Re: OT: Coldfusion vs. ASP
I've had to learn ASP to compliment my CF skills, mainly for multi-language projects due to CF's lack of unicode support. The main problem I have with ASP is the time it takes to do what are relatively simple tasks in CF - for example, sending an email, retrieving a recordset, even displaying a date in nice human-readable format. In CF these are inbuilt functions, whereas in ASP they have to be done manually, which takes many more lines of code. In my opinion, if you are building database-driven websites, you are doing these kinds of tasks all the time, so they should be built into the language. Surely there's only one way to return a recordset - why can't it be done in one tag? Not to say that ASP isn't good for certain tasks. There is always a best tool for a particular job, in our case CF's downfall has been lack of unicode support. As for the "for babies" argument, I think that "real programmers" should know when to use the best tool for the job. The company I work for would not tolerate taking four times as long to do a task just so the programmer could feel like he was a "real" programmer. Just my 0.02, of course. K. __ Kay Smoljak - ColdFusion Developer - PerthWeb Pty Ltd Internet Solutions for your business! Level 9/105 St George's Tc - Perth - Western Australia Ph: (08) 9226 1366 Fax: (08) 9226 1375 Mobile : 0419 949 007 Visit Perth online! : www.perthweb.com.au Tools for developers: http://developer.perthweb.com.au -- cfx_pwimageproc: image processing tool -- cfx_pwcardcrypt: credit card validation and encryption On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:11:30 -0700, David Byers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Having become relatively comfortable with ASP, I'm wondering if ColdFusion >would be a step forward or a step backward. Recently, I went to a "3-hour >tour" of Coldfusion, hosted by Macromedia. This introduction boosted my >interest considerably. Knowing that they were putting their best-foot >forward & presented only the fun & exciting aspects of CF, I want to know >more about the real-world aspects of CF. > >Some of my acquaintances who have experience with both ASP and CF, told me >that CF is for babies & ASP is for real programmers. These same people >refuse to use Dreamweaver/Ultradev for the same reasons--they only endorse >hand-coding. > >In ASP, I tend to rely on Ultradev for my layout and basic functionalities, >then I tweak and add advanced functionality via hand-coding. This is most >efficient for me, and if the militant hand-coders consider me a baby for >that, so be it. I can envision myself doing the same with Ultradev then CF >studio for the coding of advanced features. Is this a viable workflow that >people are comfortable with? > >I'd like to know what other ASP users' experiences with CF have been, & what >their level of satisfaction has been with CF. Trying to make a case as to >whether the expenditure to add CF capabilities would be worthwhile or not. > >Thanks, > >David Byers >[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: ColdFusion Server 5 Performance Brief Updated
Just what the world needs -- another annoying website. What the hell is this "a message is waiting for you" pop up crap. Has Macrame jumped on the spam wagon? best, paul At 09:28 PM 6/16/01 -0600, you wrote: > > http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/resources/ > > (click "Performance Brief" link) ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: OT: Coldfusion vs. ASP
Wonderfully said. Inside my collection of programming quotes one of my favourites is: "True coders use their brains. (-; They use what is necessary to make it run fast, look good, and finished quickly. (Or whatever compromised mix of the above given the available deadline and budget.)" Massimo > As for the "for babies" argument, I think that "real programmers" should > know when to use the best tool for the job. The company I work for would not > tolerate taking four times as long to do a task just so the programmer could > feel like he was a "real" programmer. > > Just my 0.02, of course. > K. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Certified ColdFusion Instructor
Dale, If you're looking for instructor certification from Macromedia, contact Deborah Prewitt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). She can tell you what possibilities there are and our current needs. Robert Robert Crooks _ Educational Services Technical Lead Macromedia, Inc. -Original Message- From: Dale Fontenot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:56 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Certified ColdFusion Instructor I am looking to combine my training skills with my developer skills by looking in to becoming a certified instructor. Can anyone on this list give me advice on doing this? Thanks Dale Fontenot ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Verity Problems
How does it keep breaking? What error, if any, do you get? Judith Nathan Stanford put into words: >I have a verity search for my site and it keeps breaking? Does anyone know >what I can do... > >I have deleted the collection added the collection and even once I get it >working... it only works for a short time and then breaks again. > >Any suggestions... or does anyone have a better Search connecting to a >database? > >Thanks, > >Nathan Stanford Judith Taylor ICQ: 67460562 Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH Friends don't let friends code before coffee. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Surely someone can help me ... Please?
Thank you to all of you on CF-Talk for your suggestions ... I'm going to have a look at them over this weekend, along with a tutorial I found on client variables, and I hope that all this information is going to give me what I need. I hope it's ok to email you again if there's any point of clarification I need. But thanks a whole lot for going to the effort to reply to me. Cheers, Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP WebWorks -Original Message- From: Brook Davies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 6:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Surely someone can help me ... Please? You do not need to use the cfregistry. I recommend using a database to store your client variables in. Its actually rather easy once you understand the concepts. CF does alot of the work for you. To start set up a new database. 1.Name it something like "myproject_clientvars". Do not create any tables in the db. 2. Create a datasource on the server for this newly created database. 3.Next, go to the cfadministrator and select the "variables" section. Under the heading Client Variable Storage, select your newly created client variable repository database from the drop down and click ADD. Make sure that "create client tables" is checked. This will generate the tables to support your client variables. The other two settings are less important. Read the description, they are fairly self explanatory. Now you have a client variable repository configured. The next step is to instruct your application(s) to use this particular datasoure to store client variables in. To do this you specify it within your tag. Here is an example: Now, throughout this application, whenever you set a client variable. It will be written to the database you configured above. If you went through your entire application and simply changed all of the session variables to client variables, your application would essentially work. Cold Fusion will seemlessly write all of the client variables to the db per page request. These variables are then available throughout your application. Now the final part, and probably the most difficult is handling authentication and session expiration. But then again, it's not really that complicated. Since you can not as easily "time out", or "expire" client variables, you need to handle this yourself. You do this by creating a clientVar after a user successfuly logs into your application. In my apps, I [snip] ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Enterprise Manager connection to SQL Server
Newcomer to SQL Server... I'm attempting to use Enterprise
Manager to connect via an ISP to a SQL Server 2000 db on a
shared host. I was successful in doing that on Friday, but after
installing MSDE on my Win98 dev laptop, the connection always
failed ("Server does not exist or access denied").
I've uninstalled MSDE and reinstalled Enterprise Mgr, still to no
avail. I CAN successfully ping the db, and I've confirmed that the
Client Network Utility is set up to use TCP/IP as the protocol. My
hosting service says I should confirm that I can use Port 1433, but
I'm unsure how to do that or how to further diagnose what's
happening. Any help appreciated!
Gene Kraybill
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RE: Enterprise Manager connection to SQL Server
The SQL Enterprise Manager will default to port 1433, so unless you changed
it, I wouldn't worry about that.
Try re-establishing the connection with the Client Network Utility. Also,
try using a different authentication routine. For example, login to Win98
as the username/password combo you would use to connect to the SQL server
and then try using trusted connection instead of SQL authentication.
If all else fails, call the ISP and have them walk you through it.
---mark
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> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 11:14 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Enterprise Manager connection to SQL Server
>
>
> Newcomer to SQL Server... I'm attempting to use Enterprise
> Manager to connect via an ISP to a SQL Server 2000 db on a
> shared host. I was successful in doing that on Friday, but after
> installing MSDE on my Win98 dev laptop, the connection always
> failed ("Server does not exist or access denied").
>
> I've uninstalled MSDE and reinstalled Enterprise Mgr, still to no
> avail. I CAN successfully ping the db, and I've confirmed that the
> Client Network Utility is set up to use TCP/IP as the protocol. My
> hosting service says I should confirm that I can use Port 1433, but
> I'm unsure how to do that or how to further diagnose what's
> happening. Any help appreciated!
>
> Gene Kraybill
>
>
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