RE: New CFFORM website

2005-03-29 Thread Micha Schopman
I like the previous idea about the bookmarks a lot :X

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From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: woensdag 30 maart 2005 0:07
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Subject: Re: New CFFORM website

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:35:47 -0500, Calvin Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Um, I know that, what I meant was, what does the "markme" mean in the
domain
> name?

Ah, sorry... It turns out there's an interesting story behind the domain
name!

Mike Chambers owned it before he joined Macromedia. He intended it to
be a central bookmark storage website - websites could carry a "Mark
Me!" button and it would store the link on the markme website... Later
the site became a popular community site for Generator... Then, after
Mike joined MM, it became the fledgling Macromedia weblog site and
just sort of grew...

In due course, the weblogs will move to macromedia.com subdomain (and
there will be a new version of the news aggregator too with lots of
spiffy new features - Christian and Mike have been hard at work!).
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CF7 instances and server memory

2005-03-29 Thread Duncan
Hi all,

I am wondering if there are some values on how much ram and memory to
the number of instances of jrun or cf server?

For example if we have a w2k server with iis and jrun4, with cf7, this
machine has say 2gb ram how many cf instances with 500mb heap are we
limited to? 3 given that windows need some ram as well?

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RE: Table name - Singular or plural?

2005-03-29 Thread Dawson, Michael
>The system tables for Oracle iirc are singular. "select * from col".

They are plural in Oracle: User_Tables, All_Tables, etc...

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RE: Database Model Suggestions - Elections

2005-03-29 Thread Rick Faircloth
Thanks for the explanation, Joe...

Can you expand your explanation to include
the code that accomplish the constraint?

Thanks,

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Joe Rinehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 12:06 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Database Model Suggestions - Elections


Hey Rick,

A "constraint" does just what it says - it enforces a rule.

A "foreign-key constraint" refers to a type of constraint that, when
placed on a column in one table, makes sure any values in that column
reference a value in a column in a second ("foreign") table.

Basically, if I had the following:

User
-
UserId
FavoriteColorId

Color
--
ColorId

I could place a "foreign-key constraint" on User.FavoriteColorId that
referred to Color.ColorId to make sure no values were ever entered
into User.FavoriteColorId that weren't in Color.

-Joe



On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 23:48:45 -0500, Rick Faircloth
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  I am of course, assuming that you know the difference between a
> >  foreign-key constraint (which ensures data integrity by producing an
> >  error if an insert/update/delete statement would create a conflicting
> >  state in the data - in other words it doesn't allow the database to
> >  ignore errors in your code), and simply having two tables which are
> >  joined in your ad-hoc queries.
>
> Sorry, that's what I'm saying I don't understand.  I realize you probably
> don't want to go too much into the detail I'd need to full understand, but
> if you have a good reference online for that I'd study it for
clarification.
> I've never used foreign-key constraints...sounds like something I should
> learn and implement in my coding...
>
> It sounds like something I do when I don't allow the deletion of a
> Real Estate agent when they still have properties in the database
> assigned to them, which would ...anything to do with something like that?
>
> Rick
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: S.Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 10:49 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Database Model Suggestions - Elections
>
> > HmmmI took a look at that page and was pleased to see
> > that I follow the standards closely, but I've never used a
> > "corresponding constraint name"...
>
> > I've always used what I considered foreign keys, by using
> > the Primary Key of one table in another as a linking
> > field, like the Customer_ID in the Order table...but what's
> > the purpose of a "corresponding constraint name" and the
> > FKn...etc., as described below?
>
> > Rick
>
> > The corresponding constraint names should be the table
> > name followed by _FKn
> > where n = 0..9 (e.g., ADDRESS_FK1, ADDRESS_FK2)
>
> Typically you would want the naming convention applied to the foreign
> key constraints if you're in the habbit (or environment) of creating
> and dropping them using hand-crafted SQL scripts. I used to work for a
> company in Orlando where this was the case several years ago (just
> before the dot-com collapse), although unfortunately most of the
> companies I've worked for have taken an alternate route and simply
> decided that foreign-key constraints are not to be used (BLECH!). I
> use foreign-key constraints consistently in my own work but always
> handle them in an automated fashion, so I never have any real need for
> a naming convention, since I'm not hand-coding the create or drop
> statements generally speaking.
>
> I am of course, assuming that you know the difference between a
> foreign-key constraint (which ensures data integrity by producing an
> error if an insert/update/delete statement would create a conflicting
> state in the data - in other words it doesn't allow the database to
> ignore errors in your code), and simply having two tables which are
> joined in your ad-hoc queries. The former is what I use - the latter
> is what I'm forced to work with at my day-job.
>
> s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080
> new epoch : isn't it time for a change?
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Re: install cfmx7 on mac

2005-03-29 Thread Jared Rypka-Hauer - CMG, LLC
I've got Jrun running on OS 10.3.8 too...

I'm not sure what the issue is, though, because I basically installed
it and it ran...

ALTHOUGH, I did get the OS10 developer edition of Jrun for OS 10... found here:

http://www.macromedia.com/software/servers/macintosh/

Laterz,
J


On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 23:06:02 -0500, dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Close, you do have to tweak a config file but I did that and it is correct. I 
> also found it is a known issue at Macromedia, so I may have to go with 
> tomcat, I just don't know anything about it. But there is a few newer tuts at 
> communtymx about installing on a mac, followed the one, but...
> 
>  All in all though I'm extremely impressed with a Mac:)
> 
>  Thanks for at least trying Adrian 


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RE: Best practice question?

2005-03-29 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message-
> From: Johnny Le [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 7:56 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Best practice question?
> 
> Is there a way to capture a row?  For example, if you know the value of a
> cell, can you do some structure or array search that would return the row?
> I know we can use query of queries to find it, but I wonder if you know
> another way using array or structure functions.

There really isn't any "magic" way that I know off.  I've tried things like
"queryname[rownumber]" and the like but they just don't work (not that you'd
really expect them too).

You're pretty much stuck either doing a QoQ or looping over the row
something like this:






I've not been able to get it much smaller/faster than that.

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Re: Database Model Suggestions - Elections

2005-03-29 Thread Joe Rinehart
Hey Rick,

A "constraint" does just what it says - it enforces a rule.

A "foreign-key constraint" refers to a type of constraint that, when
placed on a column in one table, makes sure any values in that column
reference a value in a column in a second ("foreign") table.

Basically, if I had the following:

User
-
UserId
FavoriteColorId

Color
--
ColorId

I could place a "foreign-key constraint" on User.FavoriteColorId that
referred to Color.ColorId to make sure no values were ever entered
into User.FavoriteColorId that weren't in Color.

-Joe

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Re: CFQUERYPARAM and NVarChar datatypes

2005-03-29 Thread Paul Hastings
S. Isaac Dealey wrote:
> cfqueryparam handles it for you...

provided you turn on the unicode option for that DSN. blogged about in 
boring detail:
http://www.sustainablegis.com/blog/cfg11n/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=F9553D86-20ED-7DEE-2A913AFD8651643F

> want to set the form and url scopes to UTF-8 but iirc you would want

yes, that's always good advice, hint early, hint often.

> a native function to ensure that form & url scopes are a particular
> character set -- the name escapes me at the moment -- it's getting
> late. :)

that would be setEncoding()





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Re: Database Model Suggestions - Elections

2005-03-29 Thread Joe Rinehart
Hey Rick,

A "constraint" does just what it says - it enforces a rule.

A "foreign-key constraint" refers to a type of constraint that, when
placed on a column in one table, makes sure any values in that column
reference a value in a column in a second ("foreign") table.

Basically, if I had the following:

User
-
UserId
FavoriteColorId

Color
--
ColorId

I could place a "foreign-key constraint" on User.FavoriteColorId that
referred to Color.ColorId to make sure no values were ever entered
into User.FavoriteColorId that weren't in Color.

-Joe



On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 23:48:45 -0500, Rick Faircloth
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  I am of course, assuming that you know the difference between a
> >  foreign-key constraint (which ensures data integrity by producing an
> >  error if an insert/update/delete statement would create a conflicting
> >  state in the data - in other words it doesn't allow the database to
> >  ignore errors in your code), and simply having two tables which are
> >  joined in your ad-hoc queries.
> 
> Sorry, that's what I'm saying I don't understand.  I realize you probably
> don't want to go too much into the detail I'd need to full understand, but
> if you have a good reference online for that I'd study it for clarification.
> I've never used foreign-key constraints...sounds like something I should
> learn and implement in my coding...
> 
> It sounds like something I do when I don't allow the deletion of a
> Real Estate agent when they still have properties in the database
> assigned to them, which would ...anything to do with something like that?
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: S.Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 10:49 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Database Model Suggestions - Elections
> 
> > HmmmI took a look at that page and was pleased to see
> > that I follow the standards closely, but I've never used a
> > "corresponding constraint name"...
> 
> > I've always used what I considered foreign keys, by using
> > the Primary Key of one table in another as a linking
> > field, like the Customer_ID in the Order table...but what's
> > the purpose of a "corresponding constraint name" and the
> > FKn...etc., as described below?
> 
> > Rick
> 
> > The corresponding constraint names should be the table
> > name followed by _FKn
> > where n = 0..9 (e.g., ADDRESS_FK1, ADDRESS_FK2)
> 
> Typically you would want the naming convention applied to the foreign
> key constraints if you're in the habbit (or environment) of creating
> and dropping them using hand-crafted SQL scripts. I used to work for a
> company in Orlando where this was the case several years ago (just
> before the dot-com collapse), although unfortunately most of the
> companies I've worked for have taken an alternate route and simply
> decided that foreign-key constraints are not to be used (BLECH!). I
> use foreign-key constraints consistently in my own work but always
> handle them in an automated fashion, so I never have any real need for
> a naming convention, since I'm not hand-coding the create or drop
> statements generally speaking.
> 
> I am of course, assuming that you know the difference between a
> foreign-key constraint (which ensures data integrity by producing an
> error if an insert/update/delete statement would create a conflicting
> state in the data - in other words it doesn't allow the database to
> ignore errors in your code), and simply having two tables which are
> joined in your ad-hoc queries. The former is what I use - the latter
> is what I'm forced to work with at my day-job.
> 
> s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080
> new epoch : isn't it time for a change?
> 
> add features without fixtures with
> the onTap open source framework
> 
> http://macromedia.breezecentral.com/p49777853/
> http://www.sys-con.com/author/?id=4806
> http://www.fusiontap.com
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> 

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Re: Database Model Suggestions - Elections

2005-03-29 Thread Joe Rinehart
Hey Dave,

Oops!...I in no way meant to imply that Ruby on Rails uses Java, just
that they seem to be targeting the JSP market as their main market of
Ruby on Rails converts.  There's no reason, though, you can't be a
member of both sets.

Sorry if I caused anyone any confusion - I brought it up as an example
of plural tables being an accepted convention as well.

My main point was the same as yours - plural, singular, arguments can
be made for either, but consistency is the chief concern.

-Joe


On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:43:57 -0500, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Ruby on Rails, a framework gaining popularity quickly in the
> > Java set, respected by  zen-coder bigwigs, relies extensively
> > on database tables being plural.
> 
> Since Ruby on Rails uses Ruby, not Java, I suspect that once you become a
> Ruby on Rails user you're more a member of the Ruby set than the Java set.
> 
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RE: Database Model Suggestions - Elections

2005-03-29 Thread Rick Faircloth
>  I am of course, assuming that you know the difference between a
>  foreign-key constraint (which ensures data integrity by producing an
>  error if an insert/update/delete statement would create a conflicting
>  state in the data - in other words it doesn't allow the database to
>  ignore errors in your code), and simply having two tables which are
>  joined in your ad-hoc queries.

Sorry, that's what I'm saying I don't understand.  I realize you probably
don't want to go too much into the detail I'd need to full understand, but
if you have a good reference online for that I'd study it for clarification.
I've never used foreign-key constraints...sounds like something I should
learn and implement in my coding...

It sounds like something I do when I don't allow the deletion of a
Real Estate agent when they still have properties in the database
assigned to them, which would ...anything to do with something like that?

Rick



-Original Message-
From: S.Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 10:49 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Database Model Suggestions - Elections


> HmmmI took a look at that page and was pleased to see
> that I follow the standards closely, but I've never used a
> "corresponding constraint name"...

> I've always used what I considered foreign keys, by using
> the Primary Key of one table in another as a linking
> field, like the Customer_ID in the Order table...but what's
> the purpose of a "corresponding constraint name" and the
> FKn...etc., as described below?

> Rick

> The corresponding constraint names should be the table
> name followed by _FKn
> where n = 0..9 (e.g., ADDRESS_FK1, ADDRESS_FK2)

Typically you would want the naming convention applied to the foreign
key constraints if you're in the habbit (or environment) of creating
and dropping them using hand-crafted SQL scripts. I used to work for a
company in Orlando where this was the case several years ago (just
before the dot-com collapse), although unfortunately most of the
companies I've worked for have taken an alternate route and simply
decided that foreign-key constraints are not to be used (BLECH!). I
use foreign-key constraints consistently in my own work but always
handle them in an automated fashion, so I never have any real need for
a naming convention, since I'm not hand-coding the create or drop
statements generally speaking.

I am of course, assuming that you know the difference between a
foreign-key constraint (which ensures data integrity by producing an
error if an insert/update/delete statement would create a conflicting
state in the data - in other words it doesn't allow the database to
ignore errors in your code), and simply having two tables which are
joined in your ad-hoc queries. The former is what I use - the latter
is what I'm forced to work with at my day-job.

s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080
new epoch : isn't it time for a change?

add features without fixtures with
the onTap open source framework

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RE: Table name - Singular or plural?

2005-03-29 Thread Dave Watts
> I've never understood this argument! If I have an 
> array/query/structure of colours I call in 'colours', it too 
> houses a collection of singular entities. You're naming the 
> collection not each entity inside.

No, you're not doing either. When you build a logical data model, you define
entities by giving them names and properties, and you define the
relationships between those entities. As far as your logical data model is
concerned, you don't have a set of entities within a collection, just the
one representational entity. It's only when you get to your physical data
model that entities become tables, and properties become fields, and
relationships become DRI.

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Re: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!

2005-03-29 Thread Abinidi Web Services
If it was your intention to hurt CT, then I think you are accomplishing it.  
People are really jumping on the anti-CT bandwagon here at CF-Talk, but you 
might want to read the CT forums where they have been very open and honest and 
refer to this CF-Talk post.

http://www.crystaltech.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10915 

In reading some of the forums here, there have been MANY posts, by only a FEW, 
making some pretty wild accusations.  It’s just a little strange since CT has 
been one of the leading providers for Windows and Cold Fusion hosting and the 
first company suggested by many of the vendors we use. 

I was also very interested to see Tim Buntel (from what I read is the Project 
Manager of Cold Fusion server) discuss that they were looking into CFMX7 and 
the session issues in this thread 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/messages.cfm/threadid=38982/forumid=4#198807
  It seems that CT must have a pretty good relationship with Macromedia and the 
moment CT saw the issue reported the problem from day one as a CFMX7 or JRUN 
issue.

It seems that most of these comments started at the exact same time people were 
seeing the session issues in CFMX7 and associated them with service level 
issues by CT.  In any case, I just wanted to post some of these links as I have 
been a customer for over 5 years and have been very satisfied with the service 
and the communication they have provided. 

I would like to commend Macromedia.  There was a technical support person from 
Macromedia whom I forgot their name who was posting in the CT forums confirming 
the issues and gave updates on what things they were attempting to do.  On top 
of that, we got to see some posts Tim Buntel and getting that level of 
communication from a company like Macromedia is amazing.  

In my perspective, I am pretty pleased with all the communication from CT and 
the ability to get Macromeida involved.  Again, only my 2 cents.



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RE: Table name - Singular or plural?

2005-03-29 Thread Dave Watts
> Major Red Herring.

How so? In any case, I think you mean it's a false analogy, not a "red
herring", since this isn't a detective story.

> Exactly my point. The tables represent *collections*. Plural.

Yes, but each record within a table is a product, or a person, or whatever
kind of data you're dealing with. To the extent that you want your
relationships to sound sensible, it makes more sense to talk about a product
being related to a category, rather than products being related to
categories. But again, it really isn't that important a decision, and for
one to say that the other simply makes no sense at all is pretty silly.

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RE: Table name - Singular or plural?

2005-03-29 Thread Steven Brownlee
That said, the justification for naming tables using singular
>entity names is that the tables represent collections of singular entities.

>> Exactly my point. The tables represent *collections*. Plural. 

What that means is each row represents a single entity, thus it's the PERSON
table.  Row one is a person, row two is a person, etc.  Otherwise you're
saying row one is a people, row two is a people, etc.



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Re: Has anyone else applied this patch yet???

2005-03-29 Thread Abinidi Web Services
Why did you have to use the patch to start with? I havent had a need to yet...
Just wondering

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RE: install cfmx7 on mac

2005-03-29 Thread dave
Close, you do have to tweak a config file but I did that and it is correct. I 
also found it is a known issue at Macromedia, so I may have to go with tomcat, 
I just don't know anything about it. But there is a few newer tuts at 
communtymx about installing on a mac, followed the one, but...

 All in all though I'm extremely impressed with a Mac:)

 Thanks for at least trying Adrian


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Your classpath might have something to do with it. Never having installed CF
on a Mac I could be talking nonsense though.

Ade

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Trying to get cfmx 7 installed on a mac and i have just gotten jrun
installed but when I try to start it I get an error "Error: couldn't find a
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RE: Table name - Singular or plural?

2005-03-29 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
>> That said, the justification for naming tables using
>> singular
>> entity names is that the tables represent collections of
>> singular entities. - Dave Watts

> I've never understood this argument! If I have an
> array/query/structure of
> colours I call in 'colours', it too houses a collection of
> singular
> entities. You're naming the collection not each entity
> inside.

depends... I actually name arrays singularly...

aColor[x] ... i.e.

"give me color 1" = color[1] or aColor[1]


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Re: Table name - Singular or plural?

2005-03-29 Thread Will Tomlinson
>Why would you drive on the right side of the road? I can give many reasons
>why you should drive on the left side of the road, but that aside, how does
>one drive in England? On the left side of the road.

Major Red Herring. 


That said, the justification for naming tables using singular
>entity names is that the tables represent collections of singular entities.

Exactly my point. The tables represent *collections*. Plural. 


>Let's say you have a set of products. You want to describe them within a
>table, so you name it "product". You can then talk about how you have a
>many-to-many relationship between "product" and "category", which makes more
>sense than using the plural in that a single product is what has the
>relationship to a given category, not the entire set of products. But again,
>it really doesn't make any difference, as long as you're consistent -
>there's nothing more annoying than having a database with some tables using
>singular names and others using plural names.

Understood. Thanks!  
>
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Re: CFQUERYPARAM and NVarChar datatypes

2005-03-29 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> I have a number of tables in a SQL Server database that
> have the NVarchar datatype. I want to use CFQUERYPARAM in
> my insert and updates to these columns but also want to
> support the Unicode functionality. How is this done? I
> know if I insert without CFQUERYPARAM, place an 'N' prior
> to the text, but what if I'm using CFQUERYPARAM? Thanks,

cfqueryparam handles it for you...



as long at the column is nvarchar, you should be golden. You may also
want to set the form and url scopes to UTF-8 but iirc you would want
to do that whether the data is stored in your database or not. There's
a native function to ensure that form & url scopes are a particular
character set -- the name escapes me at the moment -- it's getting
late. :)

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RE: Database Model Suggestions - Elections

2005-03-29 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> HmmmI took a look at that page and was pleased to see
> that I follow the standards closely, but I've never used a
> "corresponding constraint name"...

> I've always used what I considered foreign keys, by using
> the Primary Key of one table in another as a linking
> field, like the Customer_ID in the Order table...but what's
> the purpose of a "corresponding constraint name" and the
> FKn...etc., as described below?

> Rick

> The corresponding constraint names should be the table
> name followed by _FKn
> where n = 0..9 (e.g., ADDRESS_FK1, ADDRESS_FK2)

Typically you would want the naming convention applied to the foreign
key constraints if you're in the habbit (or environment) of creating
and dropping them using hand-crafted SQL scripts. I used to work for a
company in Orlando where this was the case several years ago (just
before the dot-com collapse), although unfortunately most of the
companies I've worked for have taken an alternate route and simply
decided that foreign-key constraints are not to be used (BLECH!). I
use foreign-key constraints consistently in my own work but always
handle them in an automated fashion, so I never have any real need for
a naming convention, since I'm not hand-coding the create or drop
statements generally speaking.

I am of course, assuming that you know the difference between a
foreign-key constraint (which ensures data integrity by producing an
error if an insert/update/delete statement would create a conflicting
state in the data - in other words it doesn't allow the database to
ignore errors in your code), and simply having two tables which are
joined in your ad-hoc queries. The former is what I use - the latter
is what I'm forced to work with at my day-job.

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RE: install cfmx7 on mac

2005-03-29 Thread Adrian Lynch
Your classpath might have something to do with it. Never having installed CF
on a Mac I could be talking nonsense though.

Ade

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Trying to get cfmx 7 installed on a mac and i have just gotten jrun
installed but when I try to start it I get an error "Error: couldn't find a
JVM"

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RE: Table name - Singular or plural?

2005-03-29 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
>  > Why would you name tables singular?

> Because you do not want to guess "What did I name that
> table, person or
> personS?"
> If you use singular you always know what the name is, and
> your fellow
> programmers will appreciate it too..

> Now let us hear your arguments as to why you would want to
> use plural?

Or for that matter programmers with bad spelling who want to use the
"addendums" table instead of the "addenda" table and are then confused
when they encounter the obligatory "entity does not exist" error.


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RE: Table name - Singular or plural?

2005-03-29 Thread Adrian Lynch
I've starting using singular for my last two projects and I'm going to stick
with it.

If you're unsure, do a project with one and then the other, see which you
get along with better.

> Because you do not want to guess "What did I name that table, person or
> personS?" - Taco Fleur

This is the exact reason I gave it ago with singular table names. tblPeople,
with a PK of PersonID or PeopleID didn't sit too well, tblPersons didn't
seem right either.

> That said, the justification for naming tables using singular
> entity names is that the tables represent collections of
> singular entities. - Dave Watts

I've never understood this argument! If I have an array/query/structure of
colours I call in 'colours', it too houses a collection of singular
entities. You're naming the collection not each entity inside.

Ade

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Subject: Table name - Singular or plural?


Why would you name tables singular? I can give many reasons why they should
be plural, but that aside, are the existing SQL Server System tables
singular or plural? Plural.

http://www.cit.cornell.edu/atc/materials/old/dbdesign/erd.pdf

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RE: Database Model Suggestions - Elections

2005-03-29 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
I'd also say that any programming framework which relies on a
not-configurable database naming convention (as opposed to allowing db
naming conventions to be configured in the framework if not ignored)
has a significant limitation if not an outright flaw. The onTap
framework uses database meta-data reported by the database to
determine such things as column names, foreign key constraints, etc.
to provide a number of its more powerful features -- working in
reverse, gathering the data which actually drives the database from
its engine, rather than relying on naming conventions to provide
schema information. It's really the only way to be certain the
information is correct.


>> Ruby on Rails, a framework gaining popularity quickly in
>> the
>> Java set, respected by  zen-coder bigwigs, relies
>> extensively
>> on database tables being plural.

> Since Ruby on Rails uses Ruby, not Java, I suspect that
> once you become a
> Ruby on Rails user you're more a member of the Ruby set
> than the Java set.


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Re: Table name - Singular or plural?

2005-03-29 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> Why would you name tables singular? I can give many
> reasons why they should be plural, but that aside, are the
> existing SQL Server System tables singular or plural?
> Plural.

> http://www.cit.cornell.edu/atc/materials/old/dbdesign/erd.
> pdf

It's a style decision.

I personally prefer singular table names because the form of plurals
is inconsistent.
contact(s)/address(es)/octop(i)-us/pe(ople)-rson/addend(a)-um ... and
because when the column names are written out it more closely
approximates natural language. I don't say "fetch me that addresses
label" (addresses.label) I say "fetch me that address label"
(address.label). I don't say "I want to know this people's name"
(people.name) I say "I want to know this person's name" (person.name).


While the system tables for SQL Server are plural that doesn't really
say much (if anything) for or against using plurals in your table
names... The system tables for Oracle iirc are singular. "select *
from col".

The fact that the pdf you cited is on the Cornell server doesn't
impress me much. The author provides no justification for the decision
one way or the other, so there's no way to evaluate from the document
whether he has a pragmatic reason or is merely making the decision
purely as a flight of fancy. Personally I suspect his reasoning is
similar to the reasoning behing not splitting infinitives.

p.s. I read your other post after this one and was realising this
could be construed as somewhat confrontational. It's really not
intended to be, I was just voicing my opinion. :) It's been said that
I appear to have a knee-jerk response to the subject of frameworks,
and I suppose that could be applied to other things also. :)


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install cfmx7 on mac

2005-03-29 Thread Dave Lyons
Trying to get cfmx 7 installed on a mac and i have just gotten jrun installed 
but when I try to start it I get an error "Error: couldn't find a JVM"

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Re: CFLDAP under load?

2005-03-29 Thread Douglas Knudsen
hmm, gonna try this.   removed the timeouts, the issue showed up for 4
times a few hours later.  Really odd.  The cfldap calls are in a cfc,
wonder if something is occuring there.  Going to try removing the SSL
in the cfldap.

D


On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:57:15 -0600, Dawson, Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Try removing the timeout attribute and see if that makes a difference.
> 
> You might also try removing ssl, if possible, just to rule that out.
> 
> M!ke
> 
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> 
> we use CFLDAP to auth our users against an LDAP server, a SunOne LDAP
> server.  Occasionaly when unde load, we get a large amount of the LDAP
> auth queries taking a long time to complete, in the 25 to 60 second
> range, normally this is takes under 1 second.  According to the LDAP
> admin, the LDAP server has no issues.  In fact, there are many many apps
> throughout our company using the LDAP, most use raw Java to connect and
> they do not have the issues when we do.  The LDAP server is load
> balanced with failover setup and all.  An example query is below.  I am
> using the VIP of  the LDAP server as I suspected some sort of DNS issue.
> Any suggestions on where to look?
> 
>  name="getldap"
> attributes="DN"
> start=" o=Alltel"
> sort="sn ASC"
> server="192.168.1.1"
> port="636"
> filter="uid=#arguments.uid#"
> maxrows="1"
> secure="CFSSL_BASIC"
> timeout="2"
> >
> --
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> 
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RE: Table name - Singular or plural?

2005-03-29 Thread Dave Watts
> Why would you name tables singular? I can give many reasons 
> why they should be plural, but that aside, are the existing 
> SQL Server System tables singular or plural? Plural.

Why would you drive on the right side of the road? I can give many reasons
why you should drive on the left side of the road, but that aside, how does
one drive in England? On the left side of the road.

How you name your database tables is a convention, and as such, doesn't
really matter as long as you are consistent in your application of the
convention. That said, the justification for naming tables using singular
entity names is that the tables represent collections of singular entities.
Let's say you have a set of products. You want to describe them within a
table, so you name it "product". You can then talk about how you have a
many-to-many relationship between "product" and "category", which makes more
sense than using the plural in that a single product is what has the
relationship to a given category, not the entire set of products. But again,
it really doesn't make any difference, as long as you're consistent -
there's nothing more annoying than having a database with some tables using
singular names and others using plural names.

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RE: Table name - Singular or plural?

2005-03-29 Thread Taco Fleur
 > Why would you name tables singular?

Because you do not want to guess "What did I name that table, person or
personS?"
If you use singular you always know what the name is, and your fellow
programmers will appreciate it too..

Now let us hear your arguments as to why you would want to use plural?


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-Original Message-
From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 30 March 2005 10:42 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Table name - Singular or plural?

Why would you name tables singular? I can give many reasons why they should
be plural, but that aside, are the existing SQL Server System tables
singular or plural? Plural. 

http://www.cit.cornell.edu/atc/materials/old/dbdesign/erd.pdf

Thanks,
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Re: Has anyone else applied this patch yet???

2005-03-29 Thread Dov Katz
OK . The server was bombing out. Rolled it back. 


> I Stand Corrected.   My install *DOES* have a problem with CFLOCATION, 
> however it seems that the problem exists only when the file has 
> nothing but a CFLOCATION in it...
> 
> Example,  I have some legacy code which sits in FolderX on my site, 
> for the sole purpose of doing a 
> 
> This no longer works after the patch (didn't catch it since its an 
> obscure area of the site)   I am running MX6.1 + w2K server with 
> all the latest patches.
> 
> I have CFLOCATIONS Peppered throughout other areas of the site and it 
> works just fine.  
> 
> The following file (go.cfm) does not work:
> http://www.cnn.com";>
> 
> Neither does wrapping it in  in case presence of 
> other code impacted the situation.
> 
> HOWEVER, adding content to the page prior to the cflocation (obviously 
> assuming you dont cfflush) *DOES* work.   The below code works:  
> 
> TESTING
> http://www.cnn.com";>
> 
> 
> Any ideas.  Can someone ask MM to fix and post?
> 
> -D
> >> I applied to Dev, QA, and Production servers, all without incident.
> 
> >IIS5/W2K Servers
> >
> >Thanks for the input... However our two environments differ enough to 
> make
> >me think that you may not be affected by the issue I'm experiencing 
> anyway
> >
> >> I installed the JRun updater which included this patch on a dev box 
> today,
> >no issues so far. Running a JRun cluster even too.
> >
> >Again, this looks like our environments are sufficiently different 
> for the
> >issue not to surface on your environment
> >
> >Just as a FYI.
> >
> >I've just applied the patch to a second server to make sure I wasn't 
> going
> >totally mad and I got the same issues. Any page that has a cflocation 
> in
> >fails to force the redirect and the client seems to either sit on the 
> page
> >it was on or returns a 'Document contains no data' error...
> >
> >Again I backed the patch out of the second server and everything 
> comes back
> >to life again... 
> >
> >Other than the fact that the first server was Windows 2003 Standard 
> and the
> >second server was Windows 2003 Web Server, it's worth saying that 
> these two
> >servers share and identical configuration and security policy etc. 
> That is
> >to say all registry settings are the same, all IIS lockdown functions 
> are
> >the same.. Everything. To all intents and purposes these boxes are 
> identical
> >and therefore there must be something (a config setting) somewhere 
> that is
> >causing this behaviour with the CFMX patch and IIS 6.
> >
> >Needless to say, its annoying that I cannot apply this patch as the 
> problems
> >it is causing for me are far bigger than the problems that it 
> addresses
> >But I am affected by the issues that it solves so I would like to get 
> to the
> >bottom of it...
> >
> >If anyone has any suggestions then I'd love to hear them...
> >
>Paul

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RE: Database Model Suggestions - Elections

2005-03-29 Thread Dave Watts
> Ruby on Rails, a framework gaining popularity quickly in the 
> Java set, respected by  zen-coder bigwigs, relies extensively 
> on database tables being plural.

Since Ruby on Rails uses Ruby, not Java, I suspect that once you become a
Ruby on Rails user you're more a member of the Ruby set than the Java set.

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Re: Database Model Suggestions - Elections

2005-03-29 Thread Joe Rinehart
Ruby on Rails, a framework gaining popularity quickly in the Java set,
respected by  zen-coder bigwigs, relies extensively on database tables
being plural.

In the end, I think it's an old argument, and that it's probably more
important to be consistent than anything else.

-Joe

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:14:48 -0400, Will Tomlinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's strange!
> 
> I could swear my "database design for mere mortals" book said table names 
> should always be plural.
> 
> That's how I've always done them. It's only natural.
> 
> tblproducts
> tbladministrators
> tblsearches
> 
> etc..etc..
> 
> Singular is odd to me.
> 
> Will
> 
> 

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CV and job management system

2005-03-29 Thread Claude Schneegans
Hi,

I'm looking for a CV and job offer management system for a community.
The system can be free or not, but it needs to be customizable, and...
preferabily in ColdFusion!
Candidates can upload CVs, consult offers for jobs and submit an
application.
Potential employers can publish offers and look for CVs. Pretty simple.

Any idea?

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Table name - Singular or plural?

2005-03-29 Thread Will Tomlinson
Why would you name tables singular? I can give many reasons why they should be 
plural, but that aside, are the existing SQL Server System tables singular or 
plural? Plural. 

http://www.cit.cornell.edu/atc/materials/old/dbdesign/erd.pdf

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RE: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!

2005-03-29 Thread Connie DeCinko
That could be the case with my many issues over the past two days, but this
just reinforces what several have said before...  New techs should not be
allowed anywhere near the front line until they have been properly trained.
It's insane to place the health of your company on the backs of people with
no experience.  We should not have to ask for a supervisor to get things
resolved.
 

-Original Message-
From: Nando [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 6:24 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!

Connie,

It's seemed to me over the past few weeks that they might have hired
some new tech support people who don't really know the ropes yet. It
can easily happen to a company that's expanding that there are a few
more inexperienced people than would be optimal. When i ran into a
problem a week or so ago with support, i called them, hung on with the
guy who i got on the line, and finally he passed me on to his tech
supervisor. The supervisor knew exactly what i was talking about,
fixed it immediately, and said it should be no problem in the future.
He thanked me for pointing out an issue that indicated his guys needed
more training, and that he would go over that procedure with everyone
in tomorrow's meeting.

Next time there's a disconnect, i'm just going to call and ask if the
tech supervisor is available. He was really very helpful. And i'm
going to be nice and patient, even if i'm a little frustrated, because
i know i would never be able to think through a technical, detailed
issue properly if someone is stressing me. My feeling is that tech
people doing tech things can't handle emotional stress - it's more
than enough just dealing with the detail all day long.


On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:02:27 -0700, Connie DeCinko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Beware that if you post anything remotely negative in the CrytalTech
forums,
> your post will be deleted!  The very truthful accounting of facts I posted
> this morning was deleted without notice.
> 
> 



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RE: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!

2005-03-29 Thread Connie DeCinko
I agree.  He sure makes sure everyone knows how he feels.  Anyone who
disagrees, vanishes.
 

-Original Message-
From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 5:35 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!

Derek is a good guy. I don't trust any of the other ones as far as I can
throw them. I've gotten to many wacky answers that conflicted with other
answers. 

To me, I think the biggest problem, OR the biggest thing that pisses me off
is the inflated ego of CEO Tim U. 

He comes across as VERY arrogant. "Do you know who I am? I AM THE CEO!" 

I'm just not into that kinda stuff. 


Signed,
Rufus   :)



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Re: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!

2005-03-29 Thread Will Tomlinson
Derek is a good guy. I don't trust any of the other ones as far as I can throw 
them. I've gotten to many wacky answers that conflicted with other answers. 

To me, I think the biggest problem, OR the biggest thing that pisses me off is 
the inflated ego of CEO Tim U. 

He comes across as VERY arrogant. "Do you know who I am? I AM THE CEO!" 

I'm just not into that kinda stuff. 


Signed,
Rufus   :)

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RE: nesting variables...

2005-03-29 Thread James Holmes
And if you aren't in a loop, #countryName[region][1]#

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Subject: RE: nesting variables...

#countryName[region][countryName.currentrow]#

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Re: Has anyone else applied this patch yet???

2005-03-29 Thread Chris Kief | Mindflood
I'm seeing the same problems here. Had to remove this patch.

Chris



On 3/28/05 5:04 PM, "Paul Vernon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> With regards to the following patch, has anyone applied it yet...
> 
> ColdFusion MX 6.1 Updater: Hot Fix to upgrade web server connectors
> http://www.macromedia.com/go/238944b1
> 
> I applied it earlier today and since then I have had my database connections
> go down TWICE, and ALL my cflocation's throughout all of the sites on the
> server concerned returned a 'Document contains no data' or 'Page cannot be
> displayed' error.
> 
> I just backed out the patch be renaming the wsconfig.jar and re-compiling
> the old one using the command line instructions in the technote and lo and
> behold, all the cflocations are now working again and my databases seem to
> be totally solid again.
> 
> This was applied to a fully patched CFMX 6.1 install running on W2k3 IIS 6.0
> fully patched.
> 
> Any info or reproductions of this would be most appreciated.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Database Model Suggestions - Elections

2005-03-29 Thread Will Tomlinson
Here are some of the standards I use. 

http://www.cit.cornell.edu/atc/materials/old/dbdesign/erd.pdf

Will

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Re: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!

2005-03-29 Thread Nando
Connie,

It's seemed to me over the past few weeks that they might have hired
some new tech support people who don't really know the ropes yet. It
can easily happen to a company that's expanding that there are a few
more inexperienced people than would be optimal. When i ran into a
problem a week or so ago with support, i called them, hung on with the
guy who i got on the line, and finally he passed me on to his tech
supervisor. The supervisor knew exactly what i was talking about,
fixed it immediately, and said it should be no problem in the future.
He thanked me for pointing out an issue that indicated his guys needed
more training, and that he would go over that procedure with everyone
in tomorrow's meeting.

Next time there's a disconnect, i'm just going to call and ask if the
tech supervisor is available. He was really very helpful. And i'm
going to be nice and patient, even if i'm a little frustrated, because
i know i would never be able to think through a technical, detailed
issue properly if someone is stressing me. My feeling is that tech
people doing tech things can't handle emotional stress - it's more
than enough just dealing with the detail all day long.


On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:02:27 -0700, Connie DeCinko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Beware that if you post anything remotely negative in the CrytalTech forums,
> your post will be deleted!  The very truthful accounting of facts I posted
> this morning was deleted without notice.
> 
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Re: Has anyone else applied this patch yet???

2005-03-29 Thread Dov Katz
I Stand Corrected.   My install *DOES* have a problem with CFLOCATION, however 
it seems that the problem exists only when the file has nothing but a 
CFLOCATION in it...

Example,  I have some legacy code which sits in FolderX on my site, for the 
sole purpose of doing a 

This no longer works after the patch (didn't catch it since its an obscure area 
of the site)   I am running MX6.1 + w2K server with all the latest patches.

I have CFLOCATIONS Peppered throughout other areas of the site and it works 
just fine.  

The following file (go.cfm) does not work:
http://www.cnn.com";>

Neither does wrapping it in  in case presence of other code 
impacted the situation.

HOWEVER, adding content to the page prior to the cflocation (obviously assuming 
you dont cfflush) *DOES* work.   The below code works:  

TESTING
http://www.cnn.com";>


Any ideas.  Can someone ask MM to fix and post?

-D
>> I applied to Dev, QA, and Production servers, all without incident.
>IIS5/W2K Servers
>
>Thanks for the input... However our two environments differ enough to make
>me think that you may not be affected by the issue I'm experiencing anyway
>
>> I installed the JRun updater which included this patch on a dev box today,
>no issues so far. Running a JRun cluster even too.
>
>Again, this looks like our environments are sufficiently different for the
>issue not to surface on your environment
>
>Just as a FYI.
>
>I've just applied the patch to a second server to make sure I wasn't going
>totally mad and I got the same issues. Any page that has a cflocation in
>fails to force the redirect and the client seems to either sit on the page
>it was on or returns a 'Document contains no data' error...
>
>Again I backed the patch out of the second server and everything comes back
>to life again... 
>
>Other than the fact that the first server was Windows 2003 Standard and the
>second server was Windows 2003 Web Server, it's worth saying that these two
>servers share and identical configuration and security policy etc. That is
>to say all registry settings are the same, all IIS lockdown functions are
>the same.. Everything. To all intents and purposes these boxes are identical
>and therefore there must be something (a config setting) somewhere that is
>causing this behaviour with the CFMX patch and IIS 6.
>
>Needless to say, its annoying that I cannot apply this patch as the problems
>it is causing for me are far bigger than the problems that it addresses
>But I am affected by the issues that it solves so I would like to get to the
>bottom of it...
>
>If anyone has any suggestions then I'd love to hear them...
>
>Paul

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Re: Database Model Suggestions - Elections

2005-03-29 Thread Will Tomlinson
That's strange!

I could swear my "database design for mere mortals" book said table names 
should always be plural. 

That's how I've always done them. It's only natural. 

tblproducts
tbladministrators
tblsearches

etc..etc..

Singular is odd to me. 

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Display the values of cfgridcolumn

2005-03-29 Thread Jason Rogoz
Does anyone know if there is a way to access the values of the cfgridcolumns in 
a cfgrid...i basically want to check if a checkbox has been selected and that a 
couple other columns have appropriate data

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Re: Is this campsite available

2005-03-29 Thread Jim McAtee
This is the same scenario as a concert or sports ticketing system where 
you purchase reserved seats.

In most of these systems they reserve the ticket as soon as you indicate 
you wish to buy it.  If you don't complete the transaction then it becomes 
available once again after X minutes - usually something like 5 to 15 
minutes, whatever is reasonable for completing the checkout process, but 
also depending on demand.  For a campsite ticketing system, I doubt you'd 
have to worry about making the time period too long.

Go to ticketmaster.com and begin the purchase of some tickets - I believe 
the system shows you how long you have to complete the purchase before the 
tickets are released.


- Original Message - 
From: "Parker, Kevin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 5:32 PM
Subject: Is this campsite available


> I'd be most grateful for a little bit of advice from this list please.
>
> I am working on a campsite booking system. The main issue of course is
> that unlike an item in a shop, any given campsite is only available once
> on any given day.
>
> Here's a likely scenario...
>
> User A indicates that he wants Campsite 1 for Day X. He is then moved
> through to the payment system and payments is processed and the booking
> is recorded in the system. Campsite 1 is now not available for Day X to
> anyone other than User A.
>
> That works fine. However, along comes User B who also picks Campsite 1
> for Day X before User A's payment is processed. We could deal with this
> by placing a reserved flag on Campsite 1 as soon as User A indicates he
> wants it which precludes User B from selecting it. If User A's payment
> is rejected then we unreserve Campsite 1.
>
> However, what happens if User A does not actually complete the
> transaction (as opposed to it being rejected) We now have a campsite
> sitting there with a reserved lock on it but no booking.
>
> Any clues on strategy greatly appreciated


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RE: Is this campsite available

2005-03-29 Thread Connie DeCinko
Do like Ticketmaster and allow 10 minutes to complete the transaction or the
site goes back to the available inventory list.  Dell does something similar
with their refurb computers.  If you add it to your cart and leave, after a
timeout, it goes back to the inventory.
 

-Original Message-
From: Parker, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 5:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Is this campsite available

I'd be most grateful for a little bit of advice from this list please.

I am working on a campsite booking system. The main issue of course is
that unlike an item in a shop, any given campsite is only available once
on any given day.

Here's a likely scenario...

User A indicates that he wants Campsite 1 for Day X. He is then moved
through to the payment system and payments is processed and the booking
is recorded in the system. Campsite 1 is now not available for Day X to
anyone other than User A.

That works fine. However, along comes User B who also picks Campsite 1
for Day X before User A's payment is processed. We could deal with this
by placing a reserved flag on Campsite 1 as soon as User A indicates he
wants it which precludes User B from selecting it. If User A's payment
is rejected then we unreserve Campsite 1.

However, what happens if User A does not actually complete the
transaction (as opposed to it being rejected) We now have a campsite
sitting there with a reserved lock on it but no booking. 

Any clues on strategy greatly appreciated


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Re: DreamweaverMX and MS Visual Source Safe Integration Help

2005-03-29 Thread Doug Strickland
"And you can upload/download the files either with the VSS client or DW 
check-in/out tools between this folder and the SourceSafe repository."

I didn't realize that you could upload/download between the "working" folder 
and the SourceSafe repository with the DW check-in/out tools...I'll have to 
check that out, thanks.

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Is this campsite available

2005-03-29 Thread Parker, Kevin
I'd be most grateful for a little bit of advice from this list please.

I am working on a campsite booking system. The main issue of course is
that unlike an item in a shop, any given campsite is only available once
on any given day.

Here's a likely scenario...

User A indicates that he wants Campsite 1 for Day X. He is then moved
through to the payment system and payments is processed and the booking
is recorded in the system. Campsite 1 is now not available for Day X to
anyone other than User A.

That works fine. However, along comes User B who also picks Campsite 1
for Day X before User A's payment is processed. We could deal with this
by placing a reserved flag on Campsite 1 as soon as User A indicates he
wants it which precludes User B from selecting it. If User A's payment
is rejected then we unreserve Campsite 1.

However, what happens if User A does not actually complete the
transaction (as opposed to it being rejected) We now have a campsite
sitting there with a reserved lock on it but no booking. 

Any clues on strategy greatly appreciated


++
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RE: Database Model Suggestions - Elections

2005-03-29 Thread Rick Faircloth
HmmmI took a look at that page and was pleased to see
that I follow the standards closely, but I've never used a
"corresponding constraint name"...

I've always used what I considered foreign keys, by using
the Primary Key of one table in another as a linking field,
like the Customer_ID in the Order table...but what's the purpose
of a "corresponding constraint name" and the FKn...etc., as
described below?

Rick

The corresponding constraint names should be the table name followed by _FKn
where n = 0..9 (e.g., ADDRESS_FK1, ADDRESS_FK2)






-Original Message-
From: Chris Terrebonne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 4:29 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Database Model Suggestions - Elections


Here are a few general db standards:

http://livedocs.macromedia.com/wtg/public/coding_standards/database.html



>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/29/05 01:37PM >>>
Why is everyone naming their tables singularly?

:)

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CFQUERYPARAM and NVarChar datatypes

2005-03-29 Thread Phillip Duba
I have a number of tables in a SQL Server database that have the NVarchar 
datatype. I want to use CFQUERYPARAM in my insert and updates to these columns 
but also want to support the Unicode functionality. How is this done? I know if 
I insert without CFQUERYPARAM, place an 'N' prior to the text, but what if I'm 
using CFQUERYPARAM? Thanks,

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Re: New CFFORM website

2005-03-29 Thread Sean Corfield
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:35:47 -0500, Calvin Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Um, I know that, what I meant was, what does the "markme" mean in the domain
> name?

Ah, sorry... It turns out there's an interesting story behind the domain name!

Mike Chambers owned it before he joined Macromedia. He intended it to
be a central bookmark storage website - websites could carry a "Mark
Me!" button and it would store the link on the markme website... Later
the site became a popular community site for Generator... Then, after
Mike joined MM, it became the fledgling Macromedia weblog site and
just sort of grew...

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there will be a new version of the news aggregator too with lots of
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RE: DreamweaverMX and MS Visual Source Safe Integration Help

2005-03-29 Thread Ian Skinner
Ok, I remember that, yes, my u drive folder is the VSS "working" folder.  And 
you can upload/download the files either with the VSS client or DW check-in/out 
tools between this folder and the SourceSafe repository.


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-Original Message-
From: Doug Strickland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 10:19 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: DreamweaverMX and MS Visual Source Safe Integration Help

Ian,

Yes that did help, thanks!
It's up and running correctly!
My Project path was wrong (i.e. Project: $/CFprojects/cps, under "Remote
View") ...Once I corrected that everything went smoothly.

Also, I just wanted to let explain what I was talking about when
referring to the "Working Folder" in my earlier post.

We have the same set-up as you, our VSS is on another server...
While in VSS, if you rt-click on your project, the second option down
should be "Set Working Folder..."; from here you can traverse your local
box and place the files that are in your project, locally on your box
(wherever you specify). Then when you (in VSS) hit the "SourceSafe" tab
(or Ctrl+G) it will put the 'latest and greatest' in that local
directory. And this local directory, is where I am pointing my DW 'Local
Info' to, that way we are always working with the latest version from
source safe.

Sorry to ramble on.
Thanks for the help!


V/R,
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Re: plum missing mscoree.dll

2005-03-29 Thread Adam Churvis
The requirements for installation and the URL to the .NET Framework V1.1 are
in the installer and on our website, but here's a copy for your convenience:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=262d25e3-f589-4842-8157-034d1e7cf3a3

Also, our website has a Troubleshooting Wizard that would have solved this
problem for you:

http://www.productivityenhancement.com/support

You can also join the Plum Discussion List:

http://www.productivityenhancement.com/support/DiscussionListsForm.cfm

If you have any further issues, please feel free to call either me or David
at 770-446-8866.

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Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 3:16 PM
Subject: plum missing mscoree.dll


> Hi,
> I'm checking out the plum ide and it doesnt load right. It gives an
> error saying it cant find the file mscoree.dll on the server.
>
> if someone is using plum, can you forward me the dll.  Of if there is
> a known workaround, let me know.
>
> Thanks.
> DRE
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RE: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!

2005-03-29 Thread Connie DeCinko
They blow me away how one tech says they don't support such and such while
another says, hey, no problem. 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 2:48 PM
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well any host will have some sort of problems, it's the ones who deal with
it correctly who are the good hosts and the other one is.CT haha




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Re: Database Model Suggestions - Elections

2005-03-29 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> Here are a few general db standards:

> http://livedocs.macromedia.com/wtg/public/coding_standards
> /database.html

I agree with some of these but not all of them...

My list:

1) singular table names - agreed
(though I'm not too disturbed if I find one that's not)

2) descriptive primary keys matching a convention, preverably
"tablenameid" -- agreed
(I'm horribly disturbed if I find one that's not)


3) descriptive column names in general - agreed -
(it seems like it's often tough to get people to agree on what
constitutes descriptive unfortunately)

4) table names repeated in column names - yes and no -
generally speaking I think that including the table name as a prefix
in a column name is useful as I've frequently run into situations
where the column name would otherwise appear in multiple tables in a
view or ad-hoc query and prefixing the column with the table name
eliminates the need to alias the column in the view or query - the
tables can simply retain their existing column names

5) primary and foreign key column names - yes and no - a standardized
naming convention can be helpful, although I don't consider it
mandatory - I rarely access primary or foreign keys except in a very
automated way, in which case the name is irrespective of the task -
though if I were going to specify a naming convention for foreign
keys, I wouldn't use a sequential number as part of the foreign key
name, primarily because it takes the place of less arbitrary
information (the name of the alternate table) but also because the
number itself is just meaningless and prone to becoming "jigsawed"
later -- that is, you create 3 foreign keys then later decide that the
column associated with foreign key 2 isn't necessary so you now have
fk1 and fk3 but not fk2 -- or you have to renumber your fk's...
blech...

6) no surrogate keys in many-to-many relationship tables unless
additional information is included in the relationship data - agreed -
additionally, all tables must have a single-column primary key unless
they are many-to-many relationship tables (and in most many-to-many
relationship tables I would apply a multi-column primary key including
all relevant foreign keys in the table)

7) related columns grouped together - isn't this more of a feature of
the tool used to display the database than of the database itself? I
tend to use inverted column names so that an alphabetical sort of the
columns will produce this grouping automatically, so my guideline
would probably be "namefirst" and "namelast" not "firstname" and
"lastname".

8) created / updated columns in all tables -- agreed -- I'd only
ammend this to say in all tables which have a primary key (see
surrogate keys) or possibly in all tables which are not many-to-many
relationship tables.


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RE: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!

2005-03-29 Thread Ray Champagne
"X-Ray" could be the name of my alcohol-fueled alter-egoI have one, 
just never thought of a good name for him.  I think I have a winner!

At 04:47 PM 3/29/2005, you wrote:
>At least the camp is named for you.
>
>X-Ray!
>
>(But what does the X stand for? Export? Execute? Is it just above R-Ray
>and below XXX-Ray based on sexual content?)
>
>Jerry Johnson
>Web Developer
>Dolan Media Company
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Connie DeCinko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Camp X-Ray for you!
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 2:31 PM
>
>
>
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RE: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!

2005-03-29 Thread Ken Ferguson
Sounds like a forum that they OWN to me.

-Original Message-
From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 3:12 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!

Sounds like 70's Communism, if you ask me.


At 04:02 PM 3/29/2005, you wrote:
>Beware that if you post anything remotely negative in the CrytalTech
forums,
>your post will be deleted!  The very truthful accounting of facts I
posted
>this morning was deleted without notice.
>
>
>
>
>
>



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RE: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!

2005-03-29 Thread dave
well any host will have some sort of problems, it's the ones who deal with it 
correctly who are the good hosts and the other one is.CT haha


From: "Connie DeCinko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 4:43 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: RE: CrystalTech does not like negative comments! 

I used to sing their praises, now, they just get me very mad! This should
not happen! Everyone said support would go down hill after they sold out to
a company with no web hosting background!

-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 2:23 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: re: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!

CRYSTAL TECH has some SERIOUS issues!
 We were having the discussion on their issues on another list and they came
ablazin with threats from lawyers and everything.
 A good host like HMS will listen to those issues, problems, etc., and they
will fix them but like bud said not long ago about him posting an issue and
they threatened to remove all 200+ of his sites. Thats just a crap azz
company if you ask me!

 Maybe if they did things right they wouldn't have so many problems in the
first place.

 I'm sure Connie and I will be recieving legal letters shortly from
them


From: "Connie DeCinko" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 4:14 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: CrystalTech does not like negative comments! 

Beware that if you post anything remotely negative in the CrytalTech forums,
your post will be deleted! The very truthful accounting of facts I posted
this morning was deleted without notice.



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RE: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!

2005-03-29 Thread jerry johnson
At least the camp is named for you.

X-Ray!

(But what does the X stand for? Export? Execute? Is it just above R-Ray
and below XXX-Ray based on sexual content?)

Jerry Johnson
Web Developer
Dolan Media Company


-Original Message-
From: Connie DeCinko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Camp X-Ray for you!

-Original Message-
From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 2:31 PM



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re: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!

2005-03-29 Thread dave
lmfao
 well thats better than what i would call them and I'm even in a good mood now 
lol.


From: Ray Champagne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 4:34 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: re: CrystalTech does not like negative comments! 

uh oh. I called them communists. will I be labeled a terrorist? will i 
be deported? I am scared

At 04:23 PM 3/29/2005, you wrote:
>CRYSTAL TECH has some SERIOUS issues!
> We were having the discussion on their issues on another list and they 
> came ablazin with threats from lawyers and everything.
> A good host like HMS will listen to those issues, problems, etc., and 
> they will fix them but like bud said not long ago about him posting an 
> issue and they threatened to remove all 200+ of his sites. Thats just a 
> crap azz company if you ask me!
>
> Maybe if they did things right they wouldn't have so many problems in 
> the first place.
>
> I'm sure Connie and I will be recieving legal letters shortly from 
> them
>
>
>From: "Connie DeCinko" 
>Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 4:14 PM
>To: CF-Talk 
>Subject: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!
>
>Beware that if you post anything remotely negative in the CrytalTech forums,
>your post will be deleted! The very truthful accounting of facts I posted
>this morning was deleted without notice.
>
>
>
>



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RE: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!

2005-03-29 Thread Connie DeCinko
Camp X-Ray for you!
 

-Original Message-
From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 2:31 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: re: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!

uh oh.  I called them communists.  will I be labeled a terrorist?  will i 
be deported?  I am scared

At 04:23 PM 3/29/2005, you wrote:
>CRYSTAL TECH has some SERIOUS issues!
>  We were having the discussion on their issues on another list and they 
> came ablazin with threats from lawyers and everything.
>  A good host like HMS will listen to those issues, problems, etc., and 
> they will fix them but like bud said not long ago about him posting an 
> issue and they threatened to remove all 200+ of his sites. Thats just a 
> crap azz company if you ask me!
>
>  Maybe if they did things right they wouldn't have so many problems in 
> the first place.
>
>  I'm sure Connie and I will be recieving legal letters shortly from 
> them
>
>
>From: "Connie DeCinko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 4:14 PM
>To: CF-Talk 
>Subject: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!
>
>Beware that if you post anything remotely negative in the CrytalTech
forums,
>your post will be deleted! The very truthful accounting of facts I posted
>this morning was deleted without notice.
>
>
>
>



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re: Flash Form woes

2005-03-29 Thread dave
try using something like this for text inside the flash form

   
             Throw your text in 
here 
              
          


From: "Matt Osbun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 3:24 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: Flash Form woes 

We just installed Coldfusion 7 on one of our webservers, and I've just
started using the new form capabilities- specifically Flash format and
the  and  tags. I've been copying example code
from various locations (CF docs, cfform.com, etc) and running them on
our server, and I've noticed that the forms do not act the same when the
code is run on our server.

Specifically:
 does not actually display the text. For
instance, Pets: does
not display the text "Pets".

 is ignoring tags. When I tried to use Ron Pasch 's
Flash "Slush Box", the code 

 Sue Hove
 Simon Slooten
 Ron Pasch

created a multi-select box, but did not populate the specified values.

And to top it off, the cursor on the form is always the Clock- as if
something else is trying to load, but can't. Which is leading me to
believe that either something is misconfigured on the server, or just
plain not installed, but for the life of me, I can't figure out what.

What am I missing? 

Matt Osbun
Web Developer
Health Systems, International



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RE: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!

2005-03-29 Thread Connie DeCinko
I used to sing their praises, now, they just get me very mad!  This should
not happen!  Everyone said support would go down hill after they sold out to
a company with no web hosting background!
 

-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 2:23 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: re: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!

CRYSTAL TECH has some SERIOUS issues!
 We were having the discussion on their issues on another list and they came
ablazin with threats from lawyers and everything.
 A good host like HMS will listen to those issues, problems, etc., and they
will fix them but like bud said not long ago about him posting an issue and
they threatened to remove all 200+ of his sites. Thats just a crap azz
company if you ask me!

 Maybe if they did things right they wouldn't have so many problems in the
first place.

 I'm sure Connie and I will be recieving legal letters shortly from
them


From: "Connie DeCinko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 4:14 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: CrystalTech does not like negative comments! 

Beware that if you post anything remotely negative in the CrytalTech forums,
your post will be deleted! The very truthful accounting of facts I posted
this morning was deleted without notice.





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re: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!

2005-03-29 Thread Ray Champagne
uh oh.  I called them communists.  will I be labeled a terrorist?  will i 
be deported?  I am scared

At 04:23 PM 3/29/2005, you wrote:
>CRYSTAL TECH has some SERIOUS issues!
>  We were having the discussion on their issues on another list and they 
> came ablazin with threats from lawyers and everything.
>  A good host like HMS will listen to those issues, problems, etc., and 
> they will fix them but like bud said not long ago about him posting an 
> issue and they threatened to remove all 200+ of his sites. Thats just a 
> crap azz company if you ask me!
>
>  Maybe if they did things right they wouldn't have so many problems in 
> the first place.
>
>  I'm sure Connie and I will be recieving legal letters shortly from 
> them
>
>
>From: "Connie DeCinko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 4:14 PM
>To: CF-Talk 
>Subject: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!
>
>Beware that if you post anything remotely negative in the CrytalTech forums,
>your post will be deleted! The very truthful accounting of facts I posted
>this morning was deleted without notice.
>
>
>
>

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Re: Database Model Suggestions - Elections

2005-03-29 Thread Chris Terrebonne
Here are a few general db standards:

http://livedocs.macromedia.com/wtg/public/coding_standards/database.html 



>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/29/05 01:37PM >>>
Why is everyone naming their tables singularly? 

:)

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RE: Best practice question?

2005-03-29 Thread Calvin Ward
That may be so, but in my thoughts, FORM and URL are implicitly similar in
functionality, however CGI and Cookie are different.

- Calvin

-Original Message-
From: Joe Rinehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 2:06 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Best practice question?

I dunno, I sorta disagree.  If you're savvy enough to monkey with URL,
you're implicity altering a CGI value, and are probably savvy enough
to edit (unencrypted) cookies.

-Joe

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:43:41 -0500, Calvin Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm not sure that would be a good idea, both FORM and URL are tied to user
> submitted fields, while CGI and Cookie are usually not so.
> 
> - Calvin
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Joe Rinehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 7:28 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Best practice question?
> 
> I'm half-tempted to expand Model-Glue to treat CGI in the same manner.
>  It'd be nice to have one big "untrustable" scope for validation and
> security purposes.  However, thinking along that line, I should also
> include Cookie, but that's getting into four layers of priority, which
> could be confusing.  Anyone else have any thoughts on this?
> 
> -Joe
> 
> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:17:06 -0800, Sean Corfield
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 23:10:09 -0500, Justin D. Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > That's why I like the way FuseBox handles input.  So much so that I
use
> it
> > > even outside my FuseBox apps.  It takes all of the FORM and URL
> variables
> > > and moves them to the ATTRIBUTES scope if it doesn't already exist.
> >
> > Just to note that Mach II and ModelGlue also both do something very
> > similar - they copy all form and URL variables into a single event
> > object to make it possible to access them without caring where they
> > came from.
> >
> > So it's a common enough technique that I suspect more people like it
> > than dislike it...
> > --
> > Sean A Corfield -- http://corfield.org/
> > Team Fusebox -- http://fusebox.org/
> > Got Gmail? -- I have 50, yes 50, invites to give away!
> >
> > "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
> > -- Margaret Atwood
> >
> >
> 
> 



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re: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!

2005-03-29 Thread dave
CRYSTAL TECH has some SERIOUS issues!
 We were having the discussion on their issues on another list and they came 
ablazin with threats from lawyers and everything.
 A good host like HMS will listen to those issues, problems, etc., and they 
will fix them but like bud said not long ago about him posting an issue and 
they threatened to remove all 200+ of his sites. Thats just a crap azz company 
if you ask me!

 Maybe if they did things right they wouldn't have so many problems in the 
first place.

 I'm sure Connie and I will be recieving legal letters shortly from 
them


From: "Connie DeCinko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 4:14 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: CrystalTech does not like negative comments! 

Beware that if you post anything remotely negative in the CrytalTech forums,
your post will be deleted! The very truthful accounting of facts I posted
this morning was deleted without notice.



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Re: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!

2005-03-29 Thread Ray Champagne
Sounds like 70's Communism, if you ask me.


At 04:02 PM 3/29/2005, you wrote:
>Beware that if you post anything remotely negative in the CrytalTech forums,
>your post will be deleted!  The very truthful accounting of facts I posted
>this morning was deleted without notice.
>
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: MAX 2005 [USA] City?

2005-03-29 Thread Connie DeCinko
Is that a tease?  What cool things do we have to look forward too?  
 

-Original Message-
From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 1:28 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: MAX 2005 [USA] City?

> And a lot of companies require 12 to 18 months advance notice for the
budget
> request.  My old boss wanted hard numbers for the conference.  Giving a
ball
> park estimate of airfare and hotel were never good enough.

Planning an event this big is alot of work, and the timing is often
dependant on product release dates and other variables that simply
aren't known that far in advance.

You can please all the people all the time. 

-Cameron




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Re: .html files in cfmx7

2005-03-29 Thread Tony Weeg
:) nice.

john... new company?

-- 
tony

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RE: Database Model Suggestions - Elections

2005-03-29 Thread Steve Brownlee
Standards.  Tables should represent an entity, such as an employee or
candidate.  Just how most of us have been taught to do it.

-Original Message-
From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 2:37 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Database Model Suggestions - Elections

Why is everyone naming their tables singularly? 

:)

Will

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Generating FlashPaper from PDF?

2005-03-29 Thread Kevin Graeme
Is there a way to generate FlashPaper from PDF at the server? To make it
easier, the app is a simple content repository that lets people upload their
PDF so the conversion could take place once when saving the files instead of
trying to do it dynamically on every output.

To make it a little harder, this is on linux.

---
Kevin Graeme
Cooperative Extension Technology Services
University of Wisconsin-Extension



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RE: Flash Form woes

2005-03-29 Thread Ken Ferguson
The cursor always being the clock and the data not populating are the
same issues I'm having on one of my servers. It's driving me insane.
I've installed and reinstalled to no avail. This is all working on my
dev and staging boxes, but not on my production machine. Also, it's
working on ONE of the websites on my production machine, but not the
others. (yes, the cfide folder IS available from them.)

--Ferg

-Original Message-
From: Matt Osbun [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 2:11 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Flash Form woes

We just installed Coldfusion 7 on one of our webservers, and I've just
started using the new form capabilities- specifically Flash format and
the  and  tags.  I've been copying example code
from various locations (CF docs, cfform.com, etc) and running them on
our server, and I've noticed that the forms do not act the same when the
code is run on our server.
 
Specifically:
 does not actually display the text.  For
instance, Pets: does
not display the text "Pets".
 
 is ignoring  tags.  When I tried to use Ron Pasch 's
Flash "Slush Box", the code  

Sue Hove
Simon Slooten
Ron Pasch

created a multi-select box, but did not populate the specified values.
 
And to top it off, the cursor on the form is always the Clock- as if
something else is trying to load, but can't.  Which is leading me to
believe that either something is misconfigured on the server, or just
plain not installed, but for the life of me, I can't figure out what.
 
What am I missing?  
 
 
 
Matt Osbun
Web Developer
Health Systems, International




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CrystalTech does not like negative comments!

2005-03-29 Thread Connie DeCinko
Beware that if you post anything remotely negative in the CrytalTech forums,
your post will be deleted!  The very truthful accounting of facts I posted
this morning was deleted without notice.
 




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RE: plum missing mscoree.dll

2005-03-29 Thread Dave Watts
> I'm checking out the plum ide and it doesnt load right. It 
> gives an error saying it cant find the file mscoree.dll on 
> the server.
> 
> if someone is using plum, can you forward me the dll.  Of if 
> there is a known workaround, let me know.

You need to install the .NET Framework to run PLUM. You can get that from
Windows Update. I think you'll need more than just that one DLL.

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RE: just noticed this when validating email

2005-03-29 Thread Rick Faircloth
Thanks for the advice and encouragement, Rebecca!  :o)

Rick


-Original Message-
From: Rebecca Wells [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 1:01 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: just noticed this when validating email


Start by picking up the Visual Quickstart Guide for Javascript that I told
you about. It lends its self well to the kind of learning that you are
asking for (called "just- in-time learning). Here's another tip from someone
who is self-taught: when you see a web page that does something cool, check
the page source and see how they do the javascript. You can learn *a lot*
that way, not to mention copy scripts to use on your own web sites. You can
search the web for javascripts for whatever you need and usually find
something out there you can use, or adapt as a starting point. We all stand
on the shoulders of those who have gone before us.

As for working with customers with small budgets and large expectations: its
up to you to help them to understand that a certain amount of functionality
that you get from javascript is not really optional. You wouldn't build a
house but leave off the door knobs because doors can be opened without them,
right? No, that's not a good option unless you want to look really bad. And
do you really want to be known for performing that kind of work? No, I
didn't think so. It really won't help you to attract customers of a higher
caliber who are willing to pay more. So, its up to you to educate your users
that it's all part of the package, and be able to provide these amenities as
part of your service delivery package. Then you must learn to go after the
customers who do understand and are willing to pay a fair fee for these
services. If you spend all your time on 2-bit jobs, you won't have time to
market your services to higher paying customers. Don't be afraid to set the
bar a little
  higher and you should eventually see it pay off.


>You're right...customers do expect more...I'm trying to keep up!  (Somewhat
>:o)
>(Still using CF 4.5.2!  :o)
>
>I wish I could find more customers with bigger budgets who were willing
>to pay for "higher-level" work so I could afford the time to delve into
some
>of the finer functionality of CF and JS, etc...but around here, budgets are
>always
>small...very small...and they are almost always interested in how little
>money they can spend rather than having what they need in a web site /
>application.
>
>A few years ago, I finally started hosting my own customers' sites, simply
>because
>I couldn't make enough just developing websites...
>
>I just need to find the right resources that will allow me to learn JS a
>little at a time,
>as time allows, and integrate them into apps I can actually get paid for.
>
>Maybe someone should start a subscription service to the "2-Minute
>Javascript Tutor"
>and send 4 tutorials a month, for $10 per month  You learn some basics and
>actually
>build something you can use anywhere from 1-4 times per month, based on the
>complexity of the application.  If the content were good enough the ROI
>sufficient,
>I'd buy that...especially if it taught how to integrate it into CF apps...
>
>Want to start a new business, Rebecca?  Sounds like you've come up through
>the
>ranks of JS and can remember what it was like to know nothing about the
>subject.
>You're just the kind of person to write the tutorials...once someone's been
>doing
>something so long they forget what it's like not to know how to do it,
>they're usually
>no good at writing beginners' tutorials...
>
>Rick
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Rebecca Wells [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 5:30 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Re: just noticed this when validating email
>
>
>Rick:
>
>JavaScript will elevate the "low-level" work you currently do now to more
>professional, full-featured applications that users have come to expect.
>Certainly, you must want to know how to make your web pages more dymamic
and
>your forms more secure and accurate, yes? Perhaps you'd like to be able to
>set one form field using the selction in another? Once you get to know
>Javascript, you will wonder what you ever did without it. HTML, Javascript,
>and ColdFusion go together like Bacon, Lettuce and Tomato!
>
>Don't freak out, but along with Javascript, Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) is
>another tool that is a must-have for any self-respecting developer. Web
>develoment is not a career for folks who don't enjoy learning new
>technologies. If you try to stand-still, I can assure you that your
>customers won't be and will just pass you by (as in bye-bye).



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Re: Upload files in Blackstone

2005-03-29 Thread Dave Carabetta
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:14:32 -0400, Jason Rogoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Has anyone found a way to upload files using a flash form?  I need to be able 
> to enter some user details and allow them to upload an image all at once.  I 
> don't really want to use a 2 step process if at all possible.
> 

This is a limitation of the Flash player itself (no direct file system
access), not the forms implementation, so no, you can't do it natively
in Flash at this point. However, a Google search will turn up some
links for some JavaScript-based workarounds people have come up with
(sorry, don't have the links handy).

Regards,
Dave.

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Re: plum missing mscoree.dll

2005-03-29 Thread Joe Rinehart
dre,

Do you have the Microsoft .NET framework installed?


On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:16:14 -0800, DRE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm checking out the plum ide and it doesnt load right. It gives an
> error saying it cant find the file mscoree.dll on the server.
> 
> if someone is using plum, can you forward me the dll.  Of if there is
> a known workaround, let me know.
> 
> Thanks.
> DRE
> 
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> 
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Re: Database Model Suggestions - Elections

2005-03-29 Thread Will Tomlinson
Why is everyone naming their tables singularly? 

:)

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Re: plum missing mscoree.dll

2005-03-29 Thread Howie Hamlin
You need to have the .NET Framework (1.1 or higher) installed or you will see 
this error.

HTH,

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--- On Tuesday, March 29, 2005 3:16 PM, DRE scribed: ---
>
> Hi,
> I'm checking out the plum ide and it doesnt load right. It gives an
> error saying it cant find the file mscoree.dll on the server.
> 
> if someone is using plum, can you forward me the dll.  Of if there is
> a known workaround, let me know.
> 
> Thanks.
> DRE

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Re: MAX 2005 [USA] City?

2005-03-29 Thread Cameron Childress
> And a lot of companies require 12 to 18 months advance notice for the budget
> request.  My old boss wanted hard numbers for the conference.  Giving a ball
> park estimate of airfare and hotel were never good enough.

Planning an event this big is alot of work, and the timing is often
dependant on product release dates and other variables that simply
aren't known that far in advance.

You can please all the people all the time. 

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Flash Form woes

2005-03-29 Thread Matt Osbun
We just installed Coldfusion 7 on one of our webservers, and I've just
started using the new form capabilities- specifically Flash format and
the  and  tags.  I've been copying example code
from various locations (CF docs, cfform.com, etc) and running them on
our server, and I've noticed that the forms do not act the same when the
code is run on our server.
 
Specifically:
 does not actually display the text.  For
instance, Pets: does
not display the text "Pets".
 
 is ignoring  tags.  When I tried to use Ron Pasch 's
Flash "Slush Box", the code  

Sue Hove
Simon Slooten
Ron Pasch

created a multi-select box, but did not populate the specified values.
 
And to top it off, the cursor on the form is always the Clock- as if
something else is trying to load, but can't.  Which is leading me to
believe that either something is misconfigured on the server, or just
plain not installed, but for the life of me, I can't figure out what.
 
What am I missing?  
 
 
 
Matt Osbun
Web Developer
Health Systems, International


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plum missing mscoree.dll

2005-03-29 Thread DRE
Hi,
I'm checking out the plum ide and it doesnt load right. It gives an
error saying it cant find the file mscoree.dll on the server.

if someone is using plum, can you forward me the dll.  Of if there is
a known workaround, let me know.

Thanks.
DRE

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Upload files in Blackstone

2005-03-29 Thread Jason Rogoz
Has anyone found a way to upload files using a flash form?  I need to be able 
to enter some user details and allow them to upload an image all at once.  I 
don't really want to use a 2 step process if at all possible.

Thanks

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RE: .html files in cfmx7

2005-03-29 Thread Burns, John D
Lol, just wanted to say that you made me laugh tony.  I needed that.
Today's been one of those days. 


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-Original Message-
From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 2:56 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: .html files in cfmx7

isnt that the beauty of individuality...

what if we all had blonde hair, blue eyes, a dashing demeanor and well,
the coding skills of the gods?

heck, we'd all be me :)

jk of course... but my point is... sometimes its cool to buck the norm.

tw


On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:37:24 -0500, Bryan F. Hogan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :-)!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Connie DeCinko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 2:24 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: .html files in cfmx7
> 
> Isn't all of this the point of having standards?  Could you imagine if

> everyone named their Word and Excel docs with all kinds of funky file 
> extensions?  You'd never know what was what.
> 
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RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?

2005-03-29 Thread Dave Watts
> Yeah and at last check, the latest version of the Flash 
> player for Pocket PC did not support the much needed data 
> connections.

I think it does, although I'm not sure. It is Flash Player 6, and has worked
with all the FP6-required stuff I've tried it with so far. 

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RE: .html files in cfmx7

2005-03-29 Thread Burns, John D
Yes, but if you're in complete control over the server and you're
handling the extensions that are on there, it's your call. It's just
like any other decision you make.  It could be nice and cute and the
customer could love it and it could come back to bite you in the butt
later, but that's your choice. I personally think that it's a nice
little touch to give a customer warm fuzzies. To each his own. 


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-Original Message-
From: Connie DeCinko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 2:24 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: .html files in cfmx7

Isn't all of this the point of having standards?  Could you imagine if
everyone named their Word and Excel docs with all kinds of funky file
extensions?  You'd never know what was what.
 

-Original Message-
From: Bryan F. Hogan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 11:20 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: .html files in cfmx7

You're not thinking far enough ahead. It depends on your situation. Here
is a real life scenario.

Boss comes to you without notice and says that he has a website that you
need to setup on the shared server. Now on this shared server the html
extensions are mapping through to CF. Now this new site surprisingly has
a hundred thousand legal documents written in HTML (remember this is a
inherited site) and this site gets lots of traffic.

What are you to do, go and change all of your current applications that
reference CF content in HTML files? Nope, you don't have time for that
and the boss says nope.

So what happens is that the entire server gets bogged down because CF is
processing files it shouldn't be.

Of course it all depends on your situation, but looking ahead will keep
scenarios like that from happening.

Another point is what happens if you have a failure on your CF server
and need to replicate it on a new machine quickly. Are you going to
remember all those funky extension mappings you setup?

Of course that depends on how well you have everything documented, but
really how many people actually do that?

Again, it depends on your situation, but keeping it simple is usually
the best route. :-)

-Original Message-
From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 1:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: .html files in cfmx7

Running html files through the server isn't a bad thing either,
necessarily. I agree that if you have a whole bunch of real html files
with no cfml in them, then it's just silly to run them through the app
server. However, I think a lot of people only have CFML files, but
choose to name them with the htm or html file extensions. This doesn't
cost anymore than naming them all with .cfm or .foo extensions.






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RE: .html files in cfmx7

2005-03-29 Thread Bryan F. Hogan
Ken I agree, you choose the simplest route to get the best results. You
misunderstood what I meant when I was saying referring to the simplest
method.

-Original Message-
From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 2:41 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: .html files in cfmx7

Sorry to keep this thread alive, but that last comment bothers me
tremendously and I just couldn't let it die. ...


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RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?

2005-03-29 Thread Dave Watts
> I wish MM would demo some Pocket PC flash apps.  I tried to 
> find something, anything showing that you can truly make a 
> data enabled Flash app for PPC.

There isn't really anything special or different about the process, except
that (a) the screen is typically smaller and (b) network connectivity tends
to be more intermittent.

You may find these URLs interesting (or not - they don't have any Flash
Remoting examples).

http://www.pocketpcflash.com/
http://www.flashenabled.com/

> Nothing existed a year ago, so I bought a copy of Studio.NET. 
>  Now, just have to have time to learn it.

I would strongly recommend this:

http://www.paulyao.com/cfbook/index.asp

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Re: IIS/CF Directory Security for images

2005-03-29 Thread Howie Hamlin
iAuth can do this.  The trick is to control the server content via an ISAPI 
DLL.  iAuth is the only ISAPI DLL that uses CF, CFMX or BlueDragon as its logic 
and control.  Basically, when a user requests an image the web server will 
query the authentication filter and the filter will either instruct IIS to 
serve the content or block the request in some way (with iAuth you can open a 
standard browser login on the broswer, redirect to a custom login or serve back 
alternate content).  So, in your case you can authenticate based on the referer 
or a cookie or session to make sure that the user is on your site before 
serving up the image.  In your iAuth template you can do something like:


result=auth_reject 
response="301 content moved" 
http://www.example.com/img.gif"";>"> 
location=http://www.example.com/img.gif 
 
result=auth_accept 
 

You can download iAuth from our web site - 
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--- On Tuesday, March 29, 2005 1:56 PM, Burns, John D scribed: ---
>
> Other than serving all images on a site up through a CF page using CF
> Content, what ways have people protected their images from being
> linked 
> from other sites using the web server (IIS in my case) or possibly
> some 
> sort of other CF solution.  I have seen stuff before from free hosting
> pages where if you try to put their images in your pages using  src="http://www.theirsite.com/someimage.jpg";> it will actually return
> an 
> image that says "linking to our images from another site is not
> allowed".  Any ideas for how people do that?
> 
> John Burns
> Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
> Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: dynamic pdf creation

2005-03-29 Thread Larry Lyons
>3 options off the top of my head:
>
>-HTML2PDF3 custom tagwrap around HTML to be printed and it creates a PDF 
>you can serve up via CFCONTENT
>

This isn't such an easy option - you need to have HTMLDoc on your server, and 
if you're in a shared hosting environment that can be a bit difficult. Second, 
HTMLDoc only supports HTML 3.2, no stylesheets etc., just lots and lots of 
 and other ugly code. 

CFMX 7 is a better solution. 

larry

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Re: .html files in cfmx7

2005-03-29 Thread Tony Weeg
isnt that the beauty of individuality...

what if we all had blonde hair, blue eyes, a dashing demeanor and well, 
the coding skills of the gods?

heck, we'd all be me :)

jk of course... but my point is... sometimes its cool to buck the norm.

tw


On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:37:24 -0500, Bryan F. Hogan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :-)!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Connie DeCinko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 2:24 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: .html files in cfmx7
> 
> Isn't all of this the point of having standards?  Could you imagine if
> everyone named their Word and Excel docs with all kinds of funky file
> extensions?  You'd never know what was what.
> 
> 

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cartweaver

2005-03-29 Thread Dave Lyons
I seem to recall that someone from CartWeaver is on this list. If so could you 
please contact me off-list as I have a client trying to purchase this and  all 
they are getting is errors. I have emailed in and called by haven't heard 
anything back.
Thanks

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RE: .html files in cfmx7

2005-03-29 Thread Ken Ferguson
Sorry to keep this thread alive, but that last comment bothers me
tremendously and I just couldn't let it die. 

I think you're 100% wrong. Keeping it simple is the easiest route. That
doesn't have anything at all to do with "best". Hell, sometimes it's the
simplest thing to run things on Windows, but that certainly doesn't make
it the "best" thing to do. The simplest thing to do is to paint all of
your customers' walls white, or at least one solid color, but that has
nothing to do with what's "best". I don't know where the idea came from
that the two concepts "simplest" and "best" are related. What is
simplest to do is just that, "simplest", that with the lowest level of
complication. What is best to do is that thing which will bring the most
value to any scenario in the end. The only way one thing is better than
another due to its simplicity is when you can do the exact same thing in
a simpler manner. In this case, that means that if there were two equal
ways to get alternate file extensions to work at the same level of
performance, then the simplest would end up being better.

If the simplest way to do things is the best, we'd all better go back to
text-only websites.

Now for the disclaimer: I actually do stay away from processing .htm or
..html files or any other known extensions in the app server just in case
I ever need to use them for a bunch of stuff like you point out.


-Original Message-
From: Bryan F. Hogan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 12:20 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: .html files in cfmx7

You're not thinking far enough ahead. It depends on your situation. Here
is
a real life scenario.

Boss comes to you without notice and says that he has a website that you
need to setup on the shared server. Now on this shared server the html
extensions are mapping through to CF. Now this new site surprisingly has
a
hundred thousand legal documents written in HTML (remember this is a
inherited site) and this site gets lots of traffic.

What are you to do, go and change all of your current applications that
reference CF content in HTML files? Nope, you don't have time for that
and
the boss says nope.

So what happens is that the entire server gets bogged down because CF is
processing files it shouldn't be.

Of course it all depends on your situation, but looking ahead will keep
scenarios like that from happening.

Another point is what happens if you have a failure on your CF server
and
need to replicate it on a new machine quickly. Are you going to remember
all
those funky extension mappings you setup?

Of course that depends on how well you have everything documented, but
really how many people actually do that?

Again, it depends on your situation, but keeping it simple is usually
the
best route. :-)

-Original Message-
From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 1:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: .html files in cfmx7

Running html files through the server isn't a bad thing either,
necessarily. I agree that if you have a whole bunch of real html files
with no cfml in them, then it's just silly to run them through the app
server. However, I think a lot of people only have CFML files, but
choose to name them with the htm or html file extensions. This doesn't
cost anymore than naming them all with .cfm or .foo extensions.




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Re: dynamic pdf creation

2005-03-29 Thread Joe Rinehart
ColdFusion MX 7 makes it a breeze.  Dunno if anyone had mentioned it yet...

-Joe


On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:10:35 -0400, daniel kessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Bryan the broken record says "try HTML2PDF3" ;-)
> 
> I am looking into it.  I've not used a custom tag before so I don't know much 
> about them.  I'm a bit intimidated, honestly, which is hard to say on a 
> programming list.
> 
> Just as a fyi, the url is:
> http://www.letsjam.com/downloads/html2pdf3.cfm
> 
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RE: dynamic pdf creation

2005-03-29 Thread Connie DeCinko
That's one of those settings I wish Microsoft would have turned on by
default.  I wonder if you can create a utility or reg file to flip that
switch.  Changing the default IE print margins would also be helpful.
 

-Original Message-
From: daniel kessler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 10:51 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: dynamic pdf creation

I turned it on in the browser and that worked, but that's me with my client
(PC IE) in hand. Others won't see that.  There's no way to do this
programmatically is there?  I have control over the site, but not the server
itself which is controlled by our webhosting and the main reason that we're
not CF7 yet.

>Why not just turn on background printing on the browser or is that
something
>you don't have control of for this site?
>
>Paul




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RE: Has anyone else applied this patch yet???

2005-03-29 Thread Paul Vernon
> I applied to Dev, QA, and Production servers, all without incident.
IIS5/W2K Servers

Thanks for the input... However our two environments differ enough to make
me think that you may not be affected by the issue I'm experiencing anyway

> I installed the JRun updater which included this patch on a dev box today,
no issues so far. Running a JRun cluster even too.

Again, this looks like our environments are sufficiently different for the
issue not to surface on your environment

Just as a FYI.

I've just applied the patch to a second server to make sure I wasn't going
totally mad and I got the same issues. Any page that has a cflocation in
fails to force the redirect and the client seems to either sit on the page
it was on or returns a 'Document contains no data' error...

Again I backed the patch out of the second server and everything comes back
to life again... 

Other than the fact that the first server was Windows 2003 Standard and the
second server was Windows 2003 Web Server, it's worth saying that these two
servers share and identical configuration and security policy etc. That is
to say all registry settings are the same, all IIS lockdown functions are
the same.. Everything. To all intents and purposes these boxes are identical
and therefore there must be something (a config setting) somewhere that is
causing this behaviour with the CFMX patch and IIS 6.

Needless to say, its annoying that I cannot apply this patch as the problems
it is causing for me are far bigger than the problems that it addresses
But I am affected by the issues that it solves so I would like to get to the
bottom of it...

If anyone has any suggestions then I'd love to hear them...

Paul



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RE: MAX 2005 [USA] City?

2005-03-29 Thread Connie DeCinko
And a lot of companies require 12 to 18 months advance notice for the budget
request.  My old boss wanted hard numbers for the conference.  Giving a ball
park estimate of airfare and hotel were never good enough.
 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 11:59 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MAX 2005 [USA] City?

Connie said:
> Makes it very hard to budget and plan without plenty of 
> advance notice.

For (at least some of) us federal government workers the timing of the
conference is a problem. When it falls in early Nov like it has recently it
is too soon in our fiscal year to shake loose the training and travel funds
... . .

George



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RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?

2005-03-29 Thread Connie DeCinko
Yeah and at last check, the latest version of the Flash player for Pocket PC
did not support the much needed data connections.
 

-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 11:01 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?

> Actually with Flash MX, you can read in the available stage size and 
> layout
> the contents accordingly. Also, its quite easy to detect the screen
> resolution in the latest version which makes this even easier.

That's all well and fine...but how many mobile devices support Flash MX 
created SWFs?  Aren't most mobile devices cut off around Flash 4 and/or 5?

just my 2 cents

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