RE: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up?
As I said each to their own, but from the point of view not everyone understands the net. When we did research into this we found that when a user clicks on something in a link, we found that 98% of the time the user would close the other browser window (whether by choice or accident) now if you want a user to stay on the site I would advise against this and look at ways of using either flash or DHTML to do the work. For example for a contract that I did a few years ago, I created a tab system that would imitate the windows tab through DHTML. However anyway you look at it, you have to do what is best at the time. I personally have been using the net since around the 1990 when it was all unix based, and even I from time to time will also end up closing the main window and get frustrated. I never mentioned AD pop ups, and have always used layers inside layers to do the work. If this doesn't make sense then you haven't been developing applications long enough. What I mean by this is that a page is delivered, with all the navigation and links and buttons on the outside of a layer and the layer can then hold the part that needs to change. Almost exactly the same way that frames works, when confronted with something like this the user seems to be happier to use than use pop up windows. Remember this rule of thumb that applies to any site without pop ups as well, the user has a very limited attention span and will NOT like to see too many windows on the screen. Why, because you are asking them to concentrate on more than one thing. After you have popped up an extra window I will guarantee you that they will close the other window before looking at the pop up. Now you have to ask yourself one thing, do you want the user to close this window and loose the attention of him/her from you site. If you want to really confuse anyone then by all means go and use pop up windows, but personally I avoid any site that pops up windows now and will never ever go back to it, and everyone I know that browsers the net is now doing the same thing. Remember it is all about attention spans, keeping their attention is also half the battle. And as for your example I did this 3-4 years ago for a large company here in Australia, with links to the side for navigation to other articles with the main article on the content layer, without using pop ups. And that example is a very good one in loosing people's attention spans when you start opening more windows!! Again if it works for you then go for it, I am only telling you my experience from hearing complaints or suggestions from the users on how to approve the site more. Which a lot of larger companies do to help keep their users attached to their sites and not their competitors. -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 8 July 2002 12:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up? There are times when DHTML layers make sense. There are also times when multiple windows ( popup or child) windows make sense -- when you want to compare before and after when you want to view more than one thing at a time I too, do not like those ad windows that automatically popup (to irritate you) when you visit a site But say a user is browsing a list of article abstracts... he sees one of interest. clicks on it... up pops the detail (as a result of the user action) he can read this article or browse other abstracts -- without ever having to redisplay (bandwith) the original page. For several years. I could only get a dial-up line (wilds of Tucson) so I really appreciate not having the delay of unnecessarily redisplaying a page Happiness is *never* having to go back (click the back button) . Dick __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up?
> Seriously, my first modem was a 5-pound walnut, wooden, box-jointed box, > about the size of a small tool--box, and had a speed of 100 baud -- and > *rented* for $79 per month -- we could run our APL terminals from > anywhere! EI: Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night, half an hour before I went to bed, eat a lump of cold poison, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad would kill us, and dance about on our graves singing "Hallelujah." MP: But you try and tell the young people today that... and they won't believe ya'. Sorry, couldn't resist. --- James Sleeman --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 7/6/2002 __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up?
I have an ecommerce website with popups for credit card and address entry on the checkout. If I had to do it again (and I probably will soon ;p ) I woul NOT use the popups. It's just as easy to send them to a new page and back again. I get all kinds of questions and complaints, that the popups don't work, are they secure, etc... > I am designing a automobile application and have a popup question. The > dealer can select from the menu to view all inventory, and from that > list of inventory, he can click on a "edit" link to edit the options > etc...Should I use a pop-up window where he edits the details of the > inventory item? Or should I send him to another page to edit and then > click "Back" if he needs to edit more? What would everyone here do? > > > > > Douglas Brown > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up?
To make it easier for the dealer, I would probably send them to the page with the details form and return them to the inventory list after they update the car ... though I would give them a descriptive link on the form page that tells them where they're going "back" to also ... what some people call "footprints" or "breadcrumbs" are good, i.e. Home > Vehicle Inventory List > VIN # blah blah ... or something similar... Isaac www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up?
On Sunday, July 7, 2002, at 07:24 PM, John Wilker wrote: > I've never had a client or employer complain myself, to each his own > though. I think well used child windows add a lot to a web app. Making > changes in one window and having them reflected in another in my > experience makes apps easier to use. > > And I've been doing this for 50 years ;-) just kidding. > > J. > The user experience rules (IMO) -- and that includes bandwidth I guess my 46 years puts me a distant second! Seriously, my first modem was a 5-pound walnut, wooden, box-jointed box, about the size of a small tool--box, and had a speed of 100 baud -- and *rented* for $79 per month -- we could run our APL terminals from anywhere! Dick __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: List of Countries
Perfect - Thank You. Thanks, Mark -Original Message- From: Tom Nunamaker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 10:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: List of Countries How about this? http://www.the-acr.com/codes/cntrycd.htm Just do a search on google. You'll find lots of them like this. Tom -Original Message- From: Mark Leder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 9:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: List of Countries Anybody know where I may find a list of countries of the world with their corresponding 2 - digt telephone country codes? Thanks, Mark __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up?
I've never had a client or employer complain myself, to each his own though. I think well used child windows add a lot to a web app. Making changes in one window and having them reflected in another in my experience makes apps easier to use. And I've been doing this for 50 years ;-) just kidding. J. John Wilker "Codito, ergo sum" Web Applications Consultant, and Writer Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Developer President/Founder, Inland Empire CFUG. www.red-omega.com I asked "Do you know DOS?" The reply was: "No, but I met Tom and Drew a few minutes ago." -Original Message- From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 7:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up? I realize that, but the thing is I have been developing solutions for a very long time for the net. And people that I have spoken to (clients) hate pop ups, because it takes the focus away from the main page. If you want a pop up, then why not use dhtml to bring a layer to the front and use that instead. Then you can also make it so that they can't click anywhere in the rest of the browser window. Refer to siteexperts.com for how to do this. But its your choice what you do, and I am only talking about the experience of what has been said to me over the last 7 years. -Original Message- From: Matthew Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 8 July 2002 10:37 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up? Generally, you wouldn't duplicate all the screen layout -- i.e. navigation, masthead, footer, etc. -- on a popup. Hence, likely to be a smaller HTML file. __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up?
There are times when DHTML layers make sense. There are also times when multiple windows ( popup or child) windows make sense -- when you want to compare before and after when you want to view more than one thing at a time I too, do not like those ad windows that automatically popup (to irritate you) when you visit a site But say a user is browsing a list of article abstracts... he sees one of interest. clicks on it... up pops the detail (as a result of the user action) he can read this article or browse other abstracts -- without ever having to redisplay (bandwith) the original page. For several years. I could only get a dial-up line (wilds of Tucson) so I really appreciate not having the delay of unnecessarily redisplaying a page Happiness is *never* having to go back (click the back button) . Dick On Sunday, July 7, 2002, at 07:02 PM, Andrew Scott wrote: > I realize that, but the thing is I have been developing solutions for a > very long time for the net. And people that I have spoken to (clients) > hate pop ups, because it takes the focus away from the main page. > > If you want a pop up, then why not use dhtml to bring a layer to the > front and use that instead. Then you can also make it so that they can't > click anywhere in the rest of the browser window. Refer to > siteexperts.com for how to do this. > > But its your choice what you do, and I am only talking about the > experience of what has been said to me over the last 7 years. > > -Original Message- > From: Matthew Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, 8 July 2002 10:37 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up? > > Generally, you wouldn't duplicate all the screen layout -- i.e. > navigation, masthead, footer, etc. -- on a popup. Hence, likely to be a > smaller HTML file. > > > __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: List of Countries
How about this? http://www.the-acr.com/codes/cntrycd.htm Just do a search on google. You'll find lots of them like this. Tom -Original Message- From: Mark Leder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 9:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: List of Countries Anybody know where I may find a list of countries of the world with their corresponding 2 - digt telephone country codes? Thanks, Mark __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up?
I realize that, but the thing is I have been developing solutions for a very long time for the net. And people that I have spoken to (clients) hate pop ups, because it takes the focus away from the main page. If you want a pop up, then why not use dhtml to bring a layer to the front and use that instead. Then you can also make it so that they can't click anywhere in the rest of the browser window. Refer to siteexperts.com for how to do this. But its your choice what you do, and I am only talking about the experience of what has been said to me over the last 7 years. -Original Message- From: Matthew Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 8 July 2002 10:37 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up? Generally, you wouldn't duplicate all the screen layout -- i.e. navigation, masthead, footer, etc. -- on a popup. Hence, likely to be a smaller HTML file. __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
List of Countries
Anybody know where I may find a list of countries of the world with their corresponding 2 - digt telephone country codes? Thanks, Mark __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up?
With Popup main page opens popup--- requests page from server user edits data & submits --- requests page from server user closes popup (original page is still displayed --- no request to server total 2 page requests Without popup Main page requests edit page--- requests page from server user edits data & submits --- requests page from server user hits back button --- requests page from server total 3 page requests BTW, some call it a child window, others call it a popup There are some definite advantages in the right situation For example you can preview changes to a text field (profuct description in a catalog) with out using *any* bandwidth.. the main edit window opens the popup (child) and does the formatting of the data with JavaScript I have used this technoque to allow the user to display before and after (2 popup windows) with no use of bandwidth. HTH Dick On Sunday, July 7, 2002, at 05:14 PM, Andrew Scott wrote: > How can a pop up be less bandwidth? > > It still has to go back to the server to get the page!! Hence uses > bandwidth! > > > -Original Message- > From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, 8 July 2002 6:13 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up? > > IMO, in the situation you describe, the popup is the best method: > > less bandwidth, net activity, web server activity > > better user experience > > can view both at once > > close the popup when through with no delay > > If the original page needs to be redisplayed as a result of the activity > > in the popup window, you lose most of the advantages. > > Dick > > > __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up?
Thank you all for the help, I hate trying to figure out what a user would prefer, and usually go off of what I prefer as a user. I have decided to stray away from the pop-up method and go with loading a new page in the parent window. I know how people can be if they do not see the update that took place, so I decided to them beck to the inventory page once the update is done, so they can see that it indeed worked. Thanks again!! Douglas Brown Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Jim McAtee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 5:38 PM Subject: Re: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up? > Yes, but you don't have to reload the master list page after every edit. > > Personally, I use popups only for minor editing and read-only information that > can reasonably be displayed in a small window, and I always specify a window > size, so that it (usually) won't block the parent window. This just seems > less confusing for most users. Larger forms I prefer to launch in the same > window. > > I always have a means of getting back to the previous list, especially if > getting to that point required some involved user input and a complex SQL > search. The search form parameters get passed along as hidden fields, then > resubmitted. It may be more overhead for the server, but once again, easier > on the user. For instance, say you display a list of inventory items, with > SKU, item name and price. If the user changes the item name or price, but > doesn't see the changes reflected on the master list, they get worried. So > the page needs to be updated, rather than just doing a simple 'back'. > > I've also seen some really nice user interfaces for this type of app using > frames. > > Jim > > - Original Message - > From: "Andrew Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 6:14 PM > Subject: RE: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up? > > > > How can a pop up be less bandwidth? > > > > It still has to go back to the server to get the page!! Hence uses > > bandwidth! > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, 8 July 2002 6:13 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up? > > > > IMO, in the situation you describe, the popup is the best method: > > > > less bandwidth, net activity, web server activity > > > > better user experience > > > > can view both at once > > > > close the popup when through with no delay > > > > If the original page needs to be redisplayed as a result of the activity > > > > in the popup window, you lose most of the advantages. > > > > Dick > > __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up?
Yes, but you don't have to reload the master list page after every edit. Personally, I use popups only for minor editing and read-only information that can reasonably be displayed in a small window, and I always specify a window size, so that it (usually) won't block the parent window. This just seems less confusing for most users. Larger forms I prefer to launch in the same window. I always have a means of getting back to the previous list, especially if getting to that point required some involved user input and a complex SQL search. The search form parameters get passed along as hidden fields, then resubmitted. It may be more overhead for the server, but once again, easier on the user. For instance, say you display a list of inventory items, with SKU, item name and price. If the user changes the item name or price, but doesn't see the changes reflected on the master list, they get worried. So the page needs to be updated, rather than just doing a simple 'back'. I've also seen some really nice user interfaces for this type of app using frames. Jim - Original Message - From: "Andrew Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 6:14 PM Subject: RE: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up? > How can a pop up be less bandwidth? > > It still has to go back to the server to get the page!! Hence uses > bandwidth! > > > -Original Message- > From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, 8 July 2002 6:13 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up? > > IMO, in the situation you describe, the popup is the best method: > > less bandwidth, net activity, web server activity > > better user experience > > can view both at once > > close the popup when through with no delay > > If the original page needs to be redisplayed as a result of the activity > > in the popup window, you lose most of the advantages. > > Dick __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up?
Generally, you wouldn't duplicate all the screen layout -- i.e. navigation, masthead, footer, etc. -- on a popup. Hence, likely to be a smaller HTML file. > -Original Message- > From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: lundi 8 juillet 2002 12:14 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up? > > > How can a pop up be less bandwidth? > > It still has to go back to the server to get the page!! Hence uses > bandwidth! > > > -Original Message- > From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, 8 July 2002 6:13 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up? > > IMO, in the situation you describe, the popup is the best method: > > less bandwidth, net activity, web server activity > > better user experience > > can view both at once > > close the popup when through with no delay > > If the original page needs to be redisplayed as a result of > the activity > > in the popup window, you lose most of the advantages. > > Dick > > > __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up?
:-) I wasn't gonna say anything, thought maybe I missed a memo. :-)) J. John Wilker "Codito, ergo sum" Web Applications Consultant, and Writer Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Developer President/Founder, Inland Empire CFUG. www.red-omega.com I asked "Do you know DOS?" The reply was: "No, but I met Tom and Drew a few minutes ago." -Original Message- From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 5:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up? How can a pop up be less bandwidth? It still has to go back to the server to get the page!! Hence uses bandwidth! -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 8 July 2002 6:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up? IMO, in the situation you describe, the popup is the best method: less bandwidth, net activity, web server activity better user experience can view both at once close the popup when through with no delay If the original page needs to be redisplayed as a result of the activity in the popup window, you lose most of the advantages. Dick __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
SQL Insertion/Injection hack
How effictive is just replacing single quotes with double single quote for all form input fields? Does one need to worry about the variations of unicode single quotes. What about adding a replacement for " union " with " ". Hackers and Virus ... Thanks, Bill __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up?
How can a pop up be less bandwidth? It still has to go back to the server to get the page!! Hence uses bandwidth! -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 8 July 2002 6:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up? IMO, in the situation you describe, the popup is the best method: less bandwidth, net activity, web server activity better user experience can view both at once close the popup when through with no delay If the original page needs to be redisplayed as a result of the activity in the popup window, you lose most of the advantages. Dick __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Setting Up SQL 7 Database in MX
I just installed CFMX and when I went to my data sources page I see that there is an error on all SQL 7 databases. I checked my ODBC Administrator and the database is connected through there. How do I set if up in the CF Administrator? TIA DDINC __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
DWMX templates
Maybe I'm an idiot, but I'm trying to use templates in DW MX. I have one site template that has 1 editable region. I'm experimenting around changing a Fusebox 3 site that was using a common layout. But anyway, I digress. I'm pasting code into the dreamweaver template (into the editable area). If it includes cfoutputs or cfif's, about 90% of the time it will tell me 'This would change locked areas of the template blah blah blah' (You'd think I'd have that memorized by now). If I first comment out all the cfoutputs and cfifs and then go through the Insert--->CFFlow--->CFOutput menu, it will write the exact same code to the page, but somehow this is more palatable to the template. I love the idea of templates, but this is ludicrous. Someone tell me if I'm doing something wrong. Marlon __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Output Display Question...repeat region in a ticker?
This is a javascript question that would probably be answered faster at [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a ColdFusion list. > I'm building a scrolling ticker, using the script from: > > http://javascript.internet.com/scrolls/line-scroller.html. > > I'm scrolling a single-row table, building it by adding four cells at a time > (see snippet below). > > The four cells consist of: MAKE, MODEL, #Available, Change in #Available. > MAKE and MODEL are static; I wish to display records from #Available in > descending order in the third cell of each set of four, likewise for Change > in #Available in the fourth cell of each set. > > How can I set the display? > > The entire page can be seen at: > http://home.earthlink.net/~rockypierre/amstatnew/Tickers/ticker-DataOK-WORKn > ewLogo.htm > > Here's the snippet: > > > > > > > color="#ff6600">Make ID > > > color="#ff6600">Model ID > > > > > color="#ff">#TickerDiffQ.NOFSNEW# > > > color="#ff6600">#TickerDiffQ.NOFSDIFF# > > > > > > > > __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Output Display Question...repeat region in a ticker?
I'm building a scrolling ticker, using the script from: http://javascript.internet.com/scrolls/line-scroller.html. I'm scrolling a single-row table, building it by adding four cells at a time (see snippet below). The four cells consist of: MAKE, MODEL, #Available, Change in #Available. MAKE and MODEL are static; I wish to display records from #Available in descending order in the third cell of each set of four, likewise for Change in #Available in the fourth cell of each set. How can I set the display? The entire page can be seen at: http://home.earthlink.net/~rockypierre/amstatnew/Tickers/ticker-DataOK-WORKn ewLogo.htm Here's the snippet: Make ID Model ID #TickerDiffQ.NOFSNEW# #TickerDiffQ.NOFSDIFF# __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up?
My vote would be for a child page. Especially since the user may want to edit more than one why have to keep going back and forth. Also if these edits change the parent page you can do that while working in the child window, allowing for a "real-time" modification. I would hate to have to click to go to an edit page, make the changes, go back to the listing, pick a new thing to edit, etc Not to mention if the edits effect the listing (i.e. price with options or something) what if he makes a mistake? Now he has to go back to the edit page to make corrections. With a child window updating the parent he'll likely see the mistake before closing the edit window. My .02 (inflation adjusted) J. John Wilker "Codito, ergo sum" Web Applications Consultant, and Writer Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Developer President/Founder, Inland Empire CFUG. www.red-omega.com I asked "Do you know DOS?" The reply was: "No, but I met Tom and Drew a few minutes ago." -Original Message- From: Douglas Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 12:32 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up? I am designing a automobile application and have a popup question. The dealer can select from the menu to view all inventory, and from that list of inventory, he can click on a "edit" link to edit the options etc...Should I use a pop-up window where he edits the details of the inventory item? Or should I send him to another page to edit and then click "Back" if he needs to edit more? What would everyone here do? Douglas Brown Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up?
IMO, in the situation you describe, the popup is the best method: less bandwidth, net activity, web server activity better user experience can view both at once close the popup when through with no delay If the original page needs to be redisplayed as a result of the activity in the popup window, you lose most of the advantages. Dick On Sunday, July 7, 2002, at 12:57 PM, Douglas Brown wrote: > Well, what do you think about sending them to another page for editing > and > then once they complete the update, them back to the > original > page... > > > > > Douglas Brown > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - Original Message - > From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 12:42 PM > Subject: Re: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up? > > >> *cringes at the thought of pop-ups* >> >> At 12:32 PM 7/7/2002 -0700, you wrote: >>> I am designing a automobile application and have a popup question. The >>> dealer can select from the menu to view all inventory, and from that >>> list of inventory, he can click on a "edit" link to edit the options >>> etc...Should I use a pop-up window where he edits the details of the >>> inventory item? Or should I send him to another page to edit and then >>> click "Back" if he needs to edit more? What would everyone here do? >>> >>> Douglas Brown >>> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >> http://www.web-rat.com/ >> Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion >> http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ >> Moderator @ FlashCFM.com - http://www.flashCFM.com/ >> Back-end Moderator @ Ultrashock.com - http://www.ultrashock.com/ >> >> > __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up?
Douglas Brown wrote: > I am designing a automobile application and have a popup question. The > dealer can select from the menu to view all inventory, and from that > list of inventory, he can click on a "edit" link to edit the options > etc...Should I use a pop-up window where he edits the details of the > inventory item? Or should I send him to another page to edit and then > click "Back" if he needs to edit more? What would everyone here do? Not so much a matter of taste, but if you don't have control over the environment of the dealer don't go for popups. Browsers and proxies might disable them. Jochem __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up?
Well, what do you think about sending them to another page for editing and then once they complete the update, them back to the original page... Douglas Brown Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 12:42 PM Subject: Re: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up? > *cringes at the thought of pop-ups* > > At 12:32 PM 7/7/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >I am designing a automobile application and have a popup question. The > >dealer can select from the menu to view all inventory, and from that > >list of inventory, he can click on a "edit" link to edit the options > >etc...Should I use a pop-up window where he edits the details of the > >inventory item? Or should I send him to another page to edit and then > >click "Back" if he needs to edit more? What would everyone here do? > > > >Douglas Brown > >Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > http://www.web-rat.com/ > Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion > http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ > Moderator @ FlashCFM.com - http://www.flashCFM.com/ > Back-end Moderator @ Ultrashock.com - http://www.ultrashock.com/ > > __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: (Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up?
*cringes at the thought of pop-ups* At 12:32 PM 7/7/2002 -0700, you wrote: >I am designing a automobile application and have a popup question. The >dealer can select from the menu to view all inventory, and from that >list of inventory, he can click on a "edit" link to edit the options >etc...Should I use a pop-up window where he edits the details of the >inventory item? Or should I send him to another page to edit and then >click "Back" if he needs to edit more? What would everyone here do? > >Douglas Brown >Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.web-rat.com/ Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ Moderator @ FlashCFM.com - http://www.flashCFM.com/ Back-end Moderator @ Ultrashock.com - http://www.ultrashock.com/ __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
(Opinion) Pop-up or not to pop-up?
I am designing a automobile application and have a popup question. The dealer can select from the menu to view all inventory, and from that list of inventory, he can click on a "edit" link to edit the options etc...Should I use a pop-up window where he edits the details of the inventory item? Or should I send him to another page to edit and then click "Back" if he needs to edit more? What would everyone here do? Douglas Brown Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: IP-Less domains with MX
I solved it with a hack. There's an xml file that specifies the root directory. Normally its c:\cfusionmx\wwwroot. This was changed to d:\htdocs (my root web directory). All of the sub domains are contained within that location. The switch described in the KB article did not help at all as a file with the name index.cfm in d:\htdocs took precedent over a file named index.cfm in a different domain on the box. The solution was to set the root directory according to CFMX to somewhere that had no files in it. This resulted in the calls to houseoffusion.com and the calls to cfcomet.com to be resolved properly. There's still an issue with all the classes caching and includes as well as some nasty 500 errors being thrown, but on the whole, it's good with the domains. > Simon > > That's what the KB article said that Michael pointed out in his first > post said. > > Tom > > -Original Message- > From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 3:02 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: IP-Less domains with MX > > > Mike, > I've seen this before. Your problem lies in the fact that the JRUN > proxy is caching template compilations. There is a flag you need to > throw in one of your XML config files (I believe it was JRUN.XML or > something like that). Sorry I'm not more help at the moment - I'm > heading off to bed right now, but feel free to shoot me an email in the > morning if you still don't have it working (I spent several hours > trouble shooting the server hosting cflib.org along with Ray Camden and > his network admin... we were experiencing the exact same behavior). > > ~Simon > > Simon Horwith > Macromedia Certified Instructor > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > Fig Leaf Software > 1400 16th St NW, # 500 > Washington DC 20036 > 202.797.6570 (direct line) > www.figleaf.com > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 00:59 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: IP-Less domains with MX > > > According to this KB > (http://www.macromedia.com/v1/Handlers/index.cfm?ID=23179&Method=Full) > all you have to do when dealing with multiple domains on a box is change > a single attribute from true to false. This does not seem to be working > properly as you can see from www.cfcomet.com and www.nycfug.org. Both > sites are trying to access the root page for www.houseoffusion.com. Not > the desired effect. Anyone have a clue as to what's up? > This only seems to be happening when dealing with .cfm files. .htm files > are going ok (as can be seen at www.jmpublishers.com) > > Michael Dinowitz > Master of the House of Fusion > http://www.houseoffusion.com > > > > __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: IP-Less domains with MX
Simon That's what the KB article said that Michael pointed out in his first post said. Tom -Original Message- From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 3:02 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: IP-Less domains with MX Mike, I've seen this before. Your problem lies in the fact that the JRUN proxy is caching template compilations. There is a flag you need to throw in one of your XML config files (I believe it was JRUN.XML or something like that). Sorry I'm not more help at the moment - I'm heading off to bed right now, but feel free to shoot me an email in the morning if you still don't have it working (I spent several hours trouble shooting the server hosting cflib.org along with Ray Camden and his network admin... we were experiencing the exact same behavior). ~Simon Simon Horwith Macromedia Certified Instructor Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer Fig Leaf Software 1400 16th St NW, # 500 Washington DC 20036 202.797.6570 (direct line) www.figleaf.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 00:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: IP-Less domains with MX According to this KB (http://www.macromedia.com/v1/Handlers/index.cfm?ID=23179&Method=Full) all you have to do when dealing with multiple domains on a box is change a single attribute from true to false. This does not seem to be working properly as you can see from www.cfcomet.com and www.nycfug.org. Both sites are trying to access the root page for www.houseoffusion.com. Not the desired effect. Anyone have a clue as to what's up? This only seems to be happening when dealing with .cfm files. .htm files are going ok (as can be seen at www.jmpublishers.com) Michael Dinowitz Master of the House of Fusion http://www.houseoffusion.com __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Regular Expression
The expression [^a-z0-9] means match any character that is NOT a-z or 0-9. That will
return only special characters. You probably want
REFindNoCase("^[- a-z0-9]*$", str)
This will return 1 if the following happens.
at the start of the string (the carat) look for a dash, a space or any character of
a-z or 0-9. Match as many of these as you can until the end of the string (the dollar
sign).
"New York" - N is the first character at the start of the string. There are only
letters and a space. The k is the last character in the string. The function will
return 1 (success).
"Wilkes-Barre" - W is the first character of the string. There are only letters and a
dash. e is the last character in the string. The function will return 1 (success)
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" - m is the first character in the string. There is an at
sign in the string. The function will return 0 (failure).
There's a tutorial on RegEx at www.houseoffusion.com on the front page.
> I want to do a regular expression validation on a form field (city).
> However, I'm rather unfamiliar with regular expressions.
>
> How would I rewrite the expression so that it will allow a "-" and a
> space.
> For Example: "Wilkes-Barre" or "Los Angeles" would be accepted.
>
> I can't seem to find anything on CFLib which would allow me to accept
> "-" and "spaces"
>
> This is what I have so far:
>
> REFindNoCase("[^a-z0-9]", str)
>
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
>
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Regular Expression
I want to do a regular expression validation on a form field (city).
However, I'm rather unfamiliar with regular expressions.
How would I rewrite the expression so that it will allow a "-" and a
space.
For Example: "Wilkes-Barre" or "Los Angeles" would be accepted.
I can't seem to find anything on CFLib which would allow me to accept
"-" and "spaces"
This is what I have so far:
REFindNoCase("[^a-z0-9]", str)
Thanks,
Mark
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RE: Macromedia / Allaire IDEs
Unfortunately, you cannot turn off search in sub-directories. If you search a folder in extended F&R, you always search sub-dirs. I made this mistake once, and only once :( I stopped using DWMX after that. - j -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:52 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia / Allaire IDEs > 1. extended find/replace Yes, control-f. > 2. regular expressions with find/replace Yes, control-f > 3. snippets Yes, but you cannot keyboard map to a snipplet. > 4. code templates Yes, Dreamweaver has always had code templates. ~Todd __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Migrating sqlservers
If you are creating an *exact* replica of the original SQL Server, the easiest way is to: 1) stop SQL server on the Source Machine 2) Zip the "data" directory 3) transfer the zip file to the destination machine 4) Install & patch dest machine to exact config as source (don't worry about users or permissions) 5) stop the dest SQL server 6) rename the dest "data" folder 7) unzip file to the dest "data" location 8) start SQL server on dest Job complete w/ an EXACT replica. - j jim.curran technical.director nylon.technology 212.691.1134 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Brian J. LeRoux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 3:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Migrating sqlservers We're moving a client to a new hosting facility and they have a rather large sqlserver db that needs to be copyed over. I'm just reading up on it but I'd like to hear some advice from the pros. Method I should use? Pitfalls? Any advice is muchos appreciated! Thanks in advance, Brian __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: MX Mappings
What are the fundamental changes for a CT with MX? (underlying) if any.. Neil -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 July 2002 16:29 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: MX Mappings Well, CFMX does create a class file for each of the CFINCLUDEs that it uses. A lot of includes means a lot of extra compilations. I wonder if that will still be true if the CFINCLUDES were saved as .txt or .inc rather than .cfm. > I don't know that there is anything different in how it uses mappings, but > I've heard complaints from a lot of people about performance problems with > MX when the application is using a lot of cfincluded files. The performance > issue is likely with the cfinclude tag itself, rather than resolving > mappings. > > ~Simon > > Simon Horwith > Macromedia Certified Instructor > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > Fig Leaf Software > 1400 16th St NW, # 500 > Washington DC 20036 > 202.797.6570 (direct line) > www.figleaf.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Neil Clark - =TMM= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 07:35 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: MX Mappings > > > Is there a significant difference in which MX uses mappings (or > includes)? I am using a script which works AOK in CF5, but fails within > MX stating it cannot find the template etc... > > It is being called from a Custom Tag thus : > > > > #loginpath# is set within Application.cfm. > > As I said, works fine in CF5, but not in MX... > > probably been looking at it too long... > > Neil > > > __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: MX Mappings
Well, CFMX does create a class file for each of the CFINCLUDEs that it uses. A lot of includes means a lot of extra compilations. I wonder if that will still be true if the CFINCLUDES were saved as .txt or .inc rather than .cfm. > I don't know that there is anything different in how it uses mappings, but > I've heard complaints from a lot of people about performance problems with > MX when the application is using a lot of cfincluded files. The performance > issue is likely with the cfinclude tag itself, rather than resolving > mappings. > > ~Simon > > Simon Horwith > Macromedia Certified Instructor > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > Fig Leaf Software > 1400 16th St NW, # 500 > Washington DC 20036 > 202.797.6570 (direct line) > www.figleaf.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Neil Clark - =TMM= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 07:35 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: MX Mappings > > > Is there a significant difference in which MX uses mappings (or > includes)? I am using a script which works AOK in CF5, but fails within > MX stating it cannot find the template etc... > > It is being called from a Custom Tag thus : > > > > #loginpath# is set within Application.cfm. > > As I said, works fine in CF5, but not in MX... > > probably been looking at it too long... > > Neil > > > __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: MX Mappings
I don't know that there is anything different in how it uses mappings, but I've heard complaints from a lot of people about performance problems with MX when the application is using a lot of cfincluded files. The performance issue is likely with the cfinclude tag itself, rather than resolving mappings. ~Simon Simon Horwith Macromedia Certified Instructor Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer Fig Leaf Software 1400 16th St NW, # 500 Washington DC 20036 202.797.6570 (direct line) www.figleaf.com -Original Message- From: Neil Clark - =TMM= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 07:35 To: CF-Talk Subject: MX Mappings Is there a significant difference in which MX uses mappings (or includes)? I am using a script which works AOK in CF5, but fails within MX stating it cannot find the template etc... It is being called from a Custom Tag thus : #loginpath# is set within Application.cfm. As I said, works fine in CF5, but not in MX... probably been looking at it too long... Neil __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: MX Mappings
Ah, sorry, I meant to say that the variable is set within the app_globals.cfm file which is included at the to of the Index.cfm file (Fusebox). The scripts work fine n dandy with CF5, the problem is only when you port to CFMX; even though all the CFAS settings are the same etc... The error is stating : cannot find the template, yet it displays the correct path to the template! Its weird, but to be honest with you, I am not bothered about it on MX at the mo as I am more than likey gonna re-engineer it for MX when necessary using CFC's - Neil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 July 2002 15:51 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: MX Mappings Neil, this is interesting... as I thought that the application.cfm is not called when customtags are used and unless the parameter is eiter passed into the customtag or the variable is in the request.scope you might have trouble reading it. But then you might asked, why did it work in CF 5? h puzzled look...:-)) I am sure there must be a explanation that actually makes sense...Good luck. -- Birgit -- Sunday, July 7, 2002, 7:58:02 AM, you wrote: NCT> I think I have sorted it, it appears to be a problem with the actual NCT> CT... I have removed the dynamic call and it seems to work :-p NCT> I will have to re-engineer it for MX at some point! NCT> Neil NCT> -Original Message- NCT> From: Neil Clark - =TMM= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] NCT> Sent: 07 July 2002 12:35 NCT> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' NCT> Subject: MX Mappings NCT> Is there a significant difference in which MX uses mappings (or NCT> includes)? I am using a script which works AOK in CF5, but fails within NCT> MX stating it cannot find the template etc... NCT> It is being called from a Custom Tag thus : NCT> NCT> #loginpath# is set within Application.cfm. NCT> As I said, works fine in CF5, but not in MX... NCT> probably been looking at it too long... NCT> Neil NCT> __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: MX Mappings
Neil, this is interesting... as I thought that the application.cfm is not called when customtags are used and unless the parameter is eiter passed into the customtag or the variable is in the request.scope you might have trouble reading it. But then you might asked, why did it work in CF 5? h puzzled look...:-)) I am sure there must be a explanation that actually makes sense...Good luck. -- Birgit -- Sunday, July 7, 2002, 7:58:02 AM, you wrote: NCT> I think I have sorted it, it appears to be a problem with the actual NCT> CT... I have removed the dynamic call and it seems to work :-p NCT> I will have to re-engineer it for MX at some point! NCT> Neil NCT> -Original Message- NCT> From: Neil Clark - =TMM= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] NCT> Sent: 07 July 2002 12:35 NCT> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' NCT> Subject: MX Mappings NCT> Is there a significant difference in which MX uses mappings (or NCT> includes)? I am using a script which works AOK in CF5, but fails within NCT> MX stating it cannot find the template etc... NCT> It is being called from a Custom Tag thus : NCT> NCT> #loginpath# is set within Application.cfm. NCT> As I said, works fine in CF5, but not in MX... NCT> probably been looking at it too long... NCT> Neil NCT> __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: MX Caching
The new one isn't public yet but will be soon. I had to write an article on how I did it and why (i.e. no recursion, etc.). Currently, the DB is on the same box as the webserver and it really doesn't matter which gets the hit, the result is the same. Though it's a whole lot easier to do it in CF. When the new SQL box is in then I'll think of following my rule of "let the DB do the work". > Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > Lets put it this way, an archive thread can be 1 or more messages. Lets say that >for some threads, this is 50 messages. These have to be retrieved from the DB, sorted >using a maketree sort and then displayed. Now I have a new maketree sort that's fast >and smooth as hell, but it still takes time and processing. > > 1. Is that maketree public domain? > 2. How about offloading this to the DB by using a nested set model? > > Jochem > > __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: MX Caching
Michael Dinowitz wrote: > Lets put it this way, an archive thread can be 1 or more messages. Lets say that for >some threads, this is 50 messages. These have to be retrieved from the DB, sorted >using a maketree sort and then displayed. Now I have a new maketree sort that's fast >and smooth as hell, but it still takes time and processing. 1. Is that maketree public domain? 2. How about offloading this to the DB by using a nested set model? Jochem __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: MX Caching
Lets put it this way, an archive thread can be 1 or more messages. Lets say that for some threads, this is 50 messages. These have to be retrieved from the DB, sorted using a maketree sort and then displayed. Now I have a new maketree sort that's fast and smooth as hell, but it still takes time and processing. On the other hand, if I do the processing once when a message is added to the thread, it never has to be done again. If I write a funky save mechanism so that there are no more than 1000 threads saved in a directory and directories are created on the fly, I can have the physical files spread out over a bit of space and the savings of a flat file. > What are the advantages of storing articles and archived list messages in > individual text files? Even without the CFINCLDE caching issues, that's a lot > of disk files. > > Jim > > - Original Message - > From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 1:30 AM > Subject: MX Caching > > > > Here's an interesting issue. > > Basically, when a CF page is run in MX, it creates a class file for that > page. This class file is stored in a single directory. If the page happens to > use CFINCLUDE, then that CFINCLUDE is also stored in the classes directory. > This goes on and on over ALL pages run through MX. The end result is a > directory full of class files that are basically a cache of all the CF > templates on your machine that have been run. > > Now this isn't so bad till you come to publishing sites (like Fusion > Authority). The standard technique is to store an article as a flat file and > put a pointer to it in a DB. When a page is run that references the article, > the flat file is included into the page. This can result in a LOT of class > files. An average issue of FA will have 20 includes, one for each story. The > same goes for the archives on CF-Talk and the other lists. Lots of includes. > And if your running a multi-homed site, all of the templates and includes for > ALL of the sites are in that one directory. > > Does anyone know a way of spreading this out some? Some JRun setting that'll > allow multiple classes directories or a classes directory that does some sort > of sub-directory creation? Maybe even a setting to allow each multi-homed site > to have its own classes directory? > > __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: MX Mappings
I think I have sorted it, it appears to be a problem with the actual CT... I have removed the dynamic call and it seems to work :-p I will have to re-engineer it for MX at some point! Neil -Original Message- From: Neil Clark - =TMM= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 July 2002 12:35 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: MX Mappings Is there a significant difference in which MX uses mappings (or includes)? I am using a script which works AOK in CF5, but fails within MX stating it cannot find the template etc... It is being called from a Custom Tag thus : #loginpath# is set within Application.cfm. As I said, works fine in CF5, but not in MX... probably been looking at it too long... Neil __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
MX Mappings
Is there a significant difference in which MX uses mappings (or includes)? I am using a script which works AOK in CF5, but fails within MX stating it cannot find the template etc... It is being called from a Custom Tag thus : #loginpath# is set within Application.cfm. As I said, works fine in CF5, but not in MX... probably been looking at it too long... Neil __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: MX Caching
What are the advantages of storing articles and archived list messages in individual text files? Even without the CFINCLDE caching issues, that's a lot of disk files. Jim - Original Message - From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 1:30 AM Subject: MX Caching > Here's an interesting issue. > Basically, when a CF page is run in MX, it creates a class file for that page. This class file is stored in a single directory. If the page happens to use CFINCLUDE, then that CFINCLUDE is also stored in the classes directory. This goes on and on over ALL pages run through MX. The end result is a directory full of class files that are basically a cache of all the CF templates on your machine that have been run. > Now this isn't so bad till you come to publishing sites (like Fusion Authority). The standard technique is to store an article as a flat file and put a pointer to it in a DB. When a page is run that references the article, the flat file is included into the page. This can result in a LOT of class files. An average issue of FA will have 20 includes, one for each story. The same goes for the archives on CF-Talk and the other lists. Lots of includes. And if your running a multi-homed site, all of the templates and includes for ALL of the sites are in that one directory. > Does anyone know a way of spreading this out some? Some JRun setting that'll allow multiple classes directories or a classes directory that does some sort of sub-directory creation? Maybe even a setting to allow each multi-homed site to have its own classes directory? __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: IP-Less domains with MX
Mike, I've seen this before. Your problem lies in the fact that the JRUN proxy is caching template compilations. There is a flag you need to throw in one of your XML config files (I believe it was JRUN.XML or something like that). Sorry I'm not more help at the moment - I'm heading off to bed right now, but feel free to shoot me an email in the morning if you still don't have it working (I spent several hours trouble shooting the server hosting cflib.org along with Ray Camden and his network admin... we were experiencing the exact same behavior). ~Simon Simon Horwith Macromedia Certified Instructor Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer Fig Leaf Software 1400 16th St NW, # 500 Washington DC 20036 202.797.6570 (direct line) www.figleaf.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 00:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: IP-Less domains with MX According to this KB (http://www.macromedia.com/v1/Handlers/index.cfm?ID=23179&Method=Full) all you have to do when dealing with multiple domains on a box is change a single attribute from true to false. This does not seem to be working properly as you can see from www.cfcomet.com and www.nycfug.org. Both sites are trying to access the root page for www.houseoffusion.com. Not the desired effect. Anyone have a clue as to what's up? This only seems to be happening when dealing with .cfm files. .htm files are going ok (as can be seen at www.jmpublishers.com) Michael Dinowitz Master of the House of Fusion http://www.houseoffusion.com __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
MX Caching
Here's an interesting issue. Basically, when a CF page is run in MX, it creates a class file for that page. This class file is stored in a single directory. If the page happens to use CFINCLUDE, then that CFINCLUDE is also stored in the classes directory. This goes on and on over ALL pages run through MX. The end result is a directory full of class files that are basically a cache of all the CF templates on your machine that have been run. Now this isn't so bad till you come to publishing sites (like Fusion Authority). The standard technique is to store an article as a flat file and put a pointer to it in a DB. When a page is run that references the article, the flat file is included into the page. This can result in a LOT of class files. An average issue of FA will have 20 includes, one for each story. The same goes for the archives on CF-Talk and the other lists. Lots of includes. And if your running a multi-homed site, all of the templates and includes for ALL of the sites are in that one directory. Does anyone know a way of spreading this out some? Some JRun setting that'll allow multiple classes directories or a classes directory that does some sort of sub-directory creation? Maybe even a setting to allow each multi-homed site to have its own classes directory? Michael Dinowitz Master of the House of Fusion http://www.houseoffusion.com __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
