/cf-convention/cf-convention.github.io/pull/33 But those changes didn't show up in the CF 1.7 web page: http://cfconventions.org/Data/cf-conventions/cf-conventions-1.7/build/cf-conventions.html which still says: Version 1.7.2 DRAFT, 28 March, 2014 The problem I think is that there is no automated process to create the html pages once the Pull Requests have been accepted. I guess this has traditionally been done manually, folllowing the procedure described here: https://github.com/cf-convention/cf-convention.github.io/wiki/How-to-build-the-document-from-the-Docbook-sources It would be great if we automated this process using Travis-CI. -Rich On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Heiko Klein heiko.kl...@met.no wrote: Dear all, three years ago, Rich submitted the addition for a new ocean_s_coordinates_g* to the ticket system: http://cf-trac.llnl.gov/trac/ticket/93 The ticket was approved by 3 authors and accepted in 2012. When will this ticket be available in the CF document? What needs to be done? (And why does the ticket have 'low' priority?) Best regards, Heiko On 2012-07-18 07:52, Heiko Klein wrote: Rich, it must have been the netcdf-java package where I have seen these standard-names. The description on the netcdf-java pages are outdated, still using formula_terms a and b. I just checked the code, and that is up to date working with the formula_term -array C(k). It'll be good to have an official version. Thanks for picking this up again. Heiko On 2012-07-17 17:13, Rich Signell wrote: Heiko, We worked with John Caron several years ago to get these into the CDM in the NetCDF-Java library, so if you have g1 or g2 coordinates they will work with codes that use NetCDF-java (like the Matlab NCTOOLBOX and Unidata's IDV), and I remember we drafted up some documentation to submit to CF, but looks like we dropped the ball.I'll pick it up again. -Rich On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Heiko Klein heiko.kl...@met.no wrote: Hi, I'm currently working with ROMS ocean model files. The model uses a generalized ocean_s coordinate as defined by https://www.myroms.org/wiki/index.php/Vertical_S-coordinate . The same page says that their s_coordinate is covered by standard_names ocean_s_coordinate_g1 ocean_s_coordinate_g2 and I believe I have seen at least the g1 case in a draft of a CF convention some month ago. Both cases are also implemented in the netcdf-java package with above standard_names: http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/netcdf-java/reference/StandardCoordinateTransforms.html But I cannot find any of those names any longer, neither in CF-1.6 nor in the standard_names tables. Does somebody remember what happened to these vertical coordinates? According to the ROMS Wiki, the standard_names have been added in March 2009. Best regards, Heiko ___ CF-metadata mailing list CF-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cf-metadata -- Dr. Heiko Klein Norwegian Meteorological Institute Tel. + 47 22 96 32 58 P.O. Box 43 Blindern http://www.met.no 0313 Oslo NORWAY -- Dr. Richard P. Signell (508) 457-2229 USGS, 384 Woods Hole Rd. Woods Hole, MA 02543-1598 ___ CF-metadata mailing list CF-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cf-metadata
Re: [CF-metadata] Roms: ocean_s_coordinate_g1 and g2?
Dear all, three years ago, Rich submitted the addition for a new ocean_s_coordinates_g* to the ticket system: http://cf-trac.llnl.gov/trac/ticket/93 The ticket was approved by 3 authors and accepted in 2012. When will this ticket be available in the CF document? What needs to be done? (And why does the ticket have 'low' priority?) Best regards, Heiko On 2012-07-18 07:52, Heiko Klein wrote: Rich, it must have been the netcdf-java package where I have seen these standard-names. The description on the netcdf-java pages are outdated, still using formula_terms a and b. I just checked the code, and that is up to date working with the formula_term -array C(k). It'll be good to have an official version. Thanks for picking this up again. Heiko On 2012-07-17 17:13, Rich Signell wrote: Heiko, We worked with John Caron several years ago to get these into the CDM in the NetCDF-Java library, so if you have g1 or g2 coordinates they will work with codes that use NetCDF-java (like the Matlab NCTOOLBOX and Unidata's IDV), and I remember we drafted up some documentation to submit to CF, but looks like we dropped the ball.I'll pick it up again. -Rich On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Heiko Klein heiko.kl...@met.no wrote: Hi, I'm currently working with ROMS ocean model files. The model uses a generalized ocean_s coordinate as defined by https://www.myroms.org/wiki/index.php/Vertical_S-coordinate . The same page says that their s_coordinate is covered by standard_names ocean_s_coordinate_g1 ocean_s_coordinate_g2 and I believe I have seen at least the g1 case in a draft of a CF convention some month ago. Both cases are also implemented in the netcdf-java package with above standard_names: http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/netcdf-java/reference/StandardCoordinateTransforms.html But I cannot find any of those names any longer, neither in CF-1.6 nor in the standard_names tables. Does somebody remember what happened to these vertical coordinates? According to the ROMS Wiki, the standard_names have been added in March 2009. Best regards, Heiko ___ CF-metadata mailing list CF-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cf-metadata -- Dr. Heiko Klein Norwegian Meteorological Institute Tel. + 47 22 96 32 58 P.O. Box 43 Blindern http://www.met.no 0313 Oslo NORWAY ___ CF-metadata mailing list CF-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cf-metadata
Re: [CF-metadata] Roms: ocean_s_coordinate_g1 and g2?
Rich, it must have been the netcdf-java package where I have seen these standard-names. The description on the netcdf-java pages are outdated, still using formula_terms a and b. I just checked the code, and that is up to date working with the formula_term -array C(k). It'll be good to have an official version. Thanks for picking this up again. Heiko On 2012-07-17 17:13, Rich Signell wrote: Heiko, We worked with John Caron several years ago to get these into the CDM in the NetCDF-Java library, so if you have g1 or g2 coordinates they will work with codes that use NetCDF-java (like the Matlab NCTOOLBOX and Unidata's IDV), and I remember we drafted up some documentation to submit to CF, but looks like we dropped the ball.I'll pick it up again. -Rich On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Heiko Klein heiko.kl...@met.no wrote: Hi, I'm currently working with ROMS ocean model files. The model uses a generalized ocean_s coordinate as defined by https://www.myroms.org/wiki/index.php/Vertical_S-coordinate . The same page says that their s_coordinate is covered by standard_names ocean_s_coordinate_g1 ocean_s_coordinate_g2 and I believe I have seen at least the g1 case in a draft of a CF convention some month ago. Both cases are also implemented in the netcdf-java package with above standard_names: http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/netcdf-java/reference/StandardCoordinateTransforms.html But I cannot find any of those names any longer, neither in CF-1.6 nor in the standard_names tables. Does somebody remember what happened to these vertical coordinates? According to the ROMS Wiki, the standard_names have been added in March 2009. Best regards, Heiko ___ CF-metadata mailing list CF-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cf-metadata -- Dr. Heiko Klein Tel. + 47 22 96 32 58 Development Section / IT Department Fax. + 47 22 69 63 55 Norwegian Meteorological Institute http://www.met.no P.O. Box 43 Blindern 0313 Oslo NORWAY ___ CF-metadata mailing list CF-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cf-metadata
Re: [CF-metadata] Roms: ocean_s_coordinate_g1 and g2?
Ive updated the docs at http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/netcdf-java/reference/StandardCoordinateTransforms.html Thanks for the report. On 7/17/2012 11:52 PM, Heiko Klein wrote: Rich, it must have been the netcdf-java package where I have seen these standard-names. The description on the netcdf-java pages are outdated, still using formula_terms a and b. I just checked the code, and that is up to date working with the formula_term -array C(k). It'll be good to have an official version. Thanks for picking this up again. Heiko On 2012-07-17 17:13, Rich Signell wrote: Heiko, We worked with John Caron several years ago to get these into the CDM in the NetCDF-Java library, so if you have g1 or g2 coordinates they will work with codes that use NetCDF-java (like the Matlab NCTOOLBOX and Unidata's IDV), and I remember we drafted up some documentation to submit to CF, but looks like we dropped the ball.I'll pick it up again. -Rich On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Heiko Klein heiko.kl...@met.no wrote: Hi, I'm currently working with ROMS ocean model files. The model uses a generalized ocean_s coordinate as defined by https://www.myroms.org/wiki/index.php/Vertical_S-coordinate . The same page says that their s_coordinate is covered by standard_names ocean_s_coordinate_g1 ocean_s_coordinate_g2 and I believe I have seen at least the g1 case in a draft of a CF convention some month ago. Both cases are also implemented in the netcdf-java package with above standard_names: http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/netcdf-java/reference/StandardCoordinateTransforms.html But I cannot find any of those names any longer, neither in CF-1.6 nor in the standard_names tables. Does somebody remember what happened to these vertical coordinates? According to the ROMS Wiki, the standard_names have been added in March 2009. Best regards, Heiko ___ CF-metadata mailing list CF-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cf-metadata ___ CF-metadata mailing list CF-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cf-metadata
[CF-metadata] Roms: ocean_s_coordinate_g1 and g2?
Hi, I'm currently working with ROMS ocean model files. The model uses a generalized ocean_s coordinate as defined by https://www.myroms.org/wiki/index.php/Vertical_S-coordinate . The same page says that their s_coordinate is covered by standard_names ocean_s_coordinate_g1 ocean_s_coordinate_g2 and I believe I have seen at least the g1 case in a draft of a CF convention some month ago. Both cases are also implemented in the netcdf-java package with above standard_names: http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/netcdf-java/reference/StandardCoordinateTransforms.html But I cannot find any of those names any longer, neither in CF-1.6 nor in the standard_names tables. Does somebody remember what happened to these vertical coordinates? According to the ROMS Wiki, the standard_names have been added in March 2009. Best regards, Heiko ___ CF-metadata mailing list CF-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cf-metadata
