CF-NT/2000-IIS security flasw ?

[cf-talk]

Hi list, I wonder if this issue is published already:

KPMG has recently published for IIS on Win-NT/2000 the following:

If a domain like this is hit:   (Example !!)

http://www.cfserveraufnt.de/nul..dbm

there is a fault-message returned:

Error Diagnostic Information
The template specification, 'D:\wwwroot\site\nul..dbm', is illegal. 

Here a solution of KPMG is released

Windows 2000:
1. Open the Management console
2. Click on Internet Information Services
3. Right-click on the website and select Properties
4. Select Home Directory
5. Click on Configuration
6. Select .cfm
7. Click on Edit
8. Make sure Check that file exists is checked
9. Do the same for .dbm

Unfortunately RDS on CF 5 isn't working anymore after this
workaround.
I don't have any KPMG URL on this issue.

Uwe
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Re: CF-NT/2000-IIS security flasw ?

[Jochem van Dieten]

cf-talk wrote:
 Hi list, I wonder if this issue is published already:
 
 KPMG has recently published for IIS on Win-NT/2000 the following:

Yes, it is published already. For the full info:
http://online.securityfocus.com/archive/1/268263


 Here a solution of KPMG is released

Actually, it is the MM suggested workaround, not something KPMG came up 
with.


 Unfortunately RDS on CF 5 isn't working anymore after this
 workaround.

Preliminary reports suggest it breaks all search engine safe URL's.

If you think that MM should provide a fix instead of a workaround it is 
probably best to tell them so using the bug report form:
http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform/?6213=3

Jochem

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RE: CF-NT/2000-IIS security flasw ?

[Dave Watts]

 Unfortunately RDS on CF 5 isn't working anymore after this
 workaround.

You can fix that very easily - that's a CF 5 install bug. When you install
CF 5, it creates two directories in your web root: CFIDE and Main. However,
it's supposed to create Main within CFIDE. Just move Main into CFIDE, and
your RDS will work again.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
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RE: CF and Business Logic

[Dave Watts]

 Do yourself a service and learn every language under the Sun ...

Is this a subtle push in the direction of Java specifically?

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http://www.figleaf.com/
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Re: too many forms

[Judy]

In which file do I write the join - the updateform that has the SELECT query
or the updateaction form that has the UPDATE query?


- Original Message -
From: Douglas Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: too many forms


 It has to do with how you are writing your query, if you have a table that
has
 multiple data in a column then it is duplicating within the form. You more
than
 likely need to do a join if you have relational tables.


 Success is a journey, not a destination!!



 Doug Brown
 - Original Message -
 From: Judy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 6:04 PM
 Subject: too many forms


  Can someone tell me why when I click aa link to bring up a form to
update, I
 do get the correct form, but I get 25 copies of it - all containing the
same
 information?
 
  Here's the queries I'm using:
  In the updateform file:
 
  !--- query to get an event to update---
  cfquery name=GetEventtoUpdate datasource=Events
 cachedwithin=#CreateTimeSpan(1,0,0,0)#
  SELECT
   Events.Title,
   Events.InterDesc,
   Events.IntraDesc,
   Events.PrintDesc,
   Events.PrintPub,
   Events.InterPub,
   Events.IntraPub,
   Events.Inactive,
   Events.Area,
   Events.Location,
   Events.Ticketed,
   Events.Kid,
   Events.Handicap,
   Events.Updatedon,
   Dates.BeginDate,
   Dates.EndDate,
   Times.EventTime,
   Times.Comment,
   Internet.BeginDate,
   Internet.EndDate,
   PPrint.BeginDate,
   PPrint.EndDate,
   Intranet.BeginDate,
   Intranet.EndDate
  FROM Events, Dates, Times, Internet, Intranet, PPrint
  WHERE Events.ID = #URL.ID#
  /cfquery
 
 
  In the updateaction file:
 
  cfquery name=UpdateEvent datasource=Events
  UPDATE Events, Dates, times, Internet, Intranet, PPrint
  SET
   Events.Title = '#form.title#',
   Events.InterDesc = '#form.InterDesc#',
   Events.IntraDesc = '#form.IntraDesc#',
   Events.PrintDesc = '#form.PrintDesc#',
   Events.InterPub = '#form.InterPub#',
   Events.IntraPub = '#form.IntraPub#',
   Events.PrintPub = '#form.PrintPub#',
   Events.Inactive = '#form.inactive#',
   Events.Area = '#form.Area#',
   Events.location = '#form.Location#',
   Events.Ticketed = '#form.Ticketed#',
   Events.Kid = '#form.Kid#',
   Events.Handicap = '#form.Handicap#',
   Events.Updatedon = '#form.Updatedon#',
   Times.EventTime = '#form.Times.EventTime#',
   Times.Comment = '#form.Comment#',
   Dates.BeginDate = '#form.Dates.BeginDate#',
   Dates.EndDate = '#form.Dates.EndDate#',
   PPrint.BeginDate = '#form.PPrint.BeginDate#',
   PPrint.EndDate = '#form.PPrint.EndDate#',
   Internet.BeginDate = '#form.Internet.BeginDate#',
   Internet.EndDate = '#form.Internet.EndDate#',
   Intranet.BeginDate = '#form.Intranet.BeginDate#',
   Intanet.EndDate = '#form.Intranet.EndDate#'
   WHERE Events.ID = #Dates.ID#
AND Events.ID = #Times.ID#
AND Events.ID = #Internet.ID#
AND Events.ID = #Intranet.ID#
AND Events.ID = #PPrint.ID#
  /cfquery
 
  In the event file that contains the Edit link to the updateform.cfm I
have
 this:
 
 a href=updateform.cfm?action=editID=#ID#Edit/a
 
  Thanks, I'm desparate for an answer tonight.
 
  Judy
 
 
 
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Re: Paypal Subscriptions...

[Roger B .]

On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:03:40 -0400, in cf-talk you wrote:

Please read the following articles and websites before you recommend, or
even imply that you recommend that your customer use PayPal's services.

Tim,

Everyone in business with anyone has a horror story or three... every
now and then, the stories even have some basis in fact. :) Personally,
I wouldn't hesitate to recommend Paypal to anyone who needs that type
of service.

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Re: too many forms

[Douglas Brown]

you would be writing it in the select query Judy.



Success is a journey, not a destination!!



Doug Brown
- Original Message -
From: Judy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 4:56 AM
Subject: Re: too many forms


 In which file do I write the join - the updateform that has the SELECT query
 or the updateaction form that has the UPDATE query?


 - Original Message -
 From: Douglas Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:22 PM
 Subject: Re: too many forms


  It has to do with how you are writing your query, if you have a table that
 has
  multiple data in a column then it is duplicating within the form. You more
 than
  likely need to do a join if you have relational tables.
 
 
  Success is a journey, not a destination!!
 
 
 
  Doug Brown
  - Original Message -
  From: Judy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 6:04 PM
  Subject: too many forms
 
 
   Can someone tell me why when I click aa link to bring up a form to
 update, I
  do get the correct form, but I get 25 copies of it - all containing the
 same
  information?
  
   Here's the queries I'm using:
   In the updateform file:
  
   !--- query to get an event to update---
   cfquery name=GetEventtoUpdate datasource=Events
  cachedwithin=#CreateTimeSpan(1,0,0,0)#
   SELECT
Events.Title,
Events.InterDesc,
Events.IntraDesc,
Events.PrintDesc,
Events.PrintPub,
Events.InterPub,
Events.IntraPub,
Events.Inactive,
Events.Area,
Events.Location,
Events.Ticketed,
Events.Kid,
Events.Handicap,
Events.Updatedon,
Dates.BeginDate,
Dates.EndDate,
Times.EventTime,
Times.Comment,
Internet.BeginDate,
Internet.EndDate,
PPrint.BeginDate,
PPrint.EndDate,
Intranet.BeginDate,
Intranet.EndDate
   FROM Events, Dates, Times, Internet, Intranet, PPrint
   WHERE Events.ID = #URL.ID#
   /cfquery
  
  
   In the updateaction file:
  
   cfquery name=UpdateEvent datasource=Events
   UPDATE Events, Dates, times, Internet, Intranet, PPrint
   SET
Events.Title = '#form.title#',
Events.InterDesc = '#form.InterDesc#',
Events.IntraDesc = '#form.IntraDesc#',
Events.PrintDesc = '#form.PrintDesc#',
Events.InterPub = '#form.InterPub#',
Events.IntraPub = '#form.IntraPub#',
Events.PrintPub = '#form.PrintPub#',
Events.Inactive = '#form.inactive#',
Events.Area = '#form.Area#',
Events.location = '#form.Location#',
Events.Ticketed = '#form.Ticketed#',
Events.Kid = '#form.Kid#',
Events.Handicap = '#form.Handicap#',
Events.Updatedon = '#form.Updatedon#',
Times.EventTime = '#form.Times.EventTime#',
Times.Comment = '#form.Comment#',
Dates.BeginDate = '#form.Dates.BeginDate#',
Dates.EndDate = '#form.Dates.EndDate#',
PPrint.BeginDate = '#form.PPrint.BeginDate#',
PPrint.EndDate = '#form.PPrint.EndDate#',
Internet.BeginDate = '#form.Internet.BeginDate#',
Internet.EndDate = '#form.Internet.EndDate#',
Intranet.BeginDate = '#form.Intranet.BeginDate#',
Intanet.EndDate = '#form.Intranet.EndDate#'
WHERE Events.ID = #Dates.ID#
 AND Events.ID = #Times.ID#
 AND Events.ID = #Internet.ID#
 AND Events.ID = #Intranet.ID#
 AND Events.ID = #PPrint.ID#
   /cfquery
  
   In the event file that contains the Edit link to the updateform.cfm I
 have
  this:
  
  a href=updateform.cfm?action=editID=#ID#Edit/a
  
   Thanks, I'm desparate for an answer tonight.
  
   Judy
  
  
 
 
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RE: CF and Business Logic

[Matt Liotta]

No, I was serious about trying to learn every language there is.
Although, you could avoid the strictly academic languages if time is an
issue. :)

-Matt

 -Original Message-
 From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 4:50 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: CF and Business Logic
 
  Do yourself a service and learn every language under the Sun ...
 
 Is this a subtle push in the direction of Java specifically?
 
 Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
 http://www.figleaf.com/
 voice: (202) 797-5496
 fax: (202) 797-5444
 
 
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IP to COuntry Mappings

[Brian Thornton]

Just a liitle add on folks,
You can check out iDefenses' list of coutrys to IP address listing at
http://www.idefense.com/Intell/CI022702.html This may be used in Echelon to
track locales of ip's

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Reading MP3 Header Info

[Greg Luce]

Has anyone used a com object or CFX to read or change the header info of an
MP3 file? I found this info about doing it with an ASP page. Just thought
I'd ask before I start digging in to it today.


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RE: IP to COuntry Mappings

[WebSite CFtalk]

Nice!, 

Would be a nice thing for UDF or WebService

:)

-Original Message-
From: Brian Thornton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 20. april 2002 17:52
To: CF-Talk
Subject: IP to COuntry Mappings


Just a liitle add on folks,
You can check out iDefenses' list of coutrys to IP address listing at
http://www.idefense.com/Intell/CI022702.html This may be used in Echelon
to track locales of ip's


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CF Certification Test

[Double Down]

I have the Developers Study Guide for the 4.5 test. Will this do to pass
the current test or do I need to buy the new book.
 
TIA
 
HB
 


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RE: CF Certification Test

[Kwang Suh]

The new book is very similar (I have both), but there are some chapters on
the new features of CF5.  You'd probably still do well however if you know
UDFs.

-Original Message-
From: Double Down [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 12:05 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CF Certification Test


I have the Developers Study Guide for the 4.5 test. Will this do to pass
the current test or do I need to buy the new book.

TIA

HB




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Re: Paypal Subscriptions...

[Bud]

On 4/19/02, Rafael (Alan Bleiweiss penned:
This is a seperate and more serious issue regarding PayPal and ALL third
party card services - It was announced this week and reported over the wire
services today that Mastercard is about to make a final decision on whether
to discontinue allowing ANY third party processors to process payments of
Mastercards!

What is their definition of third party processor. Would that include 
Authorize.net and the like?

I do agree it would be best to discontinue letting PayPal process any 
credit cards as their system is becoming abusive. They take funds 
from merchant bank accounts without so much as a warning, let alone 
any sort of dispute process. I would NEVER recommend PayPal to anyone 
and strongly discourage my clients from using them.
-- 

Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations

_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development
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RE: Reading MP3 Header Info

[Ken Wilson]

Haven't used it but...

http://www.intrafoundation.com/freeware.html#cfx_audioinfo

This Allaire ColdFusion extension tag, CFX_AudioInfo will scan either a
single file or an entire folder, looking for audio files of mp3, wav, au and
midi format. From these files it will gather up all manner of information
such as song title, author, compression type, bitrate, song length, etc.
Works with ColdFusion version 3.1 and up.

The source code to this program is (and always has been) included. Compiles
for NT only at the moment.

-Original Message-
From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 1:49 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Reading MP3 Header Info


Has anyone used a com object or CFX to read or change the header info of an
MP3 file? I found this info about doing it with an ASP page. Just thought
I'd ask before I start digging in to it today.



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Re: Reading MP3 Header Info

[Jim Priest]

Check out:

http://www.intrafoundation.com/freeware.html

scroll down for cfx_audioinfo

This Allaire ColdFusion extension tag, CFX_AudioInfo will scan either
a single file or an entire folder, looking for audio files of mp3, wav, au and midi 
format. From these files it will gather up all manner of information such as song 
title, author, compression type, bitrate, song length, etc. Works with ColdFusion 
version 3.1 and up.

note though in the version history he also mentions:
0.4a Dec 18th 2001. This tag is about to become obsolete soon anyway.

jim


On Saturday, April 20, 2002, 1:49:08 PM, Greg wrote:

GL Has anyone used a com object or CFX to read or change the header info of an
GL MP3 file? I found this info about doing it with an ASP page. Just thought
GL I'd ask before I start digging in to it today.

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RE: IP to COuntry Mappings

[Matt Liotta]

This data is mostly crap. It is simply impossible to determine a remote
computer's location via IP. Worse still, this company didn't even attack
the problem as best they could. They used network owner information as
the basis of location. Just because some company's mailing address is in
Vienna, VA and they assigned me an IP doesn't mean I am in Vienna, VA.

-Matt

 -Original Message-
 From: WebSite CFtalk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 10:48 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: IP to COuntry Mappings
 
 Nice!,
 
 Would be a nice thing for UDF or WebService
 
 :)
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Brian Thornton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 20. april 2002 17:52
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: IP to COuntry Mappings
 
 
 Just a liitle add on folks,
 You can check out iDefenses' list of coutrys to IP address listing at
 http://www.idefense.com/Intell/CI022702.html This may be used in
Echelon
 to track locales of ip's
 
 
 
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Programmatically adding an IP to debugging....

[Neil H.]

I want to add debugging for my IP and since Comcast took over I can't keep
an ip.  I want to be able to add the IP to the system if it doesn't exist.
Its for my beta stuff so it shouldn't be a risk...

Thanks,

Neil

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RE: Programmatically adding an IP to debugging....

[Pete Freitag]

you can use CFREGISTRY to add and delete keys in
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Allaire\ColdFusion\CurrentVersion\Debug\DebugIPL
ist

+
Pete Freitag ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
CTO, CFDEV.COM
ColdFusion Developer Resources
http://www.cfdev.com/


-Original Message-
From: Neil H. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 2:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Programmatically adding an IP to debugging


I want to add debugging for my IP and since Comcast took over I can't keep
an ip.  I want to be able to add the IP to the system if it doesn't exist.
Its for my beta stuff so it shouldn't be a risk...

Thanks,

Neil


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Re: CF and Business Logic

[Douglas Brown]

H wonder if I could do that in my life time. What a resume it would be
though.

C
C#
C++
Javascript
java
php
asp
coldfusion
perl
delphi
mfc
vb
assembly
pascal
html
xml
jsp
actionscript






Success is a journey, not a destination!!



Doug Brown
- Original Message -
From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 8:41 AM
Subject: RE: CF and Business Logic


 No, I was serious about trying to learn every language there is.
 Although, you could avoid the strictly academic languages if time is an
 issue. :)

 -Matt

  -Original Message-
  From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 4:50 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: CF and Business Logic
 
   Do yourself a service and learn every language under the Sun ...
 
  Is this a subtle push in the direction of Java specifically?
 
  Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
  http://www.figleaf.com/
  voice: (202) 797-5496
  fax: (202) 797-5444
 
 
 
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RE: Programmatically adding an IP to debugging....

[E C list]

Hi Neil,

I think this short script should take care of it.  I
run this script as my home page when I first open
Internet Explorer.  It uses an undocumented function
to refresh ColdFusion so you won't have to restart:

!--- Update the registry with the current IP: ---
CFREGISTRY ACTION = set  
ENTRY=#CGI.Remote_ADDR# 
TYPE=String
BRANCH=
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Allaire\ColdFusion\CurrentVersion\Debug\DebugIPList

!--- Use the undocumented CF Server refresh  ---
CFSET CFUSION_SETTINGS_REFRESH() 

-Original Message-
From: Neil H. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 2:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Programmatically adding an IP to
debugging


I want to add debugging for my IP and since Comcast
took over I can't keep
an ip.  I want to be able to add the IP to the system
if it doesn't exist.
Its for my beta stuff so it shouldn't be a risk...

Thanks,

Neil


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Re: IP to COuntry Mappings

[Brian Thornton]

The advantage to this product as a intelligence device is to determine on a
minimal scale a person specific locale. This is not helpful for a single AOL
dialup user, or for a large corporate effort but more to determine paths of
streams in a distributive computing method model.

BusinessWeek compiled a nice article describing such, better than I ever
could.
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/mar2002/nf20020312_9960.htm

-Brian
- Original Message -
From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 2:38 PM
Subject: RE: IP to COuntry Mappings


 This data is mostly crap. It is simply impossible to determine a remote
 computer's location via IP. Worse still, this company didn't even attack
 the problem as best they could. They used network owner information as
 the basis of location. Just because some company's mailing address is in
 Vienna, VA and they assigned me an IP doesn't mean I am in Vienna, VA.

 -Matt

  -Original Message-
  From: WebSite CFtalk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 10:48 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: IP to COuntry Mappings
 
  Nice!,
 
  Would be a nice thing for UDF or WebService
 
  :)
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Brian Thornton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: 20. april 2002 17:52
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: IP to COuntry Mappings
 
 
  Just a liitle add on folks,
  You can check out iDefenses' list of coutrys to IP address listing at
  http://www.idefense.com/Intell/CI022702.html This may be used in
 Echelon
  to track locales of ip's
 
 
 
 
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RE: CF and Business Logic

[Mike Brunt]

Doug, you forgot cp/m (and so did Bill Gates!) and yes what a bloody resume.

Kind Regards - Mike Brunt, CTO
Webapper
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Downey CA Office
Webapper - Making the NET work


-Original Message-
From: Douglas Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 12:12 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF and Business Logic


H wonder if I could do that in my life time. What a resume it would be
though.

C
C#
C++
Javascript
java
php
asp
coldfusion
perl
delphi
mfc
vb
assembly
pascal
html
xml
jsp
actionscript






Success is a journey, not a destination!!



Doug Brown
- Original Message -
From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 8:41 AM
Subject: RE: CF and Business Logic


 No, I was serious about trying to learn every language there is.
 Although, you could avoid the strictly academic languages if time is an
 issue. :)

 -Matt

  -Original Message-
  From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 4:50 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: CF and Business Logic
 
   Do yourself a service and learn every language under the Sun ...
 
  Is this a subtle push in the direction of Java specifically?
 
  Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
  http://www.figleaf.com/
  voice: (202) 797-5496
  fax: (202) 797-5444
 
 


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RE: CF and Business Logic

[Matt Liotta]

You would be surprised. I have found that once you understand C and C++
well, you can learn any language in a matter of weeks.

My current list of languages I have proficiency with is as follows.

C, C++, C#, J#, VB, VB.NET, VBA, ColdFusion, Java, JavaScript, Jscript,
VBscript, ASP, ASP.NET, PHP, TCL, PERL, AWK, SH, BASH, HTML, XHTML, XML,
XSL, PL/SQL, T-SQL

More recently I have started playing with Python, Ruby, and Eiffel. And
when I am looking to stretch my mind into AI territory, I play with
Lisp, Scheme, and Prolog.

-Matt

 -Original Message-
 From: Douglas Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 12:12 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: CF and Business Logic
 
 H wonder if I could do that in my life time. What a resume it
would be
 though.
 
 C
 C#
 C++
 Javascript
 java
 php
 asp
 coldfusion
 perl
 delphi
 mfc
 vb
 assembly
 pascal
 html
 xml
 jsp
 actionscript
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Success is a journey, not a destination!!
 
 
 
 Doug Brown
 - Original Message -
 From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 8:41 AM
 Subject: RE: CF and Business Logic
 
 
  No, I was serious about trying to learn every language there is.
  Although, you could avoid the strictly academic languages if time is
an
  issue. :)
 
  -Matt
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 4:50 AM
   To: CF-Talk
   Subject: RE: CF and Business Logic
  
Do yourself a service and learn every language under the Sun ...
  
   Is this a subtle push in the direction of Java specifically?
  
   Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
   http://www.figleaf.com/
   voice: (202) 797-5496
   fax: (202) 797-5444
  
  
 
 
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Flash was RE: IP to COuntry Mappings

[Mike Brunt]

The Flash on this page is quite something also very good article.

Kind Regards - Mike Brunt, CTO
Webapper
http://www.webapper.com
Downey CA Office
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-Original Message-
From: Brian Thornton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 12:33 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: IP to COuntry Mappings


The advantage to this product as a intelligence device is to determine on a
minimal scale a person specific locale. This is not helpful for a single AOL
dialup user, or for a large corporate effort but more to determine paths of
streams in a distributive computing method model.

BusinessWeek compiled a nice article describing such, better than I ever
could.
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/mar2002/nf20020312_9960.htm



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RE: IP to COuntry Mappings

[Matt Liotta]

Again I say it is impossible. There are tons of transparent proxy
servers on the Internet that hide a person's real IP address. Further,
anyone who is purposely trying to hide will make sure to hop through N
number of proxies in X number of networks.

-Matt

 -Original Message-
 From: Brian Thornton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 12:33 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: IP to COuntry Mappings
 
 The advantage to this product as a intelligence device is to determine
on
 a
 minimal scale a person specific locale. This is not helpful for a
single
 AOL
 dialup user, or for a large corporate effort but more to determine
paths
 of
 streams in a distributive computing method model.
 
 BusinessWeek compiled a nice article describing such, better than I
ever
 could.

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/mar2002/nf20020312_9960.htm
 
 -Brian
 - Original Message -
 From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 2:38 PM
 Subject: RE: IP to COuntry Mappings
 
 
  This data is mostly crap. It is simply impossible to determine a
remote
  computer's location via IP. Worse still, this company didn't even
attack
  the problem as best they could. They used network owner information
as
  the basis of location. Just because some company's mailing address
is in
  Vienna, VA and they assigned me an IP doesn't mean I am in Vienna,
VA.
 
  -Matt
 
   -Original Message-
   From: WebSite CFtalk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 10:48 AM
   To: CF-Talk
   Subject: RE: IP to COuntry Mappings
  
   Nice!,
  
   Would be a nice thing for UDF or WebService
  
   :)
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Brian Thornton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: 20. april 2002 17:52
   To: CF-Talk
   Subject: IP to COuntry Mappings
  
  
   Just a liitle add on folks,
   You can check out iDefenses' list of coutrys to IP address listing
at
   http://www.idefense.com/Intell/CI022702.html This may be used in
  Echelon
   to track locales of ip's
  
  
  
 
 
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Re: Paypal Subscriptions...

[Rafael (Alan Bleiweiss)]

At 02:24 PM 04/20/2002 -0400, you wrote:
What is their definition of third party processor. Would that include
Authorize.net and the like?


So far as I have been able to read into this, and this is only my take on 
it (mastercard isn't talking with anyone as lowly as a little web dev 
company), it's strictly companies that act as the payee on the 
card.  Authorize.net and most processors simply act as the conduit.  If you 
have a commerce site and the charges appear on the visitor's card under 
YOURCOMPANY, Mastercard is fine with that.  If, however, The site is 
YOURCOMPANY, and the charges appear as PAYPAL who in turn pays 
YOURCOMPANY, that's where the issue lies. It is about accountability.


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RE: CF and Business Logic

[Venable, John]

Matt,

Define Proficient.

John Venable

-Original Message-
From: Matt Liotta
To: CF-Talk
Sent: 4/20/02 3:40 PM
Subject: RE: CF and Business Logic

You would be surprised. I have found that once you understand C and C++
well, you can learn any language in a matter of weeks.

My current list of languages I have proficiency with is as follows.

C, C++, C#, J#, VB, VB.NET, VBA, ColdFusion, Java, JavaScript, Jscript,
VBscript, ASP, ASP.NET, PHP, TCL, PERL, AWK, SH, BASH, HTML, XHTML, XML,
XSL, PL/SQL, T-SQL

More recently I have started playing with Python, Ruby, and Eiffel. And
when I am looking to stretch my mind into AI territory, I play with
Lisp, Scheme, and Prolog.

-Matt

 -Original Message-
 From: Douglas Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 12:12 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: CF and Business Logic
 
 H wonder if I could do that in my life time. What a resume it
would be
 though.
 
 C
 C#
 C++
 Javascript
 java
 php
 asp
 coldfusion
 perl
 delphi
 mfc
 vb
 assembly
 pascal
 html
 xml
 jsp
 actionscript
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Success is a journey, not a destination!!
 
 
 
 Doug Brown
 - Original Message -
 From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 8:41 AM
 Subject: RE: CF and Business Logic
 
 
  No, I was serious about trying to learn every language there is.
  Although, you could avoid the strictly academic languages if time is
an
  issue. :)
 
  -Matt
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 4:50 AM
   To: CF-Talk
   Subject: RE: CF and Business Logic
  
Do yourself a service and learn every language under the Sun ...
  
   Is this a subtle push in the direction of Java specifically?
  
   Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
   http://www.figleaf.com/
   voice: (202) 797-5496
   fax: (202) 797-5444
  
  
 
 

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RE: CF and Business Logic

[Matt Liotta]

Proficient

\Pro*ficient\, a. Well advanced in any branch of knowledge or skill;
possessed of considerable acquirements; well-skilled; versed; adept, 
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, C 1996, 1998 MICRA,
Inc.

Heh!

Seriously, though. What I mean by proficient is that I could be given an
assignment and complete it to specification without assistance in a
reasonable amount of time. IMHO, someone who is not proficient would
require assistance of some kind. While, someone who has mastered a skill
is not only proficient, but can teach the skill to others and often can
further the knowledge of one's peers. Contrary to the popular phrase,
jack of all trades, master of none, it is possible as a software
engineer to master many different languages. I in fact have mastered
many of the before mentioned skills and can be found teaching them at my
local user groups or various industry conferences as well as writing
technical how-to articles.

If you interested you can see a list of my speaking engagements and
articles on my web site, http://devilm.com, which proves that I DON'T
have proficiency in visual design!

-Matt

 -Original Message-
 From: Venable, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 1:04 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: CF and Business Logic
 
 Matt,
 
 Define Proficient.
 
 John Venable
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Matt Liotta
 To: CF-Talk
 Sent: 4/20/02 3:40 PM
 Subject: RE: CF and Business Logic
 
 You would be surprised. I have found that once you understand C and
C++
 well, you can learn any language in a matter of weeks.
 
 My current list of languages I have proficiency with is as follows.
 
 C, C++, C#, J#, VB, VB.NET, VBA, ColdFusion, Java, JavaScript,
Jscript,
 VBscript, ASP, ASP.NET, PHP, TCL, PERL, AWK, SH, BASH, HTML, XHTML,
XML,
 XSL, PL/SQL, T-SQL
 
 More recently I have started playing with Python, Ruby, and Eiffel.
And
 when I am looking to stretch my mind into AI territory, I play with
 Lisp, Scheme, and Prolog.
 
 -Matt
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Douglas Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 12:12 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: CF and Business Logic
 
  H wonder if I could do that in my life time. What a resume it
 would be
  though.
 
  C
  C#
  C++
  Javascript
  java
  php
  asp
  coldfusion
  perl
  delphi
  mfc
  vb
  assembly
  pascal
  html
  xml
  jsp
  actionscript
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Success is a journey, not a destination!!
 
 
 
  Doug Brown
  - Original Message -
  From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 8:41 AM
  Subject: RE: CF and Business Logic
 
 
   No, I was serious about trying to learn every language there is.
   Although, you could avoid the strictly academic languages if time
is
 an
   issue. :)
  
   -Matt
  
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 4:50 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF and Business Logic
   
 Do yourself a service and learn every language under the Sun
..
   
Is this a subtle push in the direction of Java specifically?
   
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
voice: (202) 797-5496
fax: (202) 797-5444
   
   
  
 
 
 
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filename in code documentation - WHY?!

[Gyrus]

Just curious...

Every instance of code documentation (i.e. comments at the head of CF
tags describing author, function, variables, etc.) I've seen has
'filename' included.

Any reason? Surely it's spurious, the filename being kind of obvious if
you've got to the stage of reading the file's contents. Very curious to
know if there's a rationale, some coding situation I've yet to encounter
that makes this bit of documentation useful, or if it's just convention
and more RSI ;-)

- Gyrus


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Re: filename in code documentation - WHY?!

[Dave Carabetta]

 Just curious...

 Every instance of code documentation (i.e. comments at the head of CF
 tags describing author, function, variables, etc.) I've seen has
 'filename' included.

 Any reason? Surely it's spurious, the filename being kind of obvious if
 you've got to the stage of reading the file's contents. Very curious to
 know if there's a rationale, some coding situation I've yet to encounter
 that makes this bit of documentation useful, or if it's just convention
 and more RSI ;-)

In a purely textual header? Probably not much of a need. However, there are
tools such as Fusedocs where you write the header information in XML and can
later use utilities to parse through your headers and auto-generate
documentation. I find that extremely useful.

But I would say you have a good point, though. If you've opened the file,
you probably know what it's name is!

Regards,
Dave.
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Re: IP to COuntry Mappings

[Paul Hastings]

 minimal scale a person specific locale. This is not helpful for a single
AOL

you can that (locale) for free from CGI.HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE from
most browsers.




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DB problem

[Patric Stumpe]

Hi fellows,

I'm stumbling about an SQL-error.

I'm just trying to insert some stupid news-ticker-data to an acces-db,
but the following error appears:

ODBC Error Code = 37000 (Syntax error or access violation)


[Microsoft][ODBC Microsoft Access Driver] Syntaxfehler in der INSERT INTO-Anweisung.


SQL = INSERT INTO news (text, startdatum, enddatum, aktiv) VALUES ('test-news', {ts 
'2002-04-20 00:00:00'}, {ts '2002-05-20 00:00:00'}, 1)

Data Source = MAX_FORUM


The error occurred while processing an element with a general
identifier of (CFQUERY), occupying document position (6:2) to (6:51)
in the template file D:\inetpub\site\_admin\action_news.cfm.
--

My action looks like this:
--
 cfset startdatum = CreateODBCDateTime(CreateDate(#form.startjahr#, 
#form.startmonat#, #form.starttag#))
 cfset enddatum   = CreateODBCDateTime(CreateDate(#form.endjahr#, #form.endmonat#, 
#form.endtag#))

 cfquery name=insertNews datasource=max_forum
INSERT INTO news(text, startdatum, enddatum, aktiv)
VALUES  ('#HTMLEditFormat(form.text)#', #startdatum#, #enddatum#, 
#form.aktiv#)
 /cfquery
-


The db-fields are defined as these:

TABLE news
  id (Auto)
  text (MEMO)
  startdatum (DateTime)
  enddatum (DateTime)
  aktiv (BIT)


Any ideas


-- 
best regards

Patric Stumpe  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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RE: DB problem

[Mike Brunt]

Patric, what is the data type of the startdatum and enddatum fields in the
Access DB Table?

Kind Regards - Mike Brunt, CTO
Webapper
http://www.webapper.com
Downey CA Office
Webapper - Making the NET work


-Original Message-
From: Patric Stumpe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 2:47 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: DB problem


Hi fellows,

I'm stumbling about an SQL-error.

I'm just trying to insert some stupid news-ticker-data to an acces-db,
but the following error appears:

ODBC Error Code = 37000 (Syntax error or access violation)


[Microsoft][ODBC Microsoft Access Driver] Syntaxfehler in der INSERT
INTO-Anweisung.


SQL = INSERT INTO news (text, startdatum, enddatum, aktiv) VALUES
('test-news', {ts '2002-04-20 00:00:00'}, {ts '2002-05-20 00:00:00'}, 1)

Data Source = MAX_FORUM


The error occurred while processing an element with a general
identifier of (CFQUERY), occupying document position (6:2) to (6:51)
in the template file D:\inetpub\site\_admin\action_news.cfm.
--

My action looks like this:
--
 cfset startdatum = CreateODBCDateTime(CreateDate(#form.startjahr#,
#form.startmonat#, #form.starttag#))
 cfset enddatum   = CreateODBCDateTime(CreateDate(#form.endjahr#,
#form.endmonat#, #form.endtag#))

 cfquery name=insertNews datasource=max_forum
INSERT INTO news(text, startdatum, enddatum, aktiv)
VALUES  ('#HTMLEditFormat(form.text)#', #startdatum#,
#enddatum#, #form.aktiv#)
 /cfquery
-


The db-fields are defined as these:

TABLE news
  id (Auto)
  text (MEMO)
  startdatum (DateTime)
  enddatum (DateTime)
  aktiv (BIT)


Any ideas


--
best regards

Patric Stumpe  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: DB problem

[Justin Scott]

Avoid using generic table and column names (such as text) if at all
possible.  If you MUST, enclose it in brackets [] so that the driver will
know you mean a table/column name instead of a data type.

-Justin Scott, Lead Developer
 Sceiron Internet Services, Inc.
 http://www.sceiron.com


- Original Message -
From: Patric Stumpe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 5:46 PM
Subject: DB problem


 Hi fellows,

 I'm stumbling about an SQL-error.

 I'm just trying to insert some stupid news-ticker-data to an acces-db,
 but the following error appears:
 
 ODBC Error Code = 37000 (Syntax error or access violation)


 [Microsoft][ODBC Microsoft Access Driver] Syntaxfehler in der INSERT
INTO-Anweisung.


 SQL = INSERT INTO news (text, startdatum, enddatum, aktiv) VALUES
('test-news', {ts '2002-04-20 00:00:00'}, {ts '2002-05-20 00:00:00'}, 1)

 Data Source = MAX_FORUM


 The error occurred while processing an element with a general
 identifier of (CFQUERY), occupying document position (6:2) to (6:51)
 in the template file D:\inetpub\site\_admin\action_news.cfm.
 --

 My action looks like this:
 --
  cfset startdatum = CreateODBCDateTime(CreateDate(#form.startjahr#,
#form.startmonat#, #form.starttag#))
  cfset enddatum   = CreateODBCDateTime(CreateDate(#form.endjahr#,
#form.endmonat#, #form.endtag#))

  cfquery name=insertNews datasource=max_forum
 INSERT INTO news(text, startdatum, enddatum, aktiv)
 VALUES  ('#HTMLEditFormat(form.text)#', #startdatum#,
#enddatum#, #form.aktiv#)
  /cfquery
 -


 The db-fields are defined as these:

 TABLE news
   id (Auto)
   text (MEMO)
   startdatum (DateTime)
   enddatum (DateTime)
   aktiv (BIT)


 Any ideas


 --
 best regards

 Patric Stumpe  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 
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Re[2]: DB problem

[Patric Stumpe]

Hi Justin,

that's what it all was about :(

too late for me today :)

Big thanks

JS Avoid using generic table and column names (such as text) if at all
JS possible.  If you MUST, enclose it in brackets [] so that the driver will
JS know you mean a table/column name instead of a data type.

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RE: CF and Business Logic

[stas]

Can't the languages you list here be folded into 4-5 language families
though? VB, VB.Net, VBA, VBScript as one example? All you need to know
these is to be very comfortable with the syntax and have a reference on
each.

-Original Message-
From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 

My current list of languages I have proficiency with is as follows.

C, C++, C#, J#, VB, VB.NET, VBA, ColdFusion, Java, JavaScript, Jscript,
VBscript, ASP, ASP.NET, PHP, TCL, PERL, AWK, SH, BASH, HTML, XHTML, XML,
XSL, PL/SQL, T-SQL

More recently I have started playing with Python, Ruby, and Eiffel. And
when I am looking to stretch my mind into AI territory, I play with
Lisp, Scheme, and Prolog.

-Matt


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Re: CF and Business Logic

[Alex]

I think Matt is right in saying try to learn every language you can.
You do not have to be a guru and know every little thing about the
language but you should be productive with it. If you really know how to
program then learning a new language shouldn't be difficult. 
 

On Sat, 20 Apr 2002, Douglas Brown wrote:

 H wonder if I could do that in my life time. What a resume it would be
 though.
 
 C
 C#
 C++
 Javascript
 java
 php
 asp
 coldfusion
 perl
 delphi
 mfc
 vb
 assembly
 pascal
 html
 xml
 jsp
 actionscript
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Success is a journey, not a destination!!
 
 
 
 Doug Brown
 - Original Message -
 From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 8:41 AM
 Subject: RE: CF and Business Logic
 
 
  No, I was serious about trying to learn every language there is.
  Although, you could avoid the strictly academic languages if time is an
  issue. :)
 
  -Matt
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 4:50 AM
   To: CF-Talk
   Subject: RE: CF and Business Logic
  
Do yourself a service and learn every language under the Sun ...
  
   Is this a subtle push in the direction of Java specifically?
  
   Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
   http://www.figleaf.com/
   voice: (202) 797-5496
   fax: (202) 797-5444
  
  
  
 
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RE: CF and Business Logic

[Jeff Whatcott]

In the US, every cabinet-level federal agency, both houses of Congress, and many sites 
in the Judicial branch use ColdFusion.  Of course this info may or may not be helpful 
in selling to the Canadian government ;-)

For an afternoon of fun, try the following Google query: allinurl: .cfm site:.gov


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Director, ColdFusion Business Team / Macromedia, Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] / tel : 617-219-2510 / fax : 509-356-6130 



-Original Message-
From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 1:04 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF and Business Logic


A quick search on alltheweb for .cfm and .gov returns...

http://www.state.gov/documents/ContactUs.cfm 
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/events/autismgrant.cfm 
http://www.senate.gov/contacting/index.cfm 
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/recalls/recmmy1.cfm
http://www.hud.gov/buying/index.cfm 
http://www.voa.gov/pronunciations/index.cfm
http://spacekids.hq.nasa.gov/2001/nameform.cfm
http://www.peacecorps.gov/indexf.cfm
http://www.courts.wa.gov/forms/list.cfm 
http://www.federalreserve.gov/careers/default.cfm
http://www.act.gov.au/tourism.cfm 
http://astrobiology.arc.nasa.gov/index.cfm
http://www.muni.org/homepage/index.cfm
http://www.grad.usda.gov/info_for/fulbright.cfm
http://www.ausaid.gov.au/youtham/become.cfm 

Prob nothing new here, but it gives you some names.

Jerry Johnson

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/19/02 11:40AM 
Yves can you fire me some links to those Canadian Gov. sites that have switched.  I 
know of a few Federal ones, but that's about it.  I'm trying to make a push for CF in 
the govt. so any precedence settings sites would be handy.

TIA

Bryan Stevenson
VP  Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
p. 250.920.8830
e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
-
Macromedia Associate Partner
www.macromedia.com 
-
Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group
Founder  Director
www.cfug-vancouverisland.com 

- Original Message -
From: Yves Arsenault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: CF and Business Logic


 Some of the Canadian Gov sites have been switching from ASP to 
 CFif a Governments needs are not considered to be in a high 
 Business Logic category. ??

 Yves
 - Original Message -
 From: Venable, John [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:39 AM
 Subject: RE: CF and Business Logic


  That feels much better. I'm about an intermediate CF programmer and 
  I was wondering if maybe I just hadn't done anything serious... I 
  kinda had a feeling this was just prejudice, but I wanted to check 
  with some more experienced folks.
 
  Thanks for the feedback.
 
  John
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Kevin Langevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:32 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: CF and Business Logic
 
 
  I doubt he can back up his statement...I've never encountered 
  anything
 that
  couldn't be done from a business logic standpoint with ColdFusion.  
  Unless he can support it, I'd leave him just as he is...a potential.
 
 
  Kevin Langevin
  Flying Chimp Media
  954-585-0999
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  http://www.FlyingChimp.com 
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Venable, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:17 AM
   To: CF-Talk
   Subject: CF and Business Logic
  
  
   More of a philosophical question. I was meeting with a potential 
   subcontractor the other day and he made the remark that once you 
   get
 into
   serious business logic, cold fusion is kinda hokey. Anyone care 
   to possibly elaborate on what he might've meant? Or is this just 
   another one of those anti-CF prejudices?
  
   Just wondering,
  
   John Venable
  
 
 
 


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RE: CF and Business Logic

[Bud]

On 4/20/02, stas penned:
My current list of languages I have proficiency with is as follows.

C, C++, C#, J#, VB, VB.NET, VBA, ColdFusion, Java, JavaScript, Jscript,
VBscript, ASP, ASP.NET, PHP, TCL, PERL, AWK, SH, BASH, HTML, XHTML, XML,
XSL, PL/SQL, T-SQL

Sheesh. I barely have English mastered. LOL
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_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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954.721.3452
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RE: CF and Business Logic

[John Wilker]

But boiling them down is a much less impressive list :-)

J. 
 
John Wilker
Web Applications Consultant, and Author
Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Developer
President/Founder, Inland Empire CFUG.
www.red-omega.com
 
Life is an opportunity, benefit from it. Life is a promise, fulfill it.
Life is life, fight for it. 


-Original Message-
From: stas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 3:21 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF and Business Logic


Can't the languages you list here be folded into 4-5 language families
though? VB, VB.Net, VBA, VBScript as one example? All you need to know
these is to be very comfortable with the syntax and have a reference on
each.

-Original Message-
From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 

My current list of languages I have proficiency with is as follows.

C, C++, C#, J#, VB, VB.NET, VBA, ColdFusion, Java, JavaScript, Jscript,
VBscript, ASP, ASP.NET, PHP, TCL, PERL, AWK, SH, BASH, HTML, XHTML, XML,
XSL, PL/SQL, T-SQL

More recently I have started playing with Python, Ruby, and Eiffel. And
when I am looking to stretch my mind into AI territory, I play with
Lisp, Scheme, and Prolog.

-Matt



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New CFUG forming in Fayetteville, NC

[Tim Heald]

Evening,

I have gotten approval from Macromedia to start a new ColdFusion User Group
in Fayetteville, NC.  Presently we have only 4 members (all of whom I work
with), however I know there are more people using CF in the area, and there
was some interest on the CCFUG mailing list about having meetings in
Fayetteville.  We are already being sponsored by Schoollink, Inc.  which is
by the way my employer (don't want to have any conflicts of interest).  They
have agreed to let us use their training lab which consists of 15
workstations, a trainers station, projector, huge white board, as well as
hosting the FCFUG website, and some demo space on a training server for
presentations and stuff.

We are currently in the process of registering the name and building a web
site.  The launch of the CFUG is not official until the site is up and
running, and so that is one reason I am making this announcement.  We are
looking for people who would be able to help with any facet of running the
CFUG, from list management, to site design, meeting planning or speaking.
All are welcome.

I would also like to say we are not trying in any way to take from the
CCFUG in Chapel Hill, it is just a bit to far for some of us to travel, but
we look forward to being able to do joint meetings eventually both in
person, and over the net.  I will also still be making every effort to
attend when possible.  Plus we are going to make sure never to schedule an
event on a day planned by the group at Chapel Hill.

If you are interested please respond to this post off list, as I wouldn't
want to anger any of the people that this doesn't pertain to.

Ok well I will be signing off now.  I hope to hear from you all soon.   I
would like to take this opportunity to thank Ken Beard for making available
his CFUG's site, it will give us something to put up in the interim while we
build a FB 3 site.  BTW in case you haven't taken a look at it, it has some
really great FB 2 stuff in it that never really made sense to me until I
started using his app.

Ok well night all.

Tim Heald
ACP/CCFD
Application Development
www.schoollink.net

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Re: RE: CF and Business Logic

[subs.halcrow]

I dunno...

I've done some pretty huge commercial sites with CF and heard no complaints...

In fact, I've just finished the largest of legal firms in the UK (and I mean, THE 
largest!)...they didn't complain - in fact, they were more than happy.

It's bound in with SQL Server 2K, but running fully functional over SSL and including 
almost anything you can name...then some :o)

I think there's some pretty big players in the CF market.  If your client doesn't 
sound serious enough, point him in the direction of a few clients already using CF.  
If that doesn't persuade him, I'd put him on hold and wait until he smells the 
coffee...

Si.

 
 From: Jeff Whatcott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 19:28:48 -0400
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: CF and Business Logic
 
 In the US, every cabinet-level federal agency, both houses of Congress, and many 
sites in the Judicial branch use ColdFusion.  Of course this info may or may not be 
helpful in selling to the Canadian government ;-)
 
 For an afternoon of fun, try the following Google query: allinurl: .cfm site:.gov
 
 
 Jeff Whatcott
 Director, ColdFusion Business Team / Macromedia, Inc.
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] / tel : 617-219-2510 / fax : 509-356-6130 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 1:04 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: CF and Business Logic
 
 
 A quick search on alltheweb for .cfm and .gov returns...
 
 http://www.state.gov/documents/ContactUs.cfm 
 http://www.nimh.nih.gov/events/autismgrant.cfm 
 http://www.senate.gov/contacting/index.cfm 
 http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/recalls/recmmy1.cfm
 http://www.hud.gov/buying/index.cfm 
 http://www.voa.gov/pronunciations/index.cfm
 http://spacekids.hq.nasa.gov/2001/nameform.cfm
 http://www.peacecorps.gov/indexf.cfm
 http://www.courts.wa.gov/forms/list.cfm 
 http://www.federalreserve.gov/careers/default.cfm
 http://www.act.gov.au/tourism.cfm 
 http://astrobiology.arc.nasa.gov/index.cfm
 http://www.muni.org/homepage/index.cfm
 http://www.grad.usda.gov/info_for/fulbright.cfm
 http://www.ausaid.gov.au/youtham/become.cfm 
 
 Prob nothing new here, but it gives you some names.
 
 Jerry Johnson
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/19/02 11:40AM 
 Yves can you fire me some links to those Canadian Gov. sites that have switched.  I 
know of a few Federal ones, but that's about it.  I'm trying to make a push for CF in 
the govt. so any precedence settings sites would be handy.
 
 TIA
 
 Bryan Stevenson
 VP  Director of E-Commerce Development
 Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
 p. 250.920.8830
 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 -
 Macromedia Associate Partner
 www.macromedia.com 
 -
 Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group
 Founder  Director
 www.cfug-vancouverisland.com 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Yves Arsenault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 8:02 AM
 Subject: Re: CF and Business Logic
 
 
  Some of the Canadian Gov sites have been switching from ASP to 
  CFif a Governments needs are not considered to be in a high 
  Business Logic category. ??
 
  Yves
  - Original Message -
  From: Venable, John [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:39 AM
  Subject: RE: CF and Business Logic
 
 
   That feels much better. I'm about an intermediate CF programmer and 
   I was wondering if maybe I just hadn't done anything serious... I 
   kinda had a feeling this was just prejudice, but I wanted to check 
   with some more experienced folks.
  
   Thanks for the feedback.
  
   John
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Kevin Langevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:32 AM
   To: CF-Talk
   Subject: RE: CF and Business Logic
  
  
   I doubt he can back up his statement...I've never encountered 
   anything
  that
   couldn't be done from a business logic standpoint with ColdFusion.  
   Unless he can support it, I'd leave him just as he is...a potential.
  
  
   Kevin Langevin
   Flying Chimp Media
   954-585-0999
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   http://www.FlyingChimp.com 
  
-Original Message-
From: Venable, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:17 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CF and Business Logic
   
   
More of a philosophical question. I was meeting with a potential 
subcontractor the other day and he made the remark that once you 
get
  into
serious business logic, cold fusion is kinda hokey. Anyone care 
to possibly elaborate on what he might've meant? Or is this just 
another one of those anti-CF prejudices?
   
Just wondering,
   
John Venable
   
  
  
  
 
 
 
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Re: CF and Business Logic

[Jon Hall]

Depending on the politics of the govt person involved, you could mention 
that aclu.org uses CF too :)

Jeff Whatcott wrote:
 In the US, every cabinet-level federal agency, both houses of Congress, and many 
sites in the Judicial branch use ColdFusion.  Of course this info may or may not be 
helpful in selling to the Canadian government ;-)
 
 For an afternoon of fun, try the following Google query: allinurl: .cfm site:.gov
 
 
 Jeff Whatcott
 Director, ColdFusion Business Team / Macromedia, Inc.
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] / tel : 617-219-2510 / fax : 509-356-6130 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 1:04 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: CF and Business Logic
 
 
 A quick search on alltheweb for .cfm and .gov returns...
 
 http://www.state.gov/documents/ContactUs.cfm 
 http://www.nimh.nih.gov/events/autismgrant.cfm 
 http://www.senate.gov/contacting/index.cfm 
 http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/recalls/recmmy1.cfm
 http://www.hud.gov/buying/index.cfm 

..

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RE: CF and Business Logic

[Matt Liotta]

I don't think I will every have English mastered.

-Matt

 -Original Message-
 From: Bud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 4:42 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: CF and Business Logic
 
 On 4/20/02, stas penned:
 My current list of languages I have proficiency with is as follows.
 
 C, C++, C#, J#, VB, VB.NET, VBA, ColdFusion, Java, JavaScript,
Jscript,
 VBscript, ASP, ASP.NET, PHP, TCL, PERL, AWK, SH, BASH, HTML, XHTML,
XML,
 XSL, PL/SQL, T-SQL
 
 Sheesh. I barely have English mastered. LOL
 --
 
 Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations
 
 _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
 ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://www.twcreations.com/
 954.721.3452
 
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RE: CF and Business Logic

[Matt Liotta]

Try and tell that to the VB6 programmers who are having to port their
applications to VB.NET. While the syntax may be the same, the languages
are very different. VB is a procedural language with objects, while
VB.NET is an object oriented language. That in and of itself means that
the way you attack problems with the two languages is completely
different. Kind of like what is going to happen when you from another
procedural language (CF) to an object oriented one (CFMX).

-Matt

 -Original Message-
 From: stas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 3:21 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: CF and Business Logic
 
 Can't the languages you list here be folded into 4-5 language families
 though? VB, VB.Net, VBA, VBScript as one example? All you need to
know
 these is to be very comfortable with the syntax and have a reference
on
 each.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 
 My current list of languages I have proficiency with is as follows.
 
 C, C++, C#, J#, VB, VB.NET, VBA, ColdFusion, Java, JavaScript,
Jscript,
 VBscript, ASP, ASP.NET, PHP, TCL, PERL, AWK, SH, BASH, HTML, XHTML,
XML,
 XSL, PL/SQL, T-SQL
 
 More recently I have started playing with Python, Ruby, and Eiffel.
And
 when I am looking to stretch my mind into AI territory, I play with
 Lisp, Scheme, and Prolog.
 
 -Matt
 
 
 
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